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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2017, 09:24:12 PM »
I'm going to leave this here and say no white guy will specifically drive to the Nile feeding station to shoot elk in the daylight.

If a white guy poaches deer or elk on public land this time of year, he does it at night unlese it is in his own yard.

I don't disagree, it probably was tribal but we don't know for sure

not super smart but the Yak plates are kind of a clue but again i am not very bright :dunno:

Every year i make calls to lock gates so the animals cannot be molested when most stressed

never changes

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We all know what happens here. A bloodbath. Every year. You should put a decoy out and see if an Indian stops and takes a serious look at it.
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2017, 09:26:28 PM »
We need pics, otherwise itís all heresay. But I believe we all know whatís going on! 😡
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2017, 09:30:21 PM »
Any pics?
I do but they were taken by a young gal and her name is on the screen (screen shot).
I donít feel like processing them.
Quite frankly, why bother.  People say put it in the press.  Why?  Political pressure? Ya, I donít think so.  Send em to the WDFW. Iím sure they know.

U probably know better than most but--
You know her name could be edited out. If the blatant abuses of a dwindling resource are exposed as much as possible, maybe, just maybe, action will be taken to stop the inequity and changes will occur to bring all people to the same page in regards to resource management...

In this case, is huntings enemy(enviro/greenies) an adversary  that could help stop the native slaughters  :dunno:
probably blasphemous to even think but so goes the mind when in such dire straights

Would never happen, too hard a target! 

Too much money, too much political and legal protection, instead, they like going after soft targets they can split and get in-fighting going, you know...hunters!!

Much easier to get what they want that way...

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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2017, 09:32:05 PM »
Every year its the same. 


I used to advocate for feeding stations here, but HW changed my mind  :bash:        I'd loose my junk if I seen that here, on top of the wolves, a feeding station would just be a slaughter fest over here.
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2017, 11:37:22 AM »
Wish I lived closer, Iíd video whatís going on in the feed station.  If someone has pics and or video they should send it to the local news and donít mention natives, theyíll probably report it as poaching by white hunters.
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2017, 03:56:25 PM »
Should just open the whole state to whatever the native rights are. I thought people were about equality nowadays?  :dunno:

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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2017, 04:00:27 PM »
Should just open the whole state to whatever the native rights are. I thought people were about equality nowadays?  :dunno:

 :yeah:   I think that might be the only way to get the natives to work with us in the conservation of our state's deer and elk.

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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2017, 04:05:42 PM »
Should just open the whole state to whatever the native rights are. I thought people were about equality nowadays?  :dunno:

 :yeah:   I think that might be the only way to get the natives to work with us in the conservation of our state's deer and elk.
YES, Iíve been saying this for years!  Open it up state wide, same rules as the tribe has in those units, including fishing!  It will wipe out our herds and fish but will finnaly force the natives to the bargaining table!  Itís a great idea!!
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2017, 04:06:24 PM »
In the last native bashing thread I posted that we should turn management of fish and game to the tribes that have hunting rights in certain ceded areas, since we can't manage them let them manage us. 

We would buy a tribal hunting license for those tribal managed ceded areas and since the treaties say "in common with" then all the bag limits, all the rules, would be the same for us white folk and for Indian folk.   We would all be Indians in essence, in ceded areas. 



Of course to hunt on the reservation a person would still need a tribal ID card for that reservation.
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2017, 04:16:11 PM »
In the last native bashing thread I posted that we should turn management of fish and game to the tribes that have hunting rights in certain ceded areas, since we can't manage them let them manage us. 

We would buy a tribal hunting license for those tribal managed ceded areas and since the treaties say "in common with" then all the bag limits, all the rules, would be the same for us white folk and for Indian folk.   We would all be Indians in essence, in ceded areas. 



Of course to hunt on the reservation a person would still need a tribal ID card for that reservation.
The cases where it is already in play are actually quite a bit better than any of the shared areas.  A couple rivers on the westside and a bear hunting area.  The fishing areas have tons more fish, but they also get limited to the amount of people that can show up.  The bear hunting spot you can hunt over bait.

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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2017, 04:28:56 PM »
Should just open the whole state to whatever the native rights are. I thought people were about equality nowadays?  :dunno:

 :yeah:   I think that might be the only way to get the natives to work with us in the conservation of our state's deer and elk.

 :yeah: Equal Seasons, Equal Bag Limits! That's the most fair statement I think I have ever heard regarding how to deal with the current situation. All parties would have equal opportunity! All parties would have to come together to save the resources!
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2017, 05:45:40 PM »

"in common with"


Thatís the huge part missed in most of this

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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2017, 05:51:43 PM »

"in common with"


Thatís the huge part missed in most of this
In legal terms that part meant 50% of the resource when it was litigated. 

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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2017, 06:13:08 PM »
Should just open the whole state to whatever the native rights are. I thought people were about equality nowadays?  :dunno:

 :yeah:   I think that might be the only way to get the natives to work with us in the conservation of our state's deer and elk.

 :yeah: Equal Seasons, Equal Bag Limits! That's the most fair statement I think I have ever heard regarding how to deal with the current situation. All parties would have equal opportunity! All parties would have to come together to save the resources!
The biggest threat to the resources is not tribes, its the wdfw leadership and direction.
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2017, 10:34:12 PM »
There's an Indian stuck somewhere off of the 1701/1712 with one cow killed. I know I'm not going up those icy roads.

He's asking for help on a few Facebook pages :chuckle:
« Last Edit: December 31, 2017, 11:31:52 PM by Naches Sportsman »
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2017, 11:47:57 PM »
There's an Indian stuck somewhere off of the 1701/1712 with one cow killed. I know I'm not going up those icy roads.

