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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2010, 02:31:55 PM »
Sounds like someone is in bed with Rose! :chuckle:

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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2010, 02:35:18 PM »
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You, your friends and myself are definitely not all in this together.


Again you misunderstood, I did not mean "we" are together on the issue, obviously "we" are not.
I meant we are all going to get wolves, you, me, the others who posted (including cosmic rose), and anyone else who lives in any state close to wolf country.

Lowedog as hard as it may be for you to understand this, I used to think as recently as this spring that a managed population of wolves would be acceptable. I am fast learning that I am probably going to be forced to be completely against wolves because the other side does not want to meet in the middle.

One of these days you may realize this if you study the issue. The other side wants wolves to replace all hunters and they do not want a compromise.  ;)

THAT IS ANOTHER FACT, whether you like it or not. :twocents:

I do not plan on handing them our game herds and our lifestyle on a silver platter to butcher as they please.....
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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2010, 02:49:22 PM »
Bearpaw, you talk like I don't understand what is going on with wolves.  They are just a tool being used by both sides of this issue.  I have studied the issue enough to know where each side is coming from and neither of them represent me.  What I am seeing more of from your side is bullying and intimidation to get what you want.  I don't like that tactic. 

And finnman, is that the best you got?  :rolleyes:

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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2010, 03:01:28 PM »
  Bearpaw it's no use arguing with a :tree1:
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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2010, 03:12:30 PM »
Lowedog...  I would like to know where you stand on the subject.  If you do not agree with either side (Pro-wolf or proper management)  Is there another side that I am not seeing here with all the wolf discussions?

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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2010, 03:14:58 PM »
Lowedog...  I would like to know where you stand on the subject.  If you do not agree with either side (Pro-wolf or proper management)  Is there another side that I am not seeing here with all the wolf discussions?

he's pro wolf... he just won't come out and say it. he say's he's in the middle but everytime someone brings up a wolf issue there he is taking the pro wolf side...
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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2010, 03:19:18 PM »
Lowedog, I am very sorry if you feel I have bullied you, that was not my intention.   :bdid:

I'm not sure I see how I am "using wolves", or how anyone else is "using wolves" when we simply want to live a peaceful life without them.
But since wolves have been forced upon us, my intention is to inform people about what wolves do, and to back up what I say with facts.  :)

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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2010, 04:18:23 PM »
  Bearpaw it's no use arguing with a :tree1:

Lowedog...  I would like to know where you stand on the subject.  If you do not agree with either side (Pro-wolf or proper management)  Is there another side that I am not seeing here with all the wolf discussions?

he's pro wolf... he just won't come out and say it. he say's he's in the middle but everytime someone brings up a wolf issue there he is taking the pro wolf side...

The problem with these conversations is that there is no 2 sides when the anti-wolf crowd gets involved here. You're either with them or you suck and you're pro-wolf. I tried for a while and it's useless. I haven't posted on a wolf topic on here in a while and this will be my last. The anti-wolf side on here like wolfbait are not interested in any other side of the discussion except their own. I would guarantee you that Lowedog is not pro-wolf...probably more along the same lines as me. I would almost guarantee that he thinks along the lines of logical thinking. Thoughts like if we want to work towards delisting, the wolf sightings need to be reported and not blown off like most do.
Some of you guys should open your eyes a little and think logically and patiently.
All the talk about illegally transplanted wolves yet nobody has ever produced proof of it yet and it's been going on for a couple years. Quit flapping your gums about illegally transplanted wolves unless you have some proof. We were promised it a couple years ago and still nothing. Your arguments are pointless till there is proof.
I'm all for delisting and management by hunting and other more effective means for the record, but we got to get together on this and not call everyone a tree hugger or a pro-wolf'er everytime they disagree with the kill-em-all crowd.
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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2010, 04:22:19 PM »
Lowedog...  I would like to know where you stand on the subject.  If you do not agree with either side (Pro-wolf or proper management)  Is there another side that I am not seeing here with all the wolf discussions?


he's pro wolf... he just won't come out and say it. he say's he's in the middle but everytime someone brings up a wolf issue there he is taking the pro wolf side...




grundy, its nice that you want to speak for me but maybe you should read some of my posts on the subject before you do so you might actually know what you are talking about. 

