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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2018, 11:05:32 AM »
"Management" of wolves is just a nice way of saying "killing" wolves, correct? We all know killing wolves will never happen, especially in western Washington, with the only exception being individual wolves when they kill or attack a person.

Probably will but only after multiple attacks on humans and the attacks will happen eventually.
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2018, 11:15:15 AM »
HT brings up a good point. "Management" could only occur in the NE where the feds had delisted... however you would still need state approval, and work through all the lawsuits that are sure to come.

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2018, 11:27:53 AM »
I am ALL FIR bringing them to the wet side, put them EVERYWHERE !! That way when mama and daddy tree huggn wolf lover go out on a little picanic with their 1000 dollars shirts and shorts and flip flops gets chewed on and crapped out they will realize that they possibly made an error in judgment of these fury cute defenseless creatures that only prey  on the sick and old !!! Be a fitting picanic for a pro wolfer don't ya think 😊😊😊😊😊
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2018, 11:56:13 AM »
When fluffy, insert any little fat lap dog breed you like, gets eaten the reaction will be a game changer.  If 70+% support wolves now it could fall below half in a week and continue down as the problem expands.  Move them to satisfy the wolf plan.  It will do nothing to help the people in the northeast initially but could be positive as we move forward.

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2018, 12:00:49 PM »
When not if they start eating fluffy you make sure the News agencies put it on the top news stories Publicize it!!

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2018, 12:29:14 PM »
I am ALL FIR bringing them to the wet side, put them EVERYWHERE !! That way when mama and daddy tree huggn wolf lover go out on a little picanic with their 1000 dollars shirts and shorts and flip flops gets chewed on and crapped out they will realize that they possibly made an error in judgment of these fury cute defenseless creatures that only prey  on the sick and old !!! Be a fitting picanic for a pro wolfer don't ya think 😊😊😊😊😊
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2018, 02:12:23 PM »
I haven't seen this mentioned yet , But we all know this is about wdfw killing the profanity pack,or killing packs of wolves in northeast , the wolf groups,antihunters all in a up roar with wdfw about killing wolves.So now we just move them.

If they want wolves more than they want cougars maybe they WILL increase the cougar quotas. For one, cougars and wolves compete for the same food. And two, cougars kill wolves. Better reduce the cougar population if they want wolves to have a chance of making it on the west side.  :tup:
They want the cougars and wolves to replace us.  It's similar to the way they manage fisheries.

This whole thread is about hunters turning on each other.  Think archery/muzzy/modern season dates and debates, putting apples out, using dogs in the field, crossbows.  Hunter399 posts are just another example of that.  In a lot of ways, we are a lousy, rag tag group and our own worst enemies. 


I think it's interesting to hear people who complained and continue to complain about wolves in their areas advocating the state spend a bunch of money on relocation so more people can be infected with these vermin. It's only fair? So if my area has a virulent flu epidemic it's only fair I come to your town and give it to everyone there? I live on the west side for work. Not everyone over here is a left leaning granola eater that thinks wolves are sacred. If anyone really thinks doing this will speed up delisting I think you are kidding yourself. Everyone I know thought it was a bad idea to put this species of wolf in Yellowstone in the 90s. Now hunters are saying relocate them to more area?. They are beginning to move across the mountains anyway. I see a time when all elk hunting in this state will be draw only. Why accelerate that process? Based on this logic maybe we should take criminals who have preyed on people over here and drop them off in eastern Wa.so they can be someone else's problem.
Your mixing apples and oranges and over exaggerating.
Of course I was overexaggerating. I just was hoping someone would see how ridiculous it ALL sounds. Thank you for reading it. My point was making your problem someone elses problem too might make you feel better, but it doesn't solve the problem. Do people in NE Wa., believe this is going to solve the issue? I have a difficult time believing they would be that naive. If the point is just to make everyone else eat a turd sandwich because you have to eat one, well that's not very nice.

As far me being against hunters , and the other comment pretty much that northeast Washington should just eat a turd sandwiches , just take one for the team, cause it's not just northeast problem it's gonna be a whole state problem.When there in your backyard,trailcams,hunting areas,ect,I think maybe you will start to feel different .I'm  happy a little that they might move some wolves to the west,YA!.we all live in the state of Washington and we can eat that turd sandwiches together,and all take one for the team.

