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Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« on: January 23, 2018, 12:21:08 PM »
Is it me or did wdfw open up a bunch of new areas for the auction moose permit?
215, 218, 224, 233, 239...

Does this mean they will open up some new moose units this year?

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/bighorn_mountain_goat_moose_auction_raffle_herds_2018_wdfw.pdf
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2018, 12:24:12 PM »
I think at least some of them were open last year.
 :dunno: Can't recall to say for sure.


Negative...those are new this year.
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2018, 12:48:14 PM »
That would be nice :tup:
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2018, 12:56:57 PM »
I think at least some of them were open last year.
 :dunno: Can't recall to say for sure.


Negative...those are new this year.
They were open last year.  There was a harvest there.

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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2018, 01:08:38 PM »
Yeah...just re-read my message from a buddy. Was new as of last year.
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2018, 01:12:48 PM »
I don't see them listed as being open laat year.
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2018, 01:45:58 PM »
I don't see them listed as being open laat year.

They were only open for the auction tags
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2018, 09:15:31 PM »
Hopefully they start putting out permits for those areas. The moose in my avatar is from one of those units.

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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2018, 09:18:30 PM »
I think at least some of them were open last year.
 :dunno: Can't recall to say for sure.


Negative...those are new this year.
They were open last year.  There was a harvest there.

Any photo of the bull?
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2018, 09:37:59 AM »
Again, the rich hunter gets the privilege.  Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be  off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them.  In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose.   We called it the year of the moose.  Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer.  I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there.  Big for a shiras.  My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.
I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list.  Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2018, 09:46:37 AM »
Again, the rich hunter gets the privilege.  Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them.  In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose.   We called it the year of the moose.  Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer.  I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there.  Big for a shiras.  My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.
I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list.  Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.

 Some of the bidders/winners are not necessarily doing it because they are focused on getting the biggest bull/buck out there, but rather for the ability to be able to go hunt anytime, most anywhere they want.

 Can you imagine being able to take 2 days here, 3 days there, grab your gear and go......today to unit 101......maybe tomorrow 224.......maybe next week 117.

 There is more appeal to those tags than antler size for a lot of these guys. :twocents:
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2018, 09:52:14 AM »
Again, the rich hunter gets the privilege.  Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them.  In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose.   We called it the year of the moose.  Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer.  I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there.  Big for a shiras.  My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.
I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list.  Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.

 Some of the bidders/winners are not necessarily doing it because they are focused on getting the biggest bull/buck out there, but rather for the ability to be able to go hunt anytime, most anywhere they want.

 Can you imagine being able to take 2 days here, 3 days there, grab your gear and go......today to unit 101......maybe tomorrow 224.......maybe next week 117.

 There is more appeal to those tags than antler size for a lot of these guys. :twocents:

 :yeah: And just to be able to go hunt a moose in WA, many of us will never draw a tag in our lifetime.
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2018, 10:12:35 AM »
Again, the rich hunter gets the privilege.  Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them.  In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose.   We called it the year of the moose.  Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer.  I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there.  Big for a shiras.  My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.
I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list.  Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.

I know the guy who worked to get those units opened up. I will tell you with 100% certainty that it had nothing to do with money. Had everything to do with more hunter opportunity. The auction money goes to the species so the moose populations in WA will benefit from the money these auctions raise.
In terms of moose here vs. Canada or Alaska, I'm not sure what you heard was accurate either. That or the person saying it maybe wasn't too familiar with moose. You're talking about 2 different subspecies of moose. It's like saying you shouldn't hunt Coues whitetails because there are huge whitetail bucks in Iowa. If you want a big Shiras bull, Washington has some of the biggest Shiras bulls in the country. The mountain goat tag sold here for ~$25k. You can do a couple BC mountain goat hunts for that money and hunt the biggest goats in the world. These guys have more reasons than just killing giant animals when buying these tags.

 

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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2018, 10:15:38 AM »
So how exactly do moose benefit from the money raised?

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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2018, 10:48:08 AM »
So how exactly do moose benefit from the money raised?

Don't know and don't have the time to figure it out. Just mentioning what is stated here:
https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/faq.html
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2018, 10:59:34 AM »
I'd probably call this one example.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01699/wdfw01699.pdf

Another.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01859/wdfw01859.pdf

Another.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01950/wdfw01950.pdf

If I get some time later, I'll hit the googler again.
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2018, 11:01:48 AM »
These studies and projects aren't free. The equipment is expensive.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/dec/17/washington-wildlife-biologists-consider-using-dron/#/0
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2018, 11:36:03 AM »
I think it was shanevg in a blazed ridge mountain goat thread that the logic behind opening these units to harvest is that it takes a mature bull who may have a monopoly in breeding a small population. In theory it increases genetic diversity and thus herd health and long term viability.

I can get behind that thinking.

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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2018, 11:45:31 AM »
The year I was at the auction was 2004 and the tag went for $11,000, last year it went for $35,000.  The couple of mature bulls we saw in 2015....you would want their genetics in a herd.

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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2018, 12:10:45 PM »
He is very humble.  The bull could easily top the state record.  I doubt he will enter it.



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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2018, 12:52:49 PM »
I'd probably call this one example.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01699/wdfw01699.pdf

Another.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01859/wdfw01859.pdf

Another.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01950/wdfw01950.pdf

If I get some time later, I'll hit the googler again.
Are you saying these are funded by proceeds from the raffle and auction? Not swg? Other?  Twg?

