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209 Muzzy's In Washington
« on: January 26, 2018, 04:43:54 AM »
 It looks like the 209 will become legal in Washington. Are you going to be picking up a new muzzy, and if so which one?
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2018, 05:01:17 AM »
It looks like the 209 will become legal in Washington. Are you going to be picking up a new muzzy, and if so which one?

Knight ultralight. Unless I can buy a kit to change my Northwest legal over. Even though I could save that for Idaho. Always a reason to buy a new gun. Will they still make it to where the cap is exposed?

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2018, 06:07:40 AM »
It looks like the 209 will become legal in Washington. Are you going to be picking up a new muzzy, and if so which one?

Knight ultralight. Unless I can buy a kit to change my Northwest legal over. Even though I could save that for Idaho. Always a reason to buy a new gun. Will they still make it to where the cap is exposed?
Nope. The “Exposed to the Weather” language is struck out in the proposal.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2018, 06:12:49 AM »
So if this goes through, we can have the muzzy’s that have the breech completely protected?  Another question, are 209 primers that much better than a musket cap, and can my Thompson center xr.50 be converted to a 209?? 
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2018, 06:55:38 AM »
Here’s the text. What I’m not sure of is how the Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader fits in.
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2018, 08:08:05 AM »
I wish they’d just add scopes as well.  So is the 209 that much better?  I’m pretty sure my t/c xr can have a 209 nipple installed, I just won’t be able to fully enclose it, unless I put a cover over it. 
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2018, 08:16:27 AM »
I’m guessing you guys already know but does the state classify 209 as percussion ignition? I don’t know how they classify them.
If it goes through I’ll be buying a 209 bolt and breech plug for my disc extreme.
I still don’t see any purpose for allowing them.

I am very against scopes for muzzys in wa.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2018, 08:29:45 AM »
I’m guessing you guys already know but does the state classify 209 as percussion ignition? I don’t know how they classify them.

This was my exact question when I read the proposal.
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2018, 08:37:26 AM »
I already have the 209 conversion kit with my Knight Disc Extreme & have used it on a New Mexico hunt so I would use them if legal in WA.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2018, 08:39:45 AM »
I would like to see them add scopes to muzzy s for people with vision issues.  I know some old time whose eyes don't work as well as they used to.  Have it similar to a disability tag, show proof from your doctor, apply with the state, etc.  I am hesitant to put a age restriction on, since loss of eye sight affects many people, but you could do that as well.


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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2018, 08:47:08 AM »
I’m guessing you guys already know but does the state classify 209 as percussion ignition? I don’t know how they classify them.

This was my exact question when I read the proposal.

I think they consider 209's a modern cartridge primer.  That is why they had the last sentence in the regulation and specifically stated they were illegal.  With the new regulation the just changed it from illegal to legal. 

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2018, 08:48:55 AM »
So if this goes through, we can have the muzzy’s that have the breech completely protected?  Another question, are 209 primers that much better than a musket cap, and can my Thompson center xr.50 be converted to a 209??

I voted in support of the change, but in the comments I suggested they should clarify whether the intent is to keep the "exposed to the weather" requirements or strike it out. 

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2018, 08:50:18 AM »
I don't think it is whether you define a 209 as a percussion ignition but rather the bit about primers used in modern cartridges being legal that is key.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2018, 08:57:05 AM »
I don't think it is whether you define a 209 as a percussion ignition but rather the bit about primers used in modern cartridges being legal that is key.
:yeah:  It's not limiting to 209.  Check out that newish Remington Long Range Muzzleloader.  Only thing holding it back is not having a scope, but a good peep should be consistent to 300 yds.
https://www.remington.com/rifles/muzzleloading

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2018, 09:08:03 AM »
 would the rem 700 be legal under new rules?

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2018, 09:11:22 AM »
I would like to see the law left alone.  It's supposed to be a primitive season.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2018, 09:18:49 AM »
I’m guessing you guys already know but does the state classify 209 as percussion ignition? I don’t know how they classify them.

This was my exact question when I read the proposal.

I think they consider 209's a modern cartridge primer.  That is why they had the last sentence in the regulation and specifically stated they were illegal.  With the new regulation the just changed it from illegal to legal.
Dangit there i go with the whole lack of reading comprehension thing again!
I see words but sometimes they don’t be mean anything to me. Especially if they have more than 4 letters!  :dunno:

That clears it up.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2018, 09:25:06 AM »
 :chuckle:
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2018, 09:28:52 AM »
would the rem 700 be legal under new rules?
as long as it is muzzleloading and meets the other WDFW requirements (bullet size)

the one in the link I posted would be.  It can use the Federal 215M primers.  Be interesting to see how many are overlooking clearcuts this fall.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2018, 09:38:19 AM »
I already have the 209 conversion kit with my Knight Disc Extreme & have used it on a New Mexico hunt so I would use them if legal in WA.

 Same load used in both cases? If so, does it change your accuracy either way?
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2018, 09:39:13 AM »
I would like to see the law left alone.  It's supposed to be a primitive season.

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Part of me feels the same way.  I would be all for keeping the laws the same, but it seems like percussion cap manufacturing is fading away.  You can't really find a good quality musket cap without looking to Germany.  And those can be hard to come by.  I feel like percussion caps would continue to fade away with most every state (except a few western states) making 209's legal. 

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2018, 09:48:28 AM »
I can convert my CVA Optima to shoot 209's for $40. I need two things, a new breech plug ($30) and a new firing pin set ($10). So I'll be doing that, and switching to Blackhorn 209 powder. Only problem is I didn't really plan to hunt with my muzzleloader this year. Might have to reconsider.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2018, 09:51:51 AM »
I can convert my CVA Optima to shoot 209's for $40. I need two things, a new breech plug ($30) and a new firing pin set ($10). So I'll be doing that, and switching to Blackhorn 209 powder. Only problem is I didn't really plan to hunt with my muzzleloader this year. Might have to reconsider.

Make sure you get the right plug... you need the BH plug not the one that comes standard in a CVA
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2018, 09:56:32 AM »
I would like to see the law left alone.  It's supposed to be a primitive season.

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Do you muzzleload?

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2018, 10:11:56 AM »
I would like to see the law left alone.  It's supposed to be a primitive season.

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Do you muzzleload?

I have in the past. I own a converted/western whatever you call it Disc Extreme. Not sure why it matters. A muzzleloader is supposed to be a primitive weapon. If you want to hunt in a modern style with modern equipment, hunt the modern season with a modern rifle.
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