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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2018, 10:04:38 AM »
Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?
Honest answers now!!
Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers.  I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting.  We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why.  I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change. 
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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2018, 10:19:23 AM »
I can't support this guy, he kept trophies, which tells me he's not killing them just to save deer, or elk, or livestock...he's keeping the hides and skulls. 

If he were killing them because they were getting into his livestock I could support that, if he were killing them because they were decimating the deer off his food plots I could be sympathetic, but he's keeping trophy's. 

So I won't be contributing to a go fund me to bail him out. 
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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2018, 10:24:31 AM »
If they split the state we can probably legally hunt wolves in a few years in E WA. For now, to avoid trouble, a guy needs to go about 20 miles east of there and legally trap the same wolves!
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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2018, 10:40:01 AM »
I can't support this guy, he kept trophies, which tells me he's not killing them just to save deer, or elk, or livestock...he's keeping the hides and skulls. 

If he were killing them because they were getting into his livestock I could support that, if he were killing them because they were decimating the deer off his food plots I could be sympathetic and turn a blind eye, but he's keeping trophy's. 

So I won't be contributing to a go fund me to bail him out.
Keeping trophies in this situation is not smart at all, dumb decision for sure.  And like bearpaw said, if he wants trophies he should have just went to Idaho a short drive away. 
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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2018, 11:11:06 AM »
Its probably easier to move the State line vs unlisting wolves in Wa.   :twocents:
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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2018, 12:04:23 PM »
Glad he was caught!  He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.

I agree. As much as we don't need or want them here, him killing WA wolves literally does more harm than good... even to us as hunters, and it's yet another black eye for the hunting community.
Unless he some how uses it to make a court challenge....

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I'd love to see a court challenge, the elk in the blues have been hit hard, one of our best quality areas is going down hill fast.  wolves are a big part of that problem, if the people who live there and care about the elk and deer herds take a few wolves out, good for them.  Just how I feel about it.

Whether or not I would kill a wolf if given the chance, I'm still happy that two of them were killed; and bummed he is getting punished for doing what WDFW should be highly encouraging us all to do. 

The way he went about it was stupid, but WDFW's predator management strategy is  even more stupid and harmful to hunters.  Is there a time where civil disobedience is excusable?  That's the real rub, and always has been.  Some people submitted to Hitler, and some resisted.  That's the way it will always be.   :twocents: :twocents:

Would dearly love to see a very talented lawyer take a case before a jury somewhere like Stevens or Pend Oreille County. 

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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2018, 01:44:06 PM »
Go with bearpaw on this one and your chances of every tagging a wolf are small.  Trapping? if you are very talented and determined this is by far the way to go.  Still not easy or cheap.  Even if you collect all of the help $ offered your fuel bill is likely not recovered.

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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2018, 01:50:00 PM »
Glad he was caught!  He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.

I agree. As much as we don't need or want them here, him killing WA wolves literally does more harm than good... even to us as hunters, and it's yet another black eye for the hunting community.
Unless he some how uses it to make a court challenge....

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I'd love to see a court challenge, the elk in the blues have been hit hard, one of our best quality areas is going down hill fast.  wolves are a big part of that problem, if the people who live there and care about the elk and deer herds take a few wolves out, good for them.  Just how I feel about it.

Whether or not I would kill a wolf if given the chance, I'm still happy that two of them were killed; and bummed he is getting punished for doing what WDFW should be highly encouraging us all to do. 

The way he went about it was stupid, but WDFW's predator management strategy is  even more stupid and harmful to hunters.  Is there a time where civil disobedience is excusable?  That's the real rub, and always has been.  Some people submitted to Hitler, and some resisted.  That's the way it will always be.   :twocents: :twocents:

Would dearly love to see a very talented lawyer take a case before a jury somewhere like Stevens or Pend Oreille County.
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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2018, 05:20:05 PM »
Glad he was caught!  He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.
did you know him personally?

He shot an animal with no open season.  He is a poacher.  What more do you need? Want me to draw you a picture?

WDFW Police Capt. Dan Rahn said the department began investigating the case in late February of 2016, while following up on a wolf mortality near the LeClerc Creek Road in Pend Oreille County. Evidence at the scene led WDFW police to property owned by Fowler.
In March 2016, WDFW served search warrants on Fowler’s cabin in Pend Oreille County, and on his residence in Liberty Lake in Spokane County. Rahn said WDFW police found evidence of wolf trapping, wolf hair, tissue, scat, and two skulls.


Can someone define the underlined word for me.   :dunno:
If this link works it shows a picture of a leg trap
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/spokane-area-man-fined-8300-for-poaching-2-northeast-washington-wolves/

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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2018, 05:27:36 PM »
He wasn't a complete newbie to trapping, I see he has stuffing under the pan. 

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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2018, 05:41:56 PM »
Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?
Honest answers now!!
Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers.  I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting.  We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why.  I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.

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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2018, 06:22:10 PM »
No poaching is not ok
I can't support this guy, he kept trophies, which tells me he's not killing them just to save deer, or elk, or livestock...he's keeping the hides and skulls. 

If he were killing them because they were getting into his livestock I could support that, if he were killing them because they were decimating the deer off his food plots I could be sympathetic, but he's keeping trophy's. 

So I won't be contributing to a go fund me to bail him out. 

