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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2010, 09:00:21 AM »
This happened a few months ago, not sure who bought what, but one tribe bought somewhere around 700 acres around the office and lake and another tribe bought around 7,000 acres up high on the Buckley side.  If I remember correctly it was the Mucks and the puyallup's, each bought one or the other, can't remember forsure who bought what, but I think the Mucks bought the land behind the Buckley Gate and the Puyallups got the stuff by the office.


Office? Referring to the Hancock Office?

I know the Puyallups don't have hunting rights in the White River GMU 653 so if a tribe was to buy land their it would be the Mucks. But Mucks have rights in both White River, Puyallup and Mashel GMU's


 The Puyallup's can legally hunt just about anywhere in Western Wa...


That's incorrect.

See the following tribal hunting map:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/tribal/wa_tribal_ceeded_lands.pdf
The Puyallups can only hunt the yellow area. The mucks can hunt the yellow and red areas.

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2010, 09:10:28 AM »
This happened a few months ago, not sure who bought what, but one tribe bought somewhere around 700 acres around the office and lake and another tribe bought around 7,000 acres up high on the Buckley side.  If I remember correctly it was the Mucks and the puyallup's, each bought one or the other, can't remember forsure who bought what, but I think the Mucks bought the land behind the Buckley Gate and the Puyallups got the stuff by the office.


Office? Referring to the Hancock Office?

I know the Puyallups don't have hunting rights in the White River GMU 653 so if a tribe was to buy land their it would be the Mucks. But Mucks have rights in both White River, Puyallup and Mashel GMU's


 The Puyallup's can legally hunt just about anywhere in Western Wa...


That's incorrect.

See the following tribal hunting map:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/tribal/wa_tribal_ceeded_lands.pdf
The Puyallups can only hunt the yellow area. The mucks can hunt the yellow and red areas.

 I have the same map, sent to me by the Federal commissioner of indian affairs, who I have spoken with many times on the tribal fishing and hunting. All a tribe has to do to hunt an area outside the color coded area's is prove that it was previously a 'usual and accustomed' hunting area. The Puyallup's hunted well outside of that area. The color coding is a general guideline, not any kind of hard and fast boundary they have to adhere to. Prior court cases generally determine where the accustomed grounds are historically, unless it sets a new precedent.

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2010, 09:17:13 AM »
 Adding to that, there is such a thing as a "heritage card", a proof of tribal affiliation that one tribe will accept from another tribe and in so doing granting permission's to hunt their own tribal ceded land's. For example, my Ojibwa friend can hunt the Coliville Reservation, but he doesn't as the Ojibwa's have plenty of game on their lands :).

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2010, 09:25:20 AM »
OK don't take this the wrong way if you are native american but this crap could stop any time I met the whites indian I'd ever seen last fall and he was telling me about going up to the entiat area a year ago after season  with some buddies of his and shooting 12 bucks then turning them into jerkey for sale  :bash: :bash: I just about applied for a tag for his ass! If your going to do it respecrt the land like your ancestors and do it with a homemade bow and arrow!!!!!!  If it's because some body kicked you off your land then I want to go and hunt the hanford reservation because before it was out there that was my families land and I should have rights to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :twocents:
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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2010, 10:00:21 AM »
 This recent case set precedent.

- But in August, the state Court of Appeals determined that Donald Ray Buchanan Raymond Louis Buchanan , a member of the Nooksack Tribe in Western Washington harvested elk in the Oak Creek Wildlife Area near Yakima without a state license. Buchanan and his brother and uncle had killed two five-point elk at a feeding station there in January 1995.  The court upheld the Nooksack tribal member's right to hunt in usual and accustomed areas.
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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2010, 10:26:55 AM »
This recent case set precedent.

- But in August, the state Court of Appeals determined that Donald Ray Buchanan Raymond Louis Buchanan , a member of the Nooksack Tribe in Western Washington harvested elk in the Oak Creek Wildlife Area near Yakima without a state license. Buchanan and his brother and uncle had killed two five-point elk at a feeding station there in January 1995.  The court upheld the Nooksack tribal member's right to hunt in usual and accustomed areas.
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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2010, 10:35:27 AM »
must be the incident I've heard about at Oak Creek where a tribal hunter walked up and shot elk right in front of everyone at the feeding station. Talk about a big **** you to everyone thats non native.

One of my hunting buddies is a Yakama, he's only hunted as an American just like the rest of us his whole life, he's never even hunted their res. His father was the same way. They don't want to be associated with any of the tribal bs that takes place on OUR land.
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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2010, 06:51:22 AM »
The last time the white river tree farm came up for sale (when Hancock got it from weyerhauser) the mucks were second highest bidder- you can bet that they will get it next time. There are also numerous other tribes that can hunt the same area, I drew a WR muzzy bull tag last year (1 of 4) and was surrounded by indians with rifles. They were in there 2 months before and after my hunt-and i used 6 points on that tag >:(  I dont know who I hate more, them, or this state..........
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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2010, 12:35:16 PM »
The last time the white river tree farm came up for sale (when Hancock got it from weyerhauser) the mucks were second highest bidder- you can bet that they will get it next time. There are also numerous other tribes that can hunt the same area, I drew a WR muzzy bull tag last year (1 of 4) and was surrounded by indians with rifles. They were in there 2 months before and after my hunt-and i used 6 points on that tag >:(  I dont know who I hate more, them, or this state..........

