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Title: Lighted Nocks
Post by: popeshawnpaul on March 17, 2014, 10:59:04 AM
So, we debated this topic ad nauseam on here and they were used last season.  I hear we did not see a statistical increase in hunter success attributable to lighted nocks.  Did anyone else notice the world stopped turning or other effects of lighted nock legality?
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 17, 2014, 11:20:16 AM
 :stirthepot:
I don't really care what the other person uses.
I did notice the debate itself quieted down...
Wont know the harvest reports until they get posted,  :dunno:
probably only more wounded animals, but at least they got their arrows back  :chuckle:
 :stirthepot:
I personally don't know anybody that used them.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 18, 2014, 02:12:58 PM
Useless in my opinion.  We had so many bow hunters wrapped up in the cool factor of lighted nocks and trying to make them legal when we should have been fighting for our seasons back.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: hughjorgan on March 19, 2014, 08:50:27 PM
Useless in my opinion.  We had so many bow hunters wrapped up in the cool factor of lighted nocks and trying to make them legal when we should have been fighting for our seasons back.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Lucky1 on March 19, 2014, 08:59:37 PM
 :tup: I am going to try them this year. I couldn't find my pass through arrow last season. I think a lighted nock would have helped me find it. I want it back.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: huntnphool on March 19, 2014, 09:06:06 PM
Useless in my opinion.  We had so many bow hunters wrapped up in the cool factor of lighted nocks and trying to make them legal when we should have been fighting for our seasons back.
Yeah, and the forum has been blown up with thread after thread after thread of fighting to get those seasons back since the nock debate ended too huh. :chuckle:

 If the archery season issue was that high a priority for you and the rest of those that predicted the immanent destruction of archery hunting with the legality of luminoks, then why has there not been a ongoing discussion/thread regarding seasons since then? :chuckle:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: jackelope on March 19, 2014, 09:41:57 PM
1 thread down.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=148285
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: huntnphool on March 19, 2014, 09:49:59 PM
1 thread down.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=148285 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=148285)
One thread with 24 replies since the luminok passing, ok. :tup: 
Title: Lighted Nocks
Post by: jackelope on March 19, 2014, 10:11:52 PM
That thread is a month old. It's unfortunate that season setting issues take a back seat to the lighted nock non-issue. Archery elk hunters get screwed every year with their non-rut spot and stalk hunting seasons but they can now hunt with lighted nocks.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: jackelope on March 19, 2014, 10:17:26 PM

1 thread down.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=148285 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=148285)
One thread with 24 replies since the luminok passing, ok. :tup:
You're saying that's the only thread on here re: archery seasons in the last 12 months?
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 20, 2014, 07:34:29 AM
Useless in my opinion.  We had so many bow hunters wrapped up in the cool factor of lighted nocks and trying to make them legal when we should have been fighting for our seasons back.
Yeah, and the forum has been blown up with thread after thread after thread of fighting to get those seasons back since the nock debate ended too huh. :chuckle:

 If the archery season issue was that high a priority for you and the rest of those that predicted the immanent destruction of archery hunting with the legality of luminoks, then why has there not been a ongoing discussion/thread regarding seasons since then? :chuckle:
I'm not for or against them being legal I don't really care one way or another.  I think most archery guys had their priorities mixed up lighted nocks or better season I'd rather see better seasons.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: huntnphool on March 20, 2014, 11:01:23 AM

1 thread down.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=148285 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=148285)
One thread with 24 replies since the luminok passing, ok. :tup:
You're saying that's the only thread on here re: archery seasons in the last 12 months?
Not at all, just pointing out the fact that the "lighted nock arguement" was used at nauseum, suggesting that we don't have our seasons back because lighted nocks distracted archery hunters focus. My point is, nocks have not been a discussion since, and yet there is very little discussion about what was supposed to be such a dire topic, our seasons.

 I agree the season discussion is important, but don't use the lighted nock debate as a excuse why the seasons are shorter/changed and distracting focus.

 Lighted nocks had nothing to do with the season setting changes for archers, maybe east side modern guys should be blaming them for getting their season cut in half too.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Longbowz on April 02, 2014, 10:03:02 AM
I don't get the point of this discussion other then a attempt at "I told you so".  Instead how about concentrating on season improvement rather then new toys that don't really matter anyway. 
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: northwesthunter84 on April 08, 2014, 07:43:53 PM
I am going to run them this season, same reason as most, lost a pass thru arrow.  At $25 an arrow I would like a chance in the thick stuff here on the Westside.  As far as getting our hunt dates back, I think it has been stated well that archery hunters are outnumbered 3/4 to 1 here in Washington and the state is making too much money off the permit sales for the rifle rut hunts.  I would love to see a later date but as long as the State doesn't see it the way we do then all we can do is try.  What is sad is that money talks louder in most instances than the people who are affected.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Mumbles on May 18, 2014, 11:30:30 PM
I don't see the correlation between season changes and equipment changes. Apples and oranges. Both fit in the fruit bowl.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: kingfisher82 on May 25, 2014, 07:50:50 AM
I used them. I liked them I missed my first shot at a deer this year and found my arrow and watched the arrow change course when it hit a twig. And when i shot my deer i got to see my shot placement when she crossed back infront of me. But my fear is some of these guys that shoot at 80+ yrds on a animal that make them feel like they can now shoot up to 100+ yrds :bdid:. Granted i was paying in the yard and was flinging arrows at 100yrds just playing around and it was cool to watch.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Machias on May 27, 2014, 03:50:27 AM
  >:(   So I guess your saying we can't discuss two topics at the same time????  Having a debate about lighted noks and getting seasons back can happen at the same time.    :dunno:   If not what is the topic we get to work on this year?  And really you have no idea after one season, (particularly since they haven't posted any results or impacts from last season) what if any impact the equipment changes will have.  But go ahead and do a nah nah, that'll get everyone on working together again.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Mumbles on May 29, 2014, 03:29:27 PM
  >:(   So I guess your saying we can't discuss two topics at the same time????  Having a debate about lighted noks and getting seasons back can happen at the same time.    :dunno:   If not what is the topic we get to work on this year?  And really you have no idea after one season, (particularly since they haven't posted any results or impacts from last season) what if any impact the equipment changes will have.  But go ahead and do a nah nah, that'll get everyone on working together again.

