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Offline dylanb

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22-250
« on: September 21, 2011, 03:36:22 PM »
should the 22-250 be legal for deer and is it to light for deer.i know in idaho and oregon is but why not here

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 05:42:10 PM »
I don't think any of the .22 centerfires should be legal for deer, I agree with the .24 caliber minimum. That said, a .22 centerfire will work with proper shot placement. The thing is that they are not reliable penetrators. There is no reason to hunt deer with a varmit gun. I cannot think of a single good reason reason why someone would want to hunt deer with a varmit caliber. That's my two cents on the matter.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 05:49:15 PM »
The 22-250 with the heavier bullets(Partitions/ bonded core) and the proper twist rate is a down right deadly deer cartridge. I have killed plenty of antelope with one. Hell, I have dropped some Antelope quicker at 350 yards with a 22-250 than I have mature mule deer at 200 yards with a .375 Ultra mag. Everyone one of them takes the hit different.
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Re: 22-250
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 05:55:32 PM »
I agree with wreckerman they do not have enough penetrating power. When they were legal in this State I saw two bucks hit hard and did not go down 1 with a .22-250 and the other with a .233. We tracked the two bucks for 3 days and never found them on public land they both went into tribal land that we could not hunt. Unfortunately I was not in a safe position to use my .243. The only deer taken that year was with an old Winchester 38-55. :twocents:
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Re: 22-250
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 06:09:05 PM »
What gets me is that if it is legal to shoot deer with a .22 centerfire, then people will decide "this thing should work on elk too". My dad has a great story from back in the day involving my aunt's ex-husband taking a .223 elk hunting. This genius emptied his rifle into a bull elk which then decided to charge this guy and my uncle. Those little bullets didn't even slow the sob down. The ordeal ended with my uncle shooting the poor beast in the chest with his '06. The animal took a couple rickety steps and died. To this day Wayne will tell you his .223s had done most of the work.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 06:21:47 PM »

I love shooting my 22-250.... at coyotes. I'm sure a 22-250 would kill a deer but I know for a fact what my 30-06 can do. If it were legal I would still use the old 06.
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Re: 22-250
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2011, 06:26:35 PM »
I agree with wreckerman they do not have enough penetrating power. When they were legal in this State I saw two bucks hit hard and did not go down 1 with a .22-250 and the other with a .233. We tracked the two bucks for 3 days and never found them on public land they both went into tribal land that we could not hunt. Unfortunately I was not in a safe position to use my .243. The only deer taken that year was with an old Winchester 38-55. :twocents:


Like I said, with the proper bullet and twist, it is a DEADLY deer cartridge. Feed a well capable rifle and scope combo CHIT fodder and your going to get CHIT results.
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Re: 22-250
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2011, 06:28:44 PM »
I've seen a few deer killed in Montana with 22 centerfires, they work fine with proper bullet placement. Longest shot I ever saw taken at a deer, 700+ yards was with a 22-250 and the deer dropped literally in it's tracks. One of the biggest bulls I ever saw killed was up the south fork of the flathead and shot a single time with a 220 swift by a logger who only hunted with that gun. The 22 centerfires will do the job if bullet placement is good
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Re: 22-250
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2011, 08:10:09 PM »
I think a major issue with allowing 22 centerfires for big game is bullet choice (as has been stated). When you get into 24 cal centerfire cartridges, most off the shelf ammo you'll find at typical sporting goods retailers is designed for big game hunting. Drop down to any 22 cal cartridge and most are either FMJ or highly frangible varmint type bullets. The informed user can choose appropriate ammunition for deer hunting in 22 caliber weapons, but many hunters do not fit this classification. Many would buy the cheapest ammo in the shelf (likely varmint type) and go hunting. This is a recipe for lots of wounded animals. That's my theory on the matter.
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Re: 22-250
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2011, 08:23:25 PM »
Shoot them in the head and there is plenty of penatration. Use my 22-250 to kill deer and my uncle has a .223 dpms ar15 that has killed its share of animals too. Shooting a deer in the side gets me an butt whoopin we are taught from a young age that a head shot is the only one to take. Grandpa used to chew us and tell us we wasted to much meat. We dont even use the 30-06 that every one else  seems to shoot them with.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2011, 08:27:16 PM »
In my opinion the 22-250 is more effective on deer size game than a .243.  It may be the velocity, or the tumble of the bullet, I don't know what it is exactly, but if they were both leagal and I had to choose one I would definitely choose the 22-250.  that being said, I use a .300 win mag just to make sure!    :chuckle:

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2011, 09:39:26 PM »
Shoot them in the head and there is plenty of penatration. Use my 22-250 to kill deer and my uncle has a .223 dpms ar15 that has killed its share of animals too. Shooting a deer in the side gets me an butt whoopin we are taught from a young age that a head shot is the only one to take. Grandpa used to chew us and tell us we wasted to much meat. We dont even use the 30-06 that every one else  seems to shoot them with.

