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Title: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 08:30:36 AM
The WDFW website doesn't reflect it yet, but the goat tag raffle got heavily flooded yesterday by a guy who still has some in reserve.  Evidently, WDFW only updates the website once a week.

As it stands now, it will take at least $25K to get 60% odds at this point if historical figures are any indication. And, at least $60K or more to get to 85%.  Of course, a guy that buys just one tag would win it all. Crazy.

Anyway, I'm just passing this along as a courtesy since it would suck for someone that's thinking about doing it to depend on WDFW's outdated website for the latest raffle tag count and then end up inadvertently screwing themselves on the odds...and whoever else that already laid down some dough for mountain goat conservation.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: sirmissalot on March 23, 2016, 08:47:35 AM
Can you give us a link as to where to see this information?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: whacker1 on March 23, 2016, 08:48:14 AM
wow, between now and july to collect additional raffle tickets.  Is that his way of saying, don't bother in an attempt to increase his odds?  the raffles have definitely changed since they started.  I wish I could afford to play at that level.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 08:57:54 AM
wow, between now and july to collect additional raffle tickets.  Is that his way of saying, don't bother in an attempt to increase his odds?  the raffles have definitely changed since they started.  I wish I could afford to play at that level.

No. It's more like the guy's way of saying, "Think long and hard about laying that cash down since the odds are a lot worse now for you than what the WDFW website might lead you to believe."

And, you can go to B.C. a few times for that kind of money.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 08:59:54 AM
Can you give us a link as to where to see this information?

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/

There's only 147 showing but I can assure you that are a lot more than that as of yesterday.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: 50CalJim on March 23, 2016, 09:09:40 AM
Seems kinda ignorant to waste a bunch of cash on Raffle tags at this point when you could  wait for the Special Permit draw & potentionaly get the same Tag for pennies on the Dollar. :lol4: :lol4: :lol4:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 09:16:19 AM
Very, very true.  ;)
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 23, 2016, 09:30:41 AM
Can we see the final numbers from 2015??
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 23, 2016, 09:32:29 AM
Nevermind. Got her. Search function works wonders.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on March 23, 2016, 12:08:03 PM
Are these tags transferable?

Can you gift them should you win?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 12:24:02 PM
That's a good question.  It's under a WILD ID so I assume it isn't like the G-Tag transfer election.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that he's gotten bumped out of the G-tag bidding the last three years so he's not likely to give it up if he draws.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 23, 2016, 12:34:02 PM
Great post, I think putting down that kind of money early is sending a signal to the other "whales" that they are going to have to lay some serious cash to increase their odds.  Whoever bought these wants the tag bad!  That being said thanks for the contribution to the state and I hope a guy who only buys one ticket pulls the tag, lol. 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Timber on March 23, 2016, 12:44:19 PM
I love third person posts. Very clever bushcraft. Good luck to you. 👍
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 12:51:45 PM
Ha, ha!

That guy says "Thanks!"

 ;)
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on March 23, 2016, 12:56:27 PM
I love third person posts. Very clever bushcraft. Good luck to you. 👍

Ha, ha!

That guy says "Thanks!"

 ;)


Is this implying that Bushcraft is the guy who purchased an epic ton of raffle tickets yesterday?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 01:03:16 PM
I love third person posts. Very clever bushcraft. Good luck to you. 👍

Ha, ha!

That guy says "Thanks!"

 ;)


Is this implying that Bushcraft is the guy who purchased an epic ton of raffle tickets yesterday?

Pretty sure that's the implication.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: 92xj on March 23, 2016, 01:04:57 PM
Or maybe he purchased 147 and is just saying a ton more were purchased in hopes of turning people away. Sneaky sneaky
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: blacktailer on March 23, 2016, 01:18:23 PM
Perfect response Timber...  The wanna be Goat elitists in this State are out of control; stroking each others ego's and who knows what else.   I don't think the jedi mind tricks are working in starting this thread.  I will still buy my $200 or so worth of tags nonetheless.  Nice thing about the raffle is that everyone with a ticket gets a shot
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on March 23, 2016, 01:20:25 PM
Or maybe he purchased 147 and I'd just saying a ton more were purchased in hopes of turning people away. Sneaky sneaky

Negative.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: 92xj on March 23, 2016, 01:21:57 PM
Or maybe he purchased 147 and I'd just saying a ton more were purchased in hopes of turning people away. Sneaky sneaky

Negative.

sly sarcasm
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on March 23, 2016, 01:28:46 PM
Trying to not come across like a jerk, but what is the point of starting this thread? I sort of get the feel that you're bragging about it.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: GurrCentral on March 23, 2016, 01:32:04 PM
Trying to not come across like a jerk, but what is the point of starting this thread? I sort of get the feel that you're bragging about it.

 :yeah:  The raffles should be capped at a certain # of tickets per person. If you want a goat hunt and are dropping alot of money, go north, or buy the auction tag. Everyone should be able to have the same chance...ya, ya i know that we all do in the draw.....  also, I am not saying I disagree with $ going towards our wildlife at all.. just don't agree with filling the tumbler...
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 01:33:03 PM
Perfect response Timber...  The wanna be Goat elitists in this State are out of control; stroking each others ego's and who knows what else.   I don't think the jedi mind tricks are working in starting this thread.  I will still buy my $200 or so worth of tags nonetheless.  Nice thing about the raffle is that everyone with a ticket gets a shot

Trying to not come across like a jerk, but what is the point of starting this thread? I sort of get the feel that you're bragging about it.


Sorry.  This thread wasn't meant to be contentious in any way, shape or form.  Merely a courtesy since WDFW doesn't automatically update.

And you are absolutely correct, the beautiful thing about a raffle is that everyone has a chance if they want to participate.  That said, the same is true of the G-Tags.  There's nothing "elitist" about it.  At the end of the day it just comes down one's personal priorities.  Everyone's priorities are different.  And for what it's worth, I know the guys that have got it the last three years, and know of the guy that bought it this year.  They are all good people. 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on March 23, 2016, 01:34:03 PM
Trying to not come across like a jerk, but what is the point of starting this thread? I sort of get the feel that you're bragging about it.

 :yeah:  The raffles should be capped at a certain # of tickets per person. If you want a goat hunt and are dropping alot of money, go north, or buy the auction tag. Everyone should be able to have the same chance...ya, ya i know that we all do in the draw.....  also, I am not saying I disagree with $ going towards our wildlife at all.. just don't agree with filling the tumbler...

I agree. I'd much rather see a cap on raffle tag purchases than see 1 guy "buy" the raffle. Folks can say everyone has a chance but when a guy drops $10k on raffle tickets, that pretty much destroys most everyone else's odds of winning it.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on March 23, 2016, 01:35:56 PM
Perfect response Timber...  The wanna be Goat elitists in this State are out of control; stroking each others ego's and who knows what else.   I don't think the jedi mind tricks are working in starting this thread.  I will still buy my $200 or so worth of tags nonetheless.  Nice thing about the raffle is that everyone with a ticket gets a shot

Sorry.  This thread wasn't meant to be contentious in any way, shape or form.  Merely a courtesy since WDFW doesn't automatically update.

And you are absolutely correct, the beautiful thing about a raffle is that everyone has a chance if they participate.  That said, the same is true of the G-Tags.  There's nothing "elitist" about it.  At the end of the day it just comes down one's personal priorities.  Everyone's priorities are different.  And for what it's worth, I know the guys that have got it the last three years, and know of the guy that bought it this year.  They are all good people.

Thanks for the information.
I was there when the auction tag was sold this year. Did you get outbid? Oh, and I agree re: the gentleman that bought it this year. He made a few nice donations. Not just the goat tag purchase.


Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 01:37:26 PM
Yes I did.  For the third year in a row.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on March 23, 2016, 02:08:20 PM
So if it is going to take $25K to get a 60% chance at the tag I assume that means you dropped enough to buy 3,000 tickets, more tickets than were sold all of last year.  Am I reading into this correctly?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on March 23, 2016, 02:09:25 PM
Good Luck Bushcraft  :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: whacker1 on March 23, 2016, 02:15:56 PM
Good Luck Bushcraft  :tup:

 :tup: Good luck
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: WAcoueshunter on March 23, 2016, 02:18:11 PM
Uggh, you've got to be kidding me, wish I would have seen this thread yesterday before I dumped $10K on GOAT tickets!   :bash:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: emac on March 23, 2016, 02:18:35 PM
I love third person posts. Very clever bushcraft. Good luck to you. 👍
I started thinking the same thing once I saw that he posted this same thing over on the rockslide form.

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Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: grundy53 on March 23, 2016, 02:23:35 PM
Why the third person post? Why not just come out and say that you dumped a bunch of money into the goat raffle?

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Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 02:36:59 PM
Why the third person post? Why not just come out and say that you dumped a bunch of money into the goat raffle?

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That's a fair question Grundy.

To be perfectly honest I deliberately used the third person since it seemed more like a light-hearted courtesy than a horn tooting.  Quite frankly, I was surprised that in this day and age the WDFW website doesn't update automatically.  For crying out loud...it's 2016!  I'd be a little ticked at WDFW if I went into it not knowing what the updated odds are, only to find out three or four other guys bought a chunk at pretty much the exact same time.

Regards,

Allen
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: rosscrazyelk on March 23, 2016, 02:51:31 PM
Once again just another ave for the rich to play and the poor guy get suckered into buying..
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: grundy53 on March 23, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Why the third person post? Why not just come out and say that you dumped a bunch of money into the goat raffle?

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That's a fair question Grundy.

To be perfectly honest I deliberately used the third person since it seemed more like a light-hearted courtesy than a horn tooting.  Quite frankly, I was surprised that in this day and age the WDFW website doesn't update automatically.  For crying out loud...it's 2016!  I'd be a little ticked at WDFW if I went into it not knowing what the updated odds are, only to find out three or four other guys bought a chunk at pretty much the exact same time.

Regards,

Allen
That's understandable. Thanks for the response.

