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410 for a Turkey??
« on: February 17, 2011, 01:14:44 PM »
Close range of course.... 3 inch, BB's?? 2's?? Whatchya think? My daughter is really small and I have the first shotgun I ever got when I was 9.... it fits her (except she hates it cause she closed the action on her hand last night!!!! :chuckle: :dunno:)

Doable??? head shot?
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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2011, 01:15:30 PM »
Absolutely. Of course dad will be there for needed backup.

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2011, 01:18:00 PM »
I'd use 3 inch shells and #6 shot. Anything bigger and the pattern will have too many holes in it. You'd have to pattern it but I don't see why it wouldn't kill a turkey out to about 20 yards.

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2011, 01:31:35 PM »
Read an article a few months back where the guy had his 8 year old daughter take a turkey with a 410. He said he had to get the bird within 10 yards which is doable. I personally would not use the 410. Turkey is a tough bird to kill. Has to be #4 shot or smaller. If I was going to use it, I would definitely limit myself to 10-15 yards. Always a head shot on a turkey.

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2011, 01:40:01 PM »
Come on, get real. Sure, a 410 will kill one but ask yourself this...if this was my SON, would I make him shoot a .410. Little girls are just as tough as little boys. If you can't find a nice little .20 g for her to shoot, teach her to prop your 12g on her knee. A big heavy 12g will kick less than a single shot 20 anyway. If she's your hunting partner, get her a real gun. Remington, Mossberg and others make some great youth model 20's that she will handle and shoot just fine.

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2011, 01:50:04 PM »
Not sure I would reccommend it or understand why someone would do it unless that was their only option, but it could probably get the job done at close range.  I'd probably use #4's as they are the largest allowed and I wouldn't be as worried about holes in my pattern at 10 yards. 

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2011, 01:52:09 PM »
#4 shot out of a 410 is going to be a pretty sparse pattern.   :dunno:  I'd go with 6's or even 7 1/2's.

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2011, 01:54:46 PM »
#4 shot out of a 410 is going to be a pretty sparse pattern.   :dunno:  I'd go with 6's or even 7 1/2's.

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2011, 02:05:30 PM »
#4 shot out of a 410 is going to be a pretty sparse pattern.   :dunno:  I'd go with 6's or even 7 1/2's.
I'd use 3 inch shells and #6 shot. Anything bigger and the pattern will have too many holes in it. You'd have to pattern it but I don't see why it wouldn't kill a turkey out to about 20 yards.

You do that.  Shoot one at 20 yards with 7 1/2's.  My bet is the thing runs for roughly 2.7 miles. 

I wouldn't shoot one with a .410 but if I did it would be no farther than 10 yards and at 10 yards I'm not very concerned with pattern density.  The wad should hit the bird in the head at that range and the pattern should be pretty darn tight still. 

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2011, 02:10:54 PM »
Ernie
I bought my son a Rem 1100 20 ga LT.(youth stock?)  Hardly any recoil. Bought a turkey choke,but haven't patterned it yet.
I wouldn't suggest the .410. Yea it could work, BUT. She/you would feel terrible if one got away injured!! :twocents:

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2011, 02:37:00 PM »
We'll see how she can handle the other guns... I have a 20 pump, a 20 side by side a 12 o/u, 12 pump and a 12 auto.... Maybe she'll be ok with one of them? I blew my wad on getting her a nice big game rifle, so there isn't going to be a new shotgun in the mix. She can shoot he 410 for huns and sharpies out here and it wont be long before she can handle the 20 gauge with no prob...

Thanks guys... I"ll pattern that little 410 a bit with a couple different loads and see what happens!

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2011, 02:42:48 PM »
Here is an interesting article about a guy using a .410 for Turkey:  link
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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2011, 02:46:28 PM »
We'll see how she can handle the other guns... I have a 20 pump, a 20 side by side a 12 o/u, 12 pump and a 12 auto.... Maybe she'll be ok with one of them? I blew my wad on getting her a nice big game rifle, so there isn't going to be a new shotgun in the mix. She can shoot he 410 for huns and sharpies out here and it wont be long before she can handle the 20 gauge with no prob...

