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Baiting Regs
« on: May 15, 2012, 04:02:27 PM »
"What Is Baiting?
You cannot hunt waterfowl by the aid of baiting or on or over any baited area where you know or reasonably should know that the area is or has been baited.
Baiting is the direct or indirect placing, exposing, depositing, distributing, or scattering of salt, grain, or other feed that could lure or attract waterfowl to, on, or over any areas where hunters are attempting to take them.
A baited area is any area on which salt, grain, or other feed has been placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, or scattered, if that salt, grain, or feed could serve as a lure or attraction for waterfowl."

What about plastic corn cobs?  Or yellow painted cans mixed in your spread?  Is this considered bait?  Technically it is not feed, but decoy feed.  Fish and Wildlife says its baiting, but could not point me to a regulation or definition of baiting which covers decoy feed.  Is this in the regs somewhere?  Has anyone done this?  I read the tip in a 1971 Herters Professional Guide Manual.

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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2012, 04:40:21 PM »
I have a few bags of plastic ears of corn.  Never tried them, but I am sure in the right situation birds would lock onto them if they had been feeding in corn.  This should be legal as it is a decoy.
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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2012, 04:54:29 PM »
"Fish and Wildlife says its baiting"

Who from F&W said that?  Yellow cans are not bait.
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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2012, 05:13:25 PM »
I called the Yakima office today; I believe the mans name was Kevin.  Was told the federal definition of bait includes anything that imitates feed...  I could not find any reg to support that, so I posted here.




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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2012, 05:47:43 PM »
I think he's mistaken.  Ask him to cite the legal reference.
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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2012, 05:51:30 PM »
I use fake cobs all the time ....guess I am illegal again ... Dang !

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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2012, 06:37:34 AM »
How about this - would this be baiting:

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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2012, 11:32:38 AM »
How about this - would this be baiting:

I like the sleeper decoy in the front  :chuckle:

I forgot who did it, but one of the decoy companies threw in a couple free fake corn cobs in with their box of decoys

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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2012, 10:51:01 PM »
How about this - would this be baiting:

I like the sleeper decoy in the front  :chuckle:

I forgot who did it, but one of the decoy companies threw in a couple free fake corn cobs in with their box of decoys

I think those used to come in the G & H decoys.
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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2012, 12:06:29 AM »
Here is the web address for Federal waterfowl regulations.

http://www.fws.gov/le/HuntFish/waterfowl_baiting.htm

From what I read there doesn't appear to be any mention of "fake" corn cobs, yellow cans or any other "fake" bait.

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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2012, 10:05:40 AM »
There is no law against fake bait.  If bait was legal the trick would be to bait the area and let the birds start to use it first.  Keep replacing the eaten bait and then hunt, if legal.  You would not have much luck the first day throwing grain out in the deks.  If fake bait worked the first time seen from the air it still would not keep birds coming back time after time.   

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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2012, 10:49:38 AM »
I called the Yakima office today; I believe the mans name was Kevin.  Was told the federal definition of bait includes anything that imitates feed...  I could not find any reg to support that, so I posted here.

Then hunting waterfowl at all would be illegal. We all hunt where birds intend to feed so every field would be considered "Baited" by this idiots(Kevin) logic.

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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2012, 08:29:27 PM »
I called the Yakima office today; I believe the mans name was Kevin.  Was told the federal definition of bait includes anything that imitates feed...  I could not find any reg to support that, so I posted here.

Then hunting waterfowl at all would be illegal. We all hunt where birds intend to feed so every field would be considered "Baited" by this idiots(Kevin) logic.

Not if you're shooting the roost!   :hello:

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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2012, 07:29:47 AM »
Got me thinking, do they sell large fake mats of duckweed?

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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2012, 05:48:58 PM »
I called the Yakima office today; I believe the mans name was Kevin.  Was told the federal definition of bait includes anything that imitates feed...  I could not find any reg to support that, so I posted here.

Then hunting waterfowl at all would be illegal. We all hunt where birds intend to feed so every field would be considered "Baited" by this idiots(Kevin) logic.

Not if you're shooting the roost!   :hello:

Shooting the roost is as stupid as this Kevin fella seems to be  :hello:

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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2012, 02:25:57 PM »
Im wondering if this is the same tool that was citing people over on the eastside for hunting geese that were heading to grain elevators to feed.  According to this dude, if you were calling at these geese, even if you were a mile or more away from the silos, you were hunting baited birds,  As they are under the influence of the scattered grain.  Un freakin believable!

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Baiting Regs
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2012, 10:04:14 AM »
How about this - would this be baiting:

I like the sleeper decoy in the front  :chuckle:

I forgot who did it, but one of the decoy companies threw in a couple free fake corn cobs in with their box of decoys

GHG FFD's came with two ears of fake corn in the harvester packs. It works, I have seen geese peck at the plastic. I have also been checked with a couple dozen plastic ears in the field.

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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2012, 04:28:43 PM »
I have a few bags of plastic ears of corn.  Never tried them, but I am sure in the right situation birds would lock onto them if they had been feeding in corn.  This should be legal as it is a decoy.
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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2012, 10:42:32 PM »
GHG FFD's came with two ears of fake corn in the harvester packs. It works, I have seen geese peck at the plastic. I have also been checked with a couple dozen plastic ears in the field.

How do you know it was the fake corn not the decoys or the calling that worked.
Try hunting a field of fake corn only and no decoys and then tell us if it works.

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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2012, 11:03:47 PM »
I have actually just used the plastic corn, no decoys. Worked well, especially if you can set it out a couple days ahead. I also watched geese land in a spread and knock a DSD over to steal the fake corn from under it. Nothing works every, time but geese seem to know what ears of corn are.  Especially if your using them in a corn field. :DOH: :DOH:


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Re: Baiting Regs
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2012, 07:03:20 AM »
Im wondering if this is the same tool that was citing people over on the eastside for hunting geese that were heading to grain elevators to feed.  According to this dude, if you were calling at these geese, even if you were a mile or more away from the silos, you were hunting baited birds,  As they are under the influence of the scattered grain.  Un freakin believable!

If true, what a dimwhit!

As far as I know you can legally hunt over grain that is in the field during the "normal" course of standard agricultural practices.  If a grain trailer tips over in a muddy field, you should legally be able to hunt over the residue.  Too bad some of these guys don't have anything better to do.  BTW, not bashing on hard-working, non-brain dead law enforcement.

 

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