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Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 03:10:38 PM
Once again just another ave for the rich to play and the poor guy get suckered into buying..

I'm not rich. I'm just a guy that works his butt off and has a very specific set of prioritized goals and objectives in life.  One of them happens to be hunting goats in this state and being able to enjoy the DIY experience with hunting buddies over the course of the fall season instead of a 5-7 day "hurry-up-golf" type of guided hunt in B.C. where you just show up, hike up and shoot the one a guide points out. Could someone that buys one tag win it? Absolutely. In fact, that may have happened last year but I don't know for certain.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2016, 03:21:59 PM
The person who won the goat raffle last year bought 10 tickets. I just looked it up.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jkthomps on March 23, 2016, 03:22:30 PM


The WDFW website doesn't reflect it yet, but the goat tag raffle got heavily flooded yesterday by a guy who still has some in reserve.  Evidently, WDFW only updates the website once a week.

As it stands now, it will take at least $25K to get 60% odds at this point if historical figures are any indication. And, at least $60K or more to get to 85%.  Of course, a guy that buys just one tag would win it all. Crazy.

Anyway, I'm just passing this along as a courtesy since it would suck for someone that's thinking about doing it to depend on WDFW's outdated website for the latest raffle tag count and then end up inadvertently screwing themselves on the odds...and whoever else that already laid down some dough for mountain goat conservation.

I just decreased your odds by a lot. Sorry.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 23, 2016, 03:40:23 PM
Bushcraft, good luck!  You seem to want the tag pretty bad, its crazy how much the governor tag is going for now, it used to be a pretty good bargin I'm not sure why the demand is so high now though, maybe goats are the new sheep, IDK. 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: whacker1 on March 23, 2016, 03:45:18 PM
Trying to not come across like a jerk, but what is the point of starting this thread? I sort of get the feel that you're bragging about it.

 :yeah:  The raffles should be capped at a certain # of tickets per person. If you want a goat hunt and are dropping alot of money, go north, or buy the auction tag. Everyone should be able to have the same chance...ya, ya i know that we all do in the draw.....  also, I am not saying I disagree with $ going towards our wildlife at all.. just don't agree with filling the tumbler...

I agree. I'd much rather see a cap on raffle tag purchases than see 1 guy "buy" the raffle. Folks can say everyone has a chance but when a guy drops $10k on raffle tickets, that pretty much destroys most everyone else's odds of winning it.


I appreciate that Bushcraft came on here to say that he dumped a bunch of tickets into the game and hope that he has grand success and shares it with us.  But I do agree that I wish that they would cap the buying on these raffle tags at set figure of tickets available to any one individual.  But until they do, I hope it is guys like him that win, participate and share
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: whacker1 on March 23, 2016, 03:46:18 PM
Once again just another ave for the rich to play and the poor guy get suckered into buying..

I'm not rich. I'm just a guy that works his butt off and has a very specific set of prioritized goals and objectives in life.  One of them happens to be hunting goats in this state and being able to enjoy the DIY experience with hunting buddies over the course of the fall season instead of a 5-7 day "hurry-up-golf" type of guided hunt in B.C. where you just show up, hike up and shoot the one a guide points out. Could someone that buys one tag win it? Absolutely. In fact, that may have happened last year but I don't know for certain.

I like your logic on spending the whole season with friends after the experience.  I hope you share the experience with us along the way.  Again, Best of luck and I will find one of the other raffles to put my money in
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on March 23, 2016, 03:59:53 PM
It sounds like you have a plan and I wish you luck.

It will be interesting to see if this tactic works.  I am not sure I would have told the world about it and maybe dropped the cash at the last minute.  This may work and keep others from spending $60 or $120 on a few tickets, only time will tell.  This may come down to you and another big spender taking your chances at a coin flip for the tag with each of you buying 49% of the tickets and the other 2% going to the smaller investors.

I do hope if you or whoever is lucky enough to win the raffle that you keep us in the loop and let us follow along.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Skillet on March 23, 2016, 04:34:38 PM
It's a good poker move.  In the game I've played in,  sometimes the guy with the big bank will over bet early on hopes of pushing everybody out. In poker, he's called a bully.  We all don't really like it at the table, and all wish we had the chips to pull it off ourselves.
Probably totally different in the raffle, though.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Colville on March 23, 2016, 05:06:19 PM
The raffle's purpose isn't equality. It's revenue. With the idea, if not reality, that the one animal cash haul is dedicated to that species development in the state.  Caps to x tix per person are going to cut the haul significantly. It's "likely" to be won by a thicker than average wallet, but odds on one ticket are better than a number of ordinarly special permit draws.  If I didn't have kids in high competition sports I could be dropping big into these things.... instead, OIL permit draw here I come.

Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Colville on March 23, 2016, 05:10:39 PM
It's a good poker move.  In the game I've played in,  sometimes the guy with the big bank will over bet early on hopes of pushing everybody out. In poker, he's called a bully.  We all don't really like it at the table, and all wish we had the chips to pull it off ourselves.
Probably totally different in the raffle, though.

The difference is that you can't bluff.  You can tilt the table with real tag purchases and that puts a huge dent in the thought that one or two guys might have been able to get 75% odds.  They still could but now it takes a lot more resources.  It's definitely an aggressive move, but there's no bluffing.

Now if the state wanted to protect maximum sales.... they could chose to post NO updates on tickets sold until the moment of the draw. hmmmm  Now every guy hoping to tilt the scales has to go blind. 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Skillet on March 23, 2016, 05:30:43 PM
Agreed, it was a bit of a stretch...  :chuckle:

 I have no problem with raffles and unlimited ticket buying opportunities.
Draw - everybody has relatively the same odds (very bad) at a very low buy-in
Raffle - Increase your odds by increasing your buy-in, but still not a 100% guarantee
Gov Tag - Bid more than the second place guy and your odds of winning are 100%

There's room for all three methods.  Trying to limit raffle tags to make it more like a draw defeats the purpose - shaking down the medium money players who would otherwise sit on the sidelines of the Gov tag auctions.

Interesting point about publishing tickets bought. 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: emac on March 23, 2016, 06:27:06 PM
Bushcraft. If you win the raffle pick me, pick me to tag along. Hopefully I am the first to ask

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Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: High Climber on March 23, 2016, 06:36:54 PM
I'm gonna be the guy that draws with one ticket :chuckle:sorry about your luck
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 06:51:32 PM
Bushcraft. If you win the raffle pick me, pick me to tag along. Hopefully I am the first to ask

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With some luck, there will be plenty of room for extra glass on the mountain.  ;)
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: PlateauNDN on March 23, 2016, 07:07:27 PM
So there's still a chance I could win... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Buckjunkie on March 23, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
This is funny. I have a friend that said he just dropped $10k in the goat raffle. Can't wait to see the new numbers.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: kentrek on March 23, 2016, 07:38:08 PM
Your odds keep going down...sorry
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: emac on March 23, 2016, 08:10:09 PM
Bushcraft. If you win the raffle pick me, pick me to tag along. Hopefully I am the first to ask

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With some luck, there will be plenty of room for extra glass on the mountain.  ;)
Well keep me in mind if you draw. But hopefully I am chasing my own goat

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Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Buckjunkie on March 23, 2016, 08:14:59 PM
The WDFW website doesn't reflect it yet, but the goat tag raffle got heavily flooded yesterday by a guy who still has some in reserve.  Evidently, WDFW only updates the website once a week.

As it stands now, it will take at least $25K to get 60% odds at this point if historical figures are any indication. And, at least $60K or more to get to 85%.  Of course, a guy that buys just one tag would win it all. Crazy.

Anyway, I'm just passing this along as a courtesy since it would suck for someone that's thinking about doing it to depend on WDFW's outdated website for the latest raffle tag count and then end up inadvertently screwing themselves on the odds...and whoever else that already laid down some dough for mountain goat conservation.

I will challenge your math:

$25,000 to get 60% odds means there is a total of $16,666 including the 147 that already show on WDFW's website.

$60,000 to get 85% odds means there is a total of $10,588 including the 147 showing.

Both can't be true?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bango skank on March 23, 2016, 08:18:41 PM
Ive never bought raffle tickets, but despite my wish to give wdfw as little money as possible im having a hard time not buying a handful of moose tickets.  I really want a wa moose tag!  This thread isnt helping.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on March 23, 2016, 08:31:21 PM
Ive never bought raffle tickets, but despite my wish to give wdfw as little money as possible im having a hard time not buying a handful of moose tickets.  I really want a wa moose tag!  This thread isnt helping.
:yeah:
This thread has inspired me to get involved in one or more of these raffles.

that is why i think this is going to be so interesting to watch.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 23, 2016, 08:35:43 PM
The WDFW website doesn't reflect it yet, but the goat tag raffle got heavily flooded yesterday by a guy who still has some in reserve.  Evidently, WDFW only updates the website once a week.

As it stands now, it will take at least $25K to get 60% odds at this point if historical figures are any indication. And, at least $60K or more to get to 85%.  Of course, a guy that buys just one tag would win it all. Crazy.

Anyway, I'm just passing this along as a courtesy since it would suck for someone that's thinking about doing it to depend on WDFW's outdated website for the latest raffle tag count and then end up inadvertently screwing themselves on the odds...and whoever else that already laid down some dough for mountain goat conservation.

I will challenge your math:

$25,000 to get 60% odds means there is a total of $16,666 including the 147 that already show on WDFW's website.

$60,000 to get 85% odds means there is a total of $10,588 including the 147 showing.

Both can't be true?

Sorry for any confusion.  It was quickie math for the purpose of brevity.  I'm including another 4K in reserve plus 500ish tags bought by others in increments.  Here's a chart of diminishing returns.

Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Tbar on March 23, 2016, 08:42:16 PM
Good luck.  This would be an amazing hunt.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Buckjunkie on March 23, 2016, 08:43:16 PM
Good Luck!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jkthomps on March 23, 2016, 08:45:41 PM
The WDFW website doesn't reflect it yet, but the goat tag raffle got heavily flooded yesterday by a guy who still has some in reserve.  Evidently, WDFW only updates the website once a week.

