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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2012, 09:04:55 AM »
Actually in Colorado you have to take cougar meat , its the law. Here is a link , then go to page 6 and under "special regulations" go to #7 and it clearly states : All edible part of the cougar must be prepared for human consumption.

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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2012, 09:30:05 AM »
Since I know where he's hoping to harvest this mythical critter, then I feel compelled to provide my  :twocents: .  I would shoot one there in a NY second.  I would not pack out the meat or hide.  You lose 2 days of hunting your targeted species which we spend all year thinking and dreaming about on here.  Our seasons are short; cougar is good; it's not good enough to lose 2 days. 
I will pack a bear out because it's required.  I would not pack the hide out; that's 4 days lost instead of 2.  I would shoot both to help the deer and elk population.
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2012, 09:50:03 AM »
Cougar meat is great... certainly better than bear meat.  :twocents:
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2012, 09:52:14 AM »
My all time favorite meat is cougar (with grouse and bacon of course).

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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2012, 10:00:29 AM »
I'm sure you mean well by your question. But I couldn't help but be irritated a little by your hypothetical question. I shot one a couple years ago, they are delicious. Better than venison in my opinion. On top of this, it does have a niche in the ecosystem. I just don't feel like any game animal should be harvested in vein. Don't pull the trigger if you can't pack it out. Just my opinion.

admittedly my own instinct is the same however this same idea can be applied to all creatures we can shoot, thus crows, coyotes, and coons should also all be treated in this manner if we are to apply this broad brush of ethics. :dunno: :dunno:

that said I am not completely sure what the wastage rules are with regard to cougar, I have had it and it was a lot like pork that same day I had deer that tasted like gamey grossness  :dunno: so in that vein under those circumstances based on how the deer tasted it shoulda been left behind  :chuckle:
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2012, 11:15:25 AM »
Bearpaw, what would you say the weight of the meat from a cougar the way you recomend dressing it out is on average?
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2012, 11:27:29 AM »
Since I know where he's hoping to harvest this mythical critter, then I feel compelled to provide my  :twocents: .  I would shoot one there in a NY second.  I would not pack out the meat or hide.  You lose 2 days of hunting your targeted species which we spend all year thinking and dreaming about on here.  Our seasons are short; cougar is good; it's not good enough to lose 2 days. 

Don't forget about hide sealing requirements.  :tup:

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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2012, 09:21:05 PM »
I'm sure you mean well by your question. But I couldn't help but be irritated a little by your hypothetical question. I shot one a couple years ago, they are delicious. Better than venison in my opinion. On top of this, it does have a niche in the ecosystem. I just don't feel like any game animal should be harvested in vein. Don't pull the trigger if you can't pack it out. Just my opinion.

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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2012, 09:44:32 PM »
The last 2 cougars I shot were good cats and I took out around 60 lbs. of good meat without boning out the hinds

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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2012, 11:13:43 PM »
Actually in Colorado you have to take cougar meat , its the law. Here is a link , then go to page 6 and under "special regulations" go to #7 and it clearly states : All edible part of the cougar must be prepared for human consumption.

 http://www.flipseekpubs.com/publication/?i=84750

Glad you posted, I didn't know that, I stand corrected. Just goes to show that you can learn something new everyday.  :chuckle:
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2012, 11:26:16 PM »
I would end a deer hunt in a heartbeat to pack out a cat.  I love deer hunting but a cat is at the top of my list.  Besides its not like deer are hard to come by. 
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2012, 08:11:32 AM »
Actually in Colorado you have to take cougar meat , its the law. Here is a link , then go to page 6 and under "special regulations" go to #7 and it clearly states : All edible part of the cougar must be prepared for human consumption.

 http://www.flipseekpubs.com/publication/?i=84750

Glad you posted, I didn't know that, I stand corrected. Just goes to show that you can learn something new everyday.  :chuckle:

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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2012, 08:26:30 AM »
Cougars are considered big game therefore it is illegal to let them go to waste...

RCW = 77.15.170


77.15.170
Waste of fish and wildlife — Penalty.

     *** CHANGE IN 2012 *** (SEE 6135-S.SL) ***

(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife in the second degree if:

     (a) The person kills, takes, or possesses fish, shellfish, or wildlife and the value of the fish, shellfish, or wildlife is greater than twenty dollars but less than two hundred fifty dollars; and

     (b) The person recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.

     (2) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife in the first degree if:

     (a) The person kills, takes, or possesses fish, shellfish, or wildlife having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more or wildlife classified as big game; and

     (b) The person recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.

     (3)(a) Waste of fish and wildlife in the second degree is a misdemeanor.