Machias, unsure who you were addressing. If it was me, I see multiple topics able to be placed on the table at the same time. Separate issues, separate effort to address them, similar process.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 29, 2014, 03:38:41 PM
:stirthepot:
I don't really care what the other person uses.
I did notice the debate itself quieted down...
Wont know the harvest reports until they get posted,  :dunno:
probably only more wounded animals, but at least they got their arrows back  :chuckle:
 :stirthepot:
I personally don't know anybody that used them.
More wounded animals, really? You must be a gun hunter cause any true archery hunter wouldn't make an absurd comment like that.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: northwesthunter84 on May 29, 2014, 03:46:34 PM
I shot mine for the first time last week.  No change in POI so that was good. :tup:  Second it was a lot easier to stay on target and follow the arrow to impact, so better follow through. Finally I could see where I hit, used a burlap target and wow that red popped so if I don't get a pass through I see this as a better way to judge the shot. We all know stuff happens and a 2" point of impact can in some cases make a world of difference.  So I take it as one more tool in my bag. 
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: WSU on May 29, 2014, 03:56:02 PM
I wish I had used them.  I lost an arrow after blowing a chip shot on an elk and would like my $25 back.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: huntnphool on May 29, 2014, 09:29:38 PM
 I just heard that Pope&Young voted to accept lighted nocks. :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on June 01, 2014, 03:41:12 PM
:stirthepot:
I don't really care what the other person uses.
I did notice the debate itself quieted down...
Wont know the harvest reports until they get posted,  :dunno:
probably only more wounded animals, but at least they got their arrows back  :chuckle:
 :stirthepot:
I personally don't know anybody that used them.
More wounded animals, really? You must be a gun hunter cause any true archery hunter wouldn't make an absurd comment like that.

 :chuckle:
I am about as "True Archery" as it gets, but I guess you did not see the sarcasm in adding the  :chuckle: and  :stirthepot:
But then you obviously are a recent convert to the ways of bowhunting, and of course are an expert...
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: popeshawnpaul on June 01, 2014, 04:33:48 PM
The harvest statistics are out.  I've been working on elk but the harvest went down about 3%.  Anyone who rationally looked at itl knew harvest would not increase with them.  Pope and Young just accepted them for entry into their record books.  As far as I'm concerned, the issue is done and over with. 
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on June 01, 2014, 05:46:18 PM
As I stated, I do not care what the other guy uses, and the issue really never was about the nocks, it was about electronics.
As long as we, as sportmen, argue about semantics the money grubbers in control will continue to divide and conquer.
Will it really matter what weapon you use when it is dependent on access fees, special permits, raffle and private land ?
Even the great Fred Bear thought that poison pods were the answer to recovery issues, when all it really comes down to is the individual understanding his limitations and having the integrity to abide by them.
I feel that if you must improve your equipment to match your abilities, choose different equipment.
If you want to use the best new gadget or gimmick, that is fine, just remember that "back in the good old days" they did just fine without it.
Dont judge me because I like cedar arrows, real feathers, and a bare bow, and I wont judge you on your mechanical arrow launching device with all the accessories.
it is like getting off the freeway onto a dirt road, then complaining about it not being paved.

Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Rainier10 on June 01, 2014, 09:42:31 PM

it is like getting off the freeway onto a dirt road, then complaining about it not being paved.
I love this statement. Very true.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: turkeyfeather on June 02, 2014, 07:42:08 AM
:stirthepot:
I don't really care what the other person uses.
I did notice the debate itself quieted down...
Wont know the harvest reports until they get posted,  :dunno:
probably only more wounded animals, but at least they got their arrows back  :chuckle:
 :stirthepot:
I personally don't know anybody that used them.
More wounded animals, really? You must be a gun hunter cause any true archery hunter wouldn't make an absurd comment like that.