As it stands now, it will take at least $25K to get 60% odds at this point if historical figures are any indication. And, at least $60K or more to get to 85%.  Of course, a guy that buys just one tag would win it all. Crazy.

Anyway, I'm just passing this along as a courtesy since it would suck for someone that's thinking about doing it to depend on WDFW's outdated website for the latest raffle tag count and then end up inadvertently screwing themselves on the odds...and whoever else that already laid down some dough for mountain goat conservation.

I will challenge your math:

$25,000 to get 60% odds means there is a total of $16,666 including the 147 that already show on WDFW's website.

$60,000 to get 85% odds means there is a total of $10,588 including the 147 showing.

Both can't be true?

Sorry for any confusion.  It was quickie math for the purpose of brevity.  I'm including another 4K in reserve plus 500ish tags bought by others in increments.  Here's a chart of diminishing returns.
This is a start but what is your input data? Where is your margin for error?  What are you entering for unknown number of tags for others? Are you using a law of large numbers or past 5 year tags sold, 10 year?  I need more info lol.

I like the graph, but it doesn't help without knowing your input factors. Details man detail ;)
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jkthomps on March 23, 2016, 08:47:16 PM
Nevermind, I read your post again, I blame tapatalk for only showing the graph until I quoted it... You might have even played it safe with your info.

Nice work!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: actionshooter on March 23, 2016, 09:09:57 PM
Thanks for reminding me I still need to buy some tickets...... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RadSav on March 23, 2016, 09:17:12 PM
This is funny. I have a friend that said he just dropped $10k in the goat raffle. Can't wait to see the new numbers.

I've been thinking of dropping $6K in the drawing.

But if someone wanted to give me $2,000 of their reserve gambling money I could be persuaded to put it on a sheep or moose tag instead. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 24, 2016, 03:44:30 PM
I buy 1 ticket.  My odds are infinitely better with 1 than 0 tickets, and I can't buy enough tickets to improve my odds appreciably.  1 ticket keeps the dream alive until the raffle is drawn.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jkthomps on March 24, 2016, 03:55:12 PM
I buy 1 ticket.  My odds are infinitely better with 1 than 0 tickets, and I can't buy enough tickets to improve my odds appreciably.  1 ticket keeps the dream alive until the raffle is drawn.
I like your logical optimistic thinking. I hope you win with one ticket! That would be awesome!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: rosscrazyelk on March 24, 2016, 04:15:06 PM
Good luck bushcraft on your  mission. I wish you well.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bango skank on March 24, 2016, 05:05:18 PM
So im a sucker, just bought raffle tickets.  Got a new license printed out but no actual numbers.  Is this normal?  Was i supposed to get numbers??
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 24, 2016, 07:32:08 PM
Thanks for the well wishes everyone.  I appreciate it and am keeping my fingers crossed.

Anyone that wants to wear out some boots and help glass is welcome to come along and scout if I luck out on the draw.   :tup:

So im a sucker, just bought raffle tickets.  Got a new license printed out but no actual numbers.  Is this normal?  Was i supposed to get numbers??

There should be some numbers at the bottom of your receipt.  PM me if you like.

Regards,

Allen

Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: MLBowhunting on March 24, 2016, 08:02:43 PM
Awesome,  way to put the odds in your favor :tup:.  It's a dream hunt of mine for sure and I hope youdo get the raffle and keep us all ininformed.   Best of luck.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 24, 2016, 08:12:48 PM
Awesome,  way to put the odds in your favor :tup:.  It's a dream hunt of mine for sure and I hope youdo get the raffle and keep us all ininformed.   Best of luck.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bango skank on March 24, 2016, 08:15:14 PM
I see em now, thanks
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: bearpaw on March 24, 2016, 08:16:58 PM
Good luck to whomever draws the tag, it will be a great hunt, hopefully we'll get to read the story. Goat tags have really gone up in demand, I wished I could have afforded a governor tag 5 or 10 years ago. I'll probably have to go to Alaska or BC someday, it's cheaper up there.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 24, 2016, 08:20:19 PM
Dale,

Cheaper and better genetics.  If this doesn't work out, I'm headed to B.C.

Regards,

Allen
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: The scout on March 24, 2016, 08:26:19 PM
shearer?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jkthomps on March 24, 2016, 11:19:19 PM
Dale,

Cheaper and better genetics.  If this doesn't work out, I'm headed to B.C.

Regards,

Allen
You and me both! Good luck on this!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JoeE on March 25, 2016, 08:20:16 AM
How many tickets did you buy?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 25, 2016, 10:55:57 AM
shearer?

No sir.  My last name is Ernst.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RadSav on March 25, 2016, 11:10:42 AM
Never heard of shearing goats.  Thought that was a sheep thing. :dunno: 


I guess Angora are goats, aren't they?  Never mind! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on March 25, 2016, 12:15:15 PM
That's where my mind went too Rad....

The late season ones have more to sheer  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Buckjunkie on March 25, 2016, 04:20:00 PM
Seriously Coach? Al Shearer is one of the nicest guys I have ever met and you are going to take a shot like that at him?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 25, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Buckjunkie,

I don't know Coachcw and I don't presume to speak for him, but I don't believe for a second he was "taking a shot" or meant anything untoward with his comment. Rather, I simply construed that he thought Al Shearer might not feel inclined to traipse around in the steep, cliffy stuff that mountain goats call home.  Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but I don't think Coach meant anything by it.

Regards,

Allen
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackmaster on March 25, 2016, 06:30:17 PM
Dumb question, but wouldn't it be cheaper just to hire a guide and go on a guided full furnished hunt up in Alaska, or maybe even a combo, Yukon moose, goat, and wolverine hunt? Someday, when i win the lotto, I am gonna have alot of fun :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JoeE on March 25, 2016, 06:38:29 PM
I think part of it is the DIY. I'd much rather go do it on my own and get it done myself then pay a guide to show me. Even if it ends up costing the same.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 25, 2016, 08:00:35 PM
I think part of it is the DIY. I'd much rather go do it on my own and get it done myself then pay a guide to show me. Even if it ends up costing the same.

Joe nailed it.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RadSav on March 25, 2016, 08:01:56 PM
I think part of it is the DIY. I'd much rather go do it on my own and get it done myself then pay a guide to show me. Even if it ends up costing the same.

Absolutely :tup:  I have been on half a dozen goat trips to BC.  Many of those guides have become good friends of mine.  Yet I would still rather be hunting on my own, at my own pace and sleep and eat what and where I want. 

I had a particular big billy I wanted.  I know for certain I could have killed him if I had packed a tent up on top of the mountain and just waited him out.  But, in the limited time and with all the liability concerns for the outfit we couldn't hunt that way.  I like to take things in and just absorb the whole experience.  That's hard to do when you have just seven days and you're on a leash.

Plus, I find there is something special about hunting my back yard.  Getting to experience something few here will ever get a chance to do.  I'm fascinated by the animal, but the experience is what I am after most.  Just hard to do with a guide and a set schedule.

Now you got me thinking of challenging Bushcraft for the tag again.  I have been a runner up on this tag multiple times.  I know how he feels.  But I'm not getting any younger or skinnier. :chuckle:  I'd like my chance too. ;)
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Buckjunkie on March 25, 2016, 08:10:51 PM
Allen,

I don't know Coach either, but I have read many of his comments. You seem like a nice guy and I respect your desire to keep it civil. I hope you draw the raffle tag and have the hunt of a lifetime.

Regards,

Jim
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 25, 2016, 09:16:34 PM
Allen,

I don't know Coach either, but I have read many of his comments. You seem like a nice guy and I respect your desire to keep it civil. I hope you draw the raffle tag and have the hunt of a lifetime.

Regards,

Jim

Thank you Jim!

I hope you get the draw (or two!) of your dreams and have a great hunting season this Fall.

Best regards,

Allen
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 25, 2016, 09:27:50 PM
I think part of it is the DIY. I'd much rather go do it on my own and get it done myself then pay a guide to show me. Even if it ends up costing the same.

Absolutely :tup:  I have been on half a dozen goat trips to BC.  Many of those guides have become good friends of mine.  Yet I would still rather be hunting on my own, at my own pace and sleep and eat what and where I want. 

I had a particular big billy I wanted.  I know for certain I could have killed him if I had packed a tent up on top of the mountain and just waited him out.  But, in the limited time and with all the liability concerns for the outfit we couldn't hunt that way.  I like to take things in and just absorb the whole experience.  That's hard to do when you have just seven days and you're on a leash.

Plus, I find there is something special about hunting my back yard.  Getting to experience something few here will ever get a chance to do.  I'm fascinated by the animal, but the experience is what I am after most.  Just hard to do with a guide and a set schedule.

Now you got me thinking of challenging Bushcraft for the tag again.  I have been a runner up on this tag multiple times.  I know how he feels.  But I'm not getting any younger or skinnier. :chuckle:  I'd like my chance too. ;)


Radsav,

If (and it's a big if) I luck out you should come with.  Given the number of goat hunts you've been on it sounds like you could be a wealth of knowledge/experience.  When it comes to OIL critters, it's all about the experience and time spent with friends both old and new in the backcountry that makes the hunt.

