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What a crock, Why should there be any deals? These people have no clue to reality. Signed petition and sent emails.
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My latest post, had to go back one more time  :chuckle: :chuckle:

How bout some of you that appose the hunting of these wolves go for a hike, without a gun in the National Forests of Idaho and Montana..

I mean get of  your subaru and hike 10 miles into the wildernes without a weapon. I bet you have a different perspective of these "LOVELY CREATURES"....  They are so nice, we should save everyone of them.......NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am sure they love me now........ :chuckle:

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http://earthjustice.org/blog/2011-march/congress-v-endangered-species-wolves-up-for-a-vote
I tried to post this, but it seems they have blocked me out....  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:


Please read this Alaska State report and take actions to protect yourselves.
http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/Wildlife_Diseases_&_Parasites_Alaska.pdf

What causes hydatid disease?
Cystic hydatid disease is caused by the larvae of the tapeworm Echinococcus granulosus.
Lifecycle: The tapeworm needs two hosts: a carnivore (e.g., wolf or dog) and a herbivore (e.g., caribou). The adult tapeworm grows and lays eggs in the intestines of the carnivore. The eggs come out in the carnivore’s droppings and contaminate plants which are eaten by the herbivore. The eggs hatch into larvae that travel to herbivore’s lungs where they form cysts. Carnivores become infected when they eat lungs that contain cysts.

Where does hydatid disease occur?
The adult tapeworm occurs in the intestines of wolves and dogs. The larval form or cyst occurs in moose, caribou, bison, elk and deer, and can occur in humans.
In Alaska cystic hydatid disease occurs commonly in moose and caribou.

What are the signs of hydatid disease?
 Carnivores (e.g., wolves) and herbivores (e.g., moose) usually appear healthy.
In moose and caribou, the cysts have thick walls and are filled with a clear watery liquid.
Cysts are usually found in the lungs but can also occur in the liver or other organs.
Cysts can be ¾ to 4 inches in diameter, but most are ¾ to 2½ inches.
The surrounding tissue is usually normal.

How can I protect myself?
You can be infected from tapeworm eggs found in the droppings of wolves and dogs.
Wear gloves when handling scats from wolves or foxes. The lung cysts in moose and caribou do not infect people. Worm dogs regularly, keep dog lots clean and dispose of dog feces to minimize exposure to eggs of this parasite. Also, use care when handling dog harnesses and other gear that may be contaminated with Echinococcus eggs. When skinning wolves and foxes, keep in mind that the eggs of this parasite can cling to the fur around their and anus.
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got blocked myself  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

oh well we spoke our peace..
I kill elk and eat elk, when I'm not, I'm thinking about killing elk and eating elk.

It doesn't matter what you think...

The Whiners suck!!

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got blocked myself  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

oh well we spoke our peace..

I thought we were not that bad, we just had too many good points they couldn't win the discussion.  :brew:
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 Just thought I'd add this....



 And YOUR Canadian Grey( northern Canadian) wolves have now done what man couldn't do in these areas. They have WIPED OUT the native wolf species!!! Great job
 I'm getting VERY tired of you using our money to fight your legal battles. while I have spent thousands on wildlife, you all have spent nothing!
 If man is so bad for the environment......save the earth = kill yourself.




 actually I changed the "kill yourself" to 'Get off of it"
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Elkaholic daWg I can see you just want to be banned from their site...  :chuckle:
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 Maybe,... but I just did this

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Hi I am new to the web site of hunting washington. But not new to hunting. I totally agree with you guys 100%. I really have no need for the wolves. They are trying to say they want to keep our game in check in Washington. But the problem is that we don't have that much game to keep in check. I grew up in Eastern Oregon around John Day, and the guys down around there will take care of the wolves themselves. Which I don't blame them.

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Welcome to the forum mulie Addict, the ranchers up in the wallowa are sure getting hit hard, I feel bad for them.
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Settlement offer splits wolves’ supporters
By EVE BYRON Helena Independent Record Friday, March 18, 2011
 
A rift among plaintiffs over whether to settle the federal court lawsuit filed to try to keep the gray wolf listed as an endangered species has prompted their attorneys to remove themselves from the case.
 
Doug Honnold, an attorney with Earthjustice in Bozeman, filed a motion Wednesday saying his firm has an “ethical obligation to terminate their legal representation” in the controversial case. He declined to comment on Thursday on the reason for the move, other than to say he regrets not being able to continue to represent the plaintiffs.
 
“I wish I could talk about it, but the motion speaks for itself and we have to withdraw,” Honnold said on Thursday.
 
An ethics opinion he sought from the Montana State Bar notes that a “global settlement has been proposed,” and that some of the clients desire to accept it while others do not. The bar’s ethics subcommittee wrote in the informal opinion that “conflicts between the lawyer’s clients over their disparate settlement positions may create a conflict of interest that could require the withdrawal of counsel.”
 
The subcommittee’s opinion adds that the federal district court retains discretion to refuse to permit the lawyers to withdraw, or to impose conditions on the withdrawal request.
 