This is why a bigger rifle is better, the don't require a hunter to shoot a deer in the head to perform.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2011, 11:40:41 PM »
I think a major issue with allowing 22 centerfires for big game is bullet choice (as has been stated). When you get into 24 cal centerfire cartridges, most off the shelf ammo you'll find at typical sporting goods retailers is designed for big game hunting. Drop down to any 22 cal cartridge and most are either FMJ or highly frangible varmint type bullets. The informed user can choose appropriate ammunition for deer hunting in 22 caliber weapons, but many hunters do not fit this classification. Many would buy the cheapest ammo in the shelf (likely varmint type) and go hunting. This is a recipe for lots of wounded animals. That's my theory on the matter.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2011, 11:44:42 PM »
Paired with the right bullet the 22 centerfire rds are just fine for mid sized game: such as deer and lopes.
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Re: 22-250
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2011, 11:54:56 PM »
I think it sucks that there has to be regs for what equipment we can/can't use (to some extent).  Hate to see the good ones punished for the actions of the ones that ruin it.  People should know when what equipment is suitable and the limitations.  With that being said, if there was a way to prevent the 'wrong' use or at least most-then I'd say allow the .22 centerfires.  I've seen plenty of animals taken with .222, .223, .22-250, and .220 Swift in other states.  Mostly deer but a few preferred the .22-250 for elk.  They did head/neck shots on the animals and they worked great.  The ones not shot in the head/neck...well, long days tracking or loast animals.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2011, 12:08:42 AM »
are head/neck shots so much harder with larger caliber guns   :dunno:?  i hit a cow at the base of the skull with my 30/06 at 250 yards and she dropped in her tracks (jerked the trigger.  was shooting for the shoulder  :yike: ).  not an ounce of wasted meat, and with the '06, if she had kept moving, body shots would probably have been more effective than a .22 caliber.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2011, 08:08:38 AM »
I think it sucks that there has to be regs for what equipment we can/can't use (to some extent).  Hate to see the good ones punished for the actions of the ones that ruin it.  People should know when what equipment is suitable and the limitations.  With that being said, if there was a way to prevent the 'wrong' use or at least most-then I'd say allow the .22 centerfires.  I've seen plenty of animals taken with .222, .223, .22-250, and .220 Swift in other states.  Mostly deer but a few preferred the .22-250 for elk.  They did head/neck shots on the animals and they worked great.  The ones not shot in the head/neck...well, long days tracking or loast oanimals.

I do not endorse .22 centerfires for deer or elk hunting and would not use one. I do agree with you that we do not need laws prohibiting their use. A lot of the people that can't use them effectively can't use any rifle effectively.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2011, 09:42:30 AM »
The difference in a .22 caliber bullet, compared to a .24 caliber bullet; a .02 difference, has very little effect on terminal performance. A well placed .22 caliber bullet, will kill just as well as a .30 caliber bullet. The difference in my opinion is mainly penetration. A 100 grain bullet will penetrate better than a 50 grain bullet (provided they are both good weight retaining bullets), so a shot not placed so well, say quartering towards or away, needs a better penetrating bullet. Roy Weatherby did tests in Africa shooting guns like a 257 weatherby, vs 300 weatherby, vs 375 H&H. In many of the animals the smaller caliber guns outperformed the larger ones, he credited this to a higher velocity smaller bullet.

That being said, when I was younger and hunted with a 243 single shot, I think every deer and antelope I shot dropped in its tracks. I now shoot a 300 weatherby and can't remember an animal I have recently shot that dropped instantly. I shot a deer from under 20 yards a couple years ago with a 44 mag rifle, 300 grain bonded bullet, the deer died but didn't drop like I would have thought it would.

Not at all saying I think a 22-250 should be used for deer, let alone an elk. As everyone knows a well placed shot is much more important than bullet diameter.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2011, 10:06:46 AM »
A .25 Auto handgun with minimum 4 inch barrel is legal for deer, elk, and bear. So why not a 22-250 for deer?

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2011, 10:16:16 AM »
From what I saw when skinning animals shot by .22 centerfires, there was a difference in terminal performance.  The size/weight increase might not seem a big deal, but even if a rib/shoulder was hit with say an '06 the bullet still kept pretty much on a straight path.  With the varmint guns, we'd find the bullet stuck in the spine or it had gone off on a different angle and came out the throat.  With head/neck shots it didn't matter, but the body shots seemed to really alter the path of the little bullets.  For animals larger than deer, like elk, the same thing was basically happening with even larger calibers like the .243 win.  Most of the guys I knew that used the small guns did so because that was what they were used to.  Their folks started them off hunting at an early age and needed a gun that wouldn't kick and cause them to flinch. 

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2011, 10:58:06 AM »
My time with a 22 centerfire I would shoot a deer with one loaded with the partition or other well built bullet. I wouldn't use it on bear or elk etc, but if you can wack a cougar with one a deer shouldn't be a problem.
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Re: 22-250
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2011, 11:01:43 AM »
A .25 Auto handgun with minimum 4 inch barrel is legal for deer, elk, and bear.

which is also dumb.  why did they do away with the minimum energy requirements?

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2011, 11:07:50 AM »
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which is also dumb.  why did they do away with the minimum energy requirements?

Yes it is. They did away with all those rules a few years back when their goal was to simplify the regulations.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2011, 11:25:11 AM »
I thought the same thing on handguns, but when was the last time you saw a 25 auto with a 4" barrel?
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Re: 22-250
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2011, 11:28:25 AM »
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I thought the same thing on handguns, but when was the last time you saw a 25 auto with a 4" barrel?
   Yeah I know, there may not be such a thing, but the minimum is 24 caliber and a 4 inch barrel. How about a 38 Special with a 4 inch barrel? I know that combination exists and I wouldn't want to use it as my primary elk gun.   :chuckle:    (or a 9mm)

 

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