Regards,

Allen
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RadSav on March 25, 2016, 09:46:51 PM
These days I am not an asset on the mountain.  Would take me days to get up there and then restricted once I'm there.  Shanevg would be the guy I'd want in my corner if I was you.  He has been a wealth of information and extremely generous.  And, I doubt you would need to worry about taking him off the mountain in a body bag. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on March 25, 2016, 09:49:08 PM
These days I am not an asset on the mountain.  Would take me days to get up there and then restricted once I'm there.  Shanevg would be the guy I'd want in my corner if I was you.  He has been a wealth of information and extremely generous.  And, I doubt you would need to worry about taking him off the mountain in a body bag. :chuckle:
:chuckle:  the last sentence was too funny, but taking Shanevg, great advice!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RadSav on March 25, 2016, 10:02:17 PM
The reality is so sad it is sort of comical.  The mind is 21, the spirit is 31 and the body shows 41 years of abuse.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: coachcw on March 26, 2016, 07:38:24 AM
Totally nothing negative meant by it .... Allen Is a good dude .I met him years ago up in Bc hunting .He is a happy go lucky guy . He has done really well for him self and the sport . I just meant I don't see him as a guy that's gonna be climbing around goat country . I'm not a guy thats gonna be either for that matter but I'm dumb enough to try. That's all I meant . When we see a name ( like  Allen ) people speculate on who . I was just saying I donT believe its that allen. Goat hunting is a young mans sport . I know rumors start pretty quick hell I'm some guide for a guy I don't even know. Good luck on drawing the tag you wont get much competition from me on it .
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on March 28, 2016, 03:11:20 PM
Appears to have updated....
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Skillet on March 28, 2016, 03:17:10 PM
1883 tix sold as of now.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: PlateauNDN on March 28, 2016, 03:21:44 PM
Totally nothing negative meant by it .... Allen Is a good dude .I met him years ago up in Bc hunting .He is a happy go lucky guy . He has done really well for him self and the sport . I just meant I don't see him as a guy that's gonna be climbing around goat country . I'm not a guy thats gonna be either for that matter but I'm dumb enough to try. That's all I meant . When we see a name ( like  Allen ) people speculate on who . I was just saying I donT believe its that allen. Goat hunting is a young mans sport . I know rumors start pretty quick hell I'm some guide for a guy I don't even know. Good luck on drawing the tag you wont get much competition from me on it .

Young man's sport? What happens if I draw again who am I gonna call to help me pack another one off the mountain??? Karl??? Come on, I at least want to look exhausted like the next  guy not look like I'm dying from a heart attack with karl running around like a goat not breaking a sweat. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: PlateauNDN on March 28, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
I think part of it is the DIY. I'd much rather go do it on my own and get it done myself then pay a guide to show me. Even if it ends up costing the same.

This is my take from hunting. I've hunted so long by myself it's a new adventure sharing it with other like minded folks. I wanted my goat hunt to be memorable and I really wanted to prove to myself that I could get it done myself. I treasure the adventure, the hunt, the pursuit, not the kill. :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on March 28, 2016, 03:36:44 PM
1883 tix sold as of now.
A little quick math and figuring this thread sparked some sales outside of his I would say he spent $10k on tickets, still cheaper than the price of the auction tag just a little riskier.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: shanevg on March 28, 2016, 03:52:13 PM
1883 tix sold as of now.
A little quick math and figuring this thread sparked some sales outside of his I would say he spent $10k on tickets, still cheaper than the price of the auction tag just a little riskier.

Auction tag went for $34k this year and $27k last year.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on March 28, 2016, 03:57:44 PM
1883 tix sold as of now.
A little quick math and figuring this thread sparked some sales outside of his I would say he spent $10k on tickets, still cheaper than the price of the auction tag just a little riskier.

Auction tag went for $34k this year and $27k last year.
Exactly.  I don't think he wants to spend that much or he would have just bought the auction tag and been guaranteed to win.  Right now he has 1666 of the 1883 tickets.  My guess is if sales go like they normally do he will still have at least half of the tickets giving him a 50/50 shot at winning.  If he doesn't win he is out the $10k and would have to try again next year.  If he loses again the $30k to just buy the auction tag starts looking good.

This is quite the gamble and should be fun to watch.  It is like standing behind the guy at the $5k minimum blackjack table.

I hope it works out.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jkthomps on March 28, 2016, 04:03:42 PM
July 15th is a long ways away.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RadSav on March 28, 2016, 04:16:16 PM
Appears to have updated....

It has updated on Mondays for as long as I have paid attention.  Would be nice if it updated daily, but I assume that would raise the price of tickets or decrease revenue.

1883 tix sold as of now.

That is still below the annual average.  But I do think it is high for this early in raffle purchases.  If I remember right we didn't see it break 1500 last year until after permit app results were posted.  Maybe we will break the 2009 record!

Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bob33 on March 28, 2016, 04:37:45 PM
Appears to have updated....

It has updated on Mondays for as long as I have paid attention.  Would be nice if it updated daily, but I assume that would raise the price of tickets or decrease revenue.

1883 tix sold as of now.

That is still below the annual average.  But I do think it is high for this early in raffle purchases.  If I remember right we didn't see it break 1500 last year until after permit app results were posted.  Maybe we will break the 2009 record!
In 2015 2,354 tickets were sold.

In 2014 3,150 tickets were sold.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/big_game_raffle_ticket_sales.pdf
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JoeE on March 28, 2016, 07:30:59 PM
So who's going to offer up their spare bedroom to rent out to Bushcraft when he doesn't win and his wife boots him out for dropping 10k for nothing?? J/K I hope you win it Bushcraft, you are a lot braver than I am!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on March 28, 2016, 07:44:54 PM
Appears to have updated....

It has updated on Mondays for as long as I have paid attention.  Would be nice if it updated daily, but I assume that would raise the price of tickets or decrease revenue.

1883 tix sold as of now.

That is still below the annual average.  But I do think it is high for this early in raffle purchases.  If I remember right we didn't see it break 1500 last year until after permit app results were posted.  Maybe we will break the 2009 record!

Among other last minute odd-destroying flood fiascos, the 2009 "record" with multiple people piling in unbeknownst to one another (thereby screwing each of their respective odds) is precisely what I was hoping to avoid with my early courtesy announcement.

There is no good defendable reason in this day and age that the raffle ticket numbers can't be updated in real time.  Perhaps WDFW does it this way to try and make more money off everyone on the raffles by under-representing the actual odds.  Of course, Lady Luck will have the final say, but someone will have to dig deep and check their sanity in order for them to obtain an 85% chance (even more if I use the reserve set aside). If someone else spoke up early, I wouldn't have tried.  No way would I take those poor odds.  It would be far easier and a 100% certainty to just call Bolen Lewis or Milligan and go after a giant world class billy with some good guys.

On a somewhat related note, the moose odds appear to be the easiest/best option to flood at this point, particularly since there are two tags at play in the same raffle. If I weren't completely bonkers for a goat right now, I'd be hammering that moose raffle since I know where a great Shiras bull likes to hang out. He's bound to be bigger this year unless the wolves got him.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on March 29, 2016, 08:00:26 AM
There are a bunch of good raffles that still have low sales compared to what is typically sold but there is a ton of time left to buy them.  I am sure you are going to see numbers start jumping the first week of July as guys start positioning themselves in the categories that have the best odds.

My guess is we are going to see the highest raffle ticket sales this year.  Going to be interesting to watch the numbers jump.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bango skank on March 29, 2016, 02:08:52 PM
I bought a few dozen moose tickets already just incase i find myself out of state in july like i was last year.  I plan on buying a whole mess more before the deadline
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 30, 2016, 10:39:03 AM
So there's still a chance I could win... :chuckle:

Double down?   :dunno: :chuckle: :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: rackattack on March 30, 2016, 06:13:10 PM
Bushcraft you definitely made a impact on the goat raffle. :bow:  Hope you draw.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: PlateauNDN on March 30, 2016, 06:15:39 PM
So there's still a chance I could win... :chuckle:

Double down?   :dunno: :chuckle: :tup:

Back-to-back years for goat?!?!?!  A guy could dream right? :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 30, 2016, 06:23:49 PM
So what unit are you looking to hunt in if you win the raffle bushcraft?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Cat hunter on April 03, 2016, 02:02:30 PM
It has always made sense to me to wait until the special hunts drawing results are out before buying raffle tickets. I would hate to wind up with two oil tags in one year :o.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on April 03, 2016, 02:40:37 PM
It has always made sense to me to wait until the special hunts drawing results are out before buying raffle tickets. I would hate to wind up with two oil tags in one year :o.
:yeah:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: shanevg on April 03, 2016, 07:59:31 PM
It has always made sense to me to wait until the special hunts drawing results are out before buying raffle tickets. I would hate to wind up with two oil tags in one year :o.
:yeah:

2 goat tags in one year sounds like a blast to me!   :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on April 11, 2016, 11:05:32 AM
It has always made sense to me to wait until the special hunts drawing results are out before buying raffle tickets. I would hate to wind up with two oil tags in one year :o.
:yeah:

Has anyone ever won more than one special permit OIL in the same year?  Obviously the odds of such a multi-OIL miracle happening are exceedingly small, but I'm not sure it would be all that problematic unless one's time was severely limited, i.e., vacation days.  At a minimum and assuming a guy is in good shape and had knowledgeable hunting partners that could help glass, a sheep hunt in this state is about a three day deal (particularly the Cali's) since everyone knows where they are generally located and the bios are very helpful.  I imagine moose would be a few more days due to their preferred thicker foliaged habitat...unless one was holding out for a giant.  Goats could be as easy as a day hike if you just want to get one (particularly a nanny, which I vehemently disagree with taking), or a multi-month game of hide-and-seek if trying to go after one in particular with a bow...and still might not get it.   :'(

I met a guy out in the boonies who had drawn the Southeast or Northeast multi-animal raffle package AND a modern firearm big bull tag in the eastside unit that I hunt.   Wowser!  I asked him how in the world he managed to pull it all off and he said it was relatively easy with the help of bios and friends, the hardest hunt being the big bull hunt that he was on.  As an aside, he was quite possibly the happiest guy I've ever met.  ;) :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on April 11, 2016, 11:24:18 AM
Not much movement on the raffle sales, only at 1922.  Looking like your odds are pretty good right now.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: coachcw on April 11, 2016, 11:24:38 AM
It can make staying married tough lol.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RadSav on April 11, 2016, 11:26:15 AM
Not much movement on the raffle sales, only at 1922.  Looking like your odds are pretty good right now.