 :chuckle:
I am about as "True Archery" as it gets, but I guess you did not see the sarcasm in adding the  :chuckle: and  :stirthepot:
But then you obviously are a recent convert to the ways of bowhunting, and of course are an expert...
I saw your emoticons, but I still think it was a very un-wise comment to make as it just continues to stir the pot and divide sportsman. And no I am not a recent convert and have no idea why you would think that I think I am an expert. I have never made any claim to the sort.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on June 02, 2014, 08:14:38 PM
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I saw your emoticons, but I still think it was a very un-wise comment to make as it just continues to stir the pot and divide sportsman. And no I am not a recent convert and have no idea why you would think that I think I am an expert. I have never made any claim to the sort.
Sarcasm in a topic that has been beaten to death, without most of the persons voicing opinions about something they really dont understand seems to me directly in the spirit of the OP...
As to an un-wise comment...
It is my firm beleif, as a bowhunter, that anybody who is concerned about using a lighted nock, is concerned about arrow recovery.
If you do not know where your arrow is going to go upon release (or even a bullet, or any projectile) then you have no business letting it fly...
Jokes, sarcasm, and plain stupidity has been rampant in the argumaent for/against lighted nocks, when the only real issue has been about electronic devices allowed during an archery season.
When you spend a lot of money for your arrow, no matter what they are made from, the ability to recover said arrow makes sense, but if you have nothing to lose but an arrow, and can eliminate the option then you just might go ahead and take a last light shot (after all that is what the thing is designed for)
As a person who was bowhunting before it was cool, I see the march of progress turn a sport that was made possible by sportsmen (and women) who wanted to preserve the integrity of archery into a competition of who could buy the best equipment and be able to brag about putting into the X ring, losing the whole concept of why there is an archery season in the first place.
Un-wise is the constant complaining about how unfair it is you cannot use whatever you feel is your "right" If it were not for Glenn StCharles, Roy Case, and Kore Duryee, we would be hunting during "general season" as it WAS taken away, and fought for to get back......without placing limitations, it would not have been given back.
If we eliminate all the restrictions, who is going to go argue with the WDFW that we deserve a special season ?
Archery is no longer a sport of self sufficient outdoorsmen, who build their own equipment, and survive in the elements, but a sport of chest thumping walking advertisements for Cabelas.
"traditional" has become an "elitist" attitude, with custom made bows from the newest technology, looking down and belittling those who use "training wheels" and sights, when the whole basis began with a few just attempting to prove that a bow was more than a toy, but a viable hunting weapon.
Bows have evolved, the whole industry has evolved, but when there are whole threads complaining about hunting shows and the crass commercialism, that is the price we pay for losing focus on why we hunt with archery equipment in the first place.
I do not care why you hunt with archery equipment, I do not care what equipment you use, I just feel that if you use your equipment as an excuse for your lack of success, maybe you should try something else.
(and claiming you know what a "true archery hunter" is after 5 years of archery hunting...)  :dunno:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: turkeyfeather on June 03, 2014, 05:04:43 PM
Quote
I saw your emoticons, but I still think it was a very un-wise comment to make as it just continues to stir the pot and divide sportsman. And no I am not a recent convert and have no idea why you would think that I think I am an expert. I have never made any claim to the sort.
Sarcasm in a topic that has been beaten to death, without most of the persons voicing opinions about something they really dont understand seems to me directly in the spirit of the OP...
As to an un-wise comment...
It is my firm beleif, as a bowhunter, that anybody who is concerned about using a lighted nock, is concerned about arrow recovery.
Damn right I want my arrow back. You may be made of money, but I am not. And if I can prevent throwing a $20 bill away I am all for it.

If you do not know where your arrow is going to go upon release (or even a bullet, or any projectile) then you have no business letting it fly...

Know your contradicting yourself. Which is it? Do people want nocks to recover their arrow or to be able to take ill advised shots? I can assure you when I let an arrow go I am pretty confident in the area it is going (however....poop happens) and sometimes even though the arrow went exactly where you intended it to you still can't find it.
Quote from: STIKNSTRINGBOW link=topic=149751.msg2044380#msg2044380
When you spend a lot of money for your arrow, no matter what they are made from, the ability to recover said arrow makes sense, but if you have nothing to lose but an arrow, and can eliminate the option then you just might go ahead and take a last light shot (after all that is what the thing is designed for)

Truly ignorant comment. No that is not what they were designed for, but clearly shows your traditional elitest attitude. As far as the rest of your statement, excuse me that I didn't grow up in a hunting household and it wasn't until I was older in life that I wanted to learn something new to pass onto my boys. The fact that you think I don't know what I am talking about because I have not hunted my whole life and am therefore beneath you just again shows your arrogant, elitest attitude. It's people like you that are actually killing the future of hunting. And by my definition a "true" archery hunter is accepting of all those that enjoy the various forms and disciplines.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: BABackcountryBwhntr on February 12, 2015, 05:46:18 PM
That thread is a month old. It's unfortunate that season setting issues take a back seat to the lighted nock non-issue. Archery elk hunters get screwed every year with their non-rut spot and stalk hunting seasons but they can now hunt with lighted nocks.


the seasons are not great, but they are not awful either.. bulls are buggling most days where we hunt.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on February 12, 2015, 06:51:45 PM
I forgot all about this thread..  :chuckle:
I still stand behind my statements though.
  I really should not respond to the accusations that I am "made of money" or that I was contradicting myself, or being ignorant of why they were designed...
Or my "arrogant traditional elitest attitude" and growing up in a hunting household, but just for clarification feel it is neccessary.
I have been suffering financial difficulties since lost everything in 2008 as part of losing a decent job with 4 dependants.
I now understand that the design was intended to be able to watch your arrow in flight to detect tuning issues (I use paper tuning to do this) yet still am of the opinion seeing the arrow in flight during low light situations is the benefit, they are not that obvious during a sunny day at the range.
I also did NOT come from a hunting family, I lived on the streets of downtown Seattle at the age of 14, actually got into hunting because I was tired of eating fish, and too proud to ask for handouts.

And to adress the issue of me "actually killing the future of hunting"  it is all about maintaining the priveledge, because unlike others, I see it as a priveledge, not a right.
"Traditional" to me, is being able to introduce my sport to my children and being able to hand it down as a TRADITION, it makes no difference what weapon you use, but if you choose to play a sport, the first thing you do is not try to change the rules to suit yourself, you play by the rules as they are established.
If, after you are an active participant you can change the rules for the benefit of the game, I support you.
But if you just want to make it easier, I wonder why you are doing it in the first place, cannot be because of the challenge if you say it is "too hard"
Separation of the hunting community has been an issue ever since they started resource allocation, one of these problems has been one user group seeing the benefits another receives, promoting jealousy.
Modern hunters wish they could hunt during the rut, yet are shut out because of the efficiency of their weapons, Muzzle loaders are given limited units and short seasons, Bow hunters get long seasons and near rut...
The reason the seasons are what they are is because the WDFW is forced to make it so that success rates are low, in order to preserve the ability to have seasons at all.
They really have no idea what is going to work, that is why they keep changing it, but one thing is for sure, the game itself cannot afford to maintain a harvest level that will make all users happy and still have animals for my (and your) children to be able to hunt.
So... My "arrogant, traditional elitest attitude" is merely a reflection that TRADITIONAL, to me,  MEANS THAT MY KIDS WILL BE ABLE TO HUNT no matter what weapon they choose, and attempting to change the regulations to make it easier will only put another nail in the coffin of the average hunter being able to hunt.
AGAIN< I DO NOT THINK THAT LUMENOCKS ARE THE ISSUE, merely that weapon choices are simply that, if you dont want to play by the rules, then dont switch.
When the rules are changed, and you like them, welcome !
I will support all new hunters, period.
I do not care what weapon they use.
I just have no use for cry-babies.

Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: gilroym on June 04, 2015, 07:50:40 AM
I used lighted nocks last year and without the little gleaming light I wouldn't have found the arrow. it does help in being successful a little as I was able to see my arrow placement during travel and draw a second time but the deer didn't go to far after the first shot and I would have been able to do that anyways it was just a little faster.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 04, 2015, 07:54:23 AM
I used lighted nocks last year and without the little gleaming light I wouldn't have found the arrow. it does help in being successful a little as I was able to see my arrow placement during travel and draw a second time but the deer didn't go to far after the first shot and I would have been able to do that anyways it was just a little faster.

What state was this in?
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: turkeyfeather on June 04, 2015, 08:40:00 AM
I used lighted nocks last year and without the little gleaming light I wouldn't have found the arrow. it does help in being successful a little as I was able to see my arrow placement during travel and draw a second time but the deer didn't go to far after the first shot and I would have been able to do that anyways it was just a little faster.

What state was this in?
Why?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 05, 2015, 07:41:31 AM
I used lighted nocks last year and without the little gleaming light I wouldn't have found the arrow. it does help in being successful a little as I was able to see my arrow placement during travel and draw a second time but the deer didn't go to far after the first shot and I would have been able to do that anyways it was just a little faster.

What state was this in?
Why?  :dunno:

Forgot wa legalized them last year.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: turkeyfeather on June 05, 2015, 08:43:08 AM
I used lighted nocks last year and without the little gleaming light I wouldn't have found the arrow. it does help in being successful a little as I was able to see my arrow placement during travel and draw a second time but the deer didn't go to far after the first shot and I would have been able to do that anyways it was just a little faster.

What state was this in?
Why?  :dunno:

Forgot wa legalized them last year.
:tup:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: gilroym on July 23, 2015, 07:29:01 AM
I used them last year it was nice finding my missed arrow. Not sure how it could increase your distance or shot opportunity it doesn't light up until you no longer control the arrow.

I get better seasons would be nice but I don't see how the focus on lighted nocks takes away from that battle. Same with mechanicals people wanted them and asked for them it was passed and their here.

The seasons issue affects all hunters and would require changing seasons for non archery hunters and that will take much more effort. If all three topics were in play they would all get an individual review.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 23, 2015, 07:33:53 AM
I don't see why people have such an issue with it.  If you use the Clean Shot Lighted Nocks, you're just going to find your arrow faster, it doesn't light up until you release, and you're supporting a local company.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Kyle1112 on July 23, 2015, 08:43:07 AM
I'm with ctwiggs1, Clean shots nicks are the best on the market if you ask me. Practice mode so you burn them up, super bright, waterproof, killer customer service. When I started using them I thought I may have some change in poi but none what so ever!
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 23, 2015, 08:47:51 AM
Do they affect entry into Pope & Young?
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: bowhunterty on July 23, 2015, 08:58:55 AM
Pianoman not now. P & Y changed thwere rules.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 23, 2015, 09:07:32 AM
Thanks. I've avoided them but i might think about changing my mind.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Kyle1112 on July 23, 2015, 10:07:43 AM
If you go with clean shot, tell them kyle jaramillo sent you...
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: buglebrush on July 23, 2015, 10:09:58 AM
Absolute no brainer to use them.  Why wouldn't you?  The only thing they do is allow you to know exactly where your arrow hit.  This can make all the difference in recovering a hit animal.  Knowing for certain whether it was gut shot versus lungs etc...  Borderline unethical to refuse to use them when they are an option  :twocents:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 23, 2015, 10:19:38 AM
Absolute no brainer to use them.  Why wouldn't you?  The only thing they do is allow you to know exactly where your arrow hit.  This can make all the difference in recovering a hit animal.  Knowing for certain whether it was gut shot versus lungs etc...  Borderline unethical to refuse to use them when they are an option  :twocents:

Give me a break. 

Reasons to not use them:

1) expensive (breaking, losing arrows can still happen, they are not a flare)
2) loss of FOC
3) don't want to

Borderline unethical?  So it's ethical to gut shoot a deer as long as you know you did? 
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on July 23, 2015, 12:51:09 PM
 :beatdeadhorse:   

Makes it easier to find you "green" arrow in the dark.

 :stirthepot:

Then you wait for morning, just like the "pro's" 
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 23, 2015, 01:09:55 PM
Why does this topic often get so personal? Ethics, really? If you like 'em, use 'em. If you don't, don't. It's not surprising that hunters have such a hard time getting together on really important issues looking at these last few comments.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: grundy53 on July 23, 2015, 01:18:38 PM
Absolute no brainer to use them.  Why wouldn't you?  The only thing they do is allow you to know exactly where your arrow hit.  This can make all the difference in recovering a hit animal.  Knowing for certain whether it was gut shot versus lungs etc...  Borderline unethical to refuse to use them when they are an option  :twocents:

Give me a break. 

Reasons to not use them:

1) expensive (breaking, losing arrows can still happen, they are not a flare)
2) loss of FOC
3) don't want to