If you can show me where I have taken a pro wolf side on this please do so.


coop, I am pro management which to me does not mean eradication.  If you have read much of Bearpaws and others position they want no wolves which would mean eradication.  I think they need to be delisted and that the latest ruling by Malloy has turned the ESA into a farce that is now used as a political tool.  I think each state should be given the right to manage wolves how they see fit. 

Lowedog, I am very sorry if you feel I have bullied you, that was not my intention.   :bdid:

I'm not sure I see how I am "using wolves", or how anyone else is "using wolves" when we simply want to live a peaceful life without them.
But since wolves have been forced upon us, my intention is to inform people about what wolves do, and to back up what I say with facts.  :)

Here's a new link for you to watch, and feel free to participate, it's a public forum.

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http://www.methownet.com/bulletinboard.html


Bearpaw, I don't feel I have been bullied by you or anyone else.  I actually shouldn't lump you in with some of those that you associate with on the wolf issue.  If anyone read through the posts on the link I provided they would probably have seen what I am referring to about bullying and insults.  To me that is just a pathetic tactic to use to try and get your point across and will push more "neutral" people away from your point of view.  This FreeCoyote (Todd Fross) admitted that he was summoned there to "deal" with CosmicRose.  These people from other states went out of their way to join this small community bulletin board to insult and harass some woman that lives in the Methow just because she doesn't share their point of view. 

I have to admit though that I didn't see any insults from you Bearpaw.  You did actually post up strong eveidence. 

That was my whole point of this thread.  It is said all the time that the greenies are the extremist.  In my point of view there are some pretty extreme people on both sides. 

If people want to eradicate introduced wolves then so be it.  There were wolves already established in some areas so how are you going to differentiate which are which?  Regarding the wolves in the Methow, until someone proves that wolves were or are being introduced there then I will have to assume that those wolves came there naturally from BC. 
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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2010, 04:25:53 PM »
Sorry to leave you hanging Lowedog (I was out petting my tamed canadian gray wolves!  :) ).  I agree with Jackelope on this one.  It's to the point now that arguing and bickering is doing no good.  On both sides (pro and anti wolf) logic and reason has been replaced with posturing and rhetoric.  The proper management action is likely somewhere in the middle of the two polar opposites...where you appear to be. 

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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2010, 05:12:43 PM »
  Bearpaw it's no use arguing with a :tree1:

Lowedog...  I would like to know where you stand on the subject.  If you do not agree with either side (Pro-wolf or proper management)  Is there another side that I am not seeing here with all the wolf discussions?

he's pro wolf... he just won't come out and say it. he say's he's in the middle but everytime someone brings up a wolf issue there he is taking the pro wolf side...

The problem with these conversations is that there is no 2 sides when the anti-wolf crowd gets involved here. You're either with them or you suck and you're pro-wolf. I tried for a while and it's useless. I haven't posted on a wolf topic on here in a while and this will be my last. The anti-wolf side on here like wolfbait are not interested in any other side of the discussion except their own. I would guarantee you that Lowedog is not pro-wolf...probably more along the same lines as me. I would almost guarantee that he thinks along the lines of logical thinking. Thoughts like if we want to work towards delisting, the wolf sightings need to be reported and not blown off like most do.
Some of you guys should open your eyes a little and think logically and patiently.
All the talk about illegally transplanted wolves yet nobody has ever produced proof of it yet and it's been going on for a couple years. Quit flapping your gums about illegally transplanted wolves unless you have some proof. We were promised it a couple years ago and still nothing. Your arguments are pointless till there is proof.
I'm all for delisting and management by hunting and other more effective means for the record, but we got to get together on this and not call everyone a tree hugger or a pro-wolf'er everytime they disagree with the kill-em-all crowd.


