collapse

Author Topic: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism  (Read 445 times)

Online bearpaw

  • Family, Friends, Outdoors
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 28368
  • Location: Colville
  • "Rather Be Cougar Huntin"
    • http://www.facebook.com/DaleDenney
    • Bearpaw Outfitters
  • Groups: WFW, WSTA, WSB, WPHA, FWM, NRA, SCI, RMEF, NAHC, IOGA, MOGA, CCOC, BBB
Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups & quit losing opportunity!

http://trophymaps.com "Do-It-Yourself" Hunting Maps" 
http://bearpawoutfitters.com Guided, Semi-Guided, Unguided, and Drop Camp Hunts in Idaho, Montana, Utah, and Washington. Hunts with tags available (no draw) spring bear, fall bear, buffalo, cougar, elk, mule deer, turkey, whitetail, wolf!

Online bearpaw

  • Family, Friends, Outdoors
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 28368
  • Location: Colville
  • "Rather Be Cougar Huntin"
    • http://www.facebook.com/DaleDenney
    • Bearpaw Outfitters
  • Groups: WFW, WSTA, WSB, WPHA, FWM, NRA, SCI, RMEF, NAHC, IOGA, MOGA, CCOC, BBB
Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups & quit losing opportunity!

http://trophymaps.com "Do-It-Yourself" Hunting Maps" 
http://bearpawoutfitters.com Guided, Semi-Guided, Unguided, and Drop Camp Hunts in Idaho, Montana, Utah, and Washington. Hunts with tags available (no draw) spring bear, fall bear, buffalo, cougar, elk, mule deer, turkey, whitetail, wolf!

Offline bearhunter99

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+11)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 1854
  • Location: Monitor/Yakima
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2018, 07:22:45 AM »
Good read.  Thanks Bearpaw!
RIP Colockumelk   :salute:

"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." Winston Churchill



Genesis 27:3
Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me some venison

Offline greenhead_killer

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 683
  • Location: the burg
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2018, 03:00:12 PM »
Great article. Nice to see some transparency and know what direction they are wanting to take hunting/fishing/outdoors to.
IBEW 46

Offline elkchaser54

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hunter
  • ***
  • Join Date: Oct 2014
  • Posts: 129
  • Location: Walla Walla
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2018, 04:33:29 PM »
"Anti-Hunting Clinton agenda"........ Can't I spend one day without hearing some ridiculous conspiracy theory about the Clinton idiots. 

On another note, why does the Interior department care about "protecting our people and border"(#6) ... I think border security is in charge of that

"Create a conservation stewardship legacy, second only to Teddy Roosevelt" .... by getting rid of national monuments, I am pretty sure Teddy saved lands, not took them out of federal control like he has done so far.

Other then those two,  I truly do hope he can achieve something beneficial to this department that is vastly underserving its duties and its people and remove the Red Tape along the way. 


Online j_h_nimrod

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2011
  • Posts: 1083
  • Location: Humptulips, WA
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2018, 05:50:41 PM »
"Anti-Hunting Clinton agenda"........ Can't I spend one day without hearing some ridiculous conspiracy theory about the Clinton idiots. 

On another note, why does the Interior department care about "protecting our people and border"(#6) ... I think border security is in charge of that it is important because there are long sections of the border along DOI lands that are some of the most heavily utilized for illegally crossing the border

"Create a conservation stewardship legacy, second only to Teddy Roosevelt" .... by getting rid of national monuments, I am pretty sure Teddy saved lands, not took them out of federal control like he has done so far. I think you are referring to the Obama era monument delistings.  My take is that it was a well thought out move and removed arbitrary and politically motivated designations from areas not needing the added burden of a monument listing. Plus it was a way to get back at the previous administration for misusing the Antiquities Act

Other then those two,  I truly do hope he can achieve something beneficial to this department that is vastly underserving its duties and its people and remove the Red Tape along the way.

Offline bigtex

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Old Salt
  • *
  • Join Date: Dec 2009
  • Posts: 8162
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2018, 09:07:20 AM »
I'm not entirely sold on Zinke. While he has done things to improve hunting/fishing access, he also has had some slimeball incidents.

The article Dale posted mentioned Zinke opened 10 National Wildlife Refuges to expanded hunting/fishing access. Well...the USFWS opens new refuges to expanded access every year. In fact the process to open those refuges started before Trump was even elected. Kind of hard for me to go along with that was a Zinke win.

