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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #150 on: January 26, 2018, 11:06:23 PM »
You non-believers should read what KF posted for Special T. Then you might understand something you don't.
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #151 on: January 26, 2018, 11:20:47 PM »
So is Bundy's point that the US can't own any land in a state? Or just that the US can't own land in quantities or areas that are inconvenient to him and other ranchers?  I just don't understand why these people that hate the United States so much continue to live here...I would love to put Bundy and Colin Kaepernick on the same direct flight out of here...both are so unpatriotic and disrespectful towards this country.

Anyways, its such a stupid claim it has zero chance of going anywhere. 
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #152 on: January 26, 2018, 11:36:47 PM »
They don't hate the United States or the corrupt Government. They want the Corrupt Government to follow the Constitution, that's what they stand for. This is what people don't understand. They got fed up and stood up.
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #153 on: January 26, 2018, 11:44:08 PM »
Thank you, :yeah:.  This USA has always belonged to the PEOPLE.  Not to the elite or Gov.  Seems pretty clear to me.  Someday we may have to remind them of that...  Certainly it doesn't belong to Russias Putin Uranium co.  The Const was pretty clear on this before liberal Case Law became the new Const written by the Judges. :twocents:
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #154 on: January 27, 2018, 08:07:47 AM »
Read the article... The Feds were just supposed to hold the lands in trust while Nevada was becoming a state. There was a supreme court decision on it.

I love this country because it embraces the rule of law, property rights, and freedom. Moving us closer to the original intent in not UnAmerican.

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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #155 on: January 27, 2018, 09:12:15 AM »
When you quote a WND.com article you lose all credibility in a discussion.  This is by far the worst "news" source online.  "The shocking news about Jesus' imminent return" is an article they are running right now.  Hate and Fear mongering is all that website does.  Nothing factual comes from them, just rumors and lies .

And the previous article from newswithviews.com , that doesn't sound biased at all.   They are running an article called "Feminism, Americas second greatest threat.... behind illegal immigration" 
« Last Edit: January 27, 2018, 09:17:40 AM by elkchaser54 »

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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #156 on: January 27, 2018, 10:40:55 AM »
This one better?

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/bundy-blm/recently-freed-rancher-cliven-bundy-sues-nevada-clark-county/



WND just happened to come out with it first, the relevant part is that a new case has been filed.  geesh

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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #157 on: January 27, 2018, 11:39:40 PM »
The Bundy’s are grasping at straws at this point.

This guy, however, seems to have a pretty legit case!

https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2015/aug/31/who-really-has-rights-nevada-land/
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #158 on: January 28, 2018, 12:53:41 AM »
The Bundy’s are grasping at straws at this point.

This guy, however, seems to have a pretty legit case!

https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2015/aug/31/who-really-has-rights-nevada-land/

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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #159 on: January 28, 2018, 07:42:09 AM »
The Bundy’s are grasping at straws at this point.

This guy, however, seems to have a pretty legit case!

https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2015/aug/31/who-really-has-rights-nevada-land/

Wow, an illegal immigrant drug dealer....... Politics does make strange bedfellows.

Would have deported for drug running if he was illegal. The US let a lot of Cubans in during the 80’s seeking asylum. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift

Not saying he’s an angel. Ever made bad decisions when you were younger? It shouldn’t matter, if he had paid his dues he should be able to buy property and not have the government divert a stream that runs across his land.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2018, 10:50:08 AM by jmscon »
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #160 on: January 28, 2018, 04:54:50 PM »
The Bundy’s are grasping at straws at this point.

This guy, however, seems to have a pretty legit case!

https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2015/aug/31/who-really-has-rights-nevada-land/

Wow, an illegal immigrant drug dealer....... Politics does make strange bedfellows.

Would have deported for drug running if he was illegal. The US let a lot of Cubans in during the 80’s seeking asylum. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift

Not saying he’s an angel. Ever made bad decisions when you were younger? It shouldn’t matter, if he had paid his dues he should be able to buy property and not have the government divert a stream that runs across his land.

OK so just to get this straight, it's ok to smuggle yourself across the border in some situations? Why does a Cuban drug runner deserve asylum over a Mexican farm worker who keeps his nose clean?
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #161 on: January 28, 2018, 05:01:50 PM »
The Bundy’s are grasping at straws at this point.

This guy, however, seems to have a pretty legit case!

https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2015/aug/31/who-really-has-rights-nevada-land/

Wow, an illegal immigrant drug dealer....... Politics does make strange bedfellows.

Would have deported for drug running if he was illegal. The US let a lot of Cubans in during the 80’s seeking asylum. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift

Not saying he’s an angel. Ever made bad decisions when you were younger? It shouldn’t matter, if he had paid his dues he should be able to buy property and not have the government divert a stream that runs across his land.

OK so just to get this straight, it's ok to smuggle yourself across the border in some situations? Why does a Cuban drug runner deserve asylum over a Mexican farm worker who keeps his nose clean?
People from Cuba and North Korea (and I think there is another place) get to stay once they get here due to laws regarding escaping communist regimes.

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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #162 on: January 28, 2018, 07:23:16 PM »
The Bundy’s are grasping at straws at this point.

This guy, however, seems to have a pretty legit case!

https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2015/aug/31/who-really-has-rights-nevada-land/

Wow, an illegal immigrant drug dealer....... Politics does make strange bedfellows.

