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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #90 on: February 12, 2018, 09:37:40 AM »
I hate wolves, and am from the NE.  Anyone who has read my posts knows this.   :chuckle:

However, I don't see this helping.  Why help the wolves spread?  We need them to pass a bill delisting them in the NE corner, so we can kill them.  This just accelerates the end of OTC hunting in this state.   :twocents:

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #91 on: February 12, 2018, 10:20:40 AM »
Yes, this is just an attempt to speed things up, but not really the management hunting portion we would be slow played just like we are now.

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #92 on: February 12, 2018, 10:23:42 AM »
or choice #3:

Get the wolf plan revised to delist the wolf in the eastern third of the state.

If they can get a bill passed to move wolves, they can make a deal to delist. :twocents:

Which is why I said "Make The Call" to your legislators or that will never happen either!  :twocents:
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #93 on: February 12, 2018, 04:00:12 PM »
Would not expect 'interactions', just missing pets, llamas, pot bellied pigs, pygmy goats, yard fowl, and other assorted lovelies.  Would be rare for anyone to every see one but the connection would happen.

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #94 on: February 12, 2018, 05:27:57 PM »
All the hype to get wolves moved all over the state will only convince the wolf lovers that they were right all along. In the end WA will end up with more wolves and there will never be hunting for them in this state. Olympia will hire more biologists for WDFW to conduct studies. Getting a bill passed like this is only going to further spending for dumb ideas. Eco lovers like the protesters with the kayaks are never going to be convinced that wolves are bad, even if they are predatory on people. Expanding wolves and thinking you are going to teach people a lesson is a fools errand.


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Might depend on who gets chewed up...

DNA samples confirm wolves killed Southwest Alaska teacher

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article/dna-samples-confirm-wolves-killed-southwest-alaska-teacher/2011/12/06/

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #95 on: February 12, 2018, 09:02:05 PM »
All the hype to get wolves moved all over the state will only convince the wolf lovers that they were right all along. In the end WA will end up with more wolves and there will never be hunting for them in this state. Olympia will hire more biologists for WDFW to conduct studies. Getting a bill passed like this is only going to further spending for dumb ideas. Eco lovers like the protesters with the kayaks are never going to be convinced that wolves are bad, even if they are predatory on people. Expanding wolves and thinking you are going to teach people a lesson is a fools errand.


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Might depend on who gets chewed up...

DNA samples confirm wolves killed Southwest Alaska teacher

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article/dna-samples-confirm-wolves-killed-southwest-alaska-teacher/2011/12/06/

One  death (in 2011?) won't do a thing.  Every year people are killed by grizzlies in the lower 48.  Which lower 48 states have grizzly seasons?  Oh yeah, not a single one. 

Look hard enough and you will find "evidence" of anything.  One dead teacher in Alaska in 2011 isn't exactly what I would call a "trend" of human/wolf interactions. 

I suspect that if it ever happened in Western Washington, the pro wolf crowd would probably say "See, people don't belong in the wilderness.  That person got what they deserved."


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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #96 on: February 12, 2018, 09:06:38 PM »
or choice #3:

Get the wolf plan revised to delist the wolf in the eastern third of the state.

If they can get a bill passed to move wolves, they can make a deal to delist. :twocents:

Which is why I said "Make The Call" to your legislators or that will never happen either!  :twocents:
I'd like to think "making a call" would help but do you realize how many wolf huggers are supporting this from pugetopolis.... Let's hope logic prevails at the leg.

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #97 on: February 12, 2018, 10:27:39 PM »
or choice #3:

Get the wolf plan revised to delist the wolf in the eastern third of the state.

If they can get a bill passed to move wolves, they can make a deal to delist. :twocents:

Which is why I said "Make The Call" to your legislators or that will never happen either!  :twocents:
I'd like to think "making a call" would help but do you realize how many wolf huggers are supporting this from pugetopolis.... Let's hope logic prevails at the leg.