I have never once said they were transplanted in Washington. But they are here now. The only thing patience is going to get you is a repeat of Idaho. The next thing you know we will be in the same position fighting reactively to a already bad situation . We have to be proactive. To each his own but don't think for a minute that sitting back and doing nothing is going to help anything.
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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2010, 05:14:30 PM »
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The only reason Scott fitkin get HIRED AS BIOLGOLIST PROWOLF  with all LIES to save their money not to pay Rancher for their Loss Livestock and afraid they MAY to order Wolf Deperation Control! But...........  I read He said as Scott Fitkin HIRED TWO FEILD AGENT SAMEDAY at Scene and to tracking Wolves pack use VHS Collar on two wolves that way FEILD AGENT can PUSH THEM out DIRECTION FROM THOSE Scene to say ITS NOT WOLVES.  No Wonder why they are completely PROTECTING Wolves for USFWS......

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As for wolves, this has the makings of a disaster and others can probably speak to this better than me, but it appears that the WDFW is gradually working toward a management scenario in which they severely restrict hunting in order to provide a prey base for the wolves.

It would not bother me at all if the wolves suddenly went back to the Mother Ship. They are not endangered. There are thousands of them and the fact that most of them live in Canada is T.S.  :crap:

Those who want wolves by the thousands are  :liar:

I suspect, without evidence, that these animals were illegally introduced, perhaps as far back as a decade or more when the Clinton admin was illegally diverting USFWS-managed Pittman Robertson funds for all kinds of crap that had nothing to do with federal aid to wildlife programs.  

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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2010, 05:23:03 PM »
  Bearpaw it's no use arguing with a :tree1:

Lowedog...  I would like to know where you stand on the subject.  If you do not agree with either side (Pro-wolf or proper management)  Is there another side that I am not seeing here with all the wolf discussions?

he's pro wolf... he just won't come out and say it. he say's he's in the middle but everytime someone brings up a wolf issue there he is taking the pro wolf side...

The problem with these conversations is that there is no 2 sides when the anti-wolf crowd gets involved here. You're either with them or you suck and you're pro-wolf. I tried for a while and it's useless. I haven't posted on a wolf topic on here in a while and this will be my last. The anti-wolf side on here like wolfbait are not interested in any other side of the discussion except their own. I would guarantee you that Lowedog is not pro-wolf...probably more along the same lines as me. I would almost guarantee that he thinks along the lines of logical thinking. Thoughts like if we want to work towards delisting, the wolf sightings need to be reported and not blown off like most do.
Some of you guys should open your eyes a little and think logically and patiently.
All the talk about illegally transplanted wolves yet nobody has ever produced proof of it yet and it's been going on for a couple years. Quit flapping your gums about illegally transplanted wolves unless you have some proof. We were promised it a couple years ago and still nothing. Your arguments are pointless till there is proof.
I'm all for delisting and management by hunting and other more effective means for the record, but we got to get together on this and not call everyone a tree hugger or a pro-wolf'er everytime they disagree with the kill-em-all crowd.


I have never once said they were transplanted in Washington. But they are here now. The only thing patience is going to get you is a repeat of Idaho. The next thing you know we will be in the same position fighting reactively to a already bad situation . We have to be proactive. To each his own but don't think for a minute that sitting back and doing nothing is going to help anything.

1-Nobody said it was you who was talking about them being illegally transplanted.

2-Nobody said anything about sitting back and doing nothing.

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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2010, 05:32:40 PM »
Lowedog I think you went on a witch hunt with this thread from the beginning and I let it go. I played your game as nicely as anyone would, but then when you sounded like a greenie protecting a greenie, you sucked some of the guys into calling you a greenie, so you have no sympathy from me. :twocents:

I THINK YOU WENT FISHING FOR IT.....

That woman cosmic rose was no more innocent than longshot. She did more than her share of antagonizing and longshot let a lot of it go by, when she was showed up by some hard facts from other states, then she tried to throw a guilt trip on us, which you apparently fell for. The thread is gone, but she was as guilty as anyone for antagonizing others, she was after longshot in nearly every post.

