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Offline Skillet

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Re: Winter blackmouth
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2018, 12:22:06 PM »
Skillet, do you like grappa?

I definitely prefer his earlier work.   :chuckle:

There's lots of truth that rumor.  WDFW is trying to enter into a 10 year plan with the tribes and NOAA.  Under the plan, the impact to certain stocks of chinook will be reduced.  The reduction WDFW is agreeing to would result in basically no chinook fishing in many of the popular marine areas. 

What's better, WDFW didn't even model what the reduction would mean before they agreed.  Talk about incompetence!!!

This is not good.  How could they possibly agree to reductions in opportunity to their client base before they know if there will be any real benefit?   Unless sportsmen aren't their real client base...
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Re: Winter blackmouth
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2018, 12:24:16 PM »
Unless sportsmen aren't their real client base...

DING DING DING!   :bash:

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Re: Winter blackmouth
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2018, 12:36:48 PM »
If this happens in sekui or neah bay it could actually kill those towns!! I for one am probably going to never buy a Washington fishing license again!! it's pointless !!
my grandpa always said "if it aint broke dont fix it"

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Re: Winter blackmouth
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2018, 12:58:59 PM »
If this happens in sekui or neah bay it could actually kill those towns!! I for one am probably going to never buy a Washington fishing license again!! it's pointless !!

Yeah, CQ has been hurting from salmon and other fish reductions (like halibut).  Some of the guys I know from there don't know how the town is really going to make it long term.  And with less to do in the outdoors, means more getting into trouble indoors.  A few guys in the area used to be really into all the fishing/shellfishing and it pretty much kept them on a good path.  Once enough closures happened (winter steelhead I guess being the straw breaking the camel's back) they got into heroin and meth and all sorts of other trouble--now in prison.

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Re: Winter blackmouth
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2018, 01:59:06 PM »
Skillet, do you like grappa?

I definitely prefer his earlier work.   :chuckle:

There's lots of truth that rumor.  WDFW is trying to enter into a 10 year plan with the tribes and NOAA.  Under the plan, the impact to certain stocks of chinook will be reduced.  The reduction WDFW is agreeing to would result in basically no chinook fishing in many of the popular marine areas. 

What's better, WDFW didn't even model what the reduction would mean before they agreed.  Talk about incompetence!!!

This is not good.  How could they possibly agree to reductions in opportunity to their client base before they know if there will be any real benefit?   Unless sportsmen aren't their real client base...

Incompetence.  It gets worse.  The primary driver to the closure of areas 5-9 are Stillaguamish Chinook.  The closure will only save a handful of fish.  Worse, the habitat is the problem and the river can't really produce more fish.  It's already a mix of hatchery/wild fish that are being used to prop up the population.  Stopping fishing won't address the problem. 

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Re: Winter blackmouth
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2018, 02:48:44 PM »
Not surprising, and that mentality is not limited to WA.  The AK troll fleet got shut down right before the second king opener as an emergency conservation measure for the Taku and Chilkat rivers.  We left 31000+ treaty kings in the water to completely eliminate any chance of impacting the non-treaty kings from those rivers.

The net result of that draconian conservation measure?  An estimated 160 additional kings hit the gravel in those two rivers.  That's a helluva sacrifice to make for 160 fish.

The Canadians, upon hearing how many treaty kings AK was sacrificing to ensure escapement, quickly followed suit and also put their fleet on the beach...

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I crack myself up.  No, of course the Canadians didn't do that... They said "Thank you, dummies" and shifted a bunch of effort from inside waters  to outside waters to intercept this bonanza of fish we didn't take on their way south...

Why do I tell this story?
It will happen to the sport guys in Puget Sound, too.  Those Stilliguamish kings don't know boundaries, and I have no reason to believe they don't roam the entire Salish Sea at some point during their lives. I believe Canadian fisheries biology is years behind our own, and they seem to just react to whatever their neighbors are doing. So I anticipate the king fishing is going to be pretty darn good just north of the US / Canadian border for the next ten years... Courtesy of the Washington sport anglers.
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Re: Winter blackmouth
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2018, 02:56:19 PM »
It may end up cutting harvest to the north as well.  I know they are implementing a max exploitation rate.  It's obviously higher than the southern US rate but, in theory anyway, should also reduce harvest up north.  Perhaps AK and Canada should be up in arms over the deal brokered between the tribes, WA and NOAA?

 

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