He's asking for help on a few Facebook pages :chuckle:
That's too bad....

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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2017, 11:59:06 PM »

"in common with"


Thatís the huge part missed in most of this
In legal terms that part meant 50% of the resource when it was litigated.
thats your interpretation , did you get my lump of coal in your stocking?  In common with means exactly what it says, doesnít take a genius to figure that part out.  Now if I got to hunt under their rules, I might feel diferently, but I doubt it.
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #42 on: January 01, 2018, 12:00:44 AM »
I hope he gets help.

A difference of opinion is one thing;   his safety is a totally different matter. 
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2018, 12:06:24 AM »
I hope he gets help.

A difference of opinion is one thing;   his safety is a totally different matter.

Not worth putting other people in harm over a stupid decision to go on icy roads. Sounds like family members are going up to try to get him.
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2018, 09:24:50 AM »

"in common with"


Thatís the huge part missed in most of this
In legal terms that part meant 50% of the resource when it was litigated.
thats your interpretation , did you get my lump of coal in your stocking?  In common with means exactly what it says, doesnít take a genius to figure that part out.  Now if I got to hunt under their rules, I might feel diferently, but I doubt it.
Well, in this day and age you shouldn't be too surprised about interpretations.  Think about all the confusion caused by 'Shall not be infringed'.

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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #45 on: January 01, 2018, 10:39:59 AM »
I hope he gets help.

A difference of opinion is one thing;   his safety is a totally different matter.

Not worth putting other people in harm over a stupid decision to go on icy roads. Sounds like family members are going up to try to get him.

I saw your original unedited statement prior to 11:31pm, hoping the guy doesn't get rescued that no one goes up there for him, and I debated doing something about it but decided to let your comments speak for themselves. 

 
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #46 on: January 01, 2018, 10:50:28 AM »
If I was closer I would go help the guy. He was hunting a season that is open for him to hunt, he is no different than any other hunter going out when the season is open.  :dunno:
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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #47 on: January 01, 2018, 11:07:25 AM »

"in common with"


Thatís the huge part missed in most of this

 :tup:

Ive helped Yaks in the past get out cow elk in the Wenas so most of us aren't just bashing them for the sake of bashing.Its about our shared resources. That was almost 10 years ago. Now cow tags are down I think about 80 per cent up in 342 340 in 2017 and deer numbers are way down so am not so apt to help out. And more and more wolves are coming into the stressed Yakima herd

No problem helping someone stuck get out. That is an unwritten rule up in the mountains. No doubt naches would stop to help someone

I had some issues in the past when wdfw was allowing muckleshoots to hunt elk up in the Nile during late archery. It was a schit show. The mucks were jumping of trucks and shooting down in the canyons at groups of running elk and there were bow hunters  was one of them)  hunting down in those same canyons. The mucks knew this and were purposefully doing this endangering hunters. I was was one of them and heard bullets flying past me.I hiked out and called YSO to stop it. The mucks were just laughing.

so much for working together. I dont think the Yakamas would ever do this




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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #48 on: January 01, 2018, 11:42:08 AM »
I'm going to leave this here and say no white guy will specifically drive to the Nile feeding station to shoot elk in the daylight.

If a white guy poaches deer or elk on public land this time of year, he does it at night unless it is in his own yard.

You guys do know that it's not just white people that hunt public ground.

I'm white, but it makes this thread sound kind of ignorant when I keep reading about white people vs natives.

I don't know why you need to see pictures? We've all seen dead deer and elk and we all know that this goes on, the real unfortunate thing is that we live next to one of the greediest tribes in the state if not country and they do whatever they want whenever they want and don't give any thought to where the majority of the funding for these resources is coming from. The Yakamas have done a lot for the salmon and steelhead, but they are raping and pillaging our deer and elk herds without a second thought.

I know of a guy that was in a meeting with the Yakamas about the Muckleshoot tribe coming over the pass and hunting. In that meeting one of the Yakama elders told the whole meeting that the Yaks will have to shoot every deer and elk so that the Muckleshoots won't come over and hunt their ceded land. That kind of sums up the thought process that goes on over there. I'm not saying that all of them are like this, but the ones that are have branded natives with a horrible reputation in most of the outdoor communities

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Re: More blood and guts
« Reply #49 on: January 01, 2018, 12:04:59 PM »
I'm going to leave this here and say no white guy will specifically drive to the Nile feeding station to shoot elk in the daylight.

If a white guy poaches deer or elk on public land this time of year, he does it at night unless it is in his own yard.

You guys do know that it's not just white people that hunt public ground.

I'm white, but it makes this thread sound kind of ignorant when I keep reading about white people vs natives.

I don't know why you need to see pictures? We've all seen dead deer and elk and we all know that this goes on, the real unfortunate thing is that we live next to one of the greediest tribes in the state if not country and they do whatever they want whenever they want and don't give any thought to where the majority of the funding for these resources is coming from. The Yakamas have done a lot for the salmon and steelhead, but they are raping and pillaging our deer and elk herds without a second thought.

I know of a guy that was in a meeting with the Yakamas about the Muckleshoot tribe coming over the pass and hunting. In that meeting one of the Yakama elders told the whole meeting that the Yaks will have to shoot every deer and elk so that the Muckleshoots won't come over and hunt their ceded land. That kind of sums up the thought process that goes on over there. I'm not saying that all of them are like this, but the ones that are have branded natives with a horrible reputation in most of the outdoor communities
sounds like at least one of the elders has the same idea as a couple of us on here, open the season up to all, kill everything so they have to deal with us.  Interesting!  And a great idea!!
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