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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #75 on: January 29, 2018, 12:44:58 PM »
In the end, the more trouble-free we make it, the more hunters will move to ML, the higher the harvest numbers will be, the fewer days ML season will last.
It could also be argued that if more modern hunters switched to muzzy that the muzzy hunters would have a better seat at the table when it comes to seasons and permits.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #76 on: January 29, 2018, 03:05:34 PM »
In the end, the more trouble-free we make it, the more hunters will move to ML, the higher the harvest numbers will be, the fewer days ML season will last.
It could also be argued that if more modern hunters switched to muzzy that the muzzy hunters would have a better seat at the table when it comes to seasons and permits.

nothing really points to this resulting in more days, rather the opposite.  Having a larger hunter base makes every efficiency improvement more impactful, and having a large number of hunters increases the risk that a better than expected year could damage recovery.  My $.02

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #77 on: January 29, 2018, 03:10:08 PM »
In the end, the more trouble-free we make it, the more hunters will move to ML, the higher the harvest numbers will be, the fewer days ML season will last.
It could also be argued that if more modern hunters switched to muzzy that the muzzy hunters would have a better seat at the table when it comes to seasons and permits.


While that could be argued, more hunters move to muzzy and they change (eliminate the late) the season, require hunter orange, etc.  I guess from my perspective, I don't trust our WDFW to do what is in our best interest, I don't think this change is needed, I believe it will degrade the experience long term.  Just my opinions and like everyone I have an AH as well.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #78 on: January 29, 2018, 04:21:46 PM »
In the end, the more trouble-free we make it, the more hunters will move to ML, the higher the harvest numbers will be, the fewer days ML season will last.
It could also be argued that if more modern hunters switched to muzzy that the muzzy hunters would have a better seat at the table when it comes to seasons and permits.


While that could be argued, more hunters move to muzzy and they change (eliminate the late) the season, require hunter orange, etc.  I guess from my perspective, I don't trust our WDFW to do what is in our best interest, I don't think this change is needed, I believe it will degrade the experience long term.  Just my opinions and like everyone I have an AH as well.

Just so you know there is a conversion for the A&H - but if you are shooting #11's now there isn't a real advantage... IMO

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #79 on: January 29, 2018, 04:32:21 PM »
In the end, the more trouble-free we make it, the more hunters will move to ML, the higher the harvest numbers will be, the fewer days ML season will last.
It could also be argued that if more modern hunters switched to muzzy that the muzzy hunters would have a better seat at the table when it comes to seasons and permits.


While that could be argued, more hunters move to muzzy and they change (eliminate the late) the season, require hunter orange, etc.  I guess from my perspective, I don't trust our WDFW to do what is in our best interest, I don't think this change is needed, I believe it will degrade the experience long term.  Just my opinions and like everyone I have an AH as well.

Just so you know there is a conversion for the A&H - but if you are shooting #11's now there isn't a real advantage... IMO

Are 209s more weather proof?

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2018, 05:23:36 PM »
In the end, the more trouble-free we make it, the more hunters will move to ML, the higher the harvest numbers will be, the fewer days ML season will last.
It could also be argued that if more modern hunters switched to muzzy that the muzzy hunters would have a better seat at the table when it comes to seasons and permits.


While that could be argued, more hunters move to muzzy and they change (eliminate the late) the season, require hunter orange, etc.  I guess from my perspective, I don't trust our WDFW to do what is in our best interest, I don't think this change is needed, I believe it will degrade the experience long term.  Just my opinions and like everyone I have an AH as well.

Just so you know there is a conversion for the A&H - but if you are shooting #11's now there isn't a real advantage... IMO

Are 209s more weather proof?


This is a great topic and enjoy reading both sides. The way I read his post was everyone has an opinion just like everyone has an A Hole. What is the a&h you are talking about Sabotloader? I know nothing about mls.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2018, 05:25:28 PM »
In the end, the more trouble-free we make it, the more hunters will move to ML, the higher the harvest numbers will be, the fewer days ML season will last.
It could also be argued that if more modern hunters switched to muzzy that the muzzy hunters would have a better seat at the table when it comes to seasons and permits.


While that could be argued, more hunters move to muzzy and they change (eliminate the late) the season, require hunter orange, etc.  I guess from my perspective, I don't trust our WDFW to do what is in our best interest, I don't think this change is needed, I believe it will degrade the experience long term.  Just my opinions and like everyone I have an AH as well.

Just so you know there is a conversion for the A&H - but if you are shooting #11's now there isn't a real advantage... IMO

Are 209s more weather proof?


This is a great topic and enjoy reading both sides. The way I read his post was everyone has an opinion just like everyone has an A Hole. What is the a&h you are talking about Sabotloader? I know nothing about mls.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2018, 05:50:56 PM »
In the end, the more trouble-free we make it, the more hunters will move to ML, the higher the harvest numbers will be, the fewer days ML season will last.
It could also be argued that if more modern hunters switched to muzzy that the muzzy hunters would have a better seat at the table when it comes to seasons and permits.