Zinke just appointed a retired National Parks Service Superintendent to be the Acting Director of the NPS. This same individual was the ring leader in the most widely known corruption/coverup incidents in the NPS with the involvement of Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder. In fact there's even a book on the coverup, Worth Fighting For (A Park Rangers Unexpected Battle Against Federal Bureaucrats and Washington Redskins Owner Dan Snyder) by Robert Danno.

Zinke was just slammed for touring National Monuments via helicopter and charging the travel costs to wildland fire incidents, even though there weren't any fires close to the areas. Zinke chalked it up as an accident. Those of us government employees who travel know you quadruple check the accounts you charge you travel to. Apparently Zinke's office doesn't.

Zinke was the cause of an investigation for travel issues regarding taking money from oil companies.

Quite honestly, as a hunter in WA there isn't much that Zinke has done that has actually impacted us. Just lots of reviews, committees, and commissions.  :twocents:

Offline olyguy79

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hunter
  • *
  • Join Date: Dec 2016
  • Posts: 174
  • Location: Thurston
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2018, 09:14:15 AM »
I'm not entirely sold on Zinke. While he has done things to improve hunting/fishing access, he also has had some slimeball incidents.

The article Dale posted mentioned Zinke opened 10 National Wildlife Refuges to expanded hunting/fishing access. Well...the USFWS opens new refuges to expanded access every year. In fact the process to open those refuges started before Trump was even elected. Kind of hard for me to go along with that was a Zinke win.

Zinke just appointed a retired National Parks Service Superintendent to be the Acting Director of the NPS. This same individual was the ring leader in the most widely known corruption/coverup incidents in the NPS with the involvement of Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder. In fact there's even a book on the coverup, Worth Fighting For (A Park Rangers Unexpected Battle Against Federal Bureaucrats and Washington Redskins Owner Dan Snyder) by Robert Danno.

Zinke was just slammed for touring National Monuments via helicopter and charging the travel costs to wildland fire incidents, even though there weren't any fires close to the areas. Zinke chalked it up as an accident. Those of us government employees who travel know you quadruple check the accounts you charge you travel to. Apparently Zinke's office doesn't.

Zinke was the cause of an investigation for travel issues regarding taking money from oil companies.

Quite honestly, as a hunter in WA there isn't much that Zinke has done that has actually impacted us. Just lots of reviews, committees, and commissions.  :twocents:
:yeah:

While it is nice to see a hunter/angler in the position. We haven't seen much more then "we need to" "we should study" "I want to.." out of him.

Offline Hovel Downs

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Pilgrim
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2017
  • Posts: 6
  • Groups: NRA
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2018, 09:15:30 AM »
Getting rid of National Monuments doesn't take them out of Federal control.  They are still public lands managed by the US Forest Service or BLM, but I'm sure you know that.

Online bearpaw

  • Family, Friends, Outdoors
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 28368
  • Location: Colville
  • "Rather Be Cougar Huntin"
    • http://www.facebook.com/DaleDenney
    • Bearpaw Outfitters
  • Groups: WFW, WSTA, WSB, WPHA, FWM, NRA, SCI, RMEF, NAHC, IOGA, MOGA, CCOC, BBB
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2018, 09:22:36 AM »
"Anti-Hunting Clinton agenda"........ Can't I spend one day without hearing some ridiculous conspiracy theory about the Clinton idiots. 

On another note, why does the Interior department care about "protecting our people and border"(#6) ... I think border security is in charge of that it is important because there are long sections of the border along DOI lands that are some of the most heavily utilized for illegally crossing the border

"Create a conservation stewardship legacy, second only to Teddy Roosevelt" .... by getting rid of national monuments, I am pretty sure Teddy saved lands, not took them out of federal control like he has done so far. I think you are referring to the Obama era monument delistings.  My take is that it was a well thought out move and removed arbitrary and politically motivated designations from areas not needing the added burden of a monument listing. Plus it was a way to get back at the previous administration for misusing the Antiquities Act

Other then those two,  I truly do hope he can achieve something beneficial to this department that is vastly underserving its duties and its people and remove the Red Tape along the way.

Scaling down the Obama monuments is a big deal to local people. There were already huge chunks of Utah that were off-limits to multiple use. Reducing the size of the monuments made them more acceptable to local people.

I'm not entirely sold on Zinke. While he has done things to improve hunting/fishing access, he also has had some slimeball incidents.