The "whatever is acceptable word to call" groups will not meet in the middle. They call us killers and attack us all the time. I get email from the greenies every day http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,48806.msg701756.html#msg701756    (those are only the few that I choose to show everyone)

I don't ask them to watch my videos, it's their choice, and then they threaten me. I don't watch their videos and then threaten to shoot them.

So get out of our faces that we are somehow bullying the greenies, they are the ones sending email every day threatening to shoot people. They are the ones attacking hunting and promoting wolves (which they have no intention of ever managing) to kill off our game herds so they can end hunting.
(that is where it's headed, they even say it's their goal)

I really think you need to think about how it appears to the guys you are critisizing.   :twocents:   :) :) :) :)
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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2010, 05:37:38 PM »
Lowedog I think you went on a witch hunt with this thread from the beginning and I let it go. I played your game as nicely as anyone would, but then when you sounded like a greenie protecting a greenie, you sucked some of the guys into calling you a greenie, so you have no sympathy from me. :twocents:

I THINK YOU WENT FISHING FOR IT.....

That woman cosmic rose was no more innocent than longshot. She did more than her share of antagonizing and longshot let a lot of it go by, when she was showed up by some hard facts from other states, then she tried to throw a guilt trip on us, which you apparently fell for. The thread is gone, but she was as guilty as anyone for antagonizing others, she was after longshot in nearly every post.

The "whatever is acceptable word to call" groups will not meet in the middle. They call us killers and attack us all the time. I get email from the greenies every day http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,48806.msg701756.html#msg701756    (those are only the few that I choose to show everyone)

I don't ask them to watch my videos, it's their choice, and then they threaten me. I don't watch their videos and then threaten to shoot them.

So get out of our faces that we are somehow bullying the greenies, they are the ones sending email every day threatening to shoot people. They are the ones attacking hunting and trying to plant wolves (which they have no intention of ever managing) to kill off our game herds so they can end hunting.
(that is where it's headed, they even say it's their goal)

I really think you need to think about how it appears to the guys you are critisizing.   :twocents:   :) :) :) :)


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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2010, 05:48:38 PM »
A good friend shared this comment with me recently:


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Wolves have their place in Washington state....





































Buried in a ditch.

LOL.

I believe the USFWS has exemplified along with the federal court systems their complete abuse of authority, an inability to protect citizens' rights, property and best interest when it comes to wolves. Whether it is moving the goal line as the wolf recovery started until now, inability to accurately forecast the impact on existing wildlife populations, inability to contain or estimate wolf damages, or subversion of law and morals. Including in and out of the courts. All are prime examples of what has been done wrong when it comes to wolf re-introduction. 

Even discarding the thought that wolves are planted, relocated or whatever... we can see how the government has failed in many ways. Including working between state and federal agencies. That line has been the source of many problems in the past.

The wolf is not an endangered species and I generally concur with the idea (as it is a stated goal) that pro wolf organizations plan to use this tool/reintroction of wolves to end hunting.

Since wolves cannot be delisted and since they are also not really endangered then I don't see how someone could call another a poacher if they took down a wolf. Especially if they do not know the entire circumstances. At any rate you can "what if" that idea until you are dead. It's kind of a name calling argument if you will.

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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2010, 05:54:29 PM »
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The only reason Scott fitkin get HIRED AS BIOLGOLIST PROWOLF  with all LIES to save their money not to pay Rancher for their Loss Livestock and afraid they MAY to order Wolf Deperation Control! But...........  I read He said as Scott Fitkin HIRED TWO FEILD AGENT SAMEDAY at Scene and to tracking Wolves pack use VHS Collar on two wolves that way FEILD AGENT can PUSH THEM out DIRECTION FROM THOSE Scene to say ITS NOT WOLVES.  No Wonder why they are completely PROTECTING Wolves for USFWS......

Mulehunter  

I caught you dave workman said you didnt understand this. before Jackelope change your post... Yes I need to re- read before click sent...  Here I will say again better this time.