Borderline unethical?  So it's ethical to gut shoot a deer as long as you know you did?
How does a lighted nock make you gut shoot an animal?
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on July 23, 2015, 03:20:58 PM
 :chuckle:
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How does a lighted nock make you gut shoot an animal?
'cuz they are evil !!
 :chuckle:
Not only that, but I ALWAYS know where my arrow hits, not always in the right place, but I can see my arrow in flight, and I have decent follow through...
Once you release the arrow, the arrow is in flight already, nothing changes, other than one has a bright light attached, and one does not.
 :beatdeadhorse:
AGAIN, I really have nothing against someone using whatever weapon/projectiles they desire.
What I object to is somebody taking up a sport that is based upon presenting a challenge to oneself to become a better woodsman.
Then complaining about the rules being too restrictive.
You do not see a big push to legalize steroids.
Or, maybe the NFL will allow QB to decide how much air pressure they want.
Or, lower the basketball hoop, so short people can play...
Some hunters complain about the quality and quantity of game in this state, and complain about lost access, while others argue over what equipment should be allowed.
It is getting pretty ridiculous.
When you try to tell me that a light on the end of your arrow that turns on AFTER you loose the arrow is necessary for you to be a successful bowhunter, because you do not know where your arrow is going to impact, well, good for you!
You do know there are special permits for handicapped hunters?
Now that they are legal, what is the next step?
Fred Bear wanted to introduce "poison pods" for broadheads, to eliminate wounding loss...
 :dunno:
You go right ahead and use whatever you want, I have a feeling it is not going to have much of an effect on harvest numbers.
Of affect me in any way...
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: buglebrush on July 23, 2015, 10:05:22 PM
Why does this topic often get so personal? Ethics, really? If you like 'em, use 'em. If you don't, don't. It's not surprising that hunters have such a hard time getting together on really important issues looking at these last few comments.

I agree that was probably too strong a term. 

I still maintain however that lighted nocks are one of your best told in helping to recover game.  We took a bull that didn't bleed at all, and still had the arrow in them.  Knowing for sure we had hit the bull was key to a long, strenuous search to find him.  Pros overwhelmingly outweigh the cons.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: gilroym on July 24, 2015, 05:37:35 AM
Why does this topic often get so personal? Ethics, really? If you like 'em, use 'em. If you don't, don't. It's not surprising that hunters have such a hard time getting together on really important issues looking at these last few comments.

Agree we have a clear problem with something as simple as lighted nocks and everyone questions why we cant come together to fight for better seasons. Seems
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 24, 2015, 07:08:00 AM
Absolute no brainer to use them.  Why wouldn't you?  The only thing they do is allow you to know exactly where your arrow hit.  This can make all the difference in recovering a hit animal.  Knowing for certain whether it was gut shot versus lungs etc...  Borderline unethical to refuse to use them when they are an option  :twocents:

Give me a break. 

Reasons to not use them:

1) expensive (breaking, losing arrows can still happen, they are not a flare)
2) loss of FOC
3) don't want to

Borderline unethical?  So it's ethical to gut shoot a deer as long as you know you did?
How does a lighted nock make you gut shoot an animal?

I was referring to the emboldened part of the quote.  I wasn't linking lighted nocks to gut shots.  Although I can see where some people would gain false confidence since they would "know exactly where the arrow hit".
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Band on July 24, 2015, 11:12:50 AM
I hear a lighted nock gives Satan control over arrow flight.  Can anyone confirm? :dunno:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 24, 2015, 11:16:42 AM
I hear a lighted nock gives Satan control over arrow flight.  Can anyone confirm? :dunno:

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on July 25, 2015, 08:32:00 AM
confirmed.  It all goes to hell.  Kidding kidding.  But yea if you don't know 100% that that arrow is hitting its mark you have no business releasing on any animal.  But when the nock w light will help is after the shot.  After the shot adrenalin will be coursing hard and a lot of the time you can quickly forget were the initial shot took place.  especially if you had to move after the first shot, to either reposition for another or to keep eyes on the animal.  Then the angles can be tricky in the brush trying to find a 29 inch mostly black carbon rod in the woods.  I have hardly ever recovered arrows in the woods.  the terrain has to be just right like a big dirt burm.  lol.  If I could have recovered those arrows I may have found the animal I shot at by the sign on the arrow.  I am up in the air still on em for myself this year.  I need the FOC that I have.  My arrows fly great and I cant risk loosing that very accurate flight that the FOC gives them.  And I shoot black eagles so yea SUPER accurate anyways.  Idaho will be fun cause it still has Wa old rules for archery IE no lighted nocks or expendables.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 07, 2015, 05:57:20 PM
Interesting topic..
I bought 12 lighted nocks a few weeks ago, because I thought they were cool. I had no idea there is such a debate over them. I am new to archery as of last season, so I guess I am blind to the issues up for debate.

Can someone explain to me what the correlation between lighted nocks and season changes is?
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 07, 2015, 06:30:26 PM
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Can someone explain to me what the correlation between lighted nocks and season changes is?

There is not one.
The controversy is about having electronic devices attached to bow and/or arrow.
Some feel that adapting the rules to allow new technology is a threat to being allowed a special season.
Other feel that illuminated nocks will encourage unscrupulous hunters into taking shots after or before legal/ethical shooting hours because there is minimal chance of losing the arrow.
I feel that we all should quit complaining about how restrictive the rules are, and just hunt.
(and slightly agree with others)
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 07, 2015, 06:51:50 PM
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Can someone explain to me what the correlation between lighted nocks and season changes is?

There is not one.
The controversy is about having electronic devices attached to bow and/or arrow.
Some feel that adapting the rules to allow new technology is a threat to being allowed a special season.
Other feel that illuminated nocks will encourage unscrupulous hunters into taking shots after or before legal/ethical shooting hours because there is minimal chance of losing the arrow.
I feel that we all should quit complaining about how restrictive the rules are, and just hunt.
(and slightly agree with others)

Reminds me of the Golf equipment argument. The Golf equipment used today clearly gives a huge advantage compared to years ago. All the modern day Golf records are tainted with an ****************

Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: tgomez on August 08, 2015, 10:39:55 AM
I never used lighted knocks when I bow hunted because they were not legal. Having said that I would use them now, but only to FIND my arrow after the shot. They would be nice if an animal ducked the string, or took a step or two forward on those longer shots, and in early/low light situations. I don't feel they are nessassary, but I do know that farmers don't want loose broadheads and arrows amongst their fields either. A lighted knock WILL NOT IMPROVE YOUR ACCURACY, that is simply form, mechanics, and muscle memory. They do HELP YOU RECOVER THE ARROW. Bottom line is if you want to use them than do, you don't OK :tup: But if it gives YOU more confidence, and makes YOU a bettet archer, who can argue with you about them being needed or not? Be yourself, forget everyone else's views, because your own views will change with the more experience you gain. :twocents:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 08, 2015, 02:15:11 PM
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Bottom line is if you want to use them than do, you don't OK :tup: But if it gives YOU more confidence, and makes YOU a bettet archer, who can argue with you about them being needed or not? Be yourself, forget everyone else's views, because your own views will change with the more experience you gain. :twocents:

