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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2009, 08:32:30 AM »
Yes Kain it doesn't matter if your bait was intended for Deer or anything else.You shoot a Bear over it and a Warden finds out your gonna get in trouble.

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2009, 08:34:53 AM »
Yes Kain it doesn't matter if your bait was intended for Deer or anything else.You shoot a Bear over it and a Warden finds out your gonna get in trouble.

Yes I totally agree.  The point I was making was the "intend" to hunt bear over it.  How would they prove that?  So until you actually kill one are you breaking the law or not?  Thats what I was trying to say.  Bearmanric was saying that Officer Mark James says no baiting at all even for trail cameras.

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2009, 08:37:45 AM »
i'm not trying to start trouble i asked i wanted to know. i'm not saying any more. Rick
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2009, 08:43:05 AM »
i'm not trying to start trouble i asked i wanted to know. i'm not saying any more. Rick

I would have asked also thanks for checking on it for us.  Sorry I thread jacked.  

LongTat,  a good friend would have shot that little bear then picked all the berries in the area and peed all over (in that order...some of you guys need to be told these things  :chuckle: ).  Then laughed at your buddies sore ass after he wasted a whole day out there on stand.   :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2009, 11:58:02 AM »
We are not hunting in the area I was getting pics from.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2009, 12:04:14 PM by catwithboost »

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2009, 05:11:11 PM »
Yes Kain it doesn't matter if your bait was intended for Deer or anything else.You shoot a Bear over it and a Warden finds out your gonna get in trouble.

Yes I totally agree.  The point I was making was the "intend" to hunt bear over it.  How would they prove that?  So until you actually kill one are you breaking the law or not?  Thats what I was trying to say.  Bearmanric was saying that Officer Mark James says no baiting at all even for trail cameras.

Rick is correct. You can NOT bait for trail cams, even in the off season.

This was one of two questions I asked the officer when he checked us at our rigs.

I also asked if it was legal to wear elk cover scent and call for bears and was told no. It is against the law to use "attractants".

I stopped short of asking about calls being an attractant.




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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2009, 05:30:48 PM »
To roll it up, If you are baiting deer and elk to a trail cam, and a bear happens to come in, there is nothing you can do about that. However, If it was me, I would not show pictures of bear over a bait on trail cam on an open public forum like this one. You never know who is looking. The only way for you to prevent a bear ever coming to your deer and elk bait is to not bait at all or use a bait that a bear would not be attracted to.  It is a very tough call and even the enforcement officers admit that you can't keep a bear from coming to a legally baited deer or elk location. I suppose that self discipline is the only way to deal with it. Ignore the bears and focus on the deer and elk for your season targets.
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2009, 06:04:20 PM »
Bottom line is you can not bait bears period.
If a bear is hanging around your camera you are better off moving the camera.
And you definately don't want to hunt near the area.




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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2009, 06:12:54 PM »
Elk cover scent =  attractant?????
This state is worse than I thought.

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2009, 06:15:50 PM »
Rick is correct. You can NOT bait for trail cams, even in the off season.

This was one of two questions I asked the officer when he checked us at our rigs.

I also asked if it was legal to wear elk cover scent and call for bears and was told no. It is against the law to use "attractants".

I stopped short of asking about calls being an attractant.

I am not trying to be arguementative or anything but I am wondering what you guys think about this.  Did you ask him to point to what law they are using to justify making that statement?  A blanket statement saying that baiting for trail cameras is illegal seems fishy to me.  I personally dont have any trail cams and I dont hunt over baits.  But I do really enjoy seeing all the bear pics from our trail cam forum.  I am just wondering if you guys are ok with them making something illegal that is not stated in the RCW's.  Sounds to me like they are legislating from the field.   :dunno:  The RCW is so vague and leaves so much room for interpretation but this seems a little far out there to me.


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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2009, 06:16:20 PM »
Bottom line is you can not bait bears period.
If a bear is hanging around your camera you are better off moving the camera.
And you definately don't want to hunt near the area.

Bear hanging around a Cam is perfectly okay as long as bait is not involved. The relevant is attractant. If you are attracting a bear to a trail cam, it is not legal. If you just have a Cam hung up on a trail and get pictures of bears, no law has been violated. as stated before, if the bait you use for der and elk also attracts bears then you are liable to be cited if they catch you.   Attract/attractant/ is the key wording
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2009, 06:18:42 PM »
Plain and simple we are not hunting around where my cam was set up earlier. So everyone chill out!!!!

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2009, 06:19:05 PM »
Rick is correct. You can NOT bait for trail cams, even in the off season.

This was one of two questions I asked the officer when he checked us at our rigs.

I also asked if it was legal to wear elk cover scent and call for bears and was told no. It is against the law to use "attractants".

I stopped short of asking about calls being an attractant.