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2018, 02:26:04 PM »
I am ALL FIR bringing them to the wet side, put them EVERYWHERE !! That way when mama and daddy tree huggn wolf lover go out on a little picanic with their 1000 dollars shirts and shorts and flip flops gets chewed on and crapped out they will realize that they possibly made an error in judgment of these fury cute defenseless creatures that only prey  on the sick and old !!! Be a fitting picanic for a pro wolfer don't ya think 😊😊😊😊😊
When the Seattle tree hugger family go on vacation we all now they head over the pass. Be better to move the wolves to Moses lake. :chuckle:
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2018, 03:06:17 PM »
I haven't seen this mentioned yet , But we all know this is about wdfw killing the profanity pack,or killing packs of wolves in northeast , the wolf groups,antihunters all in a up roar with wdfw about killing wolves.So now we just move them.

If they want wolves more than they want cougars maybe they WILL increase the cougar quotas. For one, cougars and wolves compete for the same food. And two, cougars kill wolves. Better reduce the cougar population if they want wolves to have a chance of making it on the west side.  :tup:
They want the cougars and wolves to replace us.  It's similar to the way they manage fisheries.

This whole thread is about hunters turning on each other.  Think archery/muzzy/modern season dates and debates, putting apples out, using dogs in the field, crossbows.  Hunter399 posts are just another example of that.  In a lot of ways, we are a lousy, rag tag group and our own worst enemies. 


I think it's interesting to hear people who complained and continue to complain about wolves in their areas advocating the state spend a bunch of money on relocation so more people can be infected with these vermin. It's only fair? So if my area has a virulent flu epidemic it's only fair I come to your town and give it to everyone there? I live on the west side for work. Not everyone over here is a left leaning granola eater that thinks wolves are sacred. If anyone really thinks doing this will speed up delisting I think you are kidding yourself. Everyone I know thought it was a bad idea to put this species of wolf in Yellowstone in the 90s. Now hunters are saying relocate them to more area?. They are beginning to move across the mountains anyway. I see a time when all elk hunting in this state will be draw only. Why accelerate that process? Based on this logic maybe we should take criminals who have preyed on people over here and drop them off in eastern Wa.so they can be someone else's problem.
Your mixing apples and oranges and over exaggerating.
Of course I was overexaggerating. I just was hoping someone would see how ridiculous it ALL sounds. Thank you for reading it. My point was making your problem someone elses problem too might make you feel better, but it doesn't solve the problem. Do people in NE Wa., believe this is going to solve the issue? I have a difficult time believing they would be that naive. If the point is just to make everyone else eat a turd sandwich because you have to eat one, well that's not very nice.

As far me being against hunters , and the other comment pretty much that northeast Washington should just eat a turd sandwiches , just take one for the team, cause it's not just northeast problem it's gonna be a whole state problem.When there in your backyard,trailcams,hunting areas,ect,I think maybe you will start to feel different .I'm  happy a little that they might move some wolves to the west,YA!.we all live in the state of Washington and we can eat that turd sandwiches together,and all take one for the team.
I didn't say NE Wa. should eat a turd sandwich. I was saying you are already eating one. Why do you want everyone to have to? If wolves move across the mountains of their own accord, which they already are, that's one thing. Spending our tax dollars to make it happen is just ridiculous. Everyone bitched about the wolves being set loose in Yellowstone. Hunters and outfitters knew it was a bad idea. Now hunters are advocating it happen again in our own state? It boggles my mind.

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2018, 03:10:27 PM »
I didn't say NE Wa. should eat a turd sandwich. I was saying you are already eating one. Why do you want everyone to have to? If wolves move across the mountains of their own accord, which they already are, that's one thing. Spending our tax dollars to make it happen is just ridiculous. Everyone bitched about the wolves being set loose in Yellowstone. Hunters and outfitters knew it was a bad idea. Now hunters are advocating it happen again in our own state? It boggles my mind.

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2018, 03:19:26 PM »
I think folks need to put this into perspective. Joel Kretz has been putting this forth for a few years. The kikelyhood of this happening is low.

Play what If after they have been moved... do you think the state will rush to open a hunting season on wolves in the NE?  How long  do you the lawsuits will last? Do you think the department will turn a new leaf and become our bestest buddies and put sportsmen interests first?