Yes I spell wrong I will correct Field....

First of all. 

Guy from Okanagon County Officer name CAL the Gamedept said ITS WOLF KILL..... when He arrival But  Biologlist arrival later and DISAGREED WITH OTHER OFFICER CAL.... So  Scott Fitkin contact two field agents to get their Wolves Collar signal by use Tracking Radio and Antenna and they went up in mountain. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE WORKING IN MOUNTAIN.... Obviouly they knew Wolves are VERY CLOSE to those Cow kill. So what happen those Field Agent zipper mouth start to walking out toward to where Pack are by use Antenna and keep pushing and pushing and going whole the day and few days later.... They came back with RESULT of saying Wolves arent around here.  GO figure...... No wonder why Scott fitkin doesnt want to HELP LARRY with their LOSS COW and Birth Calf. Plus I believe Scott Fitkin Loves his job and his FIRST Wolves Pack in MANY MANY YEARS as CAREER and doesnt want to get order Wolf Deperation Control to removel Pack.

Seem like they are thinking very smart thing to fool ALL OF US!


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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2010, 05:56:25 PM »
Quote from: Ray link=top :Pic=57264.msg705481#msg705481 date=1285030118
A good friend shared this comment with me recently:


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Wolves have their place in Washington state....





































Buried in a ditch.

LOL.

I believe the USFWS has exemplified along with the federal court systems their complete abuse of authority, an inability to protect citizens' rights, property and best interest when it comes to wolves. Whether it is moving the goal line as the wolf  :chuckle:recovery started until now, inability to accurately forecast the impact on existing wildlife populations, inability to contain or estimate wolf damages, or subversion of law and morals. Including in and out of the courts. All are prime examples of what has been done wrong when it comes to wolf re-introduction. 

Even discarding the thought that wolves are planted, relocated or whatever... we can see how the government has failed in many ways. Including working between state and federal agencies. That line has been the source of many problems in the past.

The wolf is not an endangered species and I generally concur with the idea (as it is a stated goal) that pro wolf organizations plan to use this tool/reintroction of wolves to end hunting.

Since wolves cannot be delisted and since they are also not really endangered then I don't see how someone could call another a poacher if they took down a wolf. Especially if they do not know the entire circumstances. At any rate you can "what if" that idea until you are dead. It's kind of a name calling argument if you will.

You have a very smart friend  :chuckle: and you pretty much nailed it with the governments complete inability to manage these wolves properly. :bash:
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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2010, 05:59:10 PM »
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Scott Fitkin Loves his job and his FIRST Wolves Pack in MANY MANY YEARS as CAREER and doesnt want to get order Wolf Deperation Control to removel Pack.

I don't know this fellow and I am not slandering him. Aside from him I know that there are those inside the government who see to it that their job security is well guarded and will find many ways to guard their careers. That's not an outlandish claim.

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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2010, 06:05:49 PM »
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Scott Fitkin Loves his job and his FIRST Wolves Pack in MANY MANY YEARS as CAREER and doesnt want to get order Wolf Deperation Control to removel Pack.

I don't know this fellow and I am not slandering him. Aside from him I know that there are those inside the government who see to it that their job security is well guarded and will find many ways to guard their careers. That's not an outlandish claim.

True... If It were MY Career and I would support CAL and work together, and I would ask Govt to give fund to larry with Very CUTE amount of 3,000 or 6,000 dollar for their loss two. I guess He isnt Honest GOVT Officer. Anyway No wonder why he is very SECURITY with Wolves!


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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2010, 06:14:45 PM »
Bearpaw, I ask for no sympathy from you or anyone else.  You actually think it hurts my feeling that someone called me a tree hugger?  Maybe that is an insult in your myopic world. 

You and your buddies are the ones on the witch hunt.  You go around to message boards spewing your rhetoric and just expect people to fall in line and say *censored* like SSS. 

