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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2018, 01:34:52 PM »
I don't have much faith in them doing and changes to their proposals. I just think they are going thru the motions or WAC code. But I might be wrong.

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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2018, 02:25:01 PM »
Just submitted my comments.

Believe me they do get heard.  The commission specifically asks about the public input.  The WDFW employee that is speaking on each rule says, "we got this much feed back in favor of this rule and this much feedback opposing this rule"  The commission then asks if there were any proposed solutions and alternatives.  The employee then says what if any of those solutions or suggestions were.
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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2018, 06:24:49 PM »
Anyone have a link for the public comments? :hello:

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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2018, 10:01:22 PM »
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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2018, 07:24:32 PM »
Got my oppose submitted for this rule change. I hope WSB is putting something together for this. I know they got 356 re opened for us the last time they took are cows away.

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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #80 on: February 10, 2018, 09:31:33 PM »
Agreed but it took 3 years last time.  We had to sit out 2010 and 2011.  2012 was a whopping 50 cow tags.  It wasnít until 2013 that we got cows back and I guess only for 5 years.


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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #81 on: February 10, 2018, 10:39:22 PM »
Last time they curtailed the cow season to build the herd back up because they said to many cows were being taken by archers they were able to open up 346 to give us opportunity. This time we arenít fairing very well. The numbers are definetly down in the Nile in the areas I have been hunting, canít really speak for the bumping unit. But we havenít taken any more cows in the past 5 seasons as a group than we did before. The only thing that changed was the WDFW giving out cow tags to other user groups...

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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2018, 12:03:34 AM »
#metoo!  :puke:

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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #83 on: February 12, 2018, 09:06:08 PM »
Last time they curtailed the cow season to build the herd back up because they said to many cows were being taken by archers they were able to open up 346 to give us opportunity. This time we arenít fairing very well. The numbers are definetly down in the Nile in the areas I have been hunting, canít really speak for the bumping unit. But we havenít taken any more cows in the past 5 seasons as a group than we did before. The only thing that changed was the WDFW giving out cow tags to other user groups...
346 has been closed for cows since 2012.

In the late season the cows have enough room they can skirt the Nile unit. They smarten up.


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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #84 on: February 12, 2018, 09:41:37 PM »
Last time they curtailed the cow season to build the herd back up because they said to many cows were being taken by archers they were able to open up 346 to give us opportunity. This time we arenít fairing very well. The numbers are definetly down in the Nile in the areas I have been hunting, canít really speak for the bumping unit. But we havenít taken any more cows in the past 5 seasons as a group than we did before. The only thing that changed was the WDFW giving out cow tags to other user groups...
346 has been closed for cows since 2012.

its been closed to elk hunting since then unless you have a big bull tag

In the late season the cows have enough room they can skirt the Nile unit. They smarten up.

the late season in the Nile is a zoo and your only hunting local elk anyways, 346 is a waste of time to hunt during the late since the majority of the ek have moved out of the unit


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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #85 on: February 13, 2018, 03:06:33 PM »
Yep.  Why would the elk travel through 352?  They donít anymore.  The orange lined units are closed in late season.  They can go straight from bumping to Bethell and into Cowiche if they choose with only Native American hunters to dodge.




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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #86 on: February 13, 2018, 05:36:59 PM »
Whether we want to admit it or not overall population of the Yakima pmu is down significantly over the last couple years. We are still allowed late season so I don't see anything wrong with the 3-year cycle of letting the herb build back up. I also believe that should be Universal across the board and not just early archery as I think that's a pretty small Band-Aid for pretty big wound. This is coming from a guy who loves early archery season and despises having to hunt late archery. Backpacking in the sunshine and calling in Elk is the best thing ever and I'll still be doing it but I'll be looking for spikes.
show me the increases for us muzzleloaders in ride units?

So, you're for the substantial increase in cow tags for the muzzleloader and rifle guys? Your opinion is those new tags will tag out less cows than the OTC archery cow tag and build the herd back up?

Please don't take those as negatives just genuine guestions for me to gain more knowledge.

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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #87 on: February 13, 2018, 06:14:52 PM »
Whether we want to admit it or not overall population of the Yakima pmu is down significantly over the last couple years. We are still allowed late season so I don't see anything wrong with the 3-year cycle of letting the herb build back up. I also believe that should be Universal across the board and not just early archery as I think that's a pretty small Band-Aid for pretty big wound. This is coming from a guy who loves early archery season and despises having to hunt late archery. Backpacking in the sunshine and calling in Elk is the best thing ever and I'll still be doing it but I'll be looking for spikes.
show me the increases for us muzzleloaders in ride units?