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DOI DRAFT Gray Wolf Settlement Release
 
1.06 Mb 20 page PDF file:
 
http://tinyurl.com/5v2yuof
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Here's what others are saying about the wolf "Deal".....


Reaction to the Gray Wolf Settlement:
(emails received March 19-20)
 
Who is going to be appointed to that science panel to review the 300 wolf figure? Recall, that a recent scientific study that summarized all MVP and PVA studies concluded that a minimum of 7500 animals are needed! I would NOT agree to any such review over my collective DEAD body!! This is just a very slick way of increasing wolf numbers! What happens if the panel comes back and says you need 6000 wolves! THIS IS A TRAP!!
 
Charles E.Kay
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Adjunct Associate Professor
Department of Political Science
Utah State University

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There are "snakes" in this supposed settlement. Dr. Kay is right on ...........you can read for yourself some of the stuff wrapped up in this little gem of a "settlement" !!!!!!!!
 
First of all this is primarily the same deal that Baucus/Tester tried to get passed on the CR last December. It only asks the enviros to agree not to sue for 5 years and then it is game on again.........it also asks for a science panel review; so what happened to states' rights to manage? Why are still leaving this in the hands of the Feds?
 
Read it for yourselves... [in above PDF file]
 
M. David Allen
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Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation

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Rep. Mike Simpson is a RINO and frequent saboteur of conservative causes. Sen. Jon Tester is a pro-holocaust forest destroyer and darling of the Earth First! monkey-wrencher crowd. Sen. Max Baucus is the single most corrupt, bribe-taking member of Congress.
 
This unholy troika seeks to undermine wolf delisting and ensure endless litigation. They wish to thwart HR509 and S249, which would delist gray wolves nationwide.
 
HR509 and S249 are supported by Representatives and Senators from over 30 states. Those bills are on the verge of passage. Simpson/Tester/Baucus are attempting to backstab those bills through cynical maneuvers.
 
Don’t be fooled by the Unholy Troika!
 
It is appalling that organizations such as the NRA and SCI are supporting Simpson/Tester/Baucus. We really don’t need to be backstabbed by those pseudo-conservative lobbyist groups, either. If you are a member, please withdraw your support and cut off their funding.
 
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is the dumbest thing conservative conservationists could do right now.
 
See:  http://tinyurl.com/4jfvpnn
 
Comments are welcome.
 
Mike Dubrasich, Exec Dir W.I.S.E.

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I have had gnawing doubts about the real value of the “compromise bill” sponsored by Idaho Representative Simpson and Senators Tester and Baucus of Montana.  This compromise bill would reinstate USFWS 2009 Final Rule while delisting the wolf in Idaho, Montana and in parts of Washington, Oregon, and Utah, while leaving all other states out in the trade off.  That was bad enough; but there is an even greater deleterious effect of this bill that has come to light (see attached).   In addition, the Simpson/Tester/Bauchus bill will overrule and sacrifice the great victory that Wyoming just obtained in Federal Court (Judge Johnson) upholding the Wyoming wolf management plan, which designated wolves as trophy animals in the NW part of the State and as a predator capable of being shot elsewhere in the State.  Contrary to Judge Johnson’s ruling, the 2009 Final Rule rejected Wyoming’s wolf management plan states that “the Wyoming portion of the range represents a significant portion of range where the species remains in danger of extinction because of inadequate regulatory mechanisms.”  In his decision, Judge Johnson found, “There is no scientific or commercial data that suggests the state’s dual classification of wolves, in and of itself, cannot meet, accomplish, and maintain the identified recovery goals in the GYA, including northwestern Wyoming.” Reimplementation of the 2009 Final Rule will eradicate this great court decision, which is now final and beyond the appeal time. 
 
Moreover, the Simpson/Tester/Bauchus bill will significantly weaken the chances for the passage of other contemporary companion bills that are in play: HR509 and S249.  These two companion bills provide far more flexibility and control over wolves and don’t throw Wyoming under the bus.   The Simpson/Tester/Bauchus bill is a “political bill,” that will enable politicians to satisfy both sides.  The Wyoming victory is the first major victory in the wolf wars.  It should not be sacrificed. 
 
Best Regards,
John L. Runft
Runft & Steele Law Offices, PLLC

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Is it moot now that they have made a deal to delist the wolf in MT and ID immediately?  That surely will take a lot of the wind out of the rest of the states sail.  I’m sure that’s why the wolf advocates suggested it.  Can that stand up in court if we sue for not delisting the whole DPS all together?
 
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Interesting point – it would appear that “deal” to delist would not have the deleterious effect on Wyoming that the Simpson/Tester/Bauchus bill would, since the “deal” is not legislatively promulgated.   Like the Simpson/Tester/Bauchus bill, the “deal” does indeed take the wind out of the sails, in that it serves to divide the opposition.   On your third point, I am not sure what the legal impact is from the standpoint of the DPS.......I would have to give that some thought and wait to see how Judge Molloy handles that issue in his order. 
 