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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2018, 01:01:08 PM »
I'd probably call this one example.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01699/wdfw01699.pdf

Another.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01859/wdfw01859.pdf

Another.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01950/wdfw01950.pdf

If I get some time later, I'll hit the googler again.
Are you saying these are funded by proceeds from the raffle and auction? Not swg? Other?  Twg?

No clue. I looked on the website for moose projects. I have no clue who or what funded them. I don't have time to go looking for specifics as I mentioned. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. I'd appreciate it. I don't even know what swg or twg are.

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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2018, 01:32:29 PM »
Again, the rich hunter gets the privilege.  Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them.  In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose.   We called it the year of the moose.  Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer.  I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there.  Big for a shiras.  My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.
I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list.  Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.

I know the guy who worked to get those units opened up. I will tell you with 100% certainty that it had nothing to do with money. Had everything to do with more hunter opportunity. The auction money goes to the species so the moose populations in WA will benefit from the money these auctions raise.
In terms of moose here vs. Canada or Alaska, I'm not sure what you heard was accurate either. That or the person saying it maybe wasn't too familiar with moose. You're talking about 2 different subspecies of moose. It's like saying you shouldn't hunt Coues whitetails because there are huge whitetail bucks in Iowa. If you want a big Shiras bull, Washington has some of the biggest Shiras bulls in the country. The mountain goat tag sold here for ~$25k. You can do a couple BC mountain goat hunts for that money and hunt the biggest goats in the world. These guys have more reasons than just killing giant animals when buying these tags.
Shouldn't it be troubling that the WDFW section manager is working with a forester from the other side of the state when the district bio (who I'm not a fan of)  has said there is a huntable population spread across his district for years? Special interest wins again and the average hunter gets screwed.  I hold zero ill will to the players but the game is fixed and rank and file hunters lose more opportunities.  This trend will continue.  Just like the deviation from the scientific sideboards simply to benefit the SALE of oil species. 

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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2018, 02:05:02 PM »
Again, the rich hunter gets the privilege.  Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them.  In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose.   We called it the year of the moose.  Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer.  I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there.  Big for a shiras.  My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.
I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list.  Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.

I know the guy who worked to get those units opened up. I will tell you with 100% certainty that it had nothing to do with money. Had everything to do with more hunter opportunity. The auction money goes to the species so the moose populations in WA will benefit from the money these auctions raise.
In terms of moose here vs. Canada or Alaska, I'm not sure what you heard was accurate either. That or the person saying it maybe wasn't too familiar with moose. You're talking about 2 different subspecies of moose. It's like saying you shouldn't hunt Coues whitetails because there are huge whitetail bucks in Iowa. If you want a big Shiras bull, Washington has some of the biggest Shiras bulls in the country. The mountain goat tag sold here for ~$25k. You can do a couple BC mountain goat hunts for that money and hunt the biggest goats in the world. These guys have more reasons than just killing giant animals when buying these tags.
Shouldn't it be troubling that the WDFW section manager is working with a forester from the other side of the state when the district bio (who I'm not a fan of)  has said there is a huntable population spread across his district for years? Special interest wins again and the average hunter gets screwed.  I hold zero ill will to the players but the game is fixed and rank and file hunters lose more opportunities.  This trend will continue.  Just like the deviation from the scientific sideboards simply to benefit the SALE of oil species.
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Re: Washington moose Gov tag 2018
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2018, 03:06:08 PM »
Again, the rich hunter gets the privilege.  Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them.  In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose.   We called it the year of the moose.  Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer.  I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there.  Big for a shiras.  My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.
I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list.  Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.

I know the guy who worked to get those units opened up. I will tell you with 100% certainty that it had nothing to do with money. Had everything to do with more hunter opportunity. The auction money goes to the species so the moose populations in WA will benefit from the money these auctions raise.
In terms of moose here vs. Canada or Alaska, I'm not sure what you heard was accurate either. That or the person saying it maybe wasn't too familiar with moose. You're talking about 2 different subspecies of moose. It's like saying you shouldn't hunt Coues whitetails because there are huge whitetail bucks in Iowa. If you want a big Shiras bull, Washington has some of the biggest Shiras bulls in the country. The mountain goat tag sold here for ~$25k. You can do a couple BC mountain goat hunts for that money and hunt the biggest goats in the world. These guys have more reasons than just killing giant animals when buying these tags.
Shouldn't it be troubling that the WDFW section manager is working with a forester from the other side of the state when the district bio (who I'm not a fan of)  has said there is a huntable population spread across his district for years? Special interest wins again and the average hunter gets screwed.  I hold zero ill will to the players but the game is fixed and rank and file hunters lose more opportunities.  This trend will continue.  Just like the deviation from the scientific sideboards simply to benefit the SALE of oil species.
The game is certainly fixed.

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Would you rather have more moose tags a few years from now and an auction tag now or just say screw it...no more tags at all? Shoot me straight...

:fire.:

" In today's instant gratification society, more and more pressure revolves around success and the measurement of one's prowess as a hunter by inches on a score chart or field photos produced on social media. Don't fall into the trap. Hunting is-and always will be- about the hunt, the adventure, the views, and time spent with close friends and family. " Ryan Hatfield

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