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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2011, 09:55:49 PM »
I still want to know what tjgerm thinks is a huge buck.  
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2011, 09:56:20 PM »
Isn't our system modeled after NV's system?


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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2011, 09:59:02 PM »
Same as Nevada's and I think it's the best system there is, other than having no point system at all.

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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2011, 10:01:46 PM »
Well If I got lucky driving during hunting season in an area I've never been and shot a 200 inch mule deer from the road I wouldn't mount it I would probably hang the horns in the garage. If I hunted my ass off hiking miles upon miles every day and finally killed a 170 inch deer and it took hours to pack it out thats the one I would mount. Well maybe if I'd been hunting for years and never harvested a monster and in my older days when my body couldn't keep up I got lucky I might mount the big luck deer then. But a trophy to me right now is one that you feel you earned. thru hours and miles of scouting and hunting.  

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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2011, 10:02:06 PM »
Same as Nevada's and I think it's the best system there is, other than having no point system at all.

I think its the best system there is for your home state.  I like preference points for out of state hunting.  That way I can kinda pick when I want to draw a tag.
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2011, 10:03:44 PM »
Well If I got lucky driving during hunting season in an area I've never been and shot a 200 inch mule deer from the road I wouldn't mount it I would probably hang the horns in the garage. If I hunted my ass off hiking miles upon miles every day and finally killed a 170 inch deer and it took hours to pack it out thats the one I would mount. Well maybe if I'd been hunting for years and never harvested a monster and in my older days when my body couldn't keep up I got lucky I might mount the big luck deer then. But a trophy to me right now is one that you feel you earned. thru hours and miles of scouting and hunting.  

So really then you would be happy with a 140 buck that you hunted your ass off for?
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2011, 10:11:25 PM »
No I think I would eat my tag. Rather go home skunked even if I hunted my ass off I think 170 is as low as I would go on mule deer during a draw hunt. 

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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2011, 10:14:11 PM »
we have the best draw system out there.  That being said luck does figure into it  but with 9 points I would put some money down that you will draw a quality tag in the next 3-4 years.  You definately can't count on drawing in any one year however, but if you know how the system works you can modify your strategy to increase your odds, it still takes some luck though.   :twocents:

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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #58 on: March 04, 2011, 10:24:07 PM »
not totally right
Washington's system places a multiplier on the points. The number of points is squared and it is this number of random numbers that are issued to the application (or number of cards in the barrel). If a person applies for an elk permit for the first time, they have one card in the barrel. If a person has built up two points, they have four cards in the barrel. If a person has three points built up, nine cards are in the barrel and so on.

Placing a multiplier on the points more noticeably increases the chances of being selected over someone who is a new applicant or was recently awarded a permit.



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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2011, 11:01:25 PM »
No I think I would eat my tag. Rather go home skunked even if I hunted my ass off I think 170 is as low as I would go on mule deer during a draw hunt. 

A 170 buck isn't going to be easy in any unit in washington.  But most of the late season mule deer tags will kick out a buck or two like that every year.
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2011, 06:51:26 AM »
If your willing to work hard and spend alot of time behind a spotter . I'd pick slide ridge , mainly because the big boys might not be down much lowwer in mid november . It wouldn't be my choice if I had a chance to hunt in December however , Gardner would be a good choice aswell  :twocents:
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2011, 10:41:17 AM »
If you are talking 170" net as low as you will go...... You better seriously be prepared for tag soup. Waiting 9 years or more for tag soup is a tough pill to swallow. 150" is still a nice buck, and something I probabaly wouldn't walk away from if I put in the time and effort.
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2011, 08:48:19 PM »
150".
I couldn't walk away...

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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2011, 10:54:37 AM »
seeing a nice buck that is hard to walk away from with a loaded rifle in your hand and the scope caps off
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2011, 05:57:45 PM »
took me 7 years to get drawn for my muly tag .hunted my but off ended up shooting a 150 class buck 27 wide.my biggest  so far and i came home proud

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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2011, 09:00:04 PM »
took me 7 years to get drawn for my muly tag .hunted my but off ended up shooting a 150 class buck 27 wide.my biggest  so far and i came home proud
I would be too Yoter, ya got any pics?
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2011, 11:10:42 PM »
Thats a very nice deer be hard to pass it up. I.ve never been in a posistion to take a deer of that caliber. I mostly elk hunt. But an oldtimer told me of a story when he was in his younger days he was in town after shooting a big mule deer in Montana and an old guy was looking at the deer as he was proud of his kill and asked him if he thought he was a trophy hunter. He said well this is a pretty big deer yah I'm a trophy hunter. The old guy said your not a trophy hunter. He said what do you mean this is a big buck. The old man said if you want to kill a really big buck you have to pass on  bucks like that. After that the guy I talk about started passing on those size bucks and let me tell you his trophy room is something out of this world. I don't know if that buck was from a permit hunt or not but that is a true trophy. I really don't know what our state has to offer for a trophy mule deer since i've only hunted blacktail. if you don't mind was this a special hunt and if it was were you seeing many big deer? Did you pass on any possibles before this one or was that the first big deer you saw and how many days into the season was it? 