I agree with that.
Now that they are legal, use whatever you want.
Just quit complaining about how restrictive the regulations are in a sport that is founded on the concept of self imposed limitations.
Archery was a hobby, and early bowhunters enjoyed using what was their favorite weapon, not because of it efficiency, but because they enjoyed a challenge.
Current regulations and seasons allow Archers a high success rate compared to other user groups, WDFW attempts to balance that.
If we keep allowing advancements to increase the effectiveness of the weapon, then something is going to be adjusted to make it more equitable for all user groups.
WDFW does not care about our happiness, they care about their money and jobs.
When the majority use modern weapons, what is the motivation to continue to allow Archers to have longer seasons, either sex privileges, and the ability to hunt the rut?
Whether we like it or not, Bowhunting has an image to maintain among the non-hunting (voting) public, and our fellow sportsmen.
Asking to use new technology is counterproductive to our own best interest.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 08, 2015, 10:23:04 PM
Quote
Bottom line is if you want to use them than do, you don't OK :tup: But if it gives YOU more confidence, and makes YOU a bettet archer, who can argue with you about them being needed or not? Be yourself, forget everyone else's views, because your own views will change with the more experience you gain. :twocents:

I agree with that.
Now that they are legal, use whatever you want.
Just quit complaining about how restrictive the regulations are in a sport that is founded on the concept of self imposed limitations.
Archery was a hobby, and early bowhunters enjoyed using what was their favorite weapon, not because of it efficiency, but because they enjoyed a challenge.
Current regulations and seasons allow Archers a high success rate compared to other user groups, WDFW attempts to balance that.
If we keep allowing advancements to increase the effectiveness of the weapon, then something is going to be adjusted to make it more equitable for all user groups.
WDFW does not care about our happiness, they care about their money and jobs.
When the majority use modern weapons, what is the motivation to continue to allow Archers to have longer seasons, either sex privileges, and the ability to hunt the rut?
Whether we like it or not, Bowhunting has an image to maintain among the non-hunting (voting) public, and our fellow sportsmen.
Asking to use new technology is counterproductive to our own best interest.

Interesting point regarding the traditions of bow hunting. I tend to agree. If the equipment gets too proficient then it takes away from the challenge etc. I would like to try killing a deer with a traditional bow. I was surprised how easy and accurate these newer technology bows have become. I am not ready yet, but I plan on buying one soon and starting to familiarize myself with the craft.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 09, 2015, 10:17:08 AM
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Interesting point regarding the traditions of bow hunting. I tend to agree. If the equipment gets too proficient then it takes away from the challenge etc. I would like to try killing a deer with a traditional bow. I was surprised how easy and accurate these newer technology bows have become. I am not ready yet, but I plan on buying one soon and starting to familiarize myself with the craft.

Harvesting an animal with any bow is an accomplishment, hell with average success rates in Washington, just harvesting an animal is an accomplishment.
Traditional has become more about my 6 year old son being able to hunt where I hunt now, and bring his kids when "grampa" is too old to walk the ridges.
I don't really care what weapon he uses, but if we do not find a way to solidify our seasons as much as possible, and access to areas that have sustainable populations of game for hunter harvest, we are going to end up the first state managed for "Watchable Wildlife" and only a select few will be allowed (or able to afford) to hunt in Washington.

Accept the weapons as they are, if you don't like the rules, use a different weapon.
Lets fight for access and seasons, and sound wildlife management.
It is not the weapon that defines a sportsman, it is his actions.
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 09, 2015, 03:49:18 PM
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Interesting point regarding the traditions of bow hunting. I tend to agree. If the equipment gets too proficient then it takes away from the challenge etc. I would like to try killing a deer with a traditional bow. I was surprised how easy and accurate these newer technology bows have become. I am not ready yet, but I plan on buying one soon and starting to familiarize myself with the craft.

Harvesting an animal with any bow is an accomplishment, hell with average success rates in Washington, just harvesting an animal is an accomplishment.
Traditional has become more about my 6 year old son being able to hunt where I hunt now, and bring his kids when "grampa" is too old to walk the ridges.
I don't really care what weapon he uses, but if we do not find a way to solidify our seasons as much as possible, and access to areas that have sustainable populations of game for hunter harvest, we are going to end up the first state managed for "Watchable Wildlife" and only a select few will be allowed (or able to afford) to hunt in Washington.

Accept the weapons as they are, if you don't like the rules, use a different weapon.
Lets fight for access and seasons, and sound wildlife management.
It is not the weapon that defines a sportsman, it is his actions.

I agree with you..

Access is definitely becoming harder and harder to come by. I have done well with access, but I knocked on a lot of doors (and I mean a lot) to gain access to certain private land areas.