The article Dale posted mentioned Zinke opened 10 National Wildlife Refuges to expanded hunting/fishing access. Well...the USFWS opens new refuges to expanded access every year. In fact the process to open those refuges started before Trump was even elected. Kind of hard for me to go along with that was a Zinke win.

Zinke just appointed a retired National Parks Service Superintendent to be the Acting Director of the NPS. This same individual was the ring leader in the most widely known corruption/coverup incidents in the NPS with the involvement of Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder. In fact there's even a book on the coverup, Worth Fighting For (A Park Rangers Unexpected Battle Against Federal Bureaucrats and Washington Redskins Owner Dan Snyder) by Robert Danno.

Zinke was just slammed for touring National Monuments via helicopter and charging the travel costs to wildland fire incidents, even though there weren't any fires close to the areas. Zinke chalked it up as an accident. Those of us government employees who travel know you quadruple check the accounts you charge you travel to. Apparently Zinke's office doesn't.

Zinke was the cause of an investigation for travel issues regarding taking money from oil companies.

Quite honestly, as a hunter in WA there isn't much that Zinke has done that has actually impacted us. Just lots of reviews, committees, and commissions.  :twocents:

I think it's a really good thing to see Zinke making sure hunting will be a continuing activity on DOI lands. I look for more good to come!
Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups & quit losing opportunity!

http://trophymaps.com "Do-It-Yourself" Hunting Maps" 
http://bearpawoutfitters.com Guided, Semi-Guided, Unguided, and Drop Camp Hunts in Idaho, Montana, Utah, and Washington. Hunts with tags available (no draw) spring bear, fall bear, buffalo, cougar, elk, mule deer, turkey, whitetail, wolf!

Offline bigtex

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Old Salt
  • *
  • Join Date: Dec 2009
  • Posts: 8162
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2018, 09:22:52 AM »
Getting rid of National Monuments doesn't take them out of Federal control.  They are still public lands managed by the US Forest Service or BLM, but I'm sure you know that.
Not sure if this was directed at me but I didn't say anything about monuments other than his travel.

But since you mentioned it lets look at it. Zinke's recommendation (which Trump followed) was to reduce/reconfigure 2 large monuments into 5 smaller ones. But in reality that just makes more beaurocracy. Instead of 2 management managers you'll now have 5. In reality, Trump/Zinke could've just redrawn the monument boundaries and eliminated the areas they wanted to and return it to "regular" feds lands. But it was obvious by eliminating them, and then creating 5 more in the same area that they just wanted to eliminate the Clinton and Obama designations from the area. And hey, now Trump can say in his first year he designated 5 national monuments!

Offline bigtex

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Old Salt
  • *
  • Join Date: Dec 2009
  • Posts: 8162
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2018, 09:24:20 AM »
I'm not entirely sold on Zinke. While he has done things to improve hunting/fishing access, he also has had some slimeball incidents.

The article Dale posted mentioned Zinke opened 10 National Wildlife Refuges to expanded hunting/fishing access. Well...the USFWS opens new refuges to expanded access every year. In fact the process to open those refuges started before Trump was even elected. Kind of hard for me to go along with that was a Zinke win.

Zinke just appointed a retired National Parks Service Superintendent to be the Acting Director of the NPS. This same individual was the ring leader in the most widely known corruption/coverup incidents in the NPS with the involvement of Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder. In fact there's even a book on the coverup, Worth Fighting For (A Park Rangers Unexpected Battle Against Federal Bureaucrats and Washington Redskins Owner Dan Snyder) by Robert Danno.

Zinke was just slammed for touring National Monuments via helicopter and charging the travel costs to wildland fire incidents, even though there weren't any fires close to the areas. Zinke chalked it up as an accident. Those of us government employees who travel know you quadruple check the accounts you charge you travel to. Apparently Zinke's office doesn't.

Zinke was the cause of an investigation for travel issues regarding taking money from oil companies.

Quite honestly, as a hunter in WA there isn't much that Zinke has done that has actually impacted us. Just lots of reviews, committees, and commissions.  :twocents:
I think it's a really good thing to see Zinke making sure hunting will be a continuing activity on DOI lands. I look for more good to come!
I don't remember a threat of it going away??

Heck, Obama created monuments under DOI that allowed hunting.

Offline olyguy79

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hunter
  • *
  • Join Date: Dec 2016
  • Posts: 174
  • Location: Thurston
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2018, 09:26:31 AM »
Getting rid of National Monuments doesn't take them out of Federal control.  They are still public lands managed by the US Forest Service or BLM, but I'm sure you know that.
Not sure if this was directed at me but I didn't say anything about monuments other than his travel.