I'm still waiting for my payoff to buy sheep tickets instead of goat tickets. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on April 20, 2016, 08:01:09 PM
Did WDFW drop the traditional Monday morning raffle count update?  I know for a fact they can pull up the current quantity in a matter of seconds.  What gives???

The Northeastern raffle is looking very tempting (for the moose component).



Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Whitpirate on April 20, 2016, 08:42:33 PM
It's April... simmer down.  We've got months to go.  All the raffles will have lots of investment.  There is no gimmie on any of them.
Tickets are the cheap part.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JoeE on April 20, 2016, 09:05:22 PM
I'm going to wait until I don't draw in the OIL drawings then I'm going all in on raffles. And still won't draw. Repeat next year.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RadSav on April 20, 2016, 09:09:53 PM
My 6K just went to attorneys.  So the goat is all yours :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: WAcoueshunter on June 01, 2016, 10:27:15 AM
Update: No update done by the good folks at WDFW for more than two weeks.  :chuckle:

Actually, looks like they updated about an hour ago. 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: splitshot on June 01, 2016, 10:29:29 AM
    I think the goat hunt is the hardest of all hunts whether they are draw or not.    mike w
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on June 01, 2016, 10:41:55 AM
So we've reached the 2015 total sales mark and still have a month and a half to go.  My guess is this easily gets to the 2014 mark and maybe higher.  Looking forward to what total sales are and if this tactic works in your favor Bushcraft.  I hope it works out in your favor.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: 2MANY on June 01, 2016, 10:45:16 AM
I heard a few black goats have been spotted in one of the northern most units.
Very rare.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on June 01, 2016, 11:58:57 AM
So we've reached the 2015 total sales mark and still have a month and a half to go.  My guess is this easily gets to the 2014 mark and maybe higher.  Looking forward to what total sales are and if this tactic works in your favor Bushcraft.  I hope it works out in your favor.

Thanks Rainier10,

Hmmm, that could become an expensive donation to WDFW. :dunno: In the meantime all my appendages are getting tired of being crossed all the time.   :chuckle:

Quite frankly, it's absurd that WDFW does both the permit and raffle draws so late in the year.  If people are going to buy a special permit ticket and/or one or more raffle tag tickets, they are going to do so whether it's in January or July.  Let's get it on already so we can all lock in plans for the rapidly approaching Fall hunting season. 

Regards,

Allen
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on June 01, 2016, 07:03:58 PM
I heard a few black goats have been spotted in one of the northern most units.
Very rare.
Good luck.

Which unit?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RadSav on June 01, 2016, 07:51:45 PM
I heard a few black goats have been spotted in one of the northern most units.
Very rare.
Good luck.

Could an odd or disreputable member of a goat family call himself the "black sheep" of the flock?


Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Ridgerunner on June 01, 2016, 08:01:46 PM
There's no way the ticket sales are accurate.  Those are the final numbers from last year, in every category.  Do you know the odds of that occurring?  Something is not right on the webpage.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on June 02, 2016, 09:15:34 AM
Excellent catch Ridgerunner.

Not only were they late updating the figures by two weeks, they posted the wrong figures. Your and my license, tag and tax dollars at work ladies and gentlemen.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on June 02, 2016, 09:48:35 AM
Excellent catch Ridgerunner.

Not only were they late updating the figures by two weeks, they posted the wrong figures. Your and my license, tag and tax dollars at work ladies and gentlemen.  :rolleyes:

Does it really matter now? I guess it really matters at the end, but with a couple months left, how important is it to know now?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on June 02, 2016, 11:11:00 AM
I think it's important to know.


Perfect example.  I was looking at them yesterday.  The SE option had 222 permits sold so far.  While I've never purchased a ticket, I was tempted.  If that number is 2000, I'm out.   :twocents:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on June 02, 2016, 11:12:39 AM
I think it's important to know.


Perfect example.  I was looking at them yesterday.  The SE option had 222 permits sold so far.  While I've never purchased a ticket, I was tempted.  If that number is 2000, I'm out.   :twocents:

Exactly.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on June 02, 2016, 11:20:06 AM
Punch in the winning numbers from last year and see how many other tickets the winners bought.  One guy bought one ticket and won.  Another bought ten per category and won.  ""Flooding" the market doesn't always work.  It does help increase odds but in the end they are still "odds".
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RadSav on June 02, 2016, 11:40:20 AM
Apparently I've been runner up three times.  What do you think the odds are for that? :chuckle:  Buying more just makes me a first place loser!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on June 02, 2016, 11:47:45 AM
Apparently I've been runner up three times.  What do you think the odds are for that? :chuckle:  Buying more just makes me a first place loser!
That would be a long shot trifecta of epic proportions!  Is that true?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on June 02, 2016, 02:05:17 PM
It looks like they fixed the raffle count.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RadSav on June 02, 2016, 02:11:33 PM
Apparently I've been runner up three times.  What do you think the odds are for that? :chuckle:  Buying more just makes me a first place loser!
That would be a long shot trifecta of epic proportions!  Is that true?

If the letters they sent were accurate it is.  Though it could have been someone at WDFW that just hates me :dunno:  Not consecutive years.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on June 02, 2016, 02:19:13 PM
I think it's important to know.


Perfect example.  I was looking at them yesterday.  The SE option had 222 permits sold so far.  While I've never purchased a ticket, I was tempted.  If that number is 2000, I'm out.   :twocents:

Exactly.

I think it would be financially better for the state if they didn't show the count at all. Maybe more folks would participate.  I would if I couldn't see that someone just dumped $10k into it. Why would I bother spending my measly $100 if I could tell that someone has already put 100x that amount into the pot?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on June 02, 2016, 03:33:53 PM
I think it's important to know.


Perfect example.  I was looking at them yesterday.  The SE option had 222 permits sold so far.  While I've never purchased a ticket, I was tempted.  If that number is 2000, I'm out.   :twocents:

Exactly.

I think it would be financially better for the state if they didn't show the count at all. Maybe more folks would participate.  I would if I couldn't see that someone just dumped $10k into it. Why would I bother spending my measly $100 if I could tell that someone has already put 100x that amount into the pot?

I'm not so sure the state would make more money unless they changed a few things.  The problem with regard to making more money has everything to do with raising more awareness and increasing the ease of actually buying something.

In the case of special permits, everyone can easily buy them online when they buy their license and tags.  Conversely, due to state gambling laws WDFW forces people to go to an accredited point of sale to buy raffle tags…and do so in person.  Why they consider the special permit not gambling and raffle tags as a form of gambling that needs to be regulated is beyond me but probably relates to the lack of limitation imposed on the number of the latter. Most people are inherently lazy and procrastinate (myself included!), which means a good sized percentage of people that might buy raffle tags don't simply because a) they aren't aware of it to begin with, B) don’t understand the shifting odds, C) are too lazy to go buy one and/or procrastinate and miss the deadline.

Then, there is the aspect of odds.  One can easily review the odds of the special permit in the game regs, both online and in the paper regs.  The same isn't necessarily true with the raffle tags since those figures are only available if one wants to dig around online.  In either case, the purchase of 1 permit or 1 raffle tag results in the odds of winning being essentially zero.

Buying special permit apps is looked upon by most people as just something one does knowing A) they have to do so if they want to continue to build points which supposedly increases one's odds, and B) that lightning might strike and they'll win an opportunity to hunt in a particular unit.  Conversely, there is no build-up of points with the raffle...one increases their odds simply by buying more raffle tickets...but they have to be committed to shelling out some serious dough and buying a lot of them to get a meaningfully high enough chance of drawing (let's say 85% for example).  I suspect that the people that want to be reasonably confident of owning at least 85% of the raffle tickets going into the draw deadline simply aren't going to participate without knowing the odds at any significant level for the simple reason that it could quickly become FAR, FAR more expensive to reach 85% compared to simply just buying the Governor's tag or a B.C. goat hunt outright.  I know I certainly wouldn't.  And, nearly everyone I've spoken with that's tried this strategy successfully (and not) feels more or less the exact same way. 

There is a lottery-type of gambling (which I almost never do since I philosophically view public lotteries as an egregious tax on the poor and the stupid) and then there is another type that is more akin to taking a highly calculated risk (which I've strived to do all my life).

The bottom line is that it's anybody's guess as to which would make more money for the state (which I'm not sure is necessarily a good thing since private orgs could be more effective in many respects), but it's something interesting to discuss.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Whitenuckles on June 02, 2016, 10:15:37 PM
I've never heard of a black goat. Anyone got pics?


Good luck! Keep us posted!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on June 03, 2016, 09:27:06 AM
Quote
I've never heard of a black goat. Anyone got pics?


Drive to Sunnyside :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 03, 2016, 09:30:52 AM
 :chuckle: :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Blacktail135 on June 03, 2016, 07:20:01 PM
 I know a dude  8) that MAY have bought 777 Goat raffle tickets a few years ago (a year when 2 tags were available). HE  8) said that when the drawing results were finally posted (he said that the drawing results were about a month later than first scheduled  8) ) he was in 7th place on the list. Go figure! Oh well HE  8) once swung for the fence in the majors.  :) 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JoeE on June 10, 2016, 09:22:05 PM
So who's heading over their local license dealer and throwing some money at raffles now that they didn't draw that OIL tag? I know I am.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Cat hunter on June 10, 2016, 09:53:00 PM
So who's heading over their local license dealer and throwing some money at raffles now that they didn't draw that OIL tag? I know I am.
likewise  :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: X-Force on June 12, 2016, 12:39:33 PM
I need 10 tickets.....  :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on June 13, 2016, 02:12:34 PM
It's not showing (for me) the number of tickets purchased  :dunno:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: benhuntin on June 13, 2016, 05:32:12 PM
I don't see it either. 🙄


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Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: USMC86 on June 17, 2016, 02:55:07 PM
For what it's worth, there is value in buying a raffle ticket beyond the hunt itself.  For me, dreaming/thinking/planning/scheming about these hunts is almost as much fun as doing it.  Well, maybe not almost, but it still is pretty fun.  At any rate, application season is a fun time for me...basically it starts in December with the limited draw sheep units in Alaska and ends late in the summer after all the draw results have been posted.  And every time I buy one of those stupid tickets or put in the application, I'm buying a little hope.  Deep down, I know I probably won't draw a super-premium tag this year, but it's still fun to dream! Let the snarky comments begin!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: benhuntin on June 17, 2016, 03:29:31 PM
For what it's worth, there is value in buying a raffle ticket beyond the hunt itself.  For me, dreaming/thinking/planning/scheming about these hunts is almost as much fun as doing it.  Well, maybe not almost, but it still is pretty fun.  At any rate, application season is a fun time for me...basically it starts in December with the limited draw sheep units in Alaska and ends late in the summer after all the draw results have been posted.  And every time I buy one of those stupid tickets or put in the application, I'm buying a little hope.  Deep down, I know I probably won't draw a super-premium tag this year, but it's still fun to dream! Let the snarky comments begin!
Why don't you draw another moose and give me more than a day to get it done.


