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Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« on: January 01, 2011, 11:16:13 PM »
I've been saving to buy a new predator gun and I wish there wasn't so many options it would make my life so much easier  :chuckle: Two real questions, I have enough saved to buy a new Remington RTV (bolt action) or should I keep saving and wait until this spring/summer and buy a Remington R-15 (AR style rifle)? The other question is what caliber??? I like the availability of the .223 ammo but I like the distance of the 22-250 and don't know much about the .204? What are your thoughts. I would say I like to take shots out to 500 for fun, but that's not commom, most under 250yds. What to do, what to do... I guess if this is the worst of my problems I'm doing good  ;)

Forgot to say mostly for yotes and cats, but possible wolf and or cougar size animals as well. One more question, what type of glass would you put on top???

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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2011, 11:21:57 PM »
Build your own heavy barreled AR in whatever caliber you choose.
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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2011, 11:27:47 PM »
since you wan't to occasionally shoot to 500....of the three choices I'd choose the .22-250. A little more forgiving on the wind/range error aspect.  but if you practice enough you could get to the same point with the .223.  As for glass, for the long shots, I think I'd want at least a 6-20x50.  I like to start with Leupold, but if you have the funds maybe nightforce or a European scope--Swaro/Zeiss/Schmit&Bender/etc.

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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2011, 11:38:15 PM »
If you want it to work for cougar/wolves, I'd say get a 243.   :twocents:

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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2011, 12:17:36 AM »
22-250. It will then be a bolt action rifle so there is your cal and gun. If you got the ar-15 style rifle i would get the 223.
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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2011, 12:56:49 AM »
I'm getting a Remington 700 SPS Varmint in .243 LH for coyotes and deer.  Great long range shooting rigs!
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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2011, 06:25:48 AM »
I'm getting a Remington 700 SPS Varmint in .243 LH for coyotes and deer.  Great long range shooting rigs!
I have the Remington 700 SPS Varmint in 223rem. and love it. Adjusted the trigger down to 2Ibs. and it is a tack driver. 243win. should make an excellent longer range varmint/deer caliber.
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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2011, 06:26:30 AM »
I've always been partial to the 25-06.

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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2011, 07:45:05 AM »
If its just for varmints, I think I would go with a 22-250. My Varmint gun is a tack driving Ruger .243.
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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2011, 08:06:04 AM »
I was an army brat and shot a lot of .223 and it is still what I chose but only because I haven't looked around at these other rounds. I'm sure in the last 20 years some of these kick .223 butt. Funny how I go through life shooting & using the same equipment. I guess I'm not an " experimenter". Mike

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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2011, 08:09:08 AM »
Sticking to your stated needs for this rifle, I would go .22-250. I've had a Remington .22-250 for 32 years now, it has been a excellent rifle.
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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2011, 08:17:32 AM »
With your choices, I'd say 22-250 as well.  If you're going to use it on chucks and rats as well, the 223 in a heavy barreled AR, with a 1 in 8 or 1 in 7 twist.  It will allow you to use heavy bullets for the yotes, and 52's for the rats/chucks. 

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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2011, 08:57:23 AM »
Heavy barrel 22-250 ;)

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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2011, 09:57:41 AM »
If you don't have an AR then I would say get the R15 just because AR's are fun to shoot

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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2011, 11:15:44 AM »
Thanks for all the info guys, I have a 243 that I use on deer and have taken yotes out to 617 yds with (hit him in the spine above his back legs but dropped him). So I'm really thinking 22-250 in the Remington VTR or a Ruger with a bull barrel.

What would a good range be on a .223 in the R15 with 22" barrel. The gun just looks cool  :chuckle:
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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2011, 11:25:42 AM »
I have shot a lot of yotes over the years with 223's. I have had a lot of runners, with the 223. You knock them down and then they get up and take off. I would say 300 is a good range for that gun. I don't like to shoot my 223's past 200+ yards. Even though they will kill, it can't compare to the 22-250.
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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2011, 10:44:26 PM »
I have shot a lot of yotes over the years with 223's. I have had a lot of runners, with the 223. You knock them down and then they get up and take off. I would say 300 is a good range for that gun. I don't like to shoot my 223's past 200+ yards. Even though they will kill, it can't compare to the 22-250.

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The 223 can be accurate out to 500yrds under good/ideal conditions, but it wont have much knock-down power at that point, out to 200-250, it still does fairly well. I went with the standard AR15 setup because of how common/inexpensive the 223/5.56 rounds were, theyve gone up a little in price, but its still a fantastic caliber to reload for (plenty of component options to find that perfect round for your gun/barrel). The thing I like about the AR platform is the versatility it brings to the table

The 223 may not be the best varmint round out there, but in comparison to others like the 22-250 & .204, its abundant and inexpensive OTC.

If distance is a deal breakers, the 22-250 is definitely the answer though, well worth the small increase in $$ for ammo for the trade-off in results downrange. That will reach out and touch a yote at 500yrds easy and as carp alluded to, it won't be getting back up to taunt you
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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2011, 08:25:30 AM »
Go with a big caliber.  If you don't hit them square on you will still get your coyote.  I've seen too many coyotes hit good with a .223 that still run forever. I shoot a .270 WSM, haven't wounded and lost a coyote yet :)

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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2011, 08:40:17 AM »
You're talking about possibly needing it for wolves and cats....a .22-250 would be minimum IMO. I'd look real hard at a .243 or .25something or other. A lot of stuff bites back up there where you're hunting so don't mess around.


                                
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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2011, 09:39:03 AM »
Thinking man Since you said you already have a 243 I would go with the AR I shot a buddies cold with the Nikon BDC and loved it! If you really need something with more kick then you already own it... It you want relative long rage shooting with rapid follow up shots... Go with the AR Follow up shots with the AR i shot were very nice... greater possibility of a double because it lack the kick the other cal everyone is talking about... You already own a one shot one kill rifle...  :twocents:
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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2011, 03:23:18 PM »
Thanks for all the info guys, I'm saving till June for the AR, I went out today and got a nice Nikon 6-24x42 scope for my .243 and some 58 grain vmax bullets Hornady loads. I will turn it into a predator killer for know. Thanks again!
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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2011, 06:09:26 PM »
Thanks for all the info guys, I'm saving till June for the AR, I went out today and got a nice Nikon 6-24x42 scope for my .243 and some 58 grain vmax bullets Hornady loads. I will turn it into a predator killer for know. Thanks again!

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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2011, 06:54:29 PM »
Haven't had any problems killing dogs with my 204

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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2011, 07:10:24 PM »
got a NIB 223 encore for sale if your interested

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Re: Wanting a new predator gun, .223, .204, 22-250
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2011, 07:24:59 PM »
I like 22.250 bolt guns, I run .53 gr Barns TSX-FB on top of 38 gr of H380. Just a simple long range shooter.
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