So, you're for the substantial increase in cow tags for the muzzleloader and rifle guys? Your opinion is those new tags will tag out less cows than the OTC archery cow tag and build the herd back up?

Please don't take those as negatives just genuine guestions for me to gain more knowledge.

Jesus, keep reading all the responses. I already said I said a mistake and misspoke. I didn't delete the comments because the flow of the thread had already taken shape. I corrected and said the cow permits are still the same number but at least you have the option to hunt cows.
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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #88 on: February 13, 2018, 06:17:38 PM »
Muzzleloaders and rifle guys.
Are you going to support the change and be for the elimination of all cow tags and no permit cow tags for archery guys or are you going to support the bow hunters and reject the elimination of all cow tags?
Will hunters stick together or divide farther?
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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #89 on: February 13, 2018, 06:20:10 PM »
I find it hard to believe that the elk from the bumping are migrating to the cowiche.
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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #90 on: February 13, 2018, 06:21:44 PM »
Whether we want to admit it or not overall population of the Yakima pmu is down significantly over the last couple years. We are still allowed late season so I don't see anything wrong with the 3-year cycle of letting the herb build back up. I also believe that should be Universal across the board and not just early archery as I think that's a pretty small Band-Aid for pretty big wound. This is coming from a guy who loves early archery season and despises having to hunt late archery. Backpacking in the sunshine and calling in Elk is the best thing ever and I'll still be doing it but I'll be looking for spikes.
show me the increases for us muzzleloaders in ride units?

So, you're for the substantial increase in cow tags for the muzzleloader and rifle guys? Your opinion is those new tags will tag out less cows than the OTC archery cow tag and build the herd back up?

Please don't take those as negatives just genuine guestions for me to gain more knowledge.

Jesus, keep reading all the responses. I already said I said a mistake and misspoke. I didn't delete the comments because the flow of the thread had already taken shape. I corrected and said the cow permits are still the same number but at least you have the option to hunt cows.
What else do you need from me?
you still have the option to hunt cows in the late season
nuke the gray whales for jesus!

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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #91 on: February 13, 2018, 06:27:04 PM »
Whether we want to admit it or not overall population of the Yakima pmu is down significantly over the last couple years. We are still allowed late season so I don't see anything wrong with the 3-year cycle of letting the herb build back up. I also believe that should be Universal across the board and not just early archery as I think that's a pretty small Band-Aid for pretty big wound. This is coming from a guy who loves early archery season and despises having to hunt late archery. Backpacking in the sunshine and calling in Elk is the best thing ever and I'll still be doing it but I'll be looking for spikes.
show me the increases for us muzzleloaders in ride units?

So, you're for the substantial increase in cow tags for the muzzleloader and rifle guys? Your opinion is those new tags will tag out less cows than the OTC archery cow tag and build the herd back up?

Please don't take those as negatives just genuine guestions for me to gain more knowledge.

Jesus, keep reading all the responses. I already said I said a mistake and misspoke. I didn't delete the comments because the flow of the thread had already taken shape. I corrected and said the cow permits are still the same number but at least you have the option to hunt cows.
What else do you need from me?
you still have the option to hunt cows in the late season

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Not worth the time.

You people go support whatever you see fit and don't stick together with other hunters.
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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #92 on: February 13, 2018, 06:38:48 PM »
Muzzleloaders and rifle guys.
Are you going to support the change and be for the elimination of all cow tags and no permit cow tags for archery guys or are you going to support the bow hunters and reject the elimination of all cow tags?
Will hunters stick together or divide farther?
what is the big deal either way?no we don't want to pit any group against any other group.but if they rotate its fair,if they cut cow tags altogether that's fine too.rotate what you hunt with.  :tup:
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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #93 on: February 13, 2018, 07:40:23 PM »
Whether we want to admit it or not overall population of the Yakima pmu is down significantly over the last couple years. We are still allowed late season so I don't see anything wrong with the 3-year cycle of letting the herb build back up. I also believe that should be Universal across the board and not just early archery as I think that's a pretty small Band-Aid for pretty big wound. This is coming from a guy who loves early archery season and despises having to hunt late archery. Backpacking in the sunshine and calling in Elk is the best thing ever and I'll still be doing it but I'll be looking for spikes.
show me the increases for us muzzleloaders in ride units?

So, you're for the substantial increase in cow tags for the muzzleloader and rifle guys? Your opinion is those new tags will tag out less cows than the OTC archery cow tag and build the herd back up?