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Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: saylean on June 18, 2016, 10:55:18 AM
I put in for goat every year, but I will do it out of spite this year just to stack against the big money guy. ;) Root for the underdog!

Best of luck to all.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Ridgerunner on June 18, 2016, 11:03:58 PM
For what it's worth, there is value in buying a raffle ticket beyond the hunt itself.  For me, dreaming/thinking/planning/scheming about these hunts is almost as much fun as doing it.  Well, maybe not almost, but it still is pretty fun.  At any rate, application season is a fun time for me...basically it starts in December with the limited draw sheep units in Alaska and ends late in the summer after all the draw results have been posted.  And every time I buy one of those stupid tickets or put in the application, I'm buying a little hope.  Deep down, I know I probably won't draw a super-premium tag this year, but it's still fun to dream! Let the snarky comments begin!
  Agree 100%.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Falcon on June 19, 2016, 08:35:55 AM
For what it's worth, there is value in buying a raffle ticket beyond the hunt itself.  For me, dreaming/thinking/planning/scheming about these hunts is almost as much fun as doing it.  Well, maybe not almost, but it still is pretty fun.  At any rate, application season is a fun time for me...basically it starts in December with the limited draw sheep units in Alaska and ends late in the summer after all the draw results have been posted.  And every time I buy one of those stupid tickets or put in the application, I'm buying a little hope.  Deep down, I know I probably won't draw a super-premium tag this year, but it's still fun to dream! Let the snarky comments begin!
  Agree 100%.

 :yeah:
Add me
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Matth on June 20, 2016, 03:53:00 PM
I am about to flood the moose raffle market. probably a mistake but i have never been all that sharp :sry:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: benhuntin on June 20, 2016, 03:57:29 PM
I am about to flood the moose raffle market. probably a mistake but i have never been all that sharp :sry:
Define flood?


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Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on June 20, 2016, 04:06:16 PM
For what it's worth, there is value in buying a raffle ticket beyond the hunt itself.  For me, dreaming/thinking/planning/scheming about these hunts is almost as much fun as doing it.  Well, maybe not almost, but it still is pretty fun.  At any rate, application season is a fun time for me...basically it starts in December with the limited draw sheep units in Alaska and ends late in the summer after all the draw results have been posted.  And every time I buy one of those stupid tickets or put in the application, I'm buying a little hope.  Deep down, I know I probably won't draw a super-premium tag this year, but it's still fun to dream! Let the snarky comments begin!
  Agree 100%.

 :yeah:
Add me
yup, add me to that list!!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Pete112288 on June 20, 2016, 04:19:21 PM
For what it's worth, there is value in buying a raffle ticket beyond the hunt itself.  For me, dreaming/thinking/planning/scheming about these hunts is almost as much fun as doing it.  Well, maybe not almost, but it still is pretty fun.  At any rate, application season is a fun time for me...basically it starts in December with the limited draw sheep units in Alaska and ends late in the summer after all the draw results have been posted.  And every time I buy one of those stupid tickets or put in the application, I'm buying a little hope.  Deep down, I know I probably won't draw a super-premium tag this year, but it's still fun to dream! Let the snarky comments begin!
  Agree 100%.

 :yeah:
Add me
yup, add me to that list!!

Yup  :yeah:   :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Matth on June 21, 2016, 07:41:49 AM
I am about to flood the moose raffle market. probably a mistake but i have never been all that sharp :sry:
Define flood?


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Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 05, 2016, 08:04:02 PM
For what it's worth, there is value in buying a raffle ticket beyond the hunt itself.  For me, dreaming/thinking/planning/scheming about these hunts is almost as much fun as doing it.  Well, maybe not almost, but it still is pretty fun.  At any rate, application season is a fun time for me...basically it starts in December with the limited draw sheep units in Alaska and ends late in the summer after all the draw results have been posted.  And every time I buy one of those stupid tickets or put in the application, I'm buying a little hope.  Deep down, I know I probably won't draw a super-premium tag this year, but it's still fun to dream! Let the snarky comments begin!
  Agree 100%.

 :yeah:
Add me
yup, add me to that list!!

Yup  :yeah:   :tup:
x3. I didn't mean to flood the draw with my two goat tickets. The lady at the hardware store screwed up and sold them to me by accident. Moose is my investment this year. 9 days left. Good luck to all
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 06, 2016, 08:05:55 AM
I'll be adding to the flood of goat, and muley raffles. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 06, 2016, 05:14:11 PM
I'll be adding to the flood of goat, and muley raffles. :chuckle:

With all the tickets I bought in goat, and muley I hope I don't get drawn for both.  :hunt2:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 06, 2016, 06:22:29 PM
I'll be adding to the flood of goat, and muley raffles. :chuckle:

With all the tickets I bought in goat, and muley I hope I don't get drawn for both.  :hunt2:
hahaha. Yep that would be way to much to handle. :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: grundy53 on July 07, 2016, 03:58:23 PM
Well, I just wanted to give you guys a heads up. I just flooded the blacktail raffle (10 tickets :chuckle: ) the mule deer raffle (10 tickets :chuckle: ) and the north central raffle (1 ticket :chuckle: ). So I wouldn't even bother buying into those raffles if I were you...

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Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 07, 2016, 04:01:44 PM
I'll be adding to the flood of goat, and muley raffles. :chuckle:

With all the tickets I bought in goat, and muley I hope I don't get drawn for both.  :hunt2:
hahaha. Yep that would be way to much to handle. :tup:

The goat would be easy it's in my backyard, muley would require some driving if the pass closed to early. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Ghost Hunter on July 15, 2016, 03:00:41 PM
First timer.  I'm in for a minor smorgisboard
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on July 15, 2016, 03:07:27 PM
All in...
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Miles on July 15, 2016, 03:49:13 PM
Hope it works for you.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on July 15, 2016, 04:07:54 PM
Thanks...me too! All appendages are crossed. 😉
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JoeE on July 15, 2016, 05:45:09 PM
I bought two goat tickets yesterday, 1 sheep, 4 NE big game, 4 moose, 1 north central. Just wanted to go from 0% to .00001% chance.

Needless to say, I'm planning for all these hunts right now.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 15, 2016, 07:33:41 PM
I bought two goat tickets yesterday, 1 sheep, 4 NE big game, 4 moose, 1 north central. Just wanted to go from 0% to .00001% chance.

Needless to say, I'm planning for all these hunts right now.
Kind of what I did.  I could only get elk, but low odds are more fun than no odds.  Now I just need the lucky lightning bolt to strike.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: cem3434 on July 15, 2016, 07:57:42 PM
Do they sell tickets until midnight tonight?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Buzz2401 on July 15, 2016, 08:08:22 PM
Well you have to buy them from a vendor so if you can find one open till midnight then probably.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 15, 2016, 08:08:40 PM
I think so.  Everything else that has a deadline seems to be good until midnight if I recall correctly.  Just need to have a store that is open that late--like wally world.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: cem3434 on July 15, 2016, 08:32:10 PM
Well I guess I need to make my annual trip to the local Walmart tonight when the wife gets home from the M's game.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: coachcw on July 15, 2016, 08:57:36 PM
Good luck bush ..... I left the goat for you. I'm sure some of the numbers bumped pretty good today...... I'm in soft  in a couple of them lol.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Cat hunter on July 15, 2016, 09:22:55 PM
Did my small part to flood the raffle, Good luck to all! Just the waiting left, hoping for that phone call with the 902 prefix!!!!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JoeE on July 15, 2016, 10:14:26 PM
Coach what's "soft"? Lol
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 15, 2016, 10:16:18 PM
It's funny, when it comes to the raffle I'm rooting for the under dog, the guy who buys a couple.  But when it comes to special draws, I pull for the guys with lots of points!!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 15, 2016, 10:16:38 PM
Coach what's "soft"? Lol
5,000  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 15, 2016, 10:18:31 PM
Coach what's "soft"? Lol
5,000  :chuckle:
tickets or dollars?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: cem3434 on July 15, 2016, 11:46:24 PM
I just left Walmart and made my annual donation. Like others, I left the goat to you bush. Good luck to everyone in the raffle drawing.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Reidus on July 15, 2016, 11:58:38 PM
 
I just left Walmart and made my annual donation. Like others, I left the goat to you bush. Good luck to everyone in the raffle drawing.

 :yeah: 

Just did the same!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 16, 2016, 07:59:17 AM
Good luck bushcraft! Not much competition from me in the goat category. My interest lay else where this year. :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 16, 2016, 08:09:56 AM
Good luck bush ..... I left the goat for you. I'm sure some of the numbers bumped pretty good today...... I'm in soft  in a couple of them lol.
so being a raffle winner Corey, when do they actually notify the winners? Is it the actual middle of August or sooner? Seems to me it shouldn't take as long as the regular draw. Not quite as much involved. :dunno:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Ghost Hunter on July 16, 2016, 09:17:30 AM
No goat for me.  Just figured out I bought 13 tickets total. :yike:  Does that affect my luck?  :dunno: Two of the are the NE BG with the best odds.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bango skank on July 16, 2016, 09:41:46 AM
So winners will be notified by mail and phone by mid august.  It also says two alternates will be selected.  For the sake of argument lets say im drawn.  If im out of phone coverage area for a few weeks and they call me and get no response, how long until i miss my chance and my tag is given to an alternate?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Reidus on July 16, 2016, 04:09:29 PM
So winners will be notified by mail and phone by mid august.  It also says two alternates will be selected.  For the sake of argument lets say im drawn.  If im out of phone coverage area for a few weeks and they call me and get no response, how long until i miss my chance and my tag is given to an alternate?