Would have deported for drug running if he was illegal. The US let a lot of Cubans in during the 80’s seeking asylum. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift

Not saying he’s an angel. Ever made bad decisions when you were younger? It shouldn’t matter, if he had paid his dues he should be able to buy property and not have the government divert a stream that runs across his land.

OK so just to get this straight, it's ok to smuggle yourself across the border in some situations? Why does a Cuban drug runner deserve asylum over a Mexican farm worker who keeps his nose clean?

I feel an asylum seeker should get a little more benefit of the doubt.
My interpretation of the rules are open to interpretation.
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #163 on: January 28, 2018, 08:07:26 PM »
The preacher can have water delivered or pack himself. The Bundy story is totally different.
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #164 on: January 28, 2018, 09:42:16 PM »
I read the article about the Cuban preacher, it looks as if that stream was diverted before by cattle ranchers, so I wonder where the original stream bed is   :dunno:


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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #165 on: January 28, 2018, 11:04:13 PM »
I read the article about the Cuban preacher, it looks as if that stream was diverted before by cattle ranchers, so I wonder where the original stream bed is   :dunno:

That's not how I read it.  This "On his side of the berm, a sloping wash lined with the husks of withered plants is carved into the dusty terrain.

On the other is the federal government, which says it needed to divert the water to protect a fragile ecosystem home to 26 endangered species, including the 3-inch-long Ash Meadows speckled dace, a grayish-green fish found only here, in a network of spring-fed creeks surrounded by the Mojave Desert."

And this.... "In court filings, Fish & Wildlife has asserted a prior claim on the water. The agency’s 2009 conservation plan included a diversion of the stream, as well as several others. Refuge managers eventually rerouted a dozen waterways."

I read this as the Federal government diverted the water.
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #166 on: January 29, 2018, 09:00:31 AM »
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When Fuentes and his wife, Annette, arrived in 2006, water from the nearby Longstreet Spring filled the now dry arroyo, winding through a corner of their property before feeding into a downstream reservoir left over from the ranching of previous decades.

It's not clear to me where the water went prior to ranching, I could just see this used against the Cuban dude.

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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #167 on: February 09, 2018, 07:52:41 PM »
Wayne Hage and the sagebrush rebellion.  Another heavy handed action by the feds that was finally resolved when the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the 9th circuit courts appeal.
In may of 2013 US district judge Robert Clive Jones issued a 104 page opinion detailing what he called the federal governments vindictive actions against the ranching family.
Over alleged cattle trespass , grazing and water rights.
The 9th circuit, the fed agents ,prosecutors and agency supervisors after years of litigation fell flat on their face.
Ranchers in the western U.S. are well aware of this case and the taking of 100+ head of cattle by the feds. And the heavy handed way it was handled.
Just to clarify that the Bundy's were
 not the 1st in our modern time to have to argue the facts with the government for the ability to continue a way of life. Whether you agree or not
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #168 on: February 09, 2018, 08:19:27 PM »
Wayne Hage and the sagebrush rebellion.  Another heavy handed action by the feds that was finally resolved when the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the 9th circuit courts appeal.
In may of 2013 US district judge Robert Clive Jones issued a 104 page opinion detailing what he called the federal governments vindictive actions against the ranching family.
Over alleged cattle trespass , grazing and water rights.
The 9th circuit, the fed agents ,prosecutors and agency supervisors after years of litigation fell flat on their face.
Ranchers in the western U.S. are well aware of this case and the taking of 100+ head of cattle by the feds. And the heavy handed way it was handled.
Just to clarify that the Bundy's were
 not the 1st in our modern time to have to argue the facts with the government for the ability to continue a way of life. Whether you agree or not
The government employees are not always right.

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You do realize this means SCOTUS agreed with the Feds and not the Hage's.....

The District Court Judge agreed with Hage, the Ninth Circuit overruled the District Court Judge, Hage appealed to SCOTUS which declined to take the case (essentially meaning they agree with the Ninth Circuit)

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/us-supreme-court-closes-book-on-wayne-hage-sagebrush-rebellion-court-case/

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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #169 on: February 09, 2018, 08:38:59 PM »
However the point was in fact the years of litigation involved, and the tactics used..
Not to mention the cattle were seized in 1991.
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #170 on: February 09, 2018, 09:20:02 PM »
And no mention of the 4.2 million+17 years of interest awarded to the Hage family in 2008 by a federal claims judge.
Did they get it :dunno:,
So there was a lot of division within the fedeal judiciary,  through the decades this case was ongoing.
Money not well spent.
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Re: The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails
« Reply #171 on: February 10, 2018, 08:19:35 AM »

You do realize this means SCOTUS agreed with the Feds and not the Hage's.....

The District Court Judge agreed with Hage, the Ninth Circuit overruled the District Court Judge, Hage appealed to SCOTUS which declined to take the case (essentially meaning they agree with the Ninth Circuit)

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/us-supreme-court-closes-book-on-wayne-hage-sagebrush-rebellion-court-case/

Not necessarily true. The high court limits itself to about 80 cases a year out of 10,000 cases presented to it. The reasons they take cases are many and varied. Agreeing or disagreeing with a particular case is not high on the list of reasons.  For starters, that would mean they had their minds made up before hearing a case. And  a bunch of law clerks have more to do with deciding which cases will be heard than the justices do. The clerks research cases that are presented and make recommendations and the justices make the final decisions based sometimes on personal whims.

http://litigation.findlaw.com/legal-system/how-does-the-u-s-supreme-court-decide-whether-to-hear-a-case.html
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