But since you mentioned it lets look at it. Zinke's recommendation (which Trump followed) was to reduce/reconfigure 2 large monuments into 5 smaller ones. But in reality that just makes more beaurocracy. Instead of 2 management managers you'll now have 5. In reality, Trump/Zinke could've just redrawn the monument boundaries and eliminated the areas they wanted to and return it to "regular" feds lands. But it was obvious by eliminating them, and then creating 5 more in the same area that they just wanted to eliminate the Clinton and Obama designations from the area. And hey, now Trump can say in his first year he designated 5 national monuments!
:yeah:
Exactly. But that's politics

Online bearpaw

  • Family, Friends, Outdoors
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 28368
  • Location: Colville
  • "Rather Be Cougar Huntin"
    • http://www.facebook.com/DaleDenney
    • Bearpaw Outfitters
  • Groups: WFW, WSTA, WSB, WPHA, FWM, NRA, SCI, RMEF, NAHC, IOGA, MOGA, CCOC, BBB
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2018, 09:29:00 AM »
I'm not entirely sold on Zinke. While he has done things to improve hunting/fishing access, he also has had some slimeball incidents.

The article Dale posted mentioned Zinke opened 10 National Wildlife Refuges to expanded hunting/fishing access. Well...the USFWS opens new refuges to expanded access every year. In fact the process to open those refuges started before Trump was even elected. Kind of hard for me to go along with that was a Zinke win.

Zinke just appointed a retired National Parks Service Superintendent to be the Acting Director of the NPS. This same individual was the ring leader in the most widely known corruption/coverup incidents in the NPS with the involvement of Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder. In fact there's even a book on the coverup, Worth Fighting For (A Park Rangers Unexpected Battle Against Federal Bureaucrats and Washington Redskins Owner Dan Snyder) by Robert Danno.

Zinke was just slammed for touring National Monuments via helicopter and charging the travel costs to wildland fire incidents, even though there weren't any fires close to the areas. Zinke chalked it up as an accident. Those of us government employees who travel know you quadruple check the accounts you charge you travel to. Apparently Zinke's office doesn't.

Zinke was the cause of an investigation for travel issues regarding taking money from oil companies.

Quite honestly, as a hunter in WA there isn't much that Zinke has done that has actually impacted us. Just lots of reviews, committees, and commissions.  :twocents:
I think it's a really good thing to see Zinke making sure hunting will be a continuing activity on DOI lands. I look for more good to come!
I don't remember a threat of it going away??

Heck, Obama created monuments under DOI that allowed hunting.

I doubt if Hillary would have appointed an Interior Secretary who made hunting one of their top issues for DOI lands. The choice was Hillary or Trump, I'm more than happy the way it turned out.
Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups & quit losing opportunity!

http://trophymaps.com "Do-It-Yourself" Hunting Maps" 
http://bearpawoutfitters.com Guided, Semi-Guided, Unguided, and Drop Camp Hunts in Idaho, Montana, Utah, and Washington. Hunts with tags available (no draw) spring bear, fall bear, buffalo, cougar, elk, mule deer, turkey, whitetail, wolf!

Offline Hovel Downs

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Pilgrim
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2017
  • Posts: 6
  • Groups: NRA
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2018, 09:46:19 AM »
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/22/521089304/congress-rolls-back-obama-era-rule-on-hunting-bears-and-wolves-in-alaska

By a largely party-line vote Tuesday, the Senate approved a bill that repeals Obama-era hunting restrictions on national wildlife refuges in Alaska. The House already voted last month to abolish those restrictions which were instituted by the Fish and Wildlife Service in 2016 to protect predator species from hunters and so the bill now heads to the desk of President Trump, who is widely expected to sign it.

Offline Hovel Downs

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Pilgrim
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2017
  • Posts: 6
  • Groups: NRA
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2018, 10:17:47 AM »
Quote
Heck, Obama created monuments under DOI that allowed hunting.
That is a disingenuous statement.  First of all hunting was allowed on all of the Federal lands  before the creation of the monuments. What you failed to say was that Monuments were created that ended hunting
www.outdoornewsservice.com/single-post/2017/01/01/National-Park-Service-decides-to-ban-hunting-in-Castle-Mountains-Monument
  Hunting is now banned in the new 30,000-acre Castle Mountains National Monument, according to the National Park Service, which will be managing the new monument. The monument was created early in 2016 by President Barack Obama via proclamation.

https://www.nps.gov/moja/planyourvisit/upload/MOJA-Hunting-August-2016.pdf   No hunting or
trapping is permitted inside Castle Mountains National Monument.

