collapse
Guided Moose And Black Bear Hunts Bearpaw Outfitters, Quality Hunts for over 30 Years

Author Topic: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis  (Read 3395 times)

Offline opdinkslayer

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • *
  • Join Date: Feb 2008
  • Posts: 420
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2018, 11:31:57 AM »
Eliminate the use of livestock and any motorized vehicles and that will cut the interest in hunting & guiding there in half. There is far more to the health and survival of this amazing migratory deer herd than just hunting pressure tho. I don't disagree with alot of what Robb says but I also think his motives are self serving. Anybody thats been there and hunted falls in love with it's beauty and the resiliency of these deer. I think we all want what's best for the deer herd in the long run.  :twocents:

Offline ipkus

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2008
  • Posts: 313
  • Location: Tri-Cities
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2018, 12:29:34 PM »
By far the #1 problem with G and H is unlimited resident hunting.  Residents flock there from all over the state for the first two weeks of the season before returning to their home grounds Oct. 1.  Limit the currently unlimited or you are not going to solve the problem.

Secondly, I donít know this outfitter from Adam but honestly donít care what any outfitter in Wyoming has to say until they come out in opposition of the wilderness rule.  I am locked out of public ground solely because of a law pushed for and heavily supported by the outfitting industry.  If your way of living canít sustain itself without a government subsidy that also hurts other citizens, to hell with ya.

Offline meatwhack

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2011
  • Posts: 324
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2018, 12:43:43 PM »
if The goal is to increase the number of mature bucks then hunting pressure and success need to be reduced. Thereís several ways this could be accomplished.

Offline walleye1

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hunter
  • ***
  • Join Date: Jan 2009
  • Posts: 102
  • Location: moses lake
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2018, 04:09:04 PM »
Hopefully they accomplish something because that country is GODS gift to mule deer hunters.

Offline 2MANY

  • Political Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 1961
  • Location: Chehalis
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2018, 05:33:57 PM »
The unlimited resident hunting access is a joke for sure.

Offline Hot Lunch

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hunter
  • ***
  • Join Date: Aug 2008
  • Posts: 185
  • Location: Richland, Wa
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2018, 08:41:16 PM »
Wyoming has the most self serving entitled management of any western state. The only reason their management has worked for so long is the amount of acres they manage to the population of resident hunters. The times are catching up to them with their everything is Mary Poppins as long as your are a resident management scheme. 

Offline Bigshooter

  • Political Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Old Salt
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2007
  • Posts: 5632
  • Location: Lewis Co
  • High Wide And Heavy
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2018, 08:53:16 PM »
The only thing that's gonna help is a bunch of mild winters.
"Thou shalt not speak ill of any Republican."

Build the wall!!!!!!

"Borders, language, culture."

Offline Indian Summer

  • Business Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Pilgrim
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2018
  • Posts: 35
  • Location: Pa
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2018, 08:41:43 AM »
Ipkus is spot on. Non resident tags are already limited and take 5 or 6 years worth of points to draw. Meanwhile residents who have much more time to scout and hunt it can buy a tag every year. No doubt that is the area that needs changed if you want to see an impact right NOW.
Pass It On!

Offline Ghost Hunter

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 2773
  • Location: SW <-> NE
  • Groups: NRA Patron Life Member, RMEF Life, Sponser Member
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2018, 10:56:47 PM »
Careful what you wish for.  If I was a resident, I'd be upset if I wasnt able to get an annual deer and elk tag.  Take away the plus side and doesn't leave many taking care of the state.  Not many want that in WA but good for WY?   :rolleyes:  :dunno:  :peep:
Economy failure = Too many people spending money they don't have on things they don't need to impress people they don't like.

Offline Indian Summer

  • Business Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Pilgrim
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2018
  • Posts: 35
  • Location: Pa
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2018, 02:28:16 AM »
They can always get tags. Itís very common for residents to have to draw certain units. Montanaís Bitterroot is all draw for deer as is the Breaks for elk. Colorado is like that all over the place. Letís not forget who pays the bills. Non residents! Compare the costs of licenses and see how that stacks up. Fish and game departments would be bankrupt if they had to live on resident license money. Besides the bottom line is itís a management of a declining herd. Unlimited resident tags is definitely an issue. Like I said a non res hunter only hunts G one week every 6 years.
Pass It On!

Offline 2MANY

  • Political Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 1961
  • Location: Chehalis
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2018, 08:12:35 AM »
If their hard up for a spot that is.

Offline Branden

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • *
  • Join Date: Dec 2011
  • Posts: 359
  • Location: nodak
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2018, 09:57:16 AM »
If the post hunt buck doe ratio is over 30/100 then whatís the problem with unlimited resident hunters hunting bucks? If they are killing does thatís a different story. But I donít believe they are.

Also I see a few comments saying resident hunters need to be limited. Problem with that is then those hunters will go crowd another unit until that unit needs to be draw only and itís a domino affect. How many are for turning Washingtonís best general season units to draw only?

