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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2011, 01:34:55 PM »
What about a 7mm mag can't believe it hasn't come up yet.

???  For long range shooting? It's barely any better than a 30-06.  :stirthepot:   (unless you're talking the 7mm Rem Ultra mag)

7mm Mag is about on a par with the 30-06. But with a lot more recoil.
.338 would be my choice. I shoot one myself and like it. It'll shoot heavy bullets in timber and light bullets in open country. All good.
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2011, 01:53:24 PM »
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2011, 02:18:43 PM »
7mm Mag is about on a par with the 30-06. But with a lot more recoil.

I figure this statement right here is the most likely one of the thread so far to start a battle...  :chuckle:

I shoot the '06, but knew a guy who was so in love with his favorite round he swore his 7mm RemMag all but had the steaks cut and wrapped by the time you got the the elk.

Either one is a good elk round, especially if you use heavy-for-caliber bullets in the '06 (no lighter than 180's in a good bullet).  But really, the gun doesn't do the hunting, the hunter does.  Just do your part to get as close as you can and put a good bullet in the right spot.   To paraphrase what Bob33 said in another thread "the elk aren't smart enough to know the difference."
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2011, 02:24:38 PM »
.325 WSM Browning Medallion Grade 3 with an octagon barrel.  Great elk caliber.  Beautiful rifle....special run for 2007 shot show.
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2011, 02:28:32 PM »
No not 1000 yard elk hunting, just fun 1000 yard shooting. The gun will more than likely be some sort of caliber for this year and then a 338 edge next year just cuz!

Then get a fast 7mm type of rifle (RUM, STW, etc) now and then next year the 338EDGE.  7mm bullets and .338 bullets have really high BC's so that is where I'd look. :twocents:
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2011, 01:01:38 PM »
No not 1000 yard elk hunting, just fun 1000 yard shooting. The gun will more than likely be some sort of caliber for this year and then a 338 edge next year just cuz!

Then get a fast 7mm type of rifle (RUM, STW, etc) now and then next year the 338EDGE.  7mm bullets and .338 bullets have really high BC's so that is where I'd look. :twocents:

There it is! I was looking for someone to mention high balistic coefiecients.

The 338rum is on my list of "I need/just want" rifles. Any one have one that is not broke? Recoil is supposed to be intense. That video clip of elk taken with a 6.5x284 is impressive but that bullet is carying so little energy at that distance it scares me.  When I shot my bull this year I plugged him with my new 375Ruger, I know shot placement is everything but when you pull the trigger on that thing there is a sence of confidence that is carried by that 260 gr. Accubon.

I'd stick with 30 cal or larger. And a case that will push whatever you are shooting 3000 fps or faster.

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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2011, 07:08:30 PM »
I took a 3rd place trophy home one day a few years back at my local gun club in an amateur 600yd bench rest competition. 8.5" group mostly in the bull with 225 gr Hornady Interlocs. Cheap bullets to shoot for fun and relatively accurate.
My point is: When you're looking at long distance big game performance, ignore muzzle velocity and muzzle energy values. Do the math and look at the figures for calibers and bullet weights past 200 + 300yds. Then you'll see that heavier bullets and larger calibers win the discussion.
I'd also recommend a muzzle break unless you're comfortable shooting heavy calibers. I shoot my .338 much  better and certainly enjoy it more since I had a good muzzle break installed. Some of my hand loads shoot sub MOA out of my Rem 700 w/glass bedded/free floated barrel and I can actually do it on a regular basis knowing it's not going to beat the tar out of me.
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2011, 12:00:57 PM »
     Amen Sako! All I care about is what's the energy on target downrange, and when you get out past 2 or 3 hundred yards, I want that confidence that you get with the heavier bullets and bigger cartridges. :twocents:
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2011, 10:43:15 PM »
For Elk I would use for the largest caliber you can shoot without flinching.  I would also be sure to use bullets with a sectional density of at least .280, .300 preferable.

It isn't as important on a small bull that isn't excited, but you don't always get to choose the situation.  If you have to take a quartering shot at a big bull that is on the move, you have to break them down.  Trying to break the offside shoulder on a large bull is no small task.  

I would consider a .284 caliber with a 160gr bullet at 3000FPS to be the minimum.  I know all you 270 lovers out there wont like this, but it is only one mans opinion.  I like the 300 Ultra with a bonded 180-200gr bullet, or my 8MM with 220 gr bullets.

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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2011, 10:48:38 PM »
It is all about shot placement....