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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #67 on: March 07, 2011, 12:33:10 AM »
TROPHY is in the eye of the beholder :IBCOOL: Big, small no matter what it's all about the hunt, no matter WHAT, with the family or with freinds, it's the memories :drool: The hunt it's where it's at, NOT THE BIG RACK :twocents: NO more :beatdeadhorse: And i forgot have fun while youre at it ;)
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #68 on: March 07, 2011, 07:24:17 AM »
if you don't mind was this a special hunt and if it was were you seeing many big deer? Did you pass on any possibles before this one or was that the first big deer you saw and how many days into the season was it? 

This was the 1st buck other than a spike we saw on the 3rd day of a 5 day hunt.  It was a late permit hunt. The way it was snowing and the weather that was coming, we weren't sure if we were going to be able to get back back into where the deer were at. It was about 15 degrees and snowing hard. It's kind of a good example that you never know what will happen on these late hunts. My intention was 160 or bust but after having a very hard time finding deer, I couldn't hold off. I don't have the discipline at this point to eat my tag when a buck like that walks out at that point in my hunt.
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #69 on: March 07, 2011, 05:28:02 PM »
It can be real tough to hold out in those conditions . There's not a permit hunt in this state where a 170 buck should be the standard in my mind. the incentive tag and the muledeer auction tags are a totally different story since you can hunt till the end of December . You take hundreds of square miles and condense a few 170plus bucks into it in December thats where your chances go up . There will always be sheer luck in having a toad show during the permit hunts but not the standard . btw nice buck lope.
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #70 on: March 16, 2011, 09:18:24 AM »
There is no doubt that a 'trophy' is in the eyes of the beholder. However, being a 'trophy hunter' means passing on all but the biggest deer, waiting for the one that EVERY hunter would call big. You can't have 190 inch bucks, if you shoot them when they are 160 inches! For myself, I only shoot a buck if he is bigger than any I have shot...or I shoot the smallest I can find for meat.
 
Regarding one's chances of drawing a good tag in this state....they suck! Sure, someone drew the tag, but no one can have a reasonable expectation of drawing any tag, even with max points. Why? Because too many people have max points. IMO, preference point systems are better for resident hunters (if they include a percentage of tags (25%) which are available to all applicants) and bonus point systems are better for non-resident hunters (only because the non-resident caps on tags keep all but the top tier applicants out of the game).

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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #71 on: March 16, 2011, 11:09:43 AM »
not totally right
Washington's system places a multiplier on the points. The number of points is squared and it is this number of random numbers that are issued to the application (or number of cards in the barrel). If a person applies for an elk permit for the first time, they have one card in the barrel. If a person has built up two points, they have four cards in the barrel. If a person has three points built up, nine cards are in the barrel and so on.

Placing a multiplier on the points more noticeably increases the chances of being selected over someone who is a new applicant or was recently awarded a permit.



You are absolutely correct.
             

Almost correct.  You need to add the 1 chance for the current year.
So, with 3 points you would have 10 chances not 9. 3 squared = 9 PLUS 1 for the current draw.   


First time  =  1 chance
with 1 point  =    2 chances
with 2 points =    5 chances
etc......

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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #72 on: March 16, 2011, 11:14:51 AM »
NoBark, I think the point gets added first and then it is squared.  So, if you have 2 points from previous years applications, then you will have 3 going into this years draw........thus 3 squared = 9 chances.  That is how I understand it anyway.
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #73 on: March 16, 2011, 01:05:05 PM »
NoBark, I think the point gets added first and then it is squared.  So, if you have 2 points from previous years applications, then you will have 3 going into this years draw........thus 3 squared = 9 chances.  That is how I understand it anyway.

Washingtons system is based off of Nevadas system.  And I know for sure that NoBark is right when it comes to the way Nevada does there draw.  And I think he is right when it comes to Washington, but i'm not sure.
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Re: Mule deer permit hunt
« Reply #74 on: March 16, 2011, 01:51:35 PM »
He is likely right.  I likely misunderstood for many years now how they did the points.
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