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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2009, 06:37:30 PM »
runamuk be careful out there with FIG NEWTONS and CHOCOLATE BARS.
You might bait me in. :chuckle:

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2009, 06:38:48 PM »
"It would be up to the officer" is the one that always pisses me off the most :bash:

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2009, 06:39:29 PM »
runamuk be careful out there with FIG NEWTONS and CHOCOLATE BARS.
You might bait me in. :chuckle:

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2009, 06:41:33 PM »
So effectively they have made all baiting illegal in this state by interpreting the law this way.  Since bears are omnivorous they can say any bait would attract bears and thus be illegal any where there are bears.

Thanks BTKR.  I just like to see stuff in writing sorry to get anyone upset.

No problems. It can get heated because everyone has their own interpretations, including F&G, and it seems like no matter how many times we mention it, someone wants to disagree or plead their case as to why they think they can break the law.

This is exactly why we need to stick together and keep the legal activities we currently have. Baiting deer for example, even just for cams. If they outlaw hunting over bait for deer then that would effectively outlaw baiting deer for cams.




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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2009, 06:43:12 PM »
runamuk be careful out there with FIG NEWTONS and CHOCOLATE BARS.
You might bait me in. :chuckle:

She baited me out the other night, but I didn't see no Figs or Newtons.  :yike:




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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2009, 06:45:44 PM »
So effectively they have made all baiting illegal in this state by interpreting the law this way.  Since bears are omnivorous they can say any bait would attract bears and thus be illegal any where there are bears.

Thanks BTKR.  I just like to see stuff in writing sorry to get anyone upset.

No problems. It can get heated because everyone has their own interpretations, including F&G, and it seems like no matter how many times we mention it, someone wants to disagree or plead their case as to why they think they can break the law.

This is exactly why we need to stick together and keep the legal activities we currently have. Baiting deer for example, even just for cams. If they outlaw hunting over bait for deer then that would effectively outlaw baiting deer for cams.

Just to play this out isnt baiting for deer already illegal?  There is nothing you can use to bait for deer that would not possibly "attract" a black bear.  And as stated above
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it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait.

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2009, 06:46:05 PM »
runamuk be careful out there with FIG NEWTONS and CHOCOLATE BARS.
You might bait me in. :chuckle:

She baited me out the other night, but I didn't see no Figs or Newtons.  :yike:


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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2009, 06:48:52 PM »
runamuk be careful out there with FIG NEWTONS and CHOCOLATE BARS.
You might bait me in. :chuckle:

She baited me out the other night, but I didn't see no Figs or Newtons.  :yike:

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naw I bait bear hunters with sightings of big bears ;)
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #58 on: August 05, 2009, 06:49:56 PM »
Kain - Baiting deer is currently legal, but if guys are using it as a ruse to bait bears then you can bet it will be outlawed.

If you are legally baiting deer in an area where there are no bear, how could you possibly attract bear?






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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #59 on: August 05, 2009, 06:57:26 PM »


naw I bait bear hunters with sightings of big bears ;)

I want to meet the brainiac that told you there were bears in there. :chuckle:




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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2009, 07:05:08 PM »
Kain - Baiting deer is currently legal, but if guys are using it as a ruse to bait bears then you can bet it will be outlawed.

If you are legally baiting deer in an area where there are no bear, how could you possibly attract bear?




I am just throwing this out there for discussion.  My question is a hypothetical based on the topic we are discussing.  I am not trying to find a way around the law prohibiting baiting for bears.  I am trying to point out that the law preventing you from baiting a trail cam is the same they could use to prevent you from baiting anything that might attract a bear.  Thus making all baiting illegal in any area where there are bears.

If you are legally hunting deer over bait, and there are bears in the area, doesn't the possibility of attracting a bear make it illegal?  We all know (or should know) that shooting a bear over bait is illegal even if it was meant for something else.

You cant bait a trail cam for deer because it might attract a bear.
You cant bait for deer because it might attract a bear.