Again Robb is only looking out for his bottom line. If he wanted to help the herd he would push for opening day to be on October 1st. Or cut the season down to one week.

Offline Bwana Bob

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: May 2012
  • Posts: 322
  • Location: Bothell
  • Groups: NRA
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2018, 10:33:16 AM »
I hunted region F this past season, late Oct to Nov 6. I drew this tag as a second choice tag. I had some info on the area from a few hunters that had hunted it in the past but I wasn't ready for all the people and pressure. It rivaled opening weekend here in WA. I've hunted deer before in WY but mostly limited draw areas or other regions that did not have a close to the rut season. I had better hunts in those areas even if I didn't shoot a buck. Way less people and the ability to get away from them. The area biologist did warn me that F had a hard winter and some winter kill. I talked to two resident brothers that I met in the Sunlight basin and they said it was the lowest amount of deer and especially fawns they seen in the last 15 years of hunting there.

Its been talked about limiting the residents to only one region to hunt but its not my business as a non res to tell them whats good for them. WA has a lot bigger problem with its deer herd and to many hunters. One thing I noticed is all the small basket racked bucks many non residents shot. That can't help either but tough to fix. I would like to think reducing the amount of tags even further would help but from what side that should come from is hard to say. 

Would I hunt F again, probably not but you could kill a decent buck there if you got lucky.  Hoping to burn my 6 deer points there and hunt a limited draw area before I get too old.

Offline whacker1

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Dec 2008
  • Posts: 5538
  • Location: Spokane
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2018, 12:56:48 PM »
following along.  lots of discussion about winterkill, population in general, and hunting pressure.  if they limit tags to a quota, won't the same apply to non-resident tags at a percentage of said quota?  won't it take longer for Robb's returning customers to draw tags from out of state?

I would agree that the tools they have to work with are to utilize a resident draw quota and change season dates, as the most significant impactful solutions, but curious to see where this conversation goes if anywhere.


Offline dscubame

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: May 2010
  • Posts: 3471
  • Location: Spokane WA
  • 2013 Idaho Elk Hunt
Re: Western Wyoming Mule Deer in Crisis
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2018, 01:21:26 PM »
"The only strategy that is sustainable long term is a resident and nonresident draw, or a ďLimited Quota System.Ē In my opinion, we need to reduce harvest by a minimum of 50%, have mandatory harvest reports, keep our seasons at the traditional length (Sept 15th to October 14th) to spread hunters out, keep the 3 point or better regulation in order to save the young bucks, and develop an unlimited management tag for our youth. The youth tag could be for the many, 3-point mature bucks in the herd. These mature 3x3s and 2x3s are competing with the rest of the herd on the winter grounds and need to be harvested. Most of these big 3x3s and 2x3s are dying of old age. Our winter grounds are full of them. These bucks would keep our youth in the field as well as aid in the herdís winter ground survival. This strategy would require that a resident preference point system be developed for deer and elk."

I tend to agree with this part of the article and specifically some sort of resident preference point system.
It's a TIKKA thing..., you may not understand.

Eyes in the Woods.   ' '

 

* Recent Topics

Cows killed in eastern Washington by Mudman
[Today at 10:47:29 PM]


Upper S. Fork Tieton Archery Cow? by Mudman
[Today at 10:46:08 PM]


RIB-EYE THATS WHATS FOR DINNER. by bracer40
[Today at 10:26:50 PM]


WARNING: Uncle Mike's nylon holsters are TRASH!!! by Calvin Rayborn
[Today at 10:26:22 PM]


Wolves tree DNR worker in Okanogan county by bracer40
[Today at 10:24:05 PM]


Dog Crate by Happy Gilmore
[Today at 10:20:36 PM]


Chelan Wolverine by CAMPMEAT
[Today at 10:14:15 PM]


Suggestions for the new WDFW director Susewind by Dhoey07
[Today at 10:08:13 PM]


Looking for an Arima by Encore 280
[Today at 10:07:22 PM]


WDFW News Release by buglebrush
[Today at 10:06:05 PM]


WTS: Plano Trunk by getreal711
[Today at 10:01:46 PM]


Anyone hunting Blue Grouse with a Pointer? by bobcat
[Today at 09:52:15 PM]


2018 County Challenge! I'm closing in... by lokidog
[Today at 09:39:39 PM]


Wild boar in Iraq? by metlhead
[Today at 09:37:15 PM]


bighorn conversion question by Browndown
[Today at 09:36:40 PM]


S&W SD9 VE thoughts and/or experiences? by lokidog
[Today at 09:31:52 PM]


2018 upgrades by ctwiggs1
[Today at 09:16:16 PM]


Muzzy broadheads by SCRUBS
[Today at 08:56:25 PM]


338 375 ruger build by Reidus
[Today at 08:47:01 PM]


Predator Calling App Ultimate Predator Calls by JakeLand
[Today at 08:33:22 PM]