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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2018, 08:19:47 AM »
They moved up the late season on Cougar to Dec 15 instead of Jan 1.

Their stupid quotas were being exceeded (ya duh, too many cats morons) so by moving up the late season to dec 15 they have more control as late season can be ended at any time. 

Furthermore they moved up the sealing requirements to 72 hours instead of 5 days, just so they can close the season more timely. 


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I hope everyone is chiming in on these rule changes, I recommend opposing the cougar ones, both sealing requirements and moving the late season up by 15 days.

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2018, 08:20:50 AM »
Any increase in those permits is too much. It should be slashed. :twocents:

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2018, 08:28:23 AM »
They moved up the late season on Cougar to Dec 15 instead of Jan 1.

Their stupid quotas were being exceeded (ya duh, too many cats morons) so by moving up the late season to dec 15 they have more control as late season can be ended at any time. 

Furthermore they moved up the sealing requirements to 72 hours instead of 5 days, just so they can close the season more timely. 


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I hope everyone is chiming in on these rule changes, I recommend opposing the cougar ones, both sealing requirements and moving the late season up by 15 days.
I already commented opposed to the season date change, but I donít see the big deal going from 5 days to 3 for the sealing requirements. Are guys really just letting a cougar sit for 5 days before they do anything with it?
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2018, 08:38:05 AM »
During late season with one cougar left to go before the quota is met.... yes, I'd wait put it off long as I could so I didn't screw a cougar hunter out of their hunt, as what happened to me this year.  I took time off to hunt solid 4 days and they ended the season on me 1 day into my 4 day hunt. 

Moving it up a couple days puts a little more bind on everyone involved with the sealing requirements too, 3 days goes quick, especially if you're breaking down a camp and driving home.


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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2018, 08:44:35 AM »
They moved up the late season on Cougar to Dec 15 instead of Jan 1.

Their stupid quotas were being exceeded (ya duh, too many cats morons) so by moving up the late season to dec 15 they have more control as late season can be ended at any time. 

Furthermore they moved up the sealing requirements to 72 hours instead of 5 days, just so they can close the season more timely. 


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I hope everyone is chiming in on these rule changes, I recommend opposing the cougar ones, both sealing requirements and moving the late season up by 15 days.
I already commented opposed to the season date change, but I don’t see the big deal going from 5 days to 3 for the sealing requirements. Are guys really just letting a cougar sit for 5 days before they do anything with it?
I think 72 hours is unreasonable. If they didn't have their ridiculous quotas they wouldn't need to get people in to seal so quickly.
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2018, 08:46:57 AM »
Many cats are taken during deer and elk season just by luck.  Guys don't want to stop hunting to run in and get a cougar sealed.  72 hours seems too short.  Idaho you have 10 days.
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2018, 08:47:31 AM »
They aren't concerned with biological samples with this rule change (look at the new the trapping sealing requirements) there's no rush on biological samples.....

They only want to burden us with a 72 hr rule so they can close the season in a more timely manner.

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2018, 08:55:40 AM »
Many cats are taken during deer and elk season just by luck.  Guys don't want to stop hunting to run in and get a cougar sealed.  72 hours seems too short.  Idaho you have 10 days.
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #58 on: January 25, 2018, 08:59:52 AM »
The Methow late permits... the only increase I see is Alta, from 10 to 15. Not really a significant increase, is it? Or am I missing something?

 Have you read any of the recent (last couple years) "Methow" threads?

 Any increase is significant, when most agree they should be reduced. :twocents:
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2018, 09:00:14 AM »
Any increase in those permits is too much. It should be slashed. :twocents:

I agree.  I just sent in my comments to add also that the general deer season in the Methow should go back to 9 days.
What are they smoking thinking of adding more Alta permits  :bdid:
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2018, 09:02:29 AM »
The Methow late permits... the only increase I see is Alta, from 10 to 15. Not really a significant increase, is it? Or am I missing something?

 Have you read any of the recent (last couple years) "Methow" threads?

 Any increase is significant, when most agree they should be reduced. :twocents:

I agree, but I just didn't see it as much of an increase. When I send my comments in I will be asking them to eliminate the general season. That's really what needs to happen. That's where the majority of the harvest occurs.