I would like to see the WSDFW do a better job working with the DNR to create access easements/routes to private land locked areas surrounding DNR land. A ton of non accessible DNR land due to abandon interest in roads and easements. The DNR land looks great on the interactive hunt map website for the WSDFW. But when you attempt to access it, you may find there is not as much huntable DNR land as you think. SE WA being my example. I have driven and walked to every single piece of DNR land listed in 5 GMUs on the interact hunt map. I would say about 1/3 is not huntable. I was working directly with the DNR managers that oversea the GMUS. Very disappointing and misleading to folks who attempt to take advantage of the website and the DNR land resource. IMO
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: buglebrush on August 10, 2015, 12:19:07 AM
Quote
Bottom line is if you want to use them than do, you don't OK :tup: But if it gives YOU more confidence, and makes YOU a bettet archer, who can argue with you about them being needed or not? Be yourself, forget everyone else's views, because your own views will change with the more experience you gain. :twocents:

I agree with that.
Now that they are legal, use whatever you want.
Just quit complaining about how restrictive the regulations are in a sport that is founded on the concept of self imposed limitations.
Archery was a hobby, and early bowhunters enjoyed using what was their favorite weapon, not because of it efficiency, but because they enjoyed a challenge.
Current regulations and seasons allow Archers a high success rate compared to other user groups, WDFW attempts to balance that.
If we keep allowing advancements to increase the effectiveness of the weapon, then something is going to be adjusted to make it more equitable for all user groups.
WDFW does not care about our happiness, they care about their money and jobs.
When the majority use modern weapons, what is the motivation to continue to allow Archers to have longer seasons, either sex privileges, and the ability to hunt the rut?
Whether we like it or not, Bowhunting has an image to maintain among the non-hunting (voting) public, and our fellow sportsmen.
Asking to use new technology is counterproductive to our own best interest.

You do realize lighted nocks do not increase the effectiveness of the weapon right?  I cannot understand why this keeps coming up?!

They give you no advantage except for improving your chances of a humane recovery.  All hunters should be for that.   :twocents:

Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: huntnphool on August 10, 2015, 08:58:25 AM
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Bottom line is if you want to use them than do, you don't OK :tup: But if it gives YOU more confidence, and makes YOU a bettet archer, who can argue with you about them being needed or not? Be yourself, forget everyone else's views, because your own views will change with the more experience you gain. :twocents:

I agree with that.
Now that they are legal, use whatever you want.
Just quit complaining about how restrictive the regulations are in a sport that is founded on the concept of self imposed limitations.
Archery was a hobby, and early bowhunters enjoyed using what was their favorite weapon, not because of it efficiency, but because they enjoyed a challenge.
Current regulations and seasons allow Archers a high success rate compared to other user groups, WDFW attempts to balance that.
If we keep allowing advancements to increase the effectiveness of the weapon, then something is going to be adjusted to make it more equitable for all user groups.
WDFW does not care about our happiness, they care about their money and jobs.
When the majority use modern weapons, what is the motivation to continue to allow Archers to have longer seasons, either sex privileges, and the ability to hunt the rut?
Whether we like it or not, Bowhunting has an image to maintain among the non-hunting (voting) public, and our fellow sportsmen.
Asking to use new technology is counterproductive to our own best interest.

 WDFW has never adjusted, or threatened to adjust seasons as a result of advancement in technology to archery gear. :tinfoil:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: buglebrush on August 10, 2015, 10:45:43 AM
What WDFW and everyone needs to understand that the harvest numbers in archery are higher simply because of the people hunting not the weapon.  Not saying there isn't excellent hunters in other user groups, but most roadhunters/ beginners/ weekend warriors are going to hunt modern while as a rule people who choose archery are committed, experienced, and successful hunters.  Switch all the archery hunters to modern and the modern hunters to archery and you would see modern harvest statistics go up a lot and archery harvest plumet. 

Again this isn't saying there isn't extremely hardcore modern hunters.  There is, and I know many of them.  You know how it is 90% of the elk are killed by 10% of the hunters who have put in the time for years and years. 
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 10, 2015, 01:04:22 PM
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You do realize lighted nocks do not increase the effectiveness of the weapon right?  I cannot understand why this keeps coming up?!

YES!!! I DO UNDERSTAND THIS !!!

I don't give a rats (A??) about the damn lighted nocks.  :bash:

What has an effect is the constant bellyaching about how the rules are to restrictive, so lets change them.
All it does is give hunters something to disagree about.
If you don't like the restrictions, don't use the weapon.
As I said somewhere before, its like pulling off the freeway to hunt, then complaining because the roads are not paved.

Complain about something that is going to benefit the animals, and the hunters, like sound wildlife management, or lost access.
Don't cry because you cannot use something that "does not increase the effectiveness"

Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: tgomez on August 10, 2015, 01:34:26 PM
What WDFW and everyone needs to understand that the harvest numbers in archery are higher simply because of the people hunting not the weapon.  Not saying there isn't excellent hunters in other user groups, but most roadhunters/ beginners/ weekend warriors are going to hunt modern while as a rule people who choose archery are committed, experienced, and successful hunters.  Switch all the archery hunters to modern and the modern hunters to archery and you would see modern harvest statistics go up a lot and archery harvest plumet. 

Again this isn't saying there isn't extremely hardcore modern hunters.  There is, and I know many of them.  You know how it is 90% of the elk are killed by 10% of the hunters who have put in the time for years and years.
Ive hunted deer with a modern firearm for 20 years, hunted for my first 14 with modern firearm and harvested 14 deer. Switched to archery for 5 years and harvested 5 deer. Back to modern last year and harvested another deer. That's 20 deer in 20 years, 100%. I feel if you can hunt than your weapon of choice has nothing to do with being successful. Some people are simply not good at hunting, so I personaly don't agree. If I had to hunt with a spear, Id find a way to fill my tag again. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: huntnphool on August 10, 2015, 03:20:21 PM
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You do realize lighted nocks do not increase the effectiveness of the weapon right?  I cannot understand why this keeps coming up?!

YES!!! I DO UNDERSTAND THIS !!!

I don't give a rats (A??) about the damn lighted nocks.  :bash:

What has an effect is the constant bellyaching about how the rules are to restrictive, so lets change them.
All it does is give hunters something to disagree about.
If you don't like the restrictions, don't use the weapon.
As I said somewhere before, its like pulling off the freeway to hunt, then complaining because the roads are not paved.

Complain about something that is going to benefit the animals, and the hunters, like sound wildlife management, or lost access.
Don't cry because you cannot use something that "does not increase the effectiveness"

 Only one complaining is you, using false narratives and scare tactics that have absolutely zero legitimacy.

