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New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« on: November 28, 2010, 01:29:21 PM »
So I am a new coyote hunter, but have hunted deer and elk for well over 10 years.  I have been out a few times and would like to tag along with a more experienced coyote guy for a couple trips to see how someone who knows what they are doing does it.  I would be glad to talk $$ but would prefer to just pay for gas and lunch.  Are any of you "Old Dogs hunters" up to showing a newbie how its done?  I would be stoked if you just took me out to scout new ground, it doesn't have to be prime territory, I'm just looking to save myself the learning curve that I experienced Deer and Elk hunting. 

If anyone is interested in paying it forward I would appreciate it.

 
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2010, 01:31:40 PM »
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2010, 08:11:21 PM »
I think your going to find it difficult to get a seasoned caller to assist you . Seasoned callers have spent endless hours and big money to learn the tricks of the trade . time and money spent on fuel to get to available land , and to get permission to hunt private ground . a seasoned caller has spent years on stands and years of being educated by the coyotes he persues , I have in the past shared stands with people i have met only to find said persons coming back to hunt the ground i took them to . BIG no no , there is a creed among callers , if i take you to some of my ground you do not go there without me and a invite to do so .Most seasoned callers dont even like to hunt with another person , and most only have one or perhaps two close friends that they will even consider setting a stand with . Coyote callers as a rule are pretty much loners and take calling  very seriously.You would have better luck asking if you could borrow their wife for a weekend.( gives them more time to go calling )  In the last five years i have had hundreds of people ask me to take them calling and teach them what i know ,  i had to learn the hard way , hours and hours in the field and asking permission to hunt on private ground, tons of money spent on fuel  .The reason i posted this is so you might have a better understanding of what you are asking from a total stranger . Maybe youll get lucky and find someone gracious enough to take you along , and assist you as you fumble thru the learning process , missing called in coyotes and educating them, and generaly messing up the calling spots they frequent . If indeed you do you will have found a good friend with a kind heart. I was hesitating typing this post but thought it would be important that you understand what you are asking somone to do . I might suggest you find some good coyote country and then ask somone to come to your ground and help you learn . 
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2010, 08:13:47 PM »
I think your going to find it difficult to get a seasoned caller to assist you . Seasoned callers have spent endless hours and big money to learn the tricks of the trade . time and money spent on fuel to get to available land , and to get permission to hunt private ground . a seasoned caller has spent years on stands and years of being educated by the coyotes he persues , I have in the past shared stands with people i have met only to find said persons coming back to hunt the ground i took them to . BIG no no , there is a creed among callers , if i take you to some of my ground you do not go there without me and a invite to do so .Most seasoned callers dont even like to hunt with another person , and most only have one or perhaps two close friends that they will even consider setting a stand with . Coyote callers as a rule are pretty much loners and take calling  very seriously.You would have better luck asking if you could borrow their wife for a weekend.( gives them more time to go calling )  In the last five years i have had hundreds of people ask me to take them calling and teach them what i know ,  i had to learn the hard way , hours and hours in the field and asking permission to hunt on private ground, tons of money spent on fuel  .The reason i posted this is so you might have a better understanding of what you are asking from a total stranger . Maybe youll get lucky and find someone gracious enough to take you along , and assist you as you fumble thru the learning process , missing called in coyotes and educating them, and generaly messing up the calling spots they frequent . If indeed you do you will have found a good friend with a kind heart. I was hesitating typing this post but thought it would be important that you understand what you are asking somone to do . I might suggest you find some good coyote country and then ask somone to come to your ground and help you learn . 
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2010, 10:12:16 AM »
Thanks For the posts.  I kinda figured it would go one of two ways with the responses.  That is a very nice way to explain it and I appreciate confirming what I thought some of the issues might be. 

I totally understand all this. 

But the most someone can do is say no, and the only stupid question is an unasked question.

I am asking for a general lesson.   Even if no coyotes show it would be nice to know what supposed to work.

 If anyone is interested, I know of a lot of ground that I have heard or seen coyote signs on in the past.  I have a hunting range that regularly goes from the Cle Elum/Ellensburg area (own small camp membership) to the Shelton where I currently live.  I hunt all the area and all areas in between that I can find. 

