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Re: Colockum Elk Herd
« Reply #75 on: February 21, 2012, 05:58:00 PM »
Well colockumelk, since your SO good with numbers, exactly how many yakamas hunt trophies in the colockum?

Thanks for the compliment sure thing. Since Yakamas refuse to partake in wildlife management or research the only way the WDFW could guess at the impact Yakamas have on the Colockum elk herd was by using eyes in the woods and game wardens. The average number of BRANCH BULLS taken by Yakamas every year was 40. That was in 2006. According to a few Yakama members I've talked to since 2006 the number of Yakamas hunting the Colockum has dramatically increased. So its orphan ly higher than 40. I know for a FACT one of your members killed 4 in one year by himself. That was twice as many as permit hunters killed that year.   Hope that clarified things for you Hairtrigger.

Does the state or DOT keep track of all the road kills along I-90 , I know theres at least one or two every day in the cle elum area

The sub-herd west of 97 is doing fine. It's the elk in 328/329 that is hurting.
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (updated)
« Reply #76 on: February 22, 2012, 07:15:51 PM »
Here's the update.

As many of you know in the new proposals they are now going to issue out cow permits in the Colockum.  The bull permits remained the same (1 rifle rut permit, 2 rifle permits, 1 ml permit, 2 bow permits) but now you can use your colockum bull tag and hunt in the Teannaway.  Rifle Hunters get 40 cow permits and ML get 30 cow permits. For archery the late season you can now hunt cows without a permit.

Now for the new part. In the early archery season bow hunters will get 50 permits.  The goal for cows harvested with an antlerless permit is 100.  So the above numbers of permits are solid and I agree with them 100%. 

Okay now to stir the pot because I'm bored. The WDFW could give out more cow permits in the Colockum but Master Hunters kill on average 184 cows a year in the Colockum. :tup:
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (updated)
« Reply #77 on: February 22, 2012, 07:24:25 PM »
I thank you you for all that you have done. I wish I could have done more for the battle with the tribes and the herd and the wdfw. Im truely greatful!

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (updated)
« Reply #78 on: February 22, 2012, 08:57:24 PM »
Here's the update.

As many of you know in the new proposals they are now going to issue out cow permits in the Colockum.  The bull permits remained the same (1 rifle rut permit, 2 rifle permits, 1 ml permit, 2 bow permits) but now you can use your colockum bull tag and hunt in the Teannaway.  Rifle Hunters get 40 cow permits and ML get 30 cow permits. For archery the late season you can now hunt cows without a permit.

Now for the new part. In the early archery season bow hunters will get 50 permits.  The goal for cows harvested with an antlerless permit is 100.  So the above numbers of permits are solid and I agree with them 100%. 

Okay now to stir the pot because I'm bored. The WDFW could give out more cow permits in the Colockum but Master Hunters kill on average 184 cows a year in the Colockum. :tup:
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #79 on: February 22, 2012, 09:02:42 PM »
Yes the special permits for cows will be for 328 and 329 for all three user groups.  The late season archery general season hunt that is true spike/antlerless will be for 328 only.
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #80 on: February 22, 2012, 09:09:56 PM »
alright thanks,just making sure :)

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #81 on: February 23, 2012, 12:46:26 AM »
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How many cows an does are killed by members?? An 4 is a long ways from 40 neff
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #82 on: February 23, 2012, 07:22:20 AM »
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How many cows an does are killed by members?? An 4 is a long ways from 40 neff

Very few. Like I said members don't drive all the way to the Colockum to shoot a cow. If your just after meat it makes sense to just shoot a cow on the reservation or in the Yakima herd. Way cheaper on gas.

Your second sentance is confusing. Members overall shoot 40+ a year. 4 of those was from 1 member.
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #83 on: February 23, 2012, 08:52:48 AM »
I highly doubt 40+ bulls get shot in colockum, I've never been there, don't seem like there would be any bulls if 40+ a year are shot up there.
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #84 on: February 23, 2012, 09:23:57 AM »
Between some that are known on here and maybe a couple of others I would estimate around 20.  I know 3 people in particular have harvested at least 6-8 bulls that I've been able to at least partially confirm.  But there is the unknown variable to account for.
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #85 on: February 23, 2012, 10:27:26 AM »
I've been putting in for ghost cow permits since the permit change a few years back only because I knew sooner or later something would open up for archery cow permits.

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #86 on: February 23, 2012, 10:49:56 AM »
Finally a step in the right direction. It will take a long time to fix the rest. But i have no more faith in the system. some people just dont want to work together. Politics is the problem. THANKS CLOCKUMELK   :tup:


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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #87 on: February 23, 2012, 10:59:29 AM »
I highly doubt 40+ bulls get shot in colockum, I've never been there, don't seem like there would be any bulls if 40+ a year are shot up there.

What you wrote after the second comma is what the entire issue with the Colockum is all about. 
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #88 on: February 23, 2012, 11:11:49 AM »
Between some that are known on here and maybe a couple of others I would estimate around 20.  I know 3 people in particular have harvested at least 6-8 bulls that I've been able to at least partially confirm.  But there is the unknown variable to account for.
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #89 on: February 23, 2012, 11:16:13 AM »
huh...im confused? am i the only one that thinks the elk on the colockum are thick as thieves? the last evening drive we went on up there we seen atleast 300 elk in just one spot and heard way more, i use to muzzleload on the colockum on a hunt that was down low...and there is no shortage of elk anywhere in the colockum i grew up camping way up coleman creek and i seen some of the biggest bulls in my life up on the colockum....by the time modern comes around i think a huge number of the elk have just been pushed to the preserve and with someone everyone ten feet up there they just get pushed so hard its stupid,  i wont be a part of hunting elk on the colockum im proud to say im not a part of the zoo of people up there

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #90 on: February 23, 2012, 11:31:28 AM »
I highly doubt 40+ bulls get shot in colockum, I've never been there, don't seem like there would be any bulls if 40+ a year are shot up there.