Since few hunters call and anti-hunters are active, that is why this legislation by "Kretz" is our only chance in NE!  :dunno:
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #98 on: February 13, 2018, 06:02:18 AM »
I hate wolves, and am from the NE.  Anyone who has read my posts knows this.   :chuckle:

However, I don't see this helping.  Why help the wolves spread?  We need them to pass a bill delisting them in the NE corner, so we can kill them.  This just accelerates the end of OTC hunting in this state.   :twocents:
From what I have seen and heard from other states the delisting is not going to come anytime soon. The so called conservation groups will challenge any effort to delist. While the WAG and WDFW think they are doing things by the book they will challenge. This proposed bill is just another wrinkle that somehow they will use against the delisting. :twocents:

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #99 on: February 13, 2018, 06:28:06 AM »
All the hype to get wolves moved all over the state will only convince the wolf lovers that they were right all along. In the end WA will end up with more wolves and there will never be hunting for them in this state. Olympia will hire more biologists for WDFW to conduct studies. Getting a bill passed like this is only going to further spending for dumb ideas. Eco lovers like the protesters with the kayaks are never going to be convinced that wolves are bad, even if they are predatory on people. Expanding wolves and thinking you are going to teach people a lesson is a fools errand.


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Might depend on who gets chewed up...

DNA samples confirm wolves killed Southwest Alaska teacher

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article/dna-samples-confirm-wolves-killed-southwest-alaska-teacher/2011/12/06/

One  death (in 2011?) won't do a thing.  Every year people are killed by grizzlies in the lower 48.  Which lower 48 states have grizzly seasons?  Oh yeah, not a single one. 

Look hard enough and you will find "evidence" of anything.  One dead teacher in Alaska in 2011 isn't exactly what I would call a "trend" of human/wolf interactions. 

I suspect that if it ever happened in Western Washington, the pro wolf crowd would probably say "See, people don't belong in the wilderness.  That person got what they deserved."

One death might not do the trick, but do you know how many human/wolf conflicts that have actually happened just in WA that if it weren't for the shoot first ask questions later, the person being attacked would have been wolf scat? We all know that WDFW etc. won't put that info out to the public, I can name at least four, two of them in the Methow. How many of the liberal hippies pack guns on their flower sniffing outings?

There are a good number of people who have changed their mind on the wolves from the west side, those who once believed the lies of the USFWS, WDFW etc. aren't as gullible as they use to be. Go on face book and look at the comments to Kretz proposal and you will find that many people on the "west side" don't want wolves in their neck of the woods, and my guess is there are plenty of calls being made to not release wolves in their backyard.

The wolf plan needs a going over by people with skin in the game, as has been already proven WDF&wolves are not representing WA's best interests.
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #100 on: February 13, 2018, 07:27:11 AM »
Totally agree with you that those decisions shouldd be made by people with skin in the game. 

100 percent wrong for people in western Washington to override the people in NE washington- who pay the price with their livestock and livelihood - let along people in New York or WA DC.   

That said, as a guy who lives on the west side, I'd just as soon they trapped/released enough wolves to the west side for lots and lots of human/pet interaction.   I think that might be what it takes......
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #101 on: February 14, 2018, 02:31:48 PM »
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/kretzs-wolf-bill-translocated-to-senate-after-passing-house/

The last paragraph made me laugh pretty good!  :chuckle:

"Notably, all the dissenting votes came from a mix of Democrats and Republicans representing largely rural and/or suburban portions of Western Washington, including the South Cascades, Willapa Hills and eastern King County."

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #102 on: February 14, 2018, 02:38:10 PM »
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/kretzs-wolf-bill-translocated-to-senate-after-passing-house/

The last paragraph made me laugh pretty good!  :chuckle:

"Notably, all the dissenting votes came from a mix of Democrats and Republicans representing largely rural and/or suburban portions of Western Washington, including the South Cascades, Willapa Hills and eastern King County."

Likely because nobody else gives a crap because they know the wolves won't end up wherever they are... Those areas are where the wolves will end up being relocated to.
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