Two weeks i think. Not completely  sure. I was third for se elk last year :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JoeE on July 16, 2016, 04:43:42 PM
So winners will be notified by mail and phone by mid august.  It also says two alternates will be selected.  For the sake of argument lets say im drawn.  If im out of phone coverage area for a few weeks and they call me and get no response, how long until i miss my chance and my tag is given to an alternate?

How many tickets did you buy Bango?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bango skank on July 16, 2016, 04:54:12 PM
Not a ton, but enough that my odds are half decent
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: coachcw on July 17, 2016, 07:16:45 PM
It was the first week of august  I believe. I only bought a few about fifty  total tickets in two catigorys. And I bought ten north central just because of that sheep tag . But I did buy them the same time from the lucky store . Wsu takes priority  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on July 18, 2016, 11:00:55 AM
Thanks for the well wishes everyone.  It's a waiting game now.  Good luck to everyone in the raffle draws!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: boneaddict on July 18, 2016, 11:26:46 AM
Your odds are a little better than they could have been. Lol.  I stayed out of it.   Good luck Bush.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Ridgerunner on July 18, 2016, 11:39:17 AM
Some serious cash hit some categories late, good luck with the raffle, hopefully some people on here pull some tags, I'm not holding my breath for mine though, lol. 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bango skank on July 18, 2016, 11:53:09 AM
Some serious cash hit some categories late, good luck with the raffle, hopefully some people on here pull some tags, I'm not holding my breath for mine though, lol.

Damn, youre not joking!  Ne bug game ticket sales basically doubled the last day, and looks like moose got hit hard too.   :bash:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on July 18, 2016, 12:01:04 PM
Your odds are a little better than they could have been. Lol.  I stayed out of it.   Good luck Bush.

Thanks Bone!

There were some sizable last minute jumps in a few of the raffles.

Besides the ones I added on Friday before hitting the trailhead (and I'm glad I did!) it looks like 284 additional goat tickets were bought between Thursday morning and the Friday deadline.  I'm sitting at a shade over 65% right now.  Less than what I was initially hoping for, but it's better than a coin toss I suppose.  ;)

Fingers crossed...back to work.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Ridgerunner on July 18, 2016, 12:12:06 PM
I'm pulling for you, way to go all in on the hunt you've been dreaming of.  Hope you get it.  No competition from me in that category.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 18, 2016, 12:20:16 PM
Ok, I'm not the smartest guy so bear with me, so if you have over 60% chance I'm guessing you bought over 60% of the tickets? 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on July 18, 2016, 12:22:32 PM
That is some serious coin and quite the gamble.  I hope it works out for you.  Looking at past results I am sure you are a little nervous.

Best of luck man. :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on July 18, 2016, 12:37:54 PM
I'm pulling for you, way to go all in on the hunt you've been dreaming of.  Hope you get it.  No competition from me in that category.


That is some serious coin and quite the gamble.  I hope it works out for you.  Looking at past results I am sure you are a little nervous.

Best of luck man. :tup:

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: coachcw on July 18, 2016, 07:25:24 PM
And remember it's a good cause !
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on July 19, 2016, 11:36:25 AM
A good cause that saw a drastic increase in sales over last year.  I don't know if that is due to more expendable income this year, if this thread caused the increase in sales or if sales were normal and only bumped by Bushcraft's early dump of money into the mix.  Whatever the reason in the end someone is going to get a great hunt and the money generated will hopefully go to good use.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: blacktailer on July 19, 2016, 08:45:21 PM
Word on the street is that the winner has been notified.  Can't confirm it, but that is the "word"
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: whacker1 on July 20, 2016, 08:42:56 AM
That was quick, I expected another week or two of anticipation
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on July 20, 2016, 08:45:23 AM
That was quick, I expected another week or two of anticipation
:yeah:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on July 20, 2016, 08:57:38 AM
I don't think the street word is accurate.







Mostly because no one has called me yet  :hello:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 20, 2016, 08:59:03 AM
Word on the street is that the winner has been notified.  Can't confirm it, but that is the "word"
The Wild Sheep Foundation drawing for the Rocky Mountain Big Horn Sheep was July 15.
But still no way to check numbers for the other tags for 2016.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on July 20, 2016, 08:59:54 AM
Word on the street is that the winner has been notified.  Can't confirm it, but that is the "word"
The Wild Sheep Foundation drawing for the Rocky Mountain Big Horn Sheep was July 15.
But still no way to check numbers for the other tags for 2016.
I have friends who know a couple folks who pulled raffle tags this year. They were called.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 20, 2016, 09:04:22 AM
Seriously??!!  That was quick, your talking about the raffle Wdfw draws or the sheep draw??
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: blacktailer on July 20, 2016, 09:06:54 AM
I don't think the street word is accurate.


Oh, it's accurate alright







Mostly because no one has called me yet  :hello:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 20, 2016, 09:12:44 AM
Seriously??!!  That was quick, your talking about the raffle Wdfw draws or the sheep draw??
:yeah:  So, why can't they run the special permits that quickly?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on July 20, 2016, 09:14:13 AM
Seriously??!!  That was quick, your talking about the raffle Wdfw draws or the sheep draw??

WDFW raffles
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Tbar on July 20, 2016, 09:15:52 AM
Bushcraft- did you get the tag?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on July 20, 2016, 09:23:22 AM
For the first time ever in the history of WDFW, they've actually done something efficiently.

Unfortunately, I'm not one of the lucky guys that's going to get a call this year.  Heck, I didn't even get a second place slot.

Fortunately,  I've got an amazing wife, great health, incredible friends, an awesome yellow lab and a thriving financial planning and investment management business with some great clients…and a few other successful draws to focus on this hunting season.

Life is good...Congrats to everyone that stepped into the arena and took a chance!

Best regards,

Allen
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on July 20, 2016, 09:28:41 AM
For the first time ever in the history of WDFW, they've actually done something efficiently.

Unfortunately, I'm not one of the lucky guys that's going to get a call this year.  Heck, I didn't even get a second place slot.

Fortunately,  I've got an amazing wife, great health, incredible friends, an awesome yellow lab and a thriving financial planning and investment management business with some great clients…and a few other successful draws to focus on this hunting season.

Life is good...Congrats to everyone that stepped into the arena and took a chance!

Best regards,

Allen


Sorry, man. That's got to be rough. Way to have a positive outlook.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: whacker1 on July 20, 2016, 09:32:33 AM
For the first time ever in the history of WDFW, they've actually done something efficiently.

Unfortunately, I'm not one of the lucky guys that's going to get a call this year.  Heck, I didn't even get a second place slot.

Fortunately,  I've got an amazing wife, great health, incredible friends, an awesome yellow lab and a thriving financial planning and investment management business with some great clients…and a few other successful draws to focus on this hunting season.

Life is good...Congrats to everyone that stepped into the arena and took a chance!

Best regards,

Allen

That is a fantastic response....thumbs up on the positive outlook. Will you be going to Canada?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bango skank on July 20, 2016, 09:33:20 AM
I didnt get called.  Clearly there has been a screw up again
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 20, 2016, 09:34:46 AM
Great positive attitude! 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on July 20, 2016, 09:37:25 AM
I missed a call yesterday from Point Pleasant Beach, New Jersey.


I bet that was it!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on July 20, 2016, 09:41:02 AM
 :sry: but great attitude.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JoeE on July 20, 2016, 09:57:49 AM
I didn't get the call either. That's $12 I'll never see again..
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 20, 2016, 10:29:05 AM
Results aren't showing on the website. Do you know someone who recieved a call?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Ridgerunner on July 20, 2016, 10:59:20 AM
Bummer bushcraft.  Great outlook though, I struck out as well which isn't a surprise but I was hoping for a call.


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Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 20, 2016, 11:02:58 AM
Bummer bushcraft.  Great outlook though, I struck out as well which isn't a surprise but I was hoping for a call.


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done deal? Still see no results any where
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Mark Brenckle on July 20, 2016, 11:07:27 AM
Results aren't showing on the website. Do you know someone who recieved a call?
  I'm not seeing any for 2016 yet, do you have a link?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 20, 2016, 11:16:43 AM
I called the draw was done but there person to talk to was in a meeting.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: WAPatriot on July 20, 2016, 11:25:21 AM
My phone was dead all day yesterday I'm still praying.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 20, 2016, 11:29:23 AM
I called the draw was done but there person to talk to was in a meeting.
probably a meeting about what kind of advice was allowed to be given to raffle tag holders.   :yike:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 20, 2016, 12:00:02 PM
So I call W DFW about the raffle draw he takes my wild wild ID number and has me hold on for second. He comes back and asks if my phone number matches what he had and I said yes, he says you will be getting a phone call but they are pretty busy right now.! Im about to have a heart attack thinking I am getting a phone call, then he says, I'm sorry, IF you drew you will getting a phone call!  Damn, I was so close! 😳.    Anyway, he said they are still making calls, so we still have a chance!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Ghost Hunter on July 20, 2016, 12:42:53 PM
Dang I'm stuck at dealership for next few hours.  Don't know if they have me cell #  I need to get home.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Dhoey07 on July 20, 2016, 12:51:13 PM
Is WDFW's area code 360?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on July 20, 2016, 12:55:45 PM
Is WDFW's area code 360?