I did go fishing for it.  Like I said I followed a link from your Facebook cause, when i went there to check it out, and what do I see but a bunch of bullying and attacking of someone on another forum who doesn't agree with you.  The funny thing is that you and your chronies think you were getting the better of her.   :chuckle:  That woman lives in that community along with longshot, who cares if they bicker back and forth? 

If you don't like getting *censored* from wacko anti hunters then don't post videos on youtube.  That place is a cesspool for people like that. 

If you want to tell me to get out of your faces about bullying then get out my face with your anti wolf rhetoric.  It has become old and stagnant. 

And besides you and your cohorts who am I criticizing?  You really think I care how I appear to your extremist buddies?  :twocents: :) :) :) ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2010, 06:20:09 PM »
This is for those of you who enjoy deer hunting. A while back I said I wasn't going to argue on W-H and I won't. All three of you who are interested in management might want to move some place where they don't have wolves yet and manage away. You know the facts about the wolves. How much wolf management did Idaho, Montana and the Yellowstone get? Where are their game populations now where wolves exsist? You will see the Methow Valley bite the dust first, but you will still cling to your ideas of waiting for management, and reporting all wolf sightings so that WDFW will go and confirm wolf packs. Thats fine, there needs to be people who leave all of their faith to the WDFW to do the right thing. Just as there is a need for people to tell it how it really is. The mainstream media won't touch it, the articles in news papers, the stories from people who have been dealing with these wolves since the beginnig need to be told, don't you agree? The truth of this disaster is coming out and as more people are educated to the real facts  and not the BS that WDFW or Defenders of Wildlife feed to those who live on emotion, the more people become educated about what these wolves have really done to the game herds and how it is to deal with wolves in their front yard, they are realizing that they really don't want wolves.  Lowedog's main problem is he really don't like the idea of "outsiders" who have been fighting this fight forever educating the Methow Valley, you crack me up Lowedog .Cheers


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Re: Only Wolves in the MethowWow ! Mr. Ott Not to take us on his mental Wanderings about wolves , there is only museings here .....where is the Meat ?

          I really had Old Rose walkin' fast, backwards. Her diatribe was Devolving into a mystic Karma, Carmel, Lotte' , stammer......but back to business.

          I would like anyone to divide the amount of Elk killed between 2007, when I was wittness to 17,500 Elk in Jackson Hole and 2010 when I saw 4,200 Elk in Jackson Hole by the 15-16 Deer formula that Mr Ott has supplied us with . Now a deer will weigh 90 lbs if it is a white tail or maybe 100 if it is a Muley. One Elk will constitute 9-10 Deer.............Wow ! there are alot of wolves in Jackson Hole ! Now divide fetuses ripped from Cow Elk and the Elk is left untouched and calves that have out run the Grizz, into the mix and you see that there are even more wolves.

          There is nothing romantic about the Wolf , in Germany the Citizens of Aushwitz were brought out to see the concentration camps that they denied knowing anything about. I call this the Aushwitz Syndrome........does this remind you of anyone ?

            There are parallels in History and Environmentalists are coming up Nazi !

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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2010, 06:20:57 PM »
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If you don't like getting *censored* from wacko anti hunters then don't post videos on youtube.  That place is a cesspool for people like that. 

I don't believe putting hunting videos on YouTube is an open invitation for threats of violence. Would you care to explain how it is a bad idea to put hunting videos on YouTube? It seems to me that part of a valid business model would be to openly promote your products in various media outlets. And that you should be free and legal to do so, within reasonable boundaries and without threats of violence for doing so.

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Re: Methow Valley Bulletin Board... Wolf Wars.
« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2010, 06:27:04 PM »
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If you don't like getting *censored* from wacko anti hunters then don't post videos on youtube.  That place is a cesspool for people like that. 

I don't believe putting hunting videos on YouTube is an open invitation for threats of violence. Would you care to explain how it is a bad idea to put hunting videos on YouTube? It seems to me that part of a valid business model would be to openly promote your products in various media outlets. And that you should be free and legal to do so, within reasonable boundaries and without threats of violence for doing so.

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