I think there are a total of 7/8 tribes that can hunt the area.
The Muck's elk season starts September 15, Deer August 1, and Bear/Cougar is year round. Of course you can add in those spur of the moment "religious/ceremonial" hunts which can occur year round.
I honestly would never put in for the White River hunt anymore, and I only live about 25 mins away. Yes there are a couple big boys in their but the tribes slaughter them all. It looks nice seeing there are only a handful of permits but most people don't consider that basically the entire tribe hunts the area as well.

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2010, 01:19:52 PM »
2 deer seasons ago my soon to be father-in-law and i were heading across the bridge at the bridge camp gate when we noticed a guy standing on hwy. 410 with a rifle. So we went up to investagate not sure what was going on, it turned out to be not 1 but 3 to 4 muckleshoot indians and a nice bull. cant say for sure where they shot it but it looked to me that thing crossed the hwy. and they just so happend to see it and shoot it right of the hwy. even if was leagal for you, me and the next guy to do that were is  the sportsmanship and the sense of accomplishment for taking that way.

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2010, 01:25:53 PM »
2 deer seasons ago my soon to be father-in-law and i were heading across the bridge at the bridge camp gate when we noticed a guy standing on hwy. 410 with a rifle. So we went up to investagate not sure what was going on, it turned out to be not 1 but 3 to 4 muckleshoot indians and a nice bull. cant say for sure where they shot it but it looked to me that thing crossed the hwy. and they just so happend to see it and shoot it right of the hwy. even if was leagal for you, me and the next guy to do that were is  the sportsmanship and the sense of accomplishment for taking that way.

Ya it always amazes me that they always claim they need the animal for food, but yet they tend to always shoot the big bulls. Most people believe the young bulls and cows tast even better...Last time I checked they don't eat the antlers...

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2010, 05:25:04 PM »
If you gamble at their casinos, buy their tobacco and/or their fireworks you have willfully helped them fund these types of purchases.

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2010, 07:16:05 PM »
If you gamble at their casinos, buy their tobacco and/or their fireworks you have willfully helped them fund these types of purchases.



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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2010, 08:38:29 PM »
Stirring the pot Loggie Poggie?
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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2010, 09:09:12 PM »
Not trying to stir the pot, just informing people. That way when they try to buy their Hancock pass and they cant, their not standing there pst. Especially those families that have been hunting deer and elk up there for generations now. :P :P

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2010, 10:45:47 PM »
Scrubs is on the right track... FOLLOW THE MONEY!  :bash: Think about it this way Trust land pays NO taxes is completely controlled by the tribe... If i had an ATM that printed $$ like the Mucks do (casino) I would buy up as much land as i could get away with! with the economy down even better..... Do you have any idea how much it costs to put up with all this states regs to run business? Guess what kind of extra margins they can make that joe 6 pack can't! Making money is easy, Keeping it is hard.... With the the GMA and other land grabbing bs land only goes up in value especially on the west side... Hell i wish i was Indian and not for the hunting! (it would be an added bonus however  ;) ) My family tried to start a joint venture with a couple of different tribes because of all the red tape they can eliminate under the right circumstances.... Not all tribes are created equally... WHEN most of the tribes figure it out and or get the scratch together the movers and shakers with have tribes as silent partners guaranteed!
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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2010, 09:44:53 AM »
Since we know what the game is and what the rules are, we can either bitch about it or play ball.
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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2010, 10:52:01 AM »
Got some more news, met a helicopter pilot yesterday and he has been flying for the mucks. why is this important news your probably wondering, well he's been flying mucks over the the handcock property so the can count the elk and deer. their probably getting some numbers so they can have a prize to the muck that shoots the most animals and a prize to the muck that shoots the last animal.

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2010, 03:44:30 PM »
Got some more news, met a helicopter pilot yesterday and he has been flying for the mucks. why is this important news your probably wondering, well he's been flying mucks over the the handcock property so the can count the elk and deer. their probably getting some numbers so they can have a prize to the muck that shoots the most animals and a prize to the muck that shoots the last animal.

They've been doing this for years. The Muck's have an extensive biologicial "research" program in the White River area on both USFS and Hancock land for deer and elk. It's not all that uncommon to see them in the helicoptors counting the animals.

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2010, 09:50:44 PM »
 >:(

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2010, 10:12:28 PM »
I know when I worked for the Campbell Group as a forester at the Kapowsin Tree Fram in 2006 we did Aerial Helicopter flights with our own biologists for elk counts, I donlt believe we ever had any tribal bio's involved then....I have to say that was one of the coolest things I did at work at the tree,  counting elk in the helicopter, can't beat that for a day of work.
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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2010, 07:57:39 PM »
I talked with a buddy who got his hands on the 2009 Muckleshoot Annual Report and in it they describe that in early 2010 they plan on finalizing a purchase of 7,500 acres of Hancock lands to "preserve their hunting rights and to stop the harassement and ticketing of tribal members by state enforcement officers". Too bad I don't have the money to buy up a portion of Hancock land.

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2010, 08:38:42 PM »
The gates and signs are up.  >:(
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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2010, 08:40:42 PM »
What 7500 acres did they purchase?

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Re: Muckleshoots buy Hancock land
« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2010, 08:42:23 PM »
The gates and signs are up.  >:(

lovely. My buddy works for the forest service and he says they spend a lot of time dealing with the mucks and there stupid sh** they do.
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