collapse
GET THE MOST OUT OF YOUR GPS MAP Advertise on Hunting-Washington

Author Topic: How Big is this Bear?  (Read 3839 times)

Offline Slider

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2007
  • Posts: 2585
    • www.albinovest.com
How Big is this Bear?
« on: October 17, 2007, 10:50:23 PM »
How big do you think this bear is? Is it a Male or Female? Is it the same Bear?

Offline GoldTip

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2007
  • Posts: 4588
  • Location: Spokane, WA
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2007, 07:32:27 AM »
The night time pictures definitiely look like a bigger bear from the bear in the first picture.  However, it's hard to tell from the angle of the bear in the first pic how big he is.
I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.
If I ageed with you, then we'd both be wrong.
You are never to old to learn something stupid.

Offline boneaddict

  • Site Sponsor
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 41267
  • Location: Selah, Washington
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2007, 07:50:54 AM »
They look like two different bear.  The latter looks like a male to me and I'd hate to venture a weight.  I would say a shooter at this point in the game.  The first one looks like she might have a pointier face thus the female, but again hard to say.
My website.....DDK Photography
http://ddkphotography.pixels.com

Offline Intruder

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2007
  • Posts: 1722
  • Location: Spo-Vegas
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2007, 08:29:08 AM »
Really hard to say w/ out something to reference against.  I've only killed a couple bears so I wouldn't consider myself a very good judge... but my initial reaction is that it/they aren't real big bears (135lbs - 165lbs).  That's a total WAG though.

Offline jackelope

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+18)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 34926
  • Location: Duvall, WA
  • Groups: WSB RMGA NRA RMEF BHA
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2007, 08:32:52 AM »
my guess goes as follows.
the top pic and the bottom few are 2 different bears. the bottom few pic's, are of the same bear, and he is above average to big size-wise.
:fire.:

" In today's instant gratification society, more and more pressure revolves around success and the measurement of one's prowess as a hunter by inches on a score chart or field photos produced on social media. Don't fall into the trap. Hunting is-and always will be- about the hunt, the adventure, the views, and time spent with close friends and family. " Ryan Hatfield

My posts, opinions and statements do not represent those of this forum

Offline T-ROY

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hunter
  • ***
  • Join Date: Jul 2007
  • Posts: 237
  • Location: NW WA
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2007, 10:29:21 AM »
my guess is a pretty nice sow with lots of hair making her look bigger yet.

Offline Bearhunter

  • Go in Lite come out Heavy!
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2007
  • Posts: 1978
  • Location: Sedro-Woolley
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2007, 12:20:20 PM »
Pretty big ears, which generally means smaller bear, just a quess.
Go in Lite come out Heavy!

Offline billythekidrock

  • Varmint
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 13445
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2007, 05:38:24 PM »
I say we need more pics... I think there are two bears as well.




Offline FWilliams

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Hunter
  • *
  • Join Date: Sep 2007
  • Posts: 226
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2007, 07:12:40 PM »
I would tend to agree on the 2 bear theory. the latter bear looks like a good boar....ears are a tad bit large for a real bruiser, but I like the distance between them......I wouldn't want to estimate a weight on the first bear based  on the one photograph....but I would guess the latter bear to be in the 225 to 250  range.


Fred

Offline Slider

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2007
  • Posts: 2585
    • www.albinovest.com
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2007, 07:35:03 PM »
I have one pic with 2 bears in it. I would have posted it but they are to far away from the camera and at night. I also believe the top photo is a sow and the other photos are of a decent size Boar with an above average head!!! Nice guesses!!!

Offline Intruder

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2007
  • Posts: 1722
  • Location: Spo-Vegas
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2007, 10:45:28 AM »
Just curious:
1.  What are you guys seeing that makes ya think that 1 may be a sow?  How do you tell without, well you know?
2.  What do you guys generally feel is big.... something like over 200 lbs? 

I've always been under the impression that most bears aren't as big as you initially think.  I've heard various sources say that the run of the mill bear black bear (average if you will) is 125-150 lbs.  That probably holds pretty true for the bears I've seen in the wild.  Does that hold water in your guy's experiences?

Offline saylean

  • Team Slayer Packmule
  • Business Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Old Salt
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2007
  • Posts: 7979
  • Location: Stanwood
    • www.facebook.com/Nobaitjustbears
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2007, 11:00:52 AM »
I say...see black...shoot it. ;) Good luck with the hunt.
Author of "No Bait Just Bears" and "The Ultimate Guide To Black Bear Hunting". Follow on Instagram: bozeandbears.