Best Regards,
John L. Runft

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I think you're right on the money.
 
Looks to me as though we need to redouble our efforts to get HR 509/S 249 passed.  Seems like this is an attempt to derail the push for those two bills as they will not only affect the USFWS but also enviro groups that are making billions off the EAJA.  These groups don't care about wolves, nor do they care about wildlife; they are in this for the money and the power.
 
I'm no attorney but it would seem to me that the NRM DPS violates the 10th Amendment to the United States Constitution as it sets aside state sovereignty and the right of states to manage their own affairs free of federal infringement.  It would also seem to me that the NRM DPS violates the very construct of the US Constitution in that it established a union of individual states, each sovereign in their own right.
 
Lynn S

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A deal is a deal! These people have moved the goal post so many times, the current plan doesn't have one ounce of resemblance to the "Original Deal". The latest maneuver by the USFWS/Environmental activists is a sham. The intent of these criminals is to infest every state with wolves, and destroy hunting and ranching.
 
Nothing less than complete removal of this invasive species is acceptable. The elk, and moose have taken the brunt of this mess, and we need to remove the Canadian Gray Wolf from "The List". HR 509 is the Legislation that must move forward, anything else is smoke and mirrors.
 
If you need to convince your friends of what is needed, order my film Yellowstone is Dead. It is 2 hours of facts, and the cinematic version of the entire mess.
 
http://tinyurl.com/5trqvmx
 
Scott Rockholm
President/CEO
Save Western Wildlife Inc.
Rockholm Media Group

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“Compromise” To Delist Wolves an Orchestrated Fraud
March 19, 2011 Tom Remington Black Bear Blog
 
Yesterday I wrote about the concerns of the legal team that successfully won a lawsuit that upheld Wyoming’s wolf management plan. Those concerns were grounded in efforts by Idaho Rep. Mike Simpson and Montana’s senators Baucus and Tester, to fudge a rider through Congress on a budget bill that would appear to delist gray wolves in Idaho and Montana, leaving the rest of the nation to go it on their own.
 
I ended that piece by asking:
 
Now the question becomes, what did the USFWS know behind the scenes, before they decided to not appeal the Johnson ruling? My guess is this was all part of the plan. If Simpson, Tester and Baucus felt confident in their slime-ball politicking to lie, cheat and steal their way into a rottenly deceptive bill, they convinced the USFWS to go ahead and drop their appeal and they would get a better return on their investment this way.
 
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The [Wolf] Fraud Continues
March 20, 2011 Black Bear Blog
 
Guest Blog by Barry Coe
 
After working 70 hours this last week and then trying to keep up in a very busy week in the wolf wars, I am sitting here this Saturday morning amazed at the fact this situation is becoming even more asinine than it was previously. I have come across some very interesting comments from the wolf cult as well as the realization that we are kicking their behinds at their own game.
 
For 13 years we were dictated to, told what we would do, what we would accept in our backyards, that our historical actions did not matter, that it was of no concern to those who actually paid for anything, a law, written by politicians and passed by one of the most criminal presidents in history, was going to be used to conquer us, rob our money, ruin our way of life. For 14 years we listened to the claim of the ‘best available science’ even as we’ve seen through the fallacies of such created science, we watched through our own back windows as the situation on the ground declined even as the dictators claimed otherwise. We were forced to sit down and shut the hell up until the reality was so obviously blatant that the reality could no longer be ignored. The other side’s continual overreaching and addiction of public money to feed their lawyers and their cause made them both brazen and careless. Their momentum was so taken for granted, their activist judge so reliable, they stepped completely away from any claim of science, not that they ever truly used it, but now it was painfully obvious they could care less about even hiding behind it.
 
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Wolf bargain in the works
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service drops a court appeal and will look again at Wyoming’s lobo plan.
 
By Cory Hatch, Jackson Hole, Wyo. March 16, 2011
 
Wyoming and the federal government will head back to the negotiating table after the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service agreed with a court decision to reconsider Wyoming’s wolf plan.
 
The agency Monday withdrew its appeal of the court decision. U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson in Cheyenne last year said the Fish and Wildlife Service ignored science when it rejected Wyoming’s plan.
 
“We will continue ongoing negotiations with Wyoming to reach agreement on a wolf management plan that satisfies the Endangered Species Act,” acting Fish and Wildlife Director Rowan Gould said in a statement Tuesday. “Rather than lose more time in court with an appeal that won’t help resolve the problem, the Service looks forward to working on a plan that can meet the state’s needs while ensuring maintenance of a viable and sustainable recovered wolf population that is connected to other populations in Montana and Idaho.”
 
At issue is Wyoming’s law and plan that would allow wolves to be killed by any means at any time in roughly 88 percent of the state.
 
Only in northwestern Wyoming would wolves be managed as trophy game, where they could be hunted according to regulation and season.
 
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wow!  Good morning bearpaw!  Lol
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