Technically there is no more chance of attracting a bear to either one.  Either one can be said to be for deer.  One is illegal and one is not?
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2009, 07:07:50 PM »
All I can tell you is. Unfortunately in this state. It is up to the man with the ticket book. Then you have to prove your innocence.

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2009, 07:16:48 PM »
I understand what you are saying and I think it is one of the variables that could get people in trouble.

Legally it is ok to bait deer. You are saying a deer bait "might" attract a bear. If no bear are attracted then you are ok. If it attracts a bear then you should probably move on.

If it were me...
For a deer cam I would stick with deer type baits...not donuts, filling, or meat.
For a bob/coug cam I would use meat or bones... not donuts, filling, etc.

If a bear came into one of the above more then a couple times then I would switch baits or pull the cams.





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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #63 on: August 05, 2009, 07:22:14 PM »
Good advice.  I am just afraid that this is the kind of thing that can be used in the wrong way by both hunters and enforcement.  I dont like grey areas in laws.  I do not feel the law was intended to prevent you from baiting trail cameras but that is how they are using it.  I can also see where the abuse can come in on the hunter side. 
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #64 on: August 05, 2009, 09:32:33 PM »
Runamuk, I think the F&G officers expect hunters to bring some type of food with them.Either a couple snacks or a lunch.  I think if you are carrying 10lbs of steak, jelly donuts, Jam's, orJellies out in your pack they may question you.  If you are carrying a couple power bars, a sandwich, jerky, freeze dried meal, small can of fruit, apple, orange, etc, etc I don't think they would mess with you. 

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #65 on: August 05, 2009, 09:59:09 PM »
I never saw deer ever on any of my old bear bait stations, ever...????  I guess deer don't like jello and marshmellows cook to a stinky mess with vanilla extract and molasses added and lots of dripping honey...  Kind of thinking about it, I never saw a deer eating any of the 500lbs of dog food and grease  mix either....      :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #66 on: August 05, 2009, 10:45:26 PM »
Well............ I guess the moral of the story is don't post trail cam pics of bears with bait in the pic, and if you shoot a bear, forget where you shot it?  :dunno: Or show them the deepest, nastiest canyon in the area  :chuckle: Or don't shoot a bear where your trail cam is, and protect yourself.  :con:

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #67 on: August 06, 2009, 12:25:45 AM »
Good job on passing the little one, hopefully you will be rewarded with another oppertunity at a larger bear. On the other hand WDFW would probably consider you hunting near a bee's nest bait!!!!!! :chuckle: Just kidding, I had to throw that out.

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #68 on: August 06, 2009, 05:42:41 AM »
I am so glad my trailcam is defective.
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #69 on: August 06, 2009, 06:03:52 AM »
ITs interesting that you bring up steelhead LTL because sometimes things one here sound or smell oftly fishy.   :)
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #70 on: August 06, 2009, 06:17:26 AM »
No I am tired of your guys *censored*! I am done with this board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not hunting over bait and I do not have my cam in the woods for a week. You all need to get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #71 on: August 06, 2009, 06:23:54 AM »
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Worried a little, or just paranoid
I would say a little edgy for sure since I didn't even know there were pics on this thread since I can't see them at work, or any posted have been removed. LOL   I was just making a general statement and teasing LTL a little.  He did the right thing by not shooting a suckling so I can't tease him about that this year.
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #72 on: August 06, 2009, 06:26:27 AM »
Everyone chill out. Brian is a stand up guy.
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #73 on: August 06, 2009, 06:30:12 AM »
I guess I better go check the recycle bin and see what I am missing.  If I chilled anymore I wouldn't have a pulse.  In fact I need some coffee.  I'm thinking I am missing some content since I didn't know this was even about Cat. 
I do think someone should read backwoods 655 though and he may want to think about his peanut butter cams on here.  :chuckle:
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Re: LongTat did what????????????
« Reply #74 on: August 06, 2009, 06:32:37 AM »
bone, wasn't meaning you, I was referring to the jacked portion of the thread which was inferring unscrupulous activity...
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