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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2009, 07:27:48 PM »

 Yeah that

Any new tax or tax increase makes me worried......I can not beleive it would stay at 1/6 and be used solely for gunranges.....
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2009, 03:53:33 AM »

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It was tried and failed to pass during the late 80's/early 90's (don't remember the exact year).  It was titled Initiative 90, which would have done essentially the same thing as the Missouri bill did.  Unfortunately it didn't get enough support.

Well, I can tell you pretty much why.
When a bunch from the old Game Department came to visit with us at Fishing & Hunting News to extol the virtues of this measure, they sat in the publisher's office and declared that the money would be used to enhance songbird habitat and provide opportunities to do a bunch of non-game stuff, create "watchable wildlife" opportunities, ad infinitum. All of the benefits of this program seemed to emphasize what would be done for the "dickie birds" and "dickie bird lovers" as one of our guys put it.
Pretty much an emphasis on non-consumptive use


There was nothing I can recall that alluded to:

putting 10,000 more elk out there and expanding the hunting opportunities
increasing the deer herds by 40,000 to 50,000 and expanding the hunting opportunities
Boosting hatchery production on steelhead and resident trout
boosting the pheasant, chukar and quail populations in Eastern Washington
introducing wild turkeys (seems to me that had to be done through very creative and clever management swaps and other smart thinking  Wink )
enhancing waterfowl habitat and populations

ad infinitum.

Only when we started asking them about "What about boosting the elk and deer populations, increasing pheasant releases" and such that we got a rather tepid "Oh, well, sure, we'll be working on that, too" kind of reaction. It was almost as an afterthought that needed some prodding.

After they left, we sat around staring at one another and sort of asking "What the hell was THAT??!!!"

and it ultimately drifted to "Those guys are NUTS!" with a few expletives tossed in here and there

It was, I gotta tell you, one of the damnedest conversations I ever sat through.


I'm not saying this would not have been a good idea. It may have been a grand idea. But it was sold poorly to the user group that really should have embraced the plan. Instead we were given a presentation about how all that money would allow the department to essentially crap all over consumptive users and provide spending opportunities to a bunch of fur huggers.

Well, I think there is some feeling out in the hinterlands that happened anyway  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2009, 04:33:52 AM »

There's not to many places to shoot overhere. I have a place to shoot on State land the garbage got so bad they took truck loads off and burmed up the roads. These white trash people are going to screw us all.
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2009, 05:04:47 AM »

Thanks for the inside scoop Dave, that's exactly what I figured.

Too many of our WDFW are more interested in pleasing the hugger crowd. I think shooters have a much better chance of getting a meaningful and lasting answer to the westside shooting range problem by getting groups like SCI NWTF or NRA to work out some kind of plan with the USFS or timber companies. If WDFW were involved in the planning I honestly do not see how the plan could remain focused on shooting sites. WDFW would want some other contingencies, they are unable to even keep fish hatcheries open.

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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2009, 05:23:06 AM »

Exactly.
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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2009, 06:17:00 AM »

"Well, I think there is some feeling out in the hinterlands that happened anyway"  Roll Eyes


Sure seems like it.....all those "watchable" wildlife things you mentioned happened without it.  Might add...and it happened at the expense of.....I'll let you fill in the blanks. Bash 
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2009, 07:26:54 AM »

  These aren't necessarily just shooters that are littering, I only target shoot at the range myself, but I know this is the case on lands I hunt that have a litter problem. A lot of the garbage is from tweakers, then you get kids going out there and shooting at it in a lot of cases, I've seen it where I hunt in more than one area. Another case of lack of enforcement where everyone loses.
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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2009, 06:25:59 PM »

Seems we're all on the same page on this one, I just wish for future's sake that some shooting ranges could be put in place for people to use on the westside.
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2009, 11:05:50 AM »

To late for some places, this was in the Seattle times this morning:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009408357_webtargetshooting01m.html

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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2009, 11:39:29 AM »

alchase thanks for adding the link, this really could grow into a serious issue with any forest supervisor having the ability to close forest areas. I think the national legislation proposed at the beginning of this thread addresses this issue, I just don't know if it can get somewhere in out liberal congress.

The political pendulum just keeps swinging farther and farther left. With Frankin in, the dems can ramrod just about anything they want.

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