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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2010, 10:20:49 AM »
And I can see how it looks like I'm asking just to know your hunting ground.  Sorry about that.   I know all too well the ethics involved here.   

I'm just looking to learn a few tricks and the basics. 
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2010, 10:49:42 AM »
This is one of the best resources you will find on the web.  http://varmintal.com/ahunt.htm

I have been calling for coyotes for several years now and very much still a rookie.  Seams like I learn something new with every stand I make.
 
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2010, 11:32:27 AM »
I'm still new to this, just started about a year or so ago and been out a dozen times or so and have gotten 6-7 dogs. But I have found a few guys here who are willing to share info, hunting spots, and even take me out - and I very grateful to them for that as well. (and no I dont go back to their spots unless they say its OK)  Am i in the Woodinville area and lately I have been fairly sucessful getting yotes here on the west side on smaller properties I got permission to hunt by providing free coyote control for the landowners. If you have areas to hunt that you are seeing good signs I'd be happy to head out with you and share my limited knowledge with you. Its not much but its been working for me! Shoot me a PM or something if you want to talk more.
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2010, 05:11:55 PM »
To those that are new and looking for help...

Try posting a bit more about yourself. Age, experience, location, equipment, etc. I am sure that someone would go look over new country if you were willing to pay gas and they had an idea who they were taking out in the woods.




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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2010, 08:08:39 PM »
 :)These are some very good posts. While you need to understand that you are hunting the hunter, it really is not that much different. You have been hunting a long time, now you need "finese" an extra sense.
1. Go hunting. Get off the road, get off the road!!!!!!~! :bash:
2.Watch the wind from when you are driving, to where you park, to where you hunt, a set up dont work if the approach dont!
 :rolleyes:3 There are no perfect stands  :dunno:
4 once you start calling stop moving. move your eyes, see #3, you can never see it all, dont move to try, or move slowwwwwww!
5. make sure you kill them when they come in, you aint a teacher.
other than that its purty simple. :chuckle:
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2010, 05:50:04 AM »
I'm still new to this, just started about a year or so ago and been out a dozen times or so and have gotten 6-7 dogs. But I have found a few guys here who are willing to share info, hunting spots, and even take me out - and I very grateful to them for that as well. (and no I dont go back to their spots unless they say its OK)  Am i in the Woodinville area and lately I have been fairly sucessful getting yotes here on the west side on smaller properties I got permission to hunt by providing free coyote control for the landowners. If you have areas to hunt that you are seeing good signs I'd be happy to head out with you and share my limited knowledge with you. Its not much but its been working for me! Shoot me a PM or something if you want to talk more.
  ;) your doing sompthing right, thats a 50% call in ratio , thats awsome . Jerry .
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2010, 06:10:18 AM »
I thought d-rock did a good job in asking for some insight into coyote hunting - respectful, understands what he's asking, etc.  He has a few posts already (not like this is the first one) and might stick around. 

A good piece of advice from Jerry: "I might suggest you find some good coyote country and then ask somone to come to your ground and help you learn."  As mentioned, most people aren't going to give up their spots.
 
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2010, 10:39:31 AM »
i'm getting Ready for calling.  right now i have alot of call orders. but i'll be calling cougar and bobcat soon as the weather is nice. i'll be going by shelton at times to skokomish. i know a little about calling. Rick ;)
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2010, 04:53:41 PM »
...You would have better luck asking if you could borrow their wife for a weekend.( gives them more time to go calling... ) 
Now that's funny!  OK, and likely true...

It may sound lame, and only 'partially helpful', but I draw much encouragement for calling from two sources: first, the feedback I get on this site, and secondly coyote hunting DVDs.  OK, DVD's do not replace time in the field, and some DVDs are better about showing you the setup than others. I get more info out of Randy Anderson DVDs than Les Johnson (Predator Quest) for example.

I am making friends of similar "novice-ivity" and we learn from each other that way. (I went out with Sidewinder this morning, until the freezing rain shut us down. Had one coyote move to our calling site, but he busted us before we got to see him.  All we saw were the tracks in the fresh snow.  Some stands are like that.)
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2010, 06:33:00 PM »
Great post Jerry, that pretty much sums it up.
I might add there are several coyote hunters here in Wa that can teach all of us a few things but they are pretty much closed mouth and probably rightly so.