I have to agree with KF on this just the way I feel also.

I seen this on my YouTube today thought it might related a little bit.

Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2018, 06:30:18 PM »
Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?
Honest answers now!!
Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers.  I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting.  We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why.  I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.


I don't support any poaching, nor do I buy into the slippery slope idea either. 

I'm also careful about labeling someone a poacher, if a guy is having problems with wolves killing his critters and shoots 2 of them off a struggling heifer - he's a poacher. 

My point is not all poaching is equal, and to view it as such is overly simplistic especially when you have no skin in the game.  Just laws and enforcement of those laws require an element of compassion and understanding, strict black and white is what gets us a police state.


clearly the guy in this instance was a poacher, but probably felt empowered by all the folks saying to kill them all, so he tried, now he pays.

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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2018, 06:30:31 PM »
That was interesting.
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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2018, 07:01:39 PM »
Glad he was caught!  He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.

I agree. As much as we don't need or want them here, him killing WA wolves literally does more harm than good... even to us as hunters, and it's yet another black eye for the hunting community.


You sound like a CNW or DoW representative, jack.

Please explain to all of us how less wolves is bad for Washington?

We have watched for several years now as WDFW have lied to the people of WA. backed by their fake environmental partners.

Get out and talk to folks besides those who work for WDFW or CNW etc. and you will discover there are many people besides rural folks that have taken a disliking to the wolves.

Public opinion has turned against the wolves, and like the wolves, WDFW and CNW etc. have become known as dishonest, and are like as much as the wolves.

And just like in other states where wolves were allowed to grow out of control, folks openly express what is happening to wolves. I was talking to a guy at a business in Wenatchee a couple of weeks ago, I ask him how their wolves were doing, he said “he thought the local boys had shot most the wolves out around there, except in the Entiat, which he said needed some extra wolf control”

The wolf problems aren’t a secret anymore, and wolf control is being implemented by folks throughout WA., I think most realize that WDFW have no intention of ever controlling wolves.

Any idea how many dogs were killed just this winter in Okanogan County by wolves?

Or how many interactions there were between wolves and people?

Have you heard anything about the wolves up around Loomis?


 WDFW don't like that info getting out to the public, but the public does learn about such incidences.

 
As far as poaching-how many of Washingtons ungulates have been poached by WDFW fake endangered wolves?


The only ones with black eyes at this stage of the game jack,  is WDF&wolves.



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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2018, 07:42:00 PM »
This is slightly off topic but splitting E WA from W WA would stink pretty bad for us W WA folk who hunt E WA. We would have to pay out of state price for tags?(and vice versa)  I assume they wouldn’t give us a Washington price because then Idaho would feel like they should get the same discount for being a neighbor state as well?
It’s a cool idea in theory but would stink in some ways.. just sayin..
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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2018, 07:44:47 PM »
This is slightly off topic but splitting E WA from W WA would stink pretty bad for us W WA folk who hunt E WA. We would have to pay out of state price for tags?(and vice versa)  I assume they wouldn’t give us a Washington price because then Idaho would feel like they should get the same discount for being a neighbor state as well?
It’s a cool idea in theory but would stink in some ways.. just sayin..


 :tup: Let this man pick a Kewpie Doll off the wall anyone of his choice.

On the plus side perhaps we could get a wolf mangement plan in place.

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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2018, 07:45:01 PM »
How did the wdfw have a clue about the guy killing wolves in the first place? Did someone rat him out?
My guess is he forgot an S or two
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #69 on: January 27, 2018, 07:52:18 PM »
I'm wondering if he had snares out, if he snared a collared wolf game over

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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #70 on: January 27, 2018, 08:27:07 PM »
Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?
Honest answers now!!
Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers.  I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting.  We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why.  I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.
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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #71 on: January 27, 2018, 10:22:45 PM »
This is slightly off topic but splitting E WA from W WA would stink pretty bad for us W WA folk who hunt E WA. We would have to pay out of state price for tags?(and vice versa)  I assume they wouldn’t give us a Washington price because then Idaho would feel like they should get the same discount for being a neighbor state as well?
It’s a cool idea in theory but would stink in some ways.. just sayin..

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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #72 on: January 27, 2018, 10:26:29 PM »
This is slightly off topic but splitting E WA from W WA would stink pretty bad for us W WA folk who hunt E WA. We would have to pay out of state price for tags?(and vice versa)  I assume they wouldn’t give us a Washington price because then Idaho would feel like they should get the same discount for being a neighbor state as well?
It’s a cool idea in theory but would stink in some ways.. just sayin..

True but I could also move to Montana or any other state with better hunting opportunity but I don’t because my life is here. I’m just saying in certain ways it would not be cool for some western Washington folks (or some eastern who love they’re blacktails!!)

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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #73 on: January 27, 2018, 10:31:58 PM »
Yes there's always pros and cons, but the pros would far outweigh any cons. 

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Re: Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County
« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2018, 09:01:24 AM »
The WDFW is not going to helpbus (the public) with the wolf problem. They could just not get involved in wolf shootings and leave it up to the feds to do their own dirty work. But instead they take the stance, against us, the people they "represent". Because of this, it is up to us to deal with the wolf problem and we should all do our part and kill every wolf we see.  Unless of course you can't see that the government you support is a criminal group

 

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