     (b) Waste of fish and wildlife in the first degree is a gross misdemeanor. Upon conviction, the department shall revoke any license or tag used in the crime and shall order suspension of the person's privileges to engage in the activity in which the person committed waste of fish and wildlife in the first degree for a period of one year.

     (4) It is prima facie evidence of waste if a processor purchases or engages a quantity of food fish, shellfish, or game fish that cannot be processed within sixty hours after the food fish, game fish, or shellfish are taken from the water, unless the food fish, game fish, or shellfish are preserved in good marketable condition.


[1999 c 258 § 5; 1998 c 190 § 21.]




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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2012, 09:10:21 AM »
The meat requirement does not apply in Washington.

Bearpaw, what would you say the weight of the meat from a cougar the way you recomend dressing it out is on average?

I imagine you get about 30 to 35% of live weight.
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2012, 09:26:20 AM »
That IS the Washington state RCW...
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2012, 10:07:34 AM »
That IS the Washington state RCW...

I really should read better before relying...
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2012, 12:09:39 PM »
Read 2 (a) again. It says at the end " ... OR wildlife classified as big game" cougars are classified as big game.
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2012, 12:13:16 PM »
Read 2 (a) again. It says at the end " ... OR wildlife classified as big game" cougars are classified as big game.
good call. I missed that the first time through. Sounds pretty cut and dry now. Cougar must not be wallowed to waste.
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2012, 12:18:23 PM »
I just don't want to see anyone get into trouble.
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2012, 12:29:49 PM »
yes cougars are big game but dont they fall under the predator scavenger type animal where the only thing required to come out is the hide and head for sealing a research requirements, i know back in the day when hound huntn was still a way to hunt, there were alot of old timers that just skinned the cat out and only brought that and the head out, i know alot of things have changed since then though, isnt there some kind of disease that can come along with carrion eaters :dunno: i just dont know if i would eat cougar, now beaver meat on the other hand is damn fine eatn  :chuckle: and i aint B.S.N
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2012, 12:41:39 PM »
They require you to use bear meat and they are way more of a scavenger then a cougar. I didn't see any exception under the RCW. :dunno:
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2012, 02:11:47 PM »
i undestand that but bear are omnivores, cats are carnivores, dont they say that you can get diseases from eating carnivores? i have heard up in alaska that guys dont have to bring out their grizzly meat do to some kind of nasty somethig in the meat, i know it aint washington and it aint a cat. :dunno:
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2012, 02:44:29 PM »
Read 2 (a) again. It says at the end " ... OR wildlife classified as big game" cougars are classified as big game.

Call and ask your regional office or local warden, unless it has recently been changed, there is an exception of that law on cougar in WA. I have asked before and was told cougar meat does not have to be recovered. Seems like it's in the phamphlet somewhere buy maybe it got dropped when cougar regs changed!


i undestand that but bear are omnivores, cats are carnivores, dont they say that you can get diseases from eating carnivores? i have heard up in alaska that guys dont have to bring out their grizzly meat do to some kind of nasty somethig in the meat, i know it aint washington and it aint a cat. :dunno:

Cougar and bear can carry trichenosis. A Montana University study found something like 17% bear and 44% of cougar tested carried trichenosis.

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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2012, 02:55:03 PM »
Read 2 (a) again. It says at the end " ... OR wildlife classified as big game" cougars are classified as big game.

Call and ask your regional office or local warden, unless it has recently been changed, there is an exception of that law on cougar in WA. I have asked before and was told cougar meat does not have to be recovered. Seems like it's in the phamphlet somewhere buy maybe it got dropped when cougar regs changed!


i undestand that but bear are omnivores, cats are carnivores, dont they say that you can get diseases from eating carnivores? i have heard up in alaska that guys dont have to bring out their grizzly meat do to some kind of nasty somethig in the meat, i know it aint washington and it aint a cat. :dunno:

Cougar and bear can carry trichenosis. A Montana University study found something like 17% bear and 44% of cougar tested carried trichenosis.

Maybe someone can find the exception and post it on here. As far as calling the regional office or game warden. I bet if you called each regional office or every game warden you would get multiple answers. Until someone finds the exception in the RCW's I will Just assume that the law is what the law says. I really don't care what others do either way. I just would hate for some one to get in trouble when they thought they were actually being lawful. Especially as much as the laws regarding cougar hunting have changed so much over the last 10 years...
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Re: Cougar Harvest question
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2012, 03:05:32 PM »
I found this on page 77 of the hunting regulation pamphlet. I did not see any exeption for cougar. There was nothing mentioned under the cougar section.


2. Waste of Wildlife:
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you have taken to recklessly be wasted.
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