I am not trying to be arguementative or anything but I am wondering what you guys think about this.  Did you ask him to point to what law they are using to justify making that statement?  A blanket statement saying that baiting for trail cameras is illegal seems fishy to me.  I personally dont have any trail cams and I dont hunt over baits.  But I do really enjoy seeing all the bear pics from our trail cam forum.  I am just wondering if you guys are ok with them making something illegal that is not stated in the RCW's.  Sounds to me like they are legislating from the field.   :dunno:  The RCW is so vague and leaves so much room for interpretation but this seems a little far out there to me.





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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2009, 06:20:27 PM »
Bottom line is you can not bait bears period.
If a bear is hanging around your camera you are better off moving the camera.
And you definately don't want to hunt near the area.

Bear hanging around a Cam is perfectly okay as long as bait is not involved.

No *censored*.  :dunno: What do you think we have been talking about....bait and cams.




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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2009, 06:22:05 PM »
Bottom line is you can not bait bears period.
If a bear is hanging around your camera you are better off moving the camera.
And you definately don't want to hunt near the area.

Bear hanging around a Cam is perfectly okay as long as bait is not involved. The relevant word is attractant. If you are attracting a bear to a trail cam, it is not legal. If you just have a Cam hung up on a trail and get pictures of bears, no law has been violated. as stated before, if the bait you use for der and elk also attracts bears then you are liable to be cited if they catch you.   Attract/attractant/ is the key wording
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2009, 06:23:34 PM »
The law doesnt say baiting bears is illegal.  It says baiting bears is illegal if you hunt or intend to hunt over it.  It also says baiting for the purpose of attracting bears is not ok.  I am being technical here but thats what laws are.  

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2009, 06:25:55 PM »
Correct Adna..

Straight from 655.
"it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait."




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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2009, 06:27:04 PM »
Correct Adna..

Straight from 655.
"it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait."

Now that is more exact.  What is 655?

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2009, 06:27:29 PM »
The law doesnt say baiting bears is illegal.  It says baiting bears is illegal if you hunt or intend to hunt over it.  It also says baiting for the purpose of attracting bears is not ok.  I am being technical here but thats what laws are.  

Doggone it Kain...if your deer or elk bait also attracts a bear to your cam, then it is illegal. A cam with no bait is fine for any animal. A cam is not considered an attractant by itself.
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2009, 06:29:12 PM »
Correct Adna..

Straight from 655.
"it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait."

Now that is more exact.  What is 655?


Initiative 655 ended baiting, and hound hunting for bear.

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2009, 06:29:42 PM »
Rick is correct. You can NOT bait for trail cams, even in the off season.

This was one of two questions I asked the officer when he checked us at our rigs.

I also asked if it was legal to wear elk cover scent and call for bears and was told no. It is against the law to use "attractants".

I stopped short of asking about calls being an attractant.

I am not trying to be arguementative or anything but I am wondering what you guys think about this.  Did you ask him to point to what law they are using to justify making that statement?  A blanket statement saying that baiting for trail cameras is illegal seems fishy to me.  I personally dont have any trail cams and I dont hunt over baits.  But I do really enjoy seeing all the bear pics from our trail cam forum.  I am just wondering if you guys are ok with them making something illegal that is not stated in the RCW's.  Sounds to me like they are legislating from the field.   :dunno:  The RCW is so vague and leaves so much room for interpretation but this seems a little far out there to me.





Baiting bear is baiting bear. Purpose doesn't matter.

this is how I interpret the law...and since most using trail cams are seeking game intending to hunt said game then if looking for bears NO bait would be my rule and bait is attracting a bear to a cam so again within the intent of the law if you ask me.....I do however think there is a grey area.....IF I am carrying snacks in my daypack...say fig newtons and chocolate bars   both decent snacks but also decent bait...I am hunting bears should I leave my food in my car so as not to even bring up the possibility of the food being construed as bait..... :dunno: this occurred to me a couple of times recently .....
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2009, 06:30:01 PM »
The law doesnt say baiting bears is illegal.  It says baiting bears is illegal if you hunt or intend to hunt over it.  It also says baiting for the purpose of attracting bears is not ok.  I am being technical here but thats what laws are.  

Doggone it Kain...if your deer or elk bait also attracts a bear to your cam, then it is illegal. A cam with no bait is fine for any animal. A cam is not considered an attractant by itself.

I guess if you ask questions on this site you are just asking to get killbilly ticked off at you.  Try to chill out.  I am only trying to clarify.  BTKR pointed to what I was looking for.

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2009, 06:31:50 PM »
Correct Adna..

Straight from 655.
"it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait."

Now that is more exact.  What is 655?

http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/1997-98/Pdf/Bills/Session%20Law%201997/INITIATIVE%20655.SL.pdf




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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2009, 06:33:07 PM »
So effectively they have made all baiting illegal in this state by interpreting the law this way.  Since bears are omnivorous they can say any bait would attract bears and thus be illegal any where there are bears.

Thanks BTKR.  I just like to see stuff in writing sorry to get anyone upset.

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2009, 06:36:35 PM »
Elk cover scent =  attractant?????
This state is worse than I thought.

Unfortunately I have gotten the same answer 3 out of 5 times I have asked.  :bash:
One time I got a "your fine", and another was "it would be up to the officer".  :bash:




 

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