Offline boneaddict

  • Site Sponsor
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 41267
  • Location: Selah, Washington
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2007, 12:16:51 PM »
Facial features mostly Intruder and body build.  Not to be sexest, but sows usually have a blocky ass, and small front ends, where as a boar is alot blockier in the front, or more weight up front.  Heads tend to be narrow, narrow nose, narrow forehead, pointier face.  The pictures of the lowere bear are of a decent sized bear.  People are referring to ears, and they are a good/excellent indication, but in this case would cost you a decent bear.  Look at the bridge of his nose.  This is a pretty decent bear.  Its like saying all deer have this much for spread on ears.  Anything over 200 pounds is a nice trophy here in Washington.  This would be in deer terms a 150 buck.  Nice, but not gigantic, but damn worth shooting unless you had a specific goal in mind.  Judgeing weight on bears is mostly done by experience.  How many have you put to scale.  While running bears professionally, we would always scale them and put some cash in a jar.  The guy closest wins.  Take a guess, knock 50 pounds off and you would almost win every time. ;)  I would bet that maybe one 400+ pound bear gets killed in Washington per year...maybe???  Very few 300 pounders more 200 pounders and lots of 100-175 pounders.  Thats just the way it is.  Folks grab onto them thnking they are like a grain sack or something.  Picking up or moving a bear is just different.  It doesn't mean you have an instant 300 pounder.  I have said this multiple times on here and piss alot of people off, but there just are VERY few 400 pound bears in Washington state. VERY FEW!  Out of the thousand plus bear I have seen, I can count on my hands how many made that bench mark.   
My website.....DDK Photography
http://ddkphotography.pixels.com

Offline Intruder

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2007
  • Posts: 1722
  • Location: Spo-Vegas
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2007, 02:36:37 PM »
Bone....
Your viewpoints mirror pretty much everything I've heard about bears all over the western states.  300lbers are truly big SOBs with 400s rarely ever taken.  Vast majority harvested are 225 or less.  I like the 50lb rule too.  That's probably 1 of the most practical pieces of info I've heard.

Offline billythekidrock

  • Varmint
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 13445
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2007, 05:35:27 PM »
Quote
I've always been under the impression that most bears aren't as big as you initially think.  I've heard various sources say that the run of the mill bear black bear (average if you will) is 125-150 lbs.  That probably holds pretty true for the bears I've seen in the wild.  Does that hold water in your guy's experiences?

That is exactly right and most of the bear hunters here will tell you that. Most people don't weigh their bears and they inflate the size for many reasons.

Bones post is right on, but I would have to say that I think are more and more big bears every year. I have only hunted them for about a dozen years but I have seen a couple hundred and at least a handfull that would go over 400lbs. One spring I killed one over 400 and the next week I saw another just as big in the same gmu. Every other year or so we see the black "VW Bug" that takes up the whole road somewhere on the OP. But in general they are alot smaller.




Offline FWilliams

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Hunter
  • *
  • Join Date: Sep 2007
  • Posts: 226
Re: How Big is this Bear?
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2007, 10:13:07 PM »
very good info by boneaddict, I quit counting the number of bear kills that I have been at in 25 + years of chasing bears.....we weighed everything we killed and only 2 crossed over the 400 mark.   I had one of them life size mounted just because of how hard they were to come by. 

I tend to judge the head more than the body as the trophy hunters I guided were more interested in the skull measurements than body  weight. this is how a bear was scored for the trophy books. I know people look for large ears as a sign of a small bear, but I tend to look at the distance between them as well as the relationship to the nose and snout area.

the bear in your photos is a excellent bear and should make anyone that harvested it a happy camper.

 

* Recent Topics

Whitetail doe suggestions for my two kids in area 1010, 145 or 149. by 724wd
[Today at 03:48:25 PM]


First bear ever - BIG boar down! by jennabug
[Today at 03:47:55 PM]


Back from Idaho, big buck down and the best shot I ever missed by full choke
[Today at 03:45:20 PM]


Deer and Raccoon by Kit Carson
[Today at 03:29:52 PM]


2017 Got it done by crazyantler
[Today at 03:26:44 PM]


What's your scouting strategy? by 7mmfan
[Today at 03:15:36 PM]


I am not getting it. by JDHasty
[Today at 03:11:02 PM]


Curious. Who Packs a Handgun While Hunting? by rudedawg1085
[Today at 03:08:18 PM]


As They Lay 2017 by NOCK NOCK
[Today at 02:59:35 PM]


Multi season permits, good or bad? by NOCK NOCK
[Today at 02:55:21 PM]


Half-Day Hunt by merkelman
[Today at 02:44:27 PM]


2017 Elk, post them here (photos & stats) by scottcrb
[Today at 02:37:29 PM]


wolves and cervid behavior by yakimanoob
[Today at 02:29:35 PM]


Idaho super hunt deer tag. by Jermshooter
[Today at 02:21:54 PM]


2017 Deer, post them here (photos & stats) by Thefisherman83
[Today at 02:20:49 PM]


Popular place by yakimanoob
[Today at 02:19:40 PM]


Sheep Hunting and snakes by yakimanoob
[Today at 02:14:55 PM]


Guided Goose Hunts by eastsidemallard74
[Today at 02:04:42 PM]


Manson by DOUBLELUNG
[Today at 01:57:44 PM]


Wts Diamond Infinite Edge by jordanramos_79
[Today at 01:48:44 PM]