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2018, 09:03:21 AM »
The Methow late permits... the only increase I see is Alta, from 10 to 15. Not really a significant increase, is it? Or am I missing something?

 Have you read any of the recent (last couple years) "Methow" threads?

 Any increase is significant, when most agree they should be reduced. :twocents:

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2018, 09:04:59 AM »
Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....


This will be our 12th season out of state.  Need to just move there as well. :IBCOOL:



I've been taking my kids to Montana the last 5 years, we kill at least one elk and a couple of deer every year.  I kept buying my stuff in WA because we hunt with a great group of guys and I enjoy my time in the woods.  Maybe I will just go camping from now on.  I put my comments in, told them I will spend my money out of state.  Of course, after last years licensing increase fiasco where the director tried to hide all the negative comments from the leg committee I doubt my comments see the light of day.

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2018, 09:15:36 AM »
Any increase in those permits is too much. It should be slashed. :twocents:

I agree.  I just sent in my comments to add also that the general deer season in the Methow should go back to 9 days.
What are they smoking thinking of adding more Alta permits  :bdid:

 I disagree with shortening the season. Since this last season set of adding the extra two week days, I've seen very very few hunters on those last two days in Methow. Come Sunday there is a constant caravan of rigs heading out of town and down the highway going home. Those last two week days are doing nothing to the numbers IMO.
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #64 on: January 25, 2018, 09:22:52 AM »
The Methow late permits... the only increase I see is Alta, from 10 to 15. Not really a significant increase, is it? Or am I missing something?

 Have you read any of the recent (last couple years) "Methow" threads?

 Any increase is significant, when most agree they should be reduced. :twocents:

I agree, but I just didn't see it as much of an increase. When I send my comments in I will be asking them to eliminate the general season. That's really what needs to happen. That's where the majority of the harvest occurs.

Any increase in those permits is too much. It should be slashed. :twocents:

I agree.  I just sent in my comments to add also that the general deer season in the Methow should go back to 9 days.
What are they smoking thinking of adding more Alta permits  :bdid:

 I disagree with shortening the season. Since this last season set of adding the extra two week days, I've seen very very few hunters on those last two days in Methow. Come Sunday there is a constant caravan of rigs heading out of town and down the highway going home. Those last two week days are doing nothing to the numbers IMO.

 The general season is short enough and targets the "local" deer for the most part, not the migrators. Shortening the general season puts added pressure on the local deer, not less. Concentrating more people hunting less days means less escapement for the deer that are there. Again, those added two days are not the problem, we need to cut the targeting of those migratory bucks back. I'd be happy with half the permits in those units for the next several years......then look at adding a couple here and there. :twocents:
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #65 on: January 25, 2018, 09:52:36 AM »
I see a total of 80 buck permits for the Methow units. Then, looking at harvest data for 2016, I count a total of 919 bucks killed during general seasons. It seems to me they could keep the 80 permits and do away with the general season and that should have a much more significant impact than cutting permit numbers in half. You're talking about a reduction of only 40 permits, while eliminating the general season would reduce harvest by 900 bucks.

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #66 on: January 25, 2018, 09:57:11 AM »
I see a total of 80 buck permits for the Methow units. Then, looking at harvest data for 2016, I count a total of 919 bucks killed during general seasons. It seems to me they could keep the 80 permits and do away with the general season and that should have a much more significant impact than cutting permit numbers in half. You're talking about a reduction of only 40 permits, while eliminating the general season would reduce harvest by 900 bucks.

 Pretty sly. ;) .......but then I happen to know you are a advocate for permit only hunting.
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #67 on: January 25, 2018, 10:01:56 AM »
I see a total of 80 buck permits for the Methow units. Then, looking at harvest data for 2016, I count a total of 919 bucks killed during general seasons. It seems to me they could keep the 80 permits and do away with the general season and that should have a much more significant impact than cutting permit numbers in half. You're talking about a reduction of only 40 permits, while eliminating the general season would reduce harvest by 900 bucks.

 Pretty sly. ;) .......but then I happen to know you are a advocate for permit only hunting.