SO if you've never been there how would you know?  Ten years ago when they did surveys they would see 300+ branch bulls. The last one they did they saw 70.  The past 5 years they give out about 6 branch bulls permits. About 3 bulls a year get shot out of those 6 permits. You do the math on why the bull population has rapidly declined.

Plateau your correct. 20 bulls a year is probably a good number for a for sure number harvested. But since there isn't any reporting we can't know for sure.

Predatorpro. I never said there was a shortage of elk. I said there was a shortage of branch bulls. Out of those 300 how many were mature bulls?
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #91 on: February 23, 2012, 12:31:17 PM »
I highly doubt 40+ bulls get shot in colockum, I've never been there, don't seem like there would be any bulls if 40+ a year are shot up there.

What you wrote after the second comma is what the entire issue with the Colockum is all about.
comments like this make me think maybe I outta ccheck it out
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #92 on: February 23, 2012, 12:38:38 PM »
huh...im confused? am i the only one that thinks the elk on the colockum are thick as thieves? the last evening drive we went on up there we seen atleast 300 elk in just one spot and heard way more, i use to muzzleload on the colockum on a hunt that was down low...and there is no shortage of elk anywhere in the colockum i grew up camping way up coleman creek and i seen some of the biggest bulls in my life up on the colockum....by the time modern comes around i think a huge number of the elk have just been pushed to the preserve and with someone everyone ten feet up there they just get pushed so hard its stupid,  i wont be a part of hunting elk on the colockum im proud to say im not a part of the zoo of people up there
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #93 on: February 23, 2012, 02:36:59 PM »
I highly doubt 40+ bulls get shot in colockum, I've never been there, don't seem like there would be any bulls if 40+ a year are shot up there.

What you wrote after the second comma is what the entire issue with the Colockum is all about.
comments like this make me think maybe I outta ccheck it out

So the reality of the situation offends you :dunno:  The reality is the branch bull numbers continue to fall in the Colockum despite the WDFW giving out less and less branch bull permits and despite the fact that the Colockum has the strictest general season rules in the entire west. There are fewer hunters in the Colockum than ever before. Harvest levels for both branch bulls and yearling bulls are at an all time low. Meanwhile because of popularity and word of mouth more and more tribal hunters go to the Colockum. Members of your own tribe have told me this.

This is the reality and the issues we face in the Colockum. To ignore the impact that tribal hunters now have on the Colockum is either naive or you don't care. The WDFW is doing about all they can to improve the herd but without the help of the Yakama Tribe they are just treading water. Change and improvement CAN NOT and WILL NOT happen without the cooperation of the Yakama Tribal Council. And since they refuse to help the WDFW tells me either they are unaware of the problem or do not care. If they are unaware then I would be more than willing to raise awareness of the problems. If they don't care (which I doubt) then shame on them for not helping to conserve the resources we share.

We share the resources so our two groups should share the responsibility of conservation and managment. If my posts are offensive or upsetting then well I don't know what to tell you. I tell it like it is but I'm fair and polite.
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (updated)
« Reply #94 on: February 23, 2012, 02:50:29 PM »
Here's the update.

As many of you know in the new proposals they are now going to issue out cow permits in the Colockum.  The bull permits remained the same (1 rifle rut permit, 2 rifle permits, 1 ml permit, 2 bow permits) but now you can use your colockum bull tag and hunt in the Teannaway.  Rifle Hunters get 40 cow permits and ML get 30 cow permits. For archery the late season you can now hunt cows without a permit.

Now for the new part. In the early archery season bow hunters will get 50 permits.  The goal for cows harvested with an antlerless permit is 100.  So the above numbers of permits are solid and I agree with them 100%. 

Okay now to stir the pot because I'm bored. The WDFW could give out more cow permits in the Colockum but Master Hunters kill on average 184 cows a year in the Colockum. :tup:

Here is what I would rather talk about.

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #95 on: February 23, 2012, 02:59:00 PM »

Okay now to stir the pot because I'm bored. The WDFW could give out more cow permits in the Colockum but Master Hunters kill on average 184 cows a year in the Colockum. :tup:

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #96 on: February 23, 2012, 03:39:45 PM »
Its not up to Tribal council
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« Reply #97 on: February 23, 2012, 04:09:10 PM »
Then who in the hell is it up to over there?my God this attitude is assinine. The numbers don't lie the herd is in trouble and all I hear from tribal members on here is its not up to us
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #98 on: February 23, 2012, 04:24:29 PM »

Okay now to stir the pot because I'm bored. The WDFW could give out more cow permits in the Colockum but Master Hunters kill on average 184 cows a year in the Colockum. :tup:

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No tears from me. We are getting antlerless permits and the Master Hunters days of 2 cow tags a year is out the door. Only smiles for me.   :tup:
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #99 on: February 24, 2012, 08:44:18 AM »
I highly doubt 40+ bulls get shot in colockum, I've never been there, don't seem like there would be any bulls if 40+ a year are shot up there.

What you wrote after the second comma is what the entire issue with the Colockum is all about.
comments like this make me think maybe I outta ccheck it out

We need more branch bulls in the Colockum. If all the cows are not "covered" those open cows will start comming into heat at wierd times, being pregnant when they should be in heat, in return having calves at wierd times that wont survive. More than once I have seen calves that look like new bornes in November up there. Its a big mess, but an easy fix if more bulls survive.
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