Please don't take those as negatives just genuine guestions for me to gain more knowledge.

Jesus, keep reading all the responses. I already said I said a mistake and misspoke. I didn't delete the comments because the flow of the thread had already taken shape. I corrected and said the cow permits are still the same number but at least you have the option to hunt cows.
What else do you need from me?
you still have the option to hunt cows in the late season

Have you ever hunted the late season in the Nile? It is more crowded than the general rifle season in there. Way too crowded and like I said previously your hunting the local elk herd early and late.

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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #94 on: February 13, 2018, 08:00:58 PM »
I find it hard to believe that the elk from the bumping are migrating to the cowiche.
Exactly, there are plenty of cows and bulls in all those units, early and late.  Anyone who knows elk and the lay of the land knows that.  I wouldn't take advice from someone in Mukilteo about the country over here.

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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #95 on: February 13, 2018, 08:25:47 PM »
Low Blow, time out time :chuckle:

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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #96 on: February 13, 2018, 09:41:21 PM »
I find it hard to believe that the elk from the bumping are migrating to the cowiche.
Exactly, there are plenty of cows and bulls in all those units, early and late.  Anyone who knows elk and the lay of the land knows that.  I wouldn't take advice from someone in Mukilteo about the country over here.
Ppffftttt.  1.  There isnít a late season in any of those units with orange stripes.

2.  I live in Mukilteo not by choice.  It takes me 3 hours to get there and trust me... I know the land.  The elk donít use the Nile like they use too because the surrounding units arenít open.   Fact.  Not fake news.


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« Reply #97 on: February 13, 2018, 09:53:25 PM »
I find it hard to believe that the elk from the bumping are migrating to the cowiche.
Exactly, there are plenty of cows and bulls in all those units, early and late.  Anyone who knows elk and the lay of the land knows that.  I wouldn't take advice from someone in Mukilteo about the country over here.
Forgot the part on migration.  The elk will migrate out of the bumping when the snow gets too deep.  They mostly go through the Bethel unit.  Both bumping and bethel are closed early and late for cows now.  Having an open unit in the Nile is like being at the zoo watching the animals behind the fence.  Gee thanks.

Whether they get to cowiche is dependent on snow fall but you can be damn sure elk migrate out of the open rimrock into cowiche.

You folks can lay claim to semantics but these proposed changes arenít based on public scientific data that I am aware of...  did they include a presentation with herd decline somewhere?  The game management plan still shows Yakima sub herd as at objective.

Bottom line for me is that they are asking the archery community to once again bear the loss of harvest opportunity.  Why?  Because they can.  With 60%+ of the hunters as rifle hunters they carry the majority vote.  It is politics not science:

However I am really surprised they are forgoing the opportunity to sell 300 or 500 cow permits x 4 units.  That is some serious lost revenue.


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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #98 on: February 13, 2018, 10:04:26 PM »
I find it hard to believe that the elk from the bumping are migrating to the cowiche.
Exactly, there are plenty of cows and bulls in all those units, early and late.  Anyone who knows elk and the lay of the land knows that.  I wouldn't take advice from someone in Mukilteo about the country over here.
I would take advice from someone in Mukilteo.   :chuckle:

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Re: Any other bowhunters want to throw up?
« Reply #99 on: February 14, 2018, 06:06:35 PM »
I find it hard to believe that the elk from the bumping are migrating to the cowiche.
Exactly, there are plenty of cows and bulls in all those units, early and late.  Anyone who knows elk and the lay of the land knows that.  I wouldn't take advice from someone in Mukilteo about the country over here.
Forgot the part on migration.  The elk will migrate out of the bumping when the snow gets too deep.  They mostly go through the Bethel unit.  Both bumping and bethel are closed early and late for cows now.  Having an open unit in the Nile is like being at the zoo watching the animals behind the fence.  Gee thanks.

Whether they get to cowiche is dependent on snow fall but you can be damn sure elk migrate out of the open rimrock into cowiche.

You folks can lay claim to semantics but these proposed changes arenít based on public scientific data that I am aware of...  did they include a presentation with herd decline somewhere?  The game management plan still shows Yakima sub herd as at objective.

Bottom line for me is that they are asking the archery community to once again bear the loss of harvest opportunity.  Why?  Because they can.  With 60%+ of the hunters as rifle hunters they carry the majority vote.  It is politics not science:

However I am really surprised they are forgoing the opportunity to sell 300 or 500 cow permits x 4 units.  That is some serious lost revenue.


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I am totally in agreement with you, even if your  migration info is a bit off. its all good.

 

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