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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2010, 09:46:21 PM »
  ;) your doing sompthing right, thats a 50% call in ratio , thats awsome . Jerry .
Thanks for the encouragement. I watched a few videos/tv shows and I went out 4 or 5 times on my own when I started out and just went to areas I *thought* coyotes would be at and never saw or heard anything. So I got REAL discouraged since I was expecting them to come running after one or two blows on the call!! (then someone on here told me 'its not like the pied piper' or something like that) So I was in for a big surprise when I realized how challenging it would be! Then I went out with PredatorPro (when I got my 1st dog) and also before that to areas where BIGINNER told me about where those guys KNEW there were dogs and that really helped alot - seeing what an experienced hunter did and knowing I was doing the right things, had the right equip, etc. But the area that BIGINNER sent me to was FULL of signs, fresh tracks, scat, howls, etc everywhere - and lots of wind too - but I didnt get anything - so more frustration! But alot time in the field and practice came all in short time and proved very helpful now that I have areas to hunt where I know the coyotes are at. But I'm still learning everytime out of course. I took my 9yo son out Sunday to my Granite Falls *honey* hole and we didnt call one in  - and I know they are there and they are being seen almost daily - but I have gotten one the last 4 times in row out there, so I may be overworking the area, I dont know....

I want to head back over to the east side and get out with PredatorPro again real soon.
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2010, 11:24:54 PM »
Thank you Big 10

Ivar , your doing it right , the time in the field . the best teacher is old Wiley coyote .
You have a great passion for this sport , that's what it takes to become a great caller , your well on your way Sir .
One suggestion i forgot to tell you the other day , start keeping a journal( i think i mentioned that i used to do this)  keep track of location , wind , time on stand before and after coyote showed up , how many came to call , moon phase , air temps and time of day, direction coyotes came from up or down wind. at the end of a year look it over you ll find some interesting info .
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2010, 08:03:37 AM »
Thanks, Jerry, for the encouragement. I am seeing one pattern already. The last two dogs I shot, were standing on a two-track road.  Yesterday's dog Sidewinder and I called in, but didn't see, traveled over 1/4 mile along a (snow covered) dirt road before he ducked into the brush to approach the e-caller location. Neither Sidewinder or I had a view of that route (on pretty flat terrain), or maybe we would have popped him.

It is not like I didn't know that roads are important routes for yotes, but just how important.
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2010, 01:17:22 PM »
Thanks for everyone's  :twocents:

I have been around enough hunters to know there are the Animal Beer drinkin, Road Huntin, sleep in because it's rainin guys out there, and then there are the real hunters that produce AND have a great time. 

Looks like there are enough of those guys on this website that I figured I would ask.

Thanks for the insight and the offer to go out that a couple guys that have offered.  I will be contacting you when I am in your area.  Predator hunting seems like a GREAT way to hone my hunting skills and start knockin them down.
 
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2010, 01:46:58 PM »
.. sleep in because it's rainin guys out there, and then there are the real hunters...
 
You might be looking at the wrong forum.  I don't know any coyote callers, on the east side at least, that call in the rain.   :)

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2010, 02:28:39 PM »
Looks like Eastern WA here I come!

I guess that leads to a new question, do coyotes move more or less in bad weather like rain and snow?  I've seen that snow in general makes them move due to availability of food, but is it better hunting on nice days or rainy/snowy?
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2010, 02:42:09 PM »
Nevermind just saw the other post.  Hate it when that happens.
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2010, 08:25:45 PM »
Ivar , do you remember the stand where i asked you where you would set up ? remember we didnt set up there ? remember we set up with that road in front of us? I will always do that as long as i am sure my vehicle will not be seen .
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2010, 10:10:32 PM »
Jer, I am catching on!  I've had this concept in my head that I have to "get away" to someplace where a critter won't expect me. Farther away is better. Over thinking.
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Re: New coyote HUnters ((help wanted!!))
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2010, 07:29:00 AM »
Ivar , do you remember the stand where i asked you where you would set up ? remember we didnt set up there ? remember we set up with that road in front of us? I will always do that as long as i am sure my vehicle will not be seen .

I never would have imagined Jerry as a "Road Hunter"  :chuckle: :chuckle:

Now quit giving away that kind of info.  :rolleyes: :chuckle:

 



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