Here is a fact. 3 more breading pairs anywhere in the state for 3 years, or 2 in the S Cascades.  If the department really wanted to they could have found 3 more in the N cascades. Even if they do it this spring we have to wait 3 years.

Importing wolves on a hope and a prayer is bad strategy. I guarantee you that those promoting predators are using strategy.

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2018, 03:20:15 PM »
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2018, 03:29:05 PM »
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2018, 05:06:20 PM »
Seattle is the last place they will go. All the cougar management areas around the Greater Seattle area have no quotas. That ought to tell you something about how the Department views predators around Seattle.

To me, pretty much everything on that side of the mountain is Seattle  :chuckle:   Pretty common thought with the folks out here.  I know better, but it's stuck.

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2018, 05:15:39 PM »
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!

We already have them, 3-4 years I figure 5-6 packs on this side from Canadian border south to Seattle area.

The peninsula is going to take a lot longer.  :twocents:
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2018, 05:21:55 PM »
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!

We already have them, 3-4 years I figure 5-6 packs on this side from Canadian border south to Seattle area.

The peninsula is going to take a lot longer.  :twocents:

It's been a while since I viewed the wolf plan but I have read the entire plan in the past and if I remember correctly we need at least three packs that produce surviving pups three years in a row in each area of the state, the westside is one area, I could be wrong but don't remember that there was a distinction that the Peninsula had to have wolves if the westside had three breeding packs for three consecutive years.
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2018, 05:24:50 PM »
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!

We already have them, 3-4 years I figure 5-6 packs on this side from Canadian border south to Seattle area.

The peninsula is going to take a lot longer.  :twocents:

It's been a while since I viewed the wolf plan but I have read the entire plan in the past and if I remember correctly we need at least three packs that produce surviving pups three years in a row in each area of the state, the westside is one area, I could be wrong but don't remember that there was a distinction that the Peninsula had to have wolves if the westside had three breeding packs for three consecutive years.

Thatís correct.

I  bet the the numbers explode once they get to the Olympic National Park, lots to eat there.
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2018, 05:37:35 PM »
If you think documenting wolves on the relatively open east side is hard.... how do you think its gonna happen on tye wey side where it is THICK?

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2018, 05:48:52 PM »
If you think documenting wolves on the relatively open east side is hard.... how do you think its gonna happen on tye wey side where it is THICK?

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2018, 05:49:44 PM »
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!
Kretz did an excellent job representing the wolf lovers statewide.  They are having celebratory drinks while we continue to argue.  Symbolic bill that when it passes will set management statewide back decades. Fixing wrongs with wrongs has never been a model of success.  This will eliminate the need to apply pressure where they are federally delisted, well because this is what the northeast (kretz) as well as the farm bureau asked for.  Sad state of affairs and the non consumptive wolf advocates win! (Oh wait, Mitch is a hunter)

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2018, 05:56:57 PM »
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!
Kretz did an excellent job representing the wolf lovers statewide.  They are having celebratory drinks while we continue to argue.  Symbolic bill that when it passes will set management statewide back decades. Fixing wrongs with wrongs has never been a model of success.  This will eliminate the need to apply pressure where they are federally delisted, well because this is what the northeast (kretz) as well as the farm bureau asked for.  Sad state of affairs and the non consumptive wolf advocates win! (Oh wait, Mitch is a hunter)

Management can only happen anywhere in this state if all three areas have 3 breeding pairs of wolves for three consecutive years, or if enough people make enough calls to get the wolf plan changed or over turned!
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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2018, 06:04:29 PM »
I understand that.  This will not be progress, after all the same people who advocated for this bill from a northeast perspective, litigate on behalf of their western Washington constituents.

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2018, 06:10:39 PM »
The problem is the wolf plan, there is no arguing that. This does nothing to help. 

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2018, 06:22:27 PM »
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!

We already have them, 3-4 years I figure 5-6 packs on this side from Canadian border south to Seattle area.

The peninsula is going to take a lot longer.  :twocents:

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Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2018, 07:41:52 PM »
I think moving them west is the best thing we can do,spread the love around a bit. :tup: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Hope it happens sooner than later.

Turn em' loose on the Capitol grounds and give lawmakers the education lesson they deserve!

 

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