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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2018, 09:11:22 AM »
I would like to see the law left alone.  It's supposed to be a primitive season.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2018, 09:18:49 AM »
Iím guessing you guys already know but does the state classify 209 as percussion ignition? I donít know how they classify them.

This was my exact question when I read the proposal.

I think they consider 209's a modern cartridge primer.  That is why they had the last sentence in the regulation and specifically stated they were illegal.  With the new regulation the just changed it from illegal to legal.
Dangit there i go with the whole lack of reading comprehension thing again!
I see words but sometimes they donít be mean anything to me. Especially if they have more than 4 letters!  :dunno:

That clears it up.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2018, 09:25:06 AM »
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2018, 09:28:52 AM »
would the rem 700 be legal under new rules?
as long as it is muzzleloading and meets the other WDFW requirements (bullet size)

the one in the link I posted would be.  It can use the Federal 215M primers.  Be interesting to see how many are overlooking clearcuts this fall.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2018, 09:38:19 AM »
I already have the 209 conversion kit with my Knight Disc Extreme & have used it on a New Mexico hunt so I would use them if legal in WA.

 Same load used in both cases? If so, does it change your accuracy either way?
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2018, 09:39:13 AM »
I would like to see the law left alone.  It's supposed to be a primitive season.

Now getting changed into my flame retardant suit.

Part of me feels the same way.  I would be all for keeping the laws the same, but it seems like percussion cap manufacturing is fading away.  You can't really find a good quality musket cap without looking to Germany.  And those can be hard to come by.  I feel like percussion caps would continue to fade away with most every state (except a few western states) making 209's legal. 

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2018, 09:48:28 AM »
I can convert my CVA Optima to shoot 209's for $40. I need two things, a new breech plug ($30) and a new firing pin set ($10). So I'll be doing that, and switching to Blackhorn 209 powder. Only problem is I didn't really plan to hunt with my muzzleloader this year. Might have to reconsider.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2018, 09:51:51 AM »
I can convert my CVA Optima to shoot 209's for $40. I need two things, a new breech plug ($30) and a new firing pin set ($10). So I'll be doing that, and switching to Blackhorn 209 powder. Only problem is I didn't really plan to hunt with my muzzleloader this year. Might have to reconsider.

Make sure you get the right plug... you need the BH plug not the one that comes standard in a CVA
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2018, 09:56:32 AM »
I would like to see the law left alone.  It's supposed to be a primitive season.

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Do you muzzleload?

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2018, 10:11:56 AM »
I would like to see the law left alone.  It's supposed to be a primitive season.

Now getting changed into my flame retardant suit.

Do you muzzleload?

I have in the past. I own a converted/western whatever you call it Disc Extreme. Not sure why it matters. A muzzleloader is supposed to be a primitive weapon. If you want to hunt in a modern style with modern equipment, hunt the modern season with a modern rifle.
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2018, 10:13:19 AM »
My Bighorn came with the 209 breach plug and the red plastics jackets, but then I have several hundred musket caps that I need to do something with.  I'll probably just keep things the way they are.


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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2018, 10:28:31 AM »
I would like to see the law left alone.  It's supposed to be a primitive season.

Now getting changed into my flame retardant suit.

Do you muzzleload?

I have in the past. I own a converted/western whatever you call it Disc Extreme. Not sure why it matters. A muzzleloader is supposed to be a primitive weapon. If you want to hunt in a modern style with modern equipment, hunt the modern season with a modern rifle.
But other than a special permit or raffle tag, there's not really an option to hunt bulls in or tail end of rut with a modern rifle.  And for the westside not much of an option to hunt elk with a modern rifle when it isn't raining every (or nearly) day.  The guys have some arguments, but I think a few will have regrets later--more people and harvest.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2018, 02:32:33 PM »
I have a western disc extreme.  What all do I need to make it 209?  I assume you would be able to go through Knight? 

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2018, 03:21:44 PM »
I already have the 209 conversion kit with my Knight Disc Extreme & have used it on a New Mexico hunt so I would use them if legal in WA.

 Same load used in both cases? If so, does it change your accuracy either way?


Can't remember load for sure but also used Blackhorn 209 powder with the 209a Federal shotshell primer. I switched out the breech plug along with the bolt for the muzzy. I also had a scope mounted for the hunt.

One advantage was less fowling using the 209 powder and less reload time skipping the patching on followup shots. I did use the same 290 grain ez load bullets.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2018, 03:45:15 PM »
I won a Muzzy4-5 years ago at a RMEF banquet and held onto it in hopes it would someday be legal here, guess its time to start practicing!

 

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