While that could be argued, more hunters move to muzzy and they change (eliminate the late) the season, require hunter orange, etc.  I guess from my perspective, I don't trust our WDFW to do what is in our best interest, I don't think this change is needed, I believe it will degrade the experience long term.  Just my opinions and like everyone I have an AH as well.

Just so you know there is a conversion for the A&H - but if you are shooting #11's now there isn't a real advantage... IMO

Are 209s more weather proof?


This is a great topic and enjoy reading both sides. The way I read his post was everyone has an opinion just like everyone has an A Hole. What is the a&h you are talking about Sabotloader? I know nothing about mls.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2018, 06:07:54 PM »
In the end, the more trouble-free we make it, the more hunters will move to ML, the higher the harvest numbers will be, the fewer days ML season will last.
It could also be argued that if more modern hunters switched to muzzy that the muzzy hunters would have a better seat at the table when it comes to seasons and permits.


While that could be argued, more hunters move to muzzy and they change (eliminate the late) the season, require hunter orange, etc.  I guess from my perspective, I don't trust our WDFW to do what is in our best interest, I don't think this change is needed, I believe it will degrade the experience long term.  Just my opinions and like everyone I have an AH as well.

Just so you know there is a conversion for the A&H - but if you are shooting #11's now there isn't a real advantage... IMO

Are 209s more weather proof?


The primers themselves are water proof - but that does not mean your breech is water proof.  Water and water vapor can get by the primer in the breech plug primer pocket - unless you have zero head space in the breech plug.

« Last Edit: January 29, 2018, 06:13:45 PM by Sabotloader »
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #84 on: January 29, 2018, 06:11:03 PM »
In the end, the more trouble-free we make it, the more hunters will move to ML, the higher the harvest numbers will be, the fewer days ML season will last.
It could also be argued that if more modern hunters switched to muzzy that the muzzy hunters would have a better seat at the table when it comes to seasons and permits.


While that could be argued, more hunters move to muzzy and they change (eliminate the late) the season, require hunter orange, etc.  I guess from my perspective, I don't trust our WDFW to do what is in our best interest, I don't think this change is needed, I believe it will degrade the experience long term.  Just my opinions and like everyone I have an AH as well.

Just so you know there is a conversion for the A&H - but if you are shooting #11's now there isn't a real advantage... IMO

Are 209s more weather proof?


The primers themselves are water proof - but that does not mean your breech is water proof.  Water and water vapor can pet by the prime in the breech plug unless you have zero head space in the breech plug.

The reason 209 is more waterproof is that I can seal it in so much better with nail polish.  Really hard to do this effectively with Musket Caps. 

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2018, 06:12:08 PM »
In the end, the more trouble-free we make it, the more hunters will move to ML, the higher the harvest numbers will be, the fewer days ML season will last.
It could also be argued that if more modern hunters switched to muzzy that the muzzy hunters would have a better seat at the table when it comes to seasons and permits.


While that could be argued, more hunters move to muzzy and they change (eliminate the late) the season, require hunter orange, etc.  I guess from my perspective, I don't trust our WDFW to do what is in our best interest, I don't think this change is needed, I believe it will degrade the experience long term.  Just my opinions and like everyone I have an AH as well.

Just so you know there is a conversion for the A&H - but if you are shooting #11's now there isn't a real advantage... IMO

Are 209s more weather proof?


This is a great topic and enjoy reading both sides. The way I read his post was everyone has an opinion just like everyone has an A Hole. What is the a&h you are talking about Sabotloader? I know nothing about mls.

I made an assumption he was talking about an Austin & Halleck ML



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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #86 on: January 31, 2018, 11:33:33 AM »
Slow reply due to business travel. Yes, I was talking the anatomy.  SL, very nice A&H, are they typically 1-28 twist?

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #87 on: January 31, 2018, 11:39:35 AM »
Slow reply due to business travel. Yes, I was talking the anatomy.  SL, very nice A&H, are they typically 1-28 twist?

Yes - 1/28... but they have a terribly long bolt throw....
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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #88 on: February 01, 2018, 07:58:49 AM »
Thanks,  really hoping this doesn't get approved.  If it does I hope my fears aren't realized, WA already packs a lot of people into a few Muzzy units, this would just make those units more crowded for at least the next 3 years.

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Re: 209 Muzzy's In Washington
« Reply #89 on: February 02, 2018, 04:43:52 PM »
Thanks,  really hoping this doesn't get approved.  If it does I hope my fears aren't realized, WA already packs a lot of people into a few Muzzy units, this would just make those units more crowded for at least the next 3 years.

In the next year, you can expect the number of new muzzleloader hunting licenses to double, now that the ML gun laws have changed to allow inlines.

All the gun stores in Pennsylvania are going to enjoy the added business. This will turn into a nice boost of your sporting goods economy. Plus the State reaps the cash flow from the additional license fees and taxes added to the sales of all the MLs and accessories.

It's a Plus-Plus for the Pennsylvania economy.

 

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