Offline Hovel Downs

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Pilgrim
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2017
  • Posts: 6
  • Groups: NRA
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2018, 10:21:22 AM »
BTW That Obama era rule was overturned by Zinke and Trump administration

Offline bigtex

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Old Salt
  • *
  • Join Date: Dec 2009
  • Posts: 8162
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2018, 10:22:38 AM »
Quote
Heck, Obama created monuments under DOI that allowed hunting.
That is a disingenuous statement.  First of all hunting was allowed on all of the Federal lands  before the creation of the monuments. What you failed to say was that Monuments were created that ended hunting
www.outdoornewsservice.com/single-post/2017/01/01/National-Park-Service-decides-to-ban-hunting-in-Castle-Mountains-Monument
  Hunting is now banned in the new 30,000-acre Castle Mountains National Monument, according to the National Park Service, which will be managing the new monument. The monument was created early in 2016 by President Barack Obama via proclamation.

https://www.nps.gov/moja/planyourvisit/upload/MOJA-Hunting-August-2016.pdf   No hunting or
trapping is permitted inside Castle Mountains National Monument.
I'll admit I did not know that about Castle Mountains. I was under the impression since they were operating under Mojave National Preserve they would allow hunting.

Most NPS monuments do not allow hunting. National Monuments under BLM/USFS/USFWS do allow hunting. If you look at the past 30 years of presidential monuments those that go to the NPS are mainly small, historical sites, some even in cities. Those that go to BLM/USFS/USFWS are larger (huntable)

Offline olyguy79

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hunter
  • *
  • Join Date: Dec 2016
  • Posts: 174
  • Location: Thurston
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2018, 10:27:06 AM »
Quote
Heck, Obama created monuments under DOI that allowed hunting.
That is a disingenuous statement.  First of all hunting was allowed on all of the Federal lands  before the creation of the monuments. What you failed to say was that Monuments were created that ended hunting
www.outdoornewsservice.com/single-post/2017/01/01/National-Park-Service-decides-to-ban-hunting-in-Castle-Mountains-Monument
  Hunting is now banned in the new 30,000-acre Castle Mountains National Monument, according to the National Park Service, which will be managing the new monument. The monument was created early in 2016 by President Barack Obama via proclamation.

https://www.nps.gov/moja/planyourvisit/upload/MOJA-Hunting-August-2016.pdf   No hunting or
trapping is permitted inside Castle Mountains National Monument.
Castle Mtns is under the NPS which of course most areas are closed to hunting.

What about Katadhin Woods & Waters Monument in Maine which Obama created? It was a donation to the feds where the previous owner was actually slowly limiting access in general, now it is open to access and hunt in most areas.

Offline Hovel Downs

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Pilgrim
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2017
  • Posts: 6
  • Groups: NRA
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2018, 10:29:29 AM »
Sorry for the confusion,
Quote
Not sure if this was directed at me but I didn't say anything about monuments other than his travel.
this
Quote
Getting rid of National Monuments doesn't take them out of Federal control.  They are still public lands managed by the US Forest Service or BLM, but I'm sure you know that.
referred to this erroneous statement
Quote
"Create a conservation stewardship legacy, second only to Teddy Roosevelt" .... by getting rid of national monuments, I am pretty sure Teddy saved lands, not took them out of federal control like he has done so far.

Offline Hovel Downs

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Pilgrim
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2017
  • Posts: 6
  • Groups: NRA
Re: SCI Washington Report - Zinke Changes Incite Criticism
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2018, 10:38:24 AM »
Quote
What about Katadhin Woods & Waters Monument in Maine which Obama created? It was a donation to the feds where the previous owner was actually slowly limiting access in general, now it is open to access and hunt in most areas.

I believe you answered your own question there.  It wasn't a change in Federal land-land status.  This thread isn't about land donated to the Federal Government.

Quote
Castle Mtns is under the NPS which of course most areas are closed to hunting.
The difference is Castle Mt is BLM land that allowed hunting (and does again now)administered by the Park Service.  It is not Park Service land.  Key distinction.  Only Congress can change the land status, monuments are a layer of management