Yes.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Miles on July 20, 2016, 01:00:01 PM
I called the draw was done but there person to talk to was in a meeting.
probably a meeting about what kind of advice was allowed to be given to raffle tag holders.   :yike:

Lol
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on July 20, 2016, 01:29:24 PM
Is WDFW's area code 360?
Chicken bone, chicken bone, lucky lucky chicken bone.  Hope they call you back and don't just move on to the alternate.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: crowinghen on July 20, 2016, 01:48:49 PM
Is WDFW's area code 360?
Chicken bone, chicken bone, lucky lucky chicken bone.  Hope they call you back and don't just move on to the alternate.

They would leave a message if you have a machine.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 20, 2016, 03:35:44 PM
Winners have 15 days to respond and then they move to the alternate. They will be done notifying by tomorrow.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on July 20, 2016, 04:06:54 PM
Guess who just got a phone call ??????

 :hello:




Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on July 20, 2016, 04:07:39 PM
Guess who just got a phone call ??????

 :hello:






Someone other than me.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: carlyoungs on July 20, 2016, 04:11:56 PM
I got 2 weird numbers today and got my hopes up. No wdfw call yet
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 20, 2016, 04:21:33 PM
Guess who just got a phone call ??????

 :hello:
you know there are no secrets here on Huntwa!!!!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: actionshooter on July 20, 2016, 06:04:04 PM
Guess who just got a phone call ??????

 :hello:






come on man......spit it out!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: MtnMuley on July 20, 2016, 08:52:56 PM
I bet we won't see a thread quite like this next year.  ;) I've still never bought a ticket.........
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bango skank on July 21, 2016, 05:56:30 AM
Seems they forgot to call me
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 21, 2016, 06:04:27 AM
Gringo posted on another thread, he bought 1 ticket and was drawn for a sheep tag!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: boneaddict on July 21, 2016, 08:02:05 AM
Well, was this investment worth it?  Goat tag in hand?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on July 21, 2016, 08:06:34 AM
 :yeah:
I know you replied already saying all the things you were still thankful for, but my question is was it worth the money?  What would you do different next time or would you do it the same?  I have never bought one raffle ticket let alone hundreds.  Just wondering now that you have been through the whole process what you are thinking for the next time or if there will be a next time.  Do you spend the money on an out of state hunt instead?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on July 21, 2016, 09:19:26 AM
:yeah:
I know you replied already saying all the things you were still thankful for, but my question is was it worth the money?  What would you do different next time or would you do it the same?  I have never bought one raffle ticket let alone hundreds.  Just wondering now that you have been through the whole process what you are thinking for the next time or if there will be a next time.  Do you spend the money on an out of state hunt instead?

Let's just say it was part of a two or three year plan.  You can flip a coin only so many times before the side you are hoping for lands face up.  ;)
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on July 21, 2016, 09:34:30 AM
Looking forward to see how you play it in the future.  Good luck in however you choose to play the game in future raffles.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bushcraft on August 12, 2016, 08:08:43 PM
15066000431500

Nope.

 :(

Next year...  ;)
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: JoeE on August 14, 2016, 11:59:20 PM
I bought two goat tickets but came in #21. So close yet so far away!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on August 15, 2016, 08:32:17 AM
15066000431500

Nope.

 :(

Next year...  ;)
5 of the top ten is pretty good.

That was a ton of tickets, better luck next year.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Dhoey07 on August 15, 2016, 03:17:59 PM
Closest I got was 647th  :o
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Miles on July 12, 2017, 06:39:40 AM
:yeah:
I know you replied already saying all the things you were still thankful for, but my question is was it worth the money?  What would you do different next time or would you do it the same?  I have never bought one raffle ticket let alone hundreds.  Just wondering now that you have been through the whole process what you are thinking for the next time or if there will be a next time.  Do you spend the money on an out of state hunt instead?

Let's just say it was part of a two or three year plan.  You can flip a coin only so many times before the side you are hoping for lands face up.  ;)

Only 815 tags sold as of July 10th.... Is someone waiting till the last second to buy in?   
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 12, 2017, 06:52:10 AM
I bought two at the beginning. I'm waiting until the last day to make my big move and buy another. I figure it'll be a sure thing!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Miles on July 12, 2017, 06:55:34 AM
I bought two at the beginning. I'm waiting until the last day to make my big move and buy another. I figure it'll be a sure thing!

 :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: snowshoes22 on July 12, 2017, 07:50:55 AM
When is the deadline?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Miles on July 12, 2017, 07:52:55 AM
When is the deadline?

July 14th.

Right now $4,890 would give you a 50% shot at drawing. :dunno:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Miles on July 12, 2017, 08:09:54 AM
If I was going to "flood" one this year I think I'd have to go with moose.  (2) tags available and around 2,500 tags sold at $6/ea.   

After experiencing two Maine moose hunts that only give you a 6 day season, I'd LOVE to have  Sep. 1 - Dec. 31 season dates.  That long of a season sure would take some pressure off.


On second thought, the NE big game only sold 520 @ $17.00 each and that includes a moose tag.   So for $8,840 you could have a 50% chance.  Not to bad, plus you get long seasons on two other species.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RaffleMule on July 12, 2017, 08:20:33 AM
When is the deadline?

July 14th.

Right now $4,890 would give you a 50% shot at drawing. :dunno:


 :dunno:   If you wanted a 50% chance to draw you need 2500 tickets at $6 a piece.   Only 15k   :chuckle:     
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Bob33 on July 12, 2017, 08:25:10 AM
When is the deadline?

July 14th.

Right now $4,890 would give you a 50% shot at drawing. :dunno:
So $9,780 gives me a 100% chance! :IBCOOL:

(modern math)
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Miles on July 12, 2017, 08:25:18 AM
When is the deadline?

July 14th.

Right now $4,890 would give you a 50% shot at drawing. :dunno:

 :dunno:   If you wanted a 50% chance to draw you need 2500 tickets at $6 a piece.   Only 15k   :chuckle:     


Goat tag.... 

815 tickets @ $6/ea = $4,890


You were thinking moose...?   Also, that's (2) tags and around 2,500 tickets sold.  You would not need to purchase 2,500 for a 50% chance.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Miles on July 12, 2017, 08:25:47 AM
When is the deadline?

July 14th.

Right now $4,890 would give you a 50% shot at drawing. :dunno:
So $9,780 gives me a 100% chance! :IBCOOL:
(modern math)

No.   You should try it though. ;)
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Miles on July 12, 2017, 08:30:24 AM
.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RaffleMule on July 12, 2017, 08:30:50 AM
When is the deadline?

July 14th.

Right now $4,890 would give you a 50% shot at drawing. :dunno:

 :dunno:   If you wanted a 50% chance to draw you need 2500 tickets at $6 a piece.   Only 15k   :chuckle:     


Goat tag.... 

815 tickets @ $6/ea = $4,890


You were thinking moose...?   Also, that's (2) tags and around 2,500 tickets sold.  You would not need to purchase 2,500 for a 50% chance.

You are right.   Thought you were talking moose.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Miles on July 12, 2017, 08:33:48 AM
@rafflemule

You're banned from the raffles anyway, right? :chuckle:    I seem to remember HW taking a vote when you were away and it was determined for the sake of others that you are required to sit out. ;)


I did get all excited and start talking about moose, so I can see where the confusion came in. :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: RaffleMule on July 12, 2017, 08:58:02 AM
@rafflemule

You're banned from the raffles anyway, right? :chuckle:    I seem to remember HW taking a vote when you were away and it was determined for the sake of others that you are required to sit out. ;)


I did get all excited and start talking about moose, so I can see where the confusion came in. :tup:

I did sit out last year because I have the trifecta taken care of in WA.    :chuckle:    But, after going about 0-45 this year in draws I have the itch to buy a few tickets before Friday.     :sry:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Miles on July 12, 2017, 09:02:05 AM
@rafflemule

You're banned from the raffles anyway, right? :chuckle:    I seem to remember HW taking a vote when you were away and it was determined for the sake of others that you are required to sit out. ;)


I did get all excited and start talking about moose, so I can see where the confusion came in. :tup:

I did sit out last year because I have the trifecta taken care of in WA.    :chuckle:    But, after going about 0-45 this year in draws I have the itch to buy a few tickets before Friday.     :sry:

In all seriousness, good luck!   Can you imagine pulling another one? 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 12, 2017, 09:32:53 AM
I have to honest here and say I'm not rooting for rafflemule to draw, spread the luck to those not so lucky.   :chuckle:  I'm also rooting for the guys/gals who purchase just a handful of permits, love it when someone draws w one or two purchased. 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: merkaba93 on July 12, 2017, 07:21:53 PM
I was wondering how many people had noticed the # of Goat tags sold.
This was going to be my year too. I'm young (ish), money to burn, no spouse to tell me no. I usually get 100 tickets a year. Was gonna really up my game this year.
Then life throws you a curve ball and I end up buying a new house. Haven't even closed yet. UGH!!!No way I can throw down serious cash now.
I want to see what Mnt Goat tastes like! And I love backpacking in those areas.
I just wanted to share my sob story.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: tracksoup on July 12, 2017, 08:13:46 PM
I was wondering how many people had noticed the # of Goat tags sold.
This was going to be my year too. I'm young (ish), money to burn, no spouse to tell me no. I usually get 100 tickets a year. Was gonna really up my game this year.
Then life throws you a curve ball and I end up buying a new house. Haven't even closed yet. UGH!!!No way I can throw down serious cash now.
I want to see what Mnt Goat tastes like! And I love backpacking in those areas.
I just wanted to share my sob story.
Ive seen the food on here you cook. If I draw a goat tag I would be honored to let you cook it up for me for a share of the meat!!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 12, 2017, 08:25:47 PM
@rafflemule

You're banned from the raffles anyway, right? :chuckle:    I seem to remember HW taking a vote when you were away and it was determined for the sake of others that you are required to sit out. ;)


I did get all excited and start talking about moose, so I can see where the confusion came in. :tup:

I did sit out last year because I have the trifecta taken care of in WA