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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #60 on: February 14, 2011, 11:06:24 PM »
.300 Win Mag is also a very efficient (and popular) Elk, Moose and Mule Deer Cartridge.  I just put a new Shilen barrel on my Rem 700 and need to break it in when it warms up!    :bfg:
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #61 on: February 15, 2011, 12:21:00 AM »
7mm Mag is about on a par with the 30-06. But with a lot more recoil.

I figure this statement right here is the most likely one of the thread so far to start a battle...  :chuckle:

I shoot the '06, but knew a guy who was so in love with his favorite round he swore his 7mm RemMag all but had the steaks cut and wrapped by the time you got the the elk.

Either one is a good elk round, especially if you use heavy-for-caliber bullets in the '06 (no lighter than 180's in a good bullet).  But really, the gun doesn't do the hunting, the hunter does.  Just do your part to get as close as you can and put a good bullet in the right spot.   To paraphrase what Bob33 said in another thread "the elk aren't smart enough to know the difference."

Petersen's Hunting magazine(last fall issue, month ?)had a humorous and sarcastic article in it titled something like '10 worst deer cartridges' or something like that. Anyhow, the 7mm mag was listed. A lot of noise and recoil for not much more than a 30-06 could give you with a lot less of both. I just happen to feel the same way. I gave the magazine to a guy in deer camp that shoots a 7mag. He even agreed.
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #62 on: February 15, 2011, 12:30:42 AM »
Not quite finalized yet but close. .338 Win Mag, 75gr IMR 4831, 210gr Barnes TTSX, 2777fps. No pressure signs. Sub MOA.
It should get closer to 2900fps but we'll see. I usually shoot 225gr TBBC bullets but thought I'd work up a good load with the 210gr Barnes.
Either will be good elk medicine.
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2011, 02:55:40 PM »
.340 Weatherby magnum is an excellent choice if you don't mind paying $70 bucks for factory loads. 1000 yard shots will reach easily, and have tremendous nockdown power on any of the largest north american game. Hell, I would feel MORE then confident taking it to Alaska to take a grizz or two  :chuckle:
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2011, 03:15:18 PM »
-300wsm is a good one!
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2011, 07:51:39 PM »
.300 WEATHERBY mag. if your going to get a .300 dont even bother with the win mag.  look at the ballistics and compare.....

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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2011, 12:12:17 PM »
.300 Remington Ultra mag.  If you're going to get a .300 don't even bother with the Weatherby mag.  Look at the ballistics and compare.....   ;)

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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2011, 12:53:08 PM »
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« Reply #68 on: March 08, 2011, 01:15:34 PM »
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Yeah, I was waiting for a string of replies with faster, and faster cartridges......... :)
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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #69 on: March 08, 2011, 02:40:22 PM »
I'm with CamoDup on this one.  Sure, you can go .300 RUM, .30-378, yadda yadda yadda, BUT look at a reloading manual or two and you'll see how pathetically inefficient they are compared to the .300 Weatherby.  For what a pound of gunpowder sells for these days, I'll take a Weatherby and not look back.  To a lesser degree I'd say the same thing about the 7mm Weatherby Mag over the 7mm Rem Mag. 

OK, time for the heathens to hurl insults at us Weatherby snobs!   :IBCOOL:

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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #70 on: March 09, 2011, 02:40:16 PM »
The money I saved buying a 300 RUM instead of a Weatherby easily compensates for a couple more dollars worth of powder when reloading each year. ;) :chuckle:

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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #71 on: March 09, 2011, 02:59:22 PM »
All of the elk I have killed with my .300 win mag seem to think it killed them just fine.... :dunno:  :chuckle:
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« Reply #72 on: March 09, 2011, 03:05:23 PM »
If you are interested in shooting them at a mile.....

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« Reply #73 on: March 09, 2011, 03:09:08 PM »
Will it meet the weight limit is the question??

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Re: Elk rifle ????
« Reply #74 on: March 09, 2011, 03:12:04 PM »
I'm with CamoDup on this one.  Sure, you can go .300 RUM, .30-378, yadda yadda yadda, BUT look at a reloading manual or two and you'll see how pathetically inefficient they are compared to the .300 Weatherby.  For what a pound of gunpowder sells for these days, I'll take a Weatherby and not look back.  To a lesser degree I'd say the same thing about the 7mm Weatherby Mag over the 7mm Rem Mag. 

OK, time for the heathens to hurl insults at us Weatherby snobs!   :IBCOOL:

I loaded for the 30-378 for years and years.  Brother bought a RUM and it was way more efficeint that the WBY 30-378.  Ten grains less powder yielded 130 more fps.

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