Thanks guys... I"ll pattern that little 410 a bit with a couple different loads and see what happens!

Ernie

I've got a youth 20 ga. auto that your more than welcome to borrow also.  Would love to do my part to help any kids get in the woods.  Sounds like you've got a lot of guns to choose from and good job to you for getting her involved at a young age!  I think making every experience in the woods as great as possible when their young is key.  I've never patterened a .410 so if you end up doing it I'd be curious to see the results.  Good Luck!

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2011, 03:25:14 PM »
OK, that article seems to support the 410...especially when I was thinking 20 yards or less....

I'll pattern it, see how she shoots it. At the same time, I'll see if she can handle one of the others. I figure the 20 would be great, but if the 410 will do it... cool.

i've killed a hundred + grouse with that little gun and a chit load of dove.... :)
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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2011, 03:41:13 PM »
#4 shot out of a 410 is going to be a pretty sparse pattern.   :dunno:  I'd go with 6's or even 7 1/2's.
I'd use 3 inch shells and #6 shot. Anything bigger and the pattern will have too many holes in it. You'd have to pattern it but I don't see why it wouldn't kill a turkey out to about 20 yards.

You do that.  Shoot one at 20 yards with 7 1/2's.  My bet is the thing runs for roughly 2.7 miles.

:bs:  At 20 yards with the right choke and a solid head shot, I guarantee that would be a dead turkey and it wouldn't go anywhere but down.

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2011, 08:31:52 PM »
Close range of course.... 3 inch, BB's?? 2's?? Whatchya think? My daughter is really small and I have the first shotgun I ever got when I was 9.... it fits her (except she hates it cause she closed the action on her hand last night!!!! :chuckle: :dunno:)

Doable??? head shot?

First of all regs require nothing larger than #4.  I'd personally not do it.  I'd say there is a BIG reason why a turkey load is 1.75 oz of lead with enough pow pow to hurl it at 1200-1500 fps.  A 410 will give you maybe an ounce?  Sure at short range I'm sure it'll drop it, but what if the bird locks up at 35-45 yards?  I'd definitely pattern before you go.

I vote no...give her a fighting chance. 

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2011, 10:45:38 PM »
#4 shot out of a 410 is going to be a pretty sparse pattern.   :dunno:  I'd go with 6's or even 7 1/2's.
I'd use 3 inch shells and #6 shot. Anything bigger and the pattern will have too many holes in it. You'd have to pattern it but I don't see why it wouldn't kill a turkey out to about 20 yards.

You do that.  Shoot one at 20 yards with 7 1/2's.  My bet is the thing runs for roughly 2.7 miles.

:bs:  At 20 yards with the right choke and a solid head shot, I guarantee that would be a dead turkey and it wouldn't go anywhere but down.

Wasn't aware they made the "right" choke for a .410 to hunt Turkey's?  That's a bold guarantee.  I'm assuming you have some personal experience or first hand knowledge of shooting Turkey's with a .410 that you want to share with us to back up your statement?  Can't remember seeing any turkey pictures with you posing with your .410? I filmed a youth hunt last spring where a youngster shot a Tom with a solid head shot at 20 yards with a 3" Turkey Load in a 20 ga. with the right choke in a patterned gun and the bird went down alright... For about 10 seconds.  Then it flopped around, jumped up and hauled a** for the next county never to be found.  We've gotten somewhat off topic..  I should focus on congratulating Hornseeker for getting kids involved...

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2011, 10:59:59 PM »
The "right" choke is one that patterns tight enough to kill that turkey at 20 yards. That's why I can guarantee it would do it. Because if it didn't, it wasn't the right choke (for that particular load being used)  You don't think 410's are made with a choke that will pattern tightly at 20 yards.  ???

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2011, 11:15:04 PM »
The "right" choke is one that patterns tight enough to kill that turkey at 20 yards. That's why I can guarantee it would do it. Because if it didn't, it wasn't the right choke (for that particular load being used)  You don't think 410's are made with a choke that will pattern tightly at 20 yards.  ???