 It's funny how your second sentence you complain about people "bellyaching" about the rules being too restrictive, and you end your rant encouraging people to complain about those same rules. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: buglebrush on August 10, 2015, 03:22:06 PM
What WDFW and everyone needs to understand that the harvest numbers in archery are higher simply because of the people hunting not the weapon.  Not saying there isn't excellent hunters in other user groups, but most roadhunters/ beginners/ weekend warriors are going to hunt modern while as a rule people who choose archery are committed, experienced, and successful hunters.  Switch all the archery hunters to modern and the modern hunters to archery and you would see modern harvest statistics go up a lot and archery harvest plumet. 

Again this isn't saying there isn't extremely hardcore modern hunters.  There is, and I know many of them.  You know how it is 90% of the elk are killed by 10% of the hunters who have put in the time for years and years.
Ive hunted deer with a modern firearm for 20 years, hunted for my first 14 with modern firearm and harvested 14 deer. Switched to archery for 5 years and harvested 5 deer. Back to modern last year and harvested another deer. That's 20 deer in 20 years, 100%. I feel if you can hunt than your weapon of choice has nothing to do with being successful. Some people are simply not good at hunting, so I personaly don't agree. If I had to hunt with a spear, Id find a way to fill my tag again. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 10, 2015, 03:27:10 PM
[If I had to hunt with a spear, Id find a way to fill my tag again. :chuckle:
[/quote]

LOL...the general spear season opens September 1st. Any fawn is all that is open...
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: huntnphool on August 10, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
[If I had to hunt with a spear, Id find a way to fill my tag again. :chuckle:

LOL...the general spear season opens September 1st. Any fawn is all that is open...
[/quote]

 Strap a flashlight to the back end of that thing though, so you can find it easier later. ;)
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 10, 2015, 08:28:47 PM
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Only one complaining is you, using false narratives and scare tactics that have absolutely zero legitimacy.

 It's funny how your second sentence you complain about people "bellyaching" about the rules being too restrictive, and you end your rant encouraging people to complain about those same rules. :chuckle:





?
One of us is confused...
I suggest some ESL courses, might understand what I said a little better.
False narratives would be me telling a story that was not true..  :dunno:
Scare tactics would mean I was exaggerating the negative effects of an action, or inaction in order to sway your opinion.
As far as zero legitimacy of my statements, well, we don't have to agree, it is just my opinion.
Then encouraging people to quit complaining about weapons, and complain about an entirely different subject, like management and access is not the same thing.

 
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: tgomez on August 10, 2015, 08:39:45 PM
[If I had to hunt with a spear, Id find a way to fill my tag again. :chuckle:

LOL...the general spear season opens September 1st. Any fawn is all that is open...
[/quote]
I think I can get a good size meat loaf and a couple sandwiches out of the deal. :chuckle: Huntingcis for food and spending time with loved ones, if not why bother? Untill next time, need to work on my spear chuckin!
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: huntnphool on August 10, 2015, 11:33:19 PM
Quote
Only one complaining is you, using false narratives and scare tactics that have absolutely zero legitimacy.

 It's funny how your second sentence you complain about people "bellyaching" about the rules being too restrictive, and you end your rant encouraging people to complain about those same rules. :chuckle:





?
One of us is confused...

 Well that's the first thing you've said that's correct, you are certainly confused. :tup:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: tgomez on August 11, 2015, 11:57:39 PM
Maybe if I shoot red tracer rounds out of my Remington 700 30-06, I can see where my bullet hit the deer? :dunno: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 06, 2015, 05:19:34 PM
You would have a good idea at least...
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: BABackcountryBwhntr on November 10, 2015, 01:26:27 PM
What WDFW and everyone needs to understand that the harvest numbers in archery are higher simply because of the people hunting not the weapon.  Not saying there isn't excellent hunters in other user groups, but most roadhunters/ beginners/ weekend warriors are going to hunt modern while as a rule people who choose archery are committed, experienced, and successful hunters.  Switch all the archery hunters to modern and the modern hunters to archery and you would see modern harvest statistics go up a lot and archery harvest plumet. 

Again this isn't saying there isn't extremely hardcore modern hunters.  There is, and I know many of them.  You know how it is 90% of the elk are killed by 10% of the hunters who have put in the time for years and years.
Ive hunted deer with a modern firearm for 20 years, hunted for my first 14 with modern firearm and harvested 14 deer. Switched to archery for 5 years and harvested 5 deer. Back to modern last year and harvested another deer. That's 20 deer in 20 years, 100%. I feel if you can hunt than your weapon of choice has nothing to do with being successful. Some people are simply not good at hunting, so I personaly don't agree. If I had to hunt with a spear, Id find a way to fill my tag again. :chuckle:

I agree 100% with the first poster, you need to see the circus that is rifle season on the west side to understand. I agree that I too can fill a tag with any weapon every year, but that isnt the point..... archery guys have to work harder on average... locked gates etc.. just how it is.... I would argue though that the late buck hunt is about as easy as it gets.... lots of stupid deer still running around....
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: Shooting Stix on January 12, 2016, 01:21:59 AM
I personally think the lighted knocks should be legal so it would be easier to recover the arrow so some bowhunters can confirm whether they connected on an animal or not Im sure a lot of animals get wounded and die especially in Washington because of the think brush and wet weather which can affect the blood trails. So if you can recover the arrow you can also determine if it was a good shot in the heart or a gut shot so you can back out to allow the animal to expire. Just an opinion from a bowhunter
Title: Re: Lighted Nocks
Post by: popeshawnpaul on January 16, 2016, 09:02:56 AM
I personally think the lighted knocks should be legal so it would be easier to recover the arrow so some bowhunters can confirm whether they connected on an animal or not Im sure a lot of animals get wounded and die especially in Washington because of the think brush and wet weather which can affect the blood trails. So if you can recover the arrow you can also determine if it was a good shot in the heart or a gut shot so you can back out to allow the animal to expire. Just an opinion from a bowhunter

They are legal.  Been a few years now.
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