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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #150 on: February 21, 2018, 10:26:36 AM »
I just hope bowhunters are ready to find these unicorns! 🦄




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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #151 on: February 21, 2018, 10:39:34 AM »
That's where your wrong. I have been to meetings where there are groups like the horsemen that have a great turn out and wanted certain trails built. You make your inputs on a map and sure enough the trails that were scheduled to be built were the ones they wanted due to their input. Hunters are all over the board and thus nothing gets done unless an effort is made.
that's where i'm wrong?I'm not wrong the horse groups work together always have.They work for what they want and they push the ideas they want..snowmobiler's,jeeper's build a lot of bridges and work on a lot of trails in this state.They use spokesman,they have meetings before these hearings,we hunters don't.
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #152 on: February 21, 2018, 10:52:45 AM »
Sorry, 225, not 250. But still a big step up.
You must be seeing something I'm not.  IN the over 20 years I've been in the Hunters area I've seen a steady decline in the whitetail numbers.  We used to winter 200-250 around my house and now see maybe 40-50.  Mule deer numbers continue to climb, but still not huge numbers.  Not sure how we go from recently having a 4point antler restriction to bring the numbers back and now think we need to give out 225 doe tags.

I agree with you, I'm not seeing an over abundance of deer, this would be a smarter move after we recover a little more from the last big population decline only two years ago.
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #153 on: February 21, 2018, 12:05:43 PM »
Well I am sure with the current deer and elk population the WDFW is hoping us hunters get used to the fact there is little wildlife. That way if there is even a sudden change in population they will throw one of their makes them look good statistics out. As their population proposals are so low that the only way is up. Hoping to train us like a dog and pony show. :twocents:

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #154 on: February 21, 2018, 04:35:50 PM »
Well I am sure with the current deer and elk population the WDFW is hoping us hunters get used to the fact there is little wildlife. That way if there is even a sudden change in population they will throw one of their makes them look good statistics out. As their population proposals are so low that the only way is up. Hoping to train us like a dog and pony show. :twocents:

I have to credit them for reducing doe harvest after the dieoff, but it was after local residents made a big deal about it, now back to selling tags...
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #155 on: March 06, 2018, 12:28:14 PM »
To Bearpaw and Baldopepper...
I agree that the whitetail numbers are down in our area... Hunters area especially. But I think if you were to spread those 225 doe tags out across 121, and estimate maybe 70% get used (~158) then we really are not talking about many deer across the whole GMU. Considering the numbers of bucks being harvested has increased drastically over the past 2 years (avg. 1975/yr) vs the past 5 year average (1447/yr).
I have noticed in the Hunters area and have also heard from others in the Cedonia/Harvey Creek areas that the buck numbers are down big time, and not just from hunting. With the buck to doe ratio so out of whack, these bucks are forced to breed with way more does then they should have to. If a few people who would typically shoot a buck, get a doe with one of these permits, that would greatly reduce the stress on our mature bucks and allow them to winter a lot better. Around my house, I am seeing 50-60 does throughout the winter/spring months, whereas throughout the past two years, I have only witnessed (via trailcams and binos) 2-3 bucks that are over 2 years old. That is a terrible ratio of roughly 20/1.

Needless to say I am fighting an endless battle with Coyotes right now as well that just killed a fawn buck behind the house, so thats not helping either. :bash:

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #156 on: April 20, 2018, 08:37:14 PM »
This sums up the GMU's that will be off limits for night hunting bobcat, yes you can hunt yotes.  Evidently one dude shot a lynx at night so this is the big red panic button rule.




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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #157 on: April 21, 2018, 12:24:27 AM »
To Bearpaw and Baldopepper...
I agree that the whitetail numbers are down in our area... Hunters area especially. But I think if you were to spread those 225 doe tags out across 121, and estimate maybe 70% get used (~158) then we really are not talking about many deer across the whole GMU. Considering the numbers of bucks being harvested has increased drastically over the past 2 years (avg. 1975/yr) vs the past 5 year average (1447/yr).
I have noticed in the Hunters area and have also heard from others in the Cedonia/Harvey Creek areas that the buck numbers are down big time, and not just from hunting. With the buck to doe ratio so out of whack, these bucks are forced to breed with way more does then they should have to. If a few people who would typically shoot a buck, get a doe with one of these permits, that would greatly reduce the stress on our mature bucks and allow them to winter a lot better. Around my house, I am seeing 50-60 does throughout the winter/spring months, whereas throughout the past two years, I have only witnessed (via trailcams and binos) 2-3 bucks that are over 2 years old. That is a terrible ratio of roughly 20/1.

Needless to say I am fighting an endless battle with Coyotes right now as well that just killed a fawn buck behind the house, so thats not helping either. :bash:

I would love to talk more if you want to shoot me a message. I always welcome great wildlife talk and conversations especially from fellow locals.

The reason the buck kill was lower the previous 5 years is because we had the 4 point rule, we built up the buck population, WDFW removed the rule and now the buck population is again being over harvested and we lost everything we had gained!  :bash:

I give up on WDFW, all they want is tag sales and don't care about the game, I'm simply going to shoot deer when seasons are open, my giveadam is busted!
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #158 on: April 21, 2018, 06:30:54 AM »
my giveadam is busted!
Amen.
At least they displayed our public comments for people to read online...

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #159 on: April 26, 2018, 05:51:00 AM »
I heard a lot of talk out there about people being upset with the proposals but didn't step up to the plate and make a comment. Exactly why we are in the situation we are in.

 How do you know? You assume that WDFW make decisions based on our email suggestions?
Its quite easy you look at the before and after proposals and read the suggestions made.

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #160 on: April 26, 2018, 06:09:23 AM »
I heard a lot of talk out there about people being upset with the proposals but didn't step up to the plate and make a comment. Exactly why we are in the situation we are in.

 How do you know? You assume that WDFW make decisions based on our email suggestions?
Its quite easy you look at the before and after proposals and read the suggestions made.

 :yeah:

What is even sadder is how many proposals over the years have been made buy hunters and then excepted by the commission.  A few years  later the hunter are blaming WDFW for the change.

 

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