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Never said that.  I'm sure some of them pattern great.  I'm waiting to see your pics or hear your story about your experiences which backs up this guarantee.   You're really sitting here arguing with me on how a .410 is a viable Turkey gun?  Yes it's capable but ideal? Or even recomended? No.  I can say that a .243 can drop a Moose at 900 yards.  But I've never done it so I'm not about to say I guarantee it. 

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2011, 11:17:48 PM »
Did anyone read the article that Curly posted?

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Thrill of hunt is a close call

Using a .410 shotgun for turkeys requires more skill but is rewarding

March 06, 2009|By Steve Waters

When the spring turkey season opens Saturday in South Florida, many diehard turkey hunters will head into the woods with some serious firepower.

They'll be carrying a 12- or 10-gauge shotgun made just for hunting turkeys: a fully camouflaged pump or semiautomatic with a short barrel and a super-tight turkey choke that puts out a deadly pattern of shot pellets at 60 yards with 3 1/2 -inch shells.

That's a big change from when I first started hunting turkeys 25 years ago. Back then the people who introduced me to the sport used the same beat up 12-gauge shotgun for turkeys that they used for deer, ducks, quail and rabbits.

These new guns are great for killing wild turkeys, but when you're shooting birds at 50 or more yards, you're missing the point, and the fun, of hunting turkeys.

To Glenn Sapir, what makes turkey hunting so challenging and enjoyable is calling a wary, mature gobbler to within 30 yards.

And if you can call a bird in that close, you don't need a fancy turkey gun, or even a 12-gauge shotgun, to kill a turkey.

Sapir, of Putnam Valley, N.Y., is a close friend who has hunted turkeys throughout the country and scored a grand slam - one of each of the four major turkey sub-species - in one season.

A longtime outdoors writer who was the National Wild Turkey Federation's 2008 Communicator of the Year, Sapir is the author of Secrets of the Turkey Pros, an enlightening 176-page hardcover book that features tips and insights from experts such as Eddie Salter, Harold Knight, Dick Kirby, Rob Keck and Ray Eye.

Topics include selecting your gear, locating turkeys, setting up on them, calling, using decoys, moving on birds and, when your hunt is successful, caring for and cooking your bird. (Signed copies are available by sending a check for $25, which includes postage, to Ashmark Communications, P.O. Box 74, Shrub Oak, NY 10588.)

Sapir regularly hunts with a 12-gauge shotgun, but while he was researching his book's chapter on hunting with decoys, he learned that Dave Berkley of Feather Flex Decoys likes to hunt with a .410 shotgun, which shoots the smallest payload of any shotgun gauge.

Intrigued, Sapir got a .410 Browning BPS pump shotgun and patterned it with 3-inch No. 6 Winchester Super-X shotshells. At 35 yards, he put more than six pellets in the turkey target's head and neck. At 25 yards, he had at least a dozen lethal hits.

He used the .410 in Texas to hunt Rio Grande turkeys. It didn't take long for him to find out how effective a smaller shotgun can be on a big wild turkey.

"I got two gobblers," Sapir said. "The first one I shot at 33 steps and the gobbler dropped as stone dead as any bird I ever shot."

Sapir went back out in the afternoon and dropped a second 3-year-old gobbler in its tracks at 30 yards. (Texas hunters are allowed four birds per season and they can take more than one per day.)

Another hunter was so impressed that he borrowed Sapir's .410 the following afternoon and killed a gobbler at 30 yards.

Besides the .410's effectiveness at close range, Sapir liked its lighter weight, which makes a noticeable difference when you tote a gun through the woods all day.

He also noted that the .410's minimal recoil makes it ideal for women and youth hunters.

Sapir acknowledged that some say it's unethical to hunt turkeys with such a small gun, but he said it's the ethics of the hunter that are the concern.

"You simply have to pattern the gun and know the limitations of the gun," he said. "Instead of taking 50-yard shots that some people might take with a 12 gauge, with the .410 I wouldn't allow myself that."