Yes, permit only, limited quotas, pick east or west, or ANY kind of management other than what we have now, which is NONE. Unlimited number of deer tags with no control as to where people hunt.

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #68 on: January 25, 2018, 10:03:57 AM »
These proposals are a crockpot of *censored* stew.  Taking away anger less opportunity in Yakima from archers but still providing for rifle and muzzleloader?  Bumping, Nile and Rimrock added to Little Naches ghost town.  You have to take it all away or nothing.  This is absurd.  Also how can you give out over 245 bull tags for bumping (all combined) but only 30 cow tags?  This some sort of new QDMA for elk?


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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #69 on: January 25, 2018, 10:08:23 AM »
As far as deer hunting changes ,i told them to keep seasons the same and add antler point restrictions to reduce harvest,the putting so many hunters in a shortened season was not quality hunting , and loseing opportunities.
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« Reply #70 on: January 25, 2018, 10:10:53 AM »
I see a total of 80 buck permits for the Methow units. Then, looking at harvest data for 2016, I count a total of 919 bucks killed during general seasons. It seems to me they could keep the 80 permits and do away with the general season and that should have a much more significant impact than cutting permit numbers in half. You're talking about a reduction of only 40 permits, while eliminating the general season would reduce harvest by 900 bucks.

 Pretty sly. ;) .......but then I happen to know you are a advocate for permit only hunting.

Yes, permit only, limited quotas, pick east or west, or ANY kind of management other than what we have now, which is NONE. Unlimited number of deer tags with no control as to where people hunt.

 I hear ya, but until then the general should stay the way it is and a reduction in permits would be the healthiest alternative for the herd.

 Which group of bucks would you prefer do the majority of the breeding, the young local bucks that stick around town their entire lives or the migrators?
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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #72 on: January 25, 2018, 10:20:43 AM »
I see a total of 80 buck permits for the Methow units. Then, looking at harvest data for 2016, I count a total of 919 bucks killed during general seasons. It seems to me they could keep the 80 permits and do away with the general season and that should have a much more significant impact than cutting permit numbers in half. You're talking about a reduction of only 40 permits, while eliminating the general season would reduce harvest by 900 bucks.

 Pretty sly. ;) .......but then I happen to know you are a advocate for permit only hunting.

Yes, permit only, limited quotas, pick east or west, or ANY kind of management other than what we have now, which is NONE. Unlimited number of deer tags with no control as to where people hunt.

 I hear ya, but until then the general should stay the way it is and a reduction in permits would be the healthiest alternative for the herd.

 Which group of bucks would you prefer do the majority of the breeding, the young local bucks that stick around town their entire lives or the migrators?

I'm pretty sure the 900+ bucks taken during general season aren't ALL local "town" bucks.

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Re: 2018-2020 Hunting Proposals Out for Comment
« Reply #73 on: January 25, 2018, 10:57:03 AM »
I see a total of 80 buck permits for the Methow units. Then, looking at harvest data for 2016, I count a total of 919 bucks killed during general seasons. It seems to me they could keep the 80 permits and do away with the general season and that should have a much more significant impact than cutting permit numbers in half. You're talking about a reduction of only 40 permits, while eliminating the general season would reduce harvest by 900 bucks.

 Pretty sly. ;) .......but then I happen to know you are a advocate for permit only hunting.

Yes, permit only, limited quotas, pick east or west, or ANY kind of management other than what we have now, which is NONE. Unlimited number of deer tags with no control as to where people hunt.

 I hear ya, but until then the general should stay the way it is and a reduction in permits would be the healthiest alternative for the herd.

 Which group of bucks would you prefer do the majority of the breeding, the young local bucks that stick around town their entire lives or the migrators?

I'm pretty sure the 900+ bucks taken during general season aren't ALL local "town" bucks.

 True, but I can assure the vast majority of the bucks taken during the permit hunts are not "local" bucks either.

 So which would you prefer?
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« Reply #74 on: January 25, 2018, 12:01:39 PM »
I would prefer proper predator management.  Bear, cougar and wolf populations are all way too high.  Expand bear seasons, make spring bear OTC, allow cougar hunting year round and start a wolf season.


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