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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2011, 11:23:15 PM »
Close range of course.... 3 inch, BB's?? 2's?? Whatchya think? My daughter is really small and I have the first shotgun I ever got when I was 9.... it fits her (except she hates it cause she closed the action on her hand last night!!!! :chuckle: :dunno:)

Doable??? head shot?

KimberRich,  above is the original post. He asked if the 410 would work at close range. The answer is yes, it will. Maybe that maximum range is 10 yards. Maybe it's 20. Or even 25. It depends on the gun and the load and how it patterns. It was a gun he got when he was nine years old. I think it would be cool if his daughter used it to harvest a turkey. That's all. I've simply been stating my opinion on the subject but you want to call it arguing.  :dunno:

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2011, 11:27:18 PM »
The "right" choke is one that patterns tight enough to kill that turkey at 20 yards. That's why I can guarantee it would do it. Because if it didn't, it wasn't the right choke (for that particular load being used)  You don't think 410's are made with a choke that will pattern tightly at 20 yards.  ???

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Never said that.  I'm sure some of them pattern great.  I'm waiting to see your pics or hear your story about your experiences which backs up this guarantee.   You're really sitting here arguing with me on how a .410 is a viable Turkey gun?  Yes it's capable but ideal? Or even recomended? No.  I can say that a .243 can drop a Moose at 900 yards.  But I've never done it so I'm not about to say I guarantee it. 

I said it was ideal?  ???  Don't recall that. That's not what this thread was about. You want the best turkey killing shotgun? Use a 10 gauge with 3 1/2 inch shells, some super duper extra full turkey choke. I think a 243 would kill a moose just fine at 100 yards or less.  :twocents:

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2011, 07:27:38 AM »
Ok, I appreciate the impassioned responses here!

So, as far as the turkey locking up at 35/40 yards...well... then we wouldn't be shooting Turkey that day! Thats all there is to that. I am a traditional bowhunter as well and limit my shots to about 30 yards....what if I cant get closer than 50?? Should I just go buy a bowtech so I can stretch that range out?

Lets stay somewhat on topic... This "hunt" is not all about the kill. Claire will be happy to go "hunting" with me. She would also be thrilled, as would I, if a tom "locked up" at 35-40 yards and put on a good show for us...

So... Turkey.... 20 yards..... 410.....

When I shoot a few shots I'll post the results...

Thanks all!

And ps...yeah, that article was telling. IF the writer is genuine.... then it sounds as if the 410 is very capable...
 I've seen 12 gauges and arrows with big broadheads NOT do a good job on Turkeys too.....
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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2011, 07:33:08 AM »
Ok, I appreciate the impassioned responses here!

So, as far as the turkey locking up at 35/40 yards...well... then we wouldn't be shooting Turkey that day! Thats all there is to that. I am a traditional bowhunter as well and limit my shots to about 30 yards....what if I cant get closer than 50?? Should I just go buy a bowtech so I can stretch that range out?

Lets stay somewhat on topic... This "hunt" is not all about the kill. Claire will be happy to go "hunting" with me. She would also be thrilled, as would I, if a tom "locked up" at 35-40 yards and put on a good show for us...

So... Turkey.... 20 yards..... 410.....

When I shoot a few shots I'll post the results...

Thanks all!

And ps...yeah, that article was telling. IF the writer is genuine.... then it sounds as if the 410 is very capable...
 I've seen 12 gauges and arrows with big broadheads NOT do a good job on Turkeys too.....

You're totally right and I look forward to hearing about your hunt in the future.  It's great that she's thrilled to be in the woods with her Dad.  Nothing better in my opinion.  Good Luck to you both!

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Re: 410 for a Turkey??
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2011, 07:36:23 AM »
Hornseeker thanks for asking this I have a 410 and happen to really like shooting and I have read lots of articles about people who use them to hunt deer.  I think the difference is when I think of using my 410 I am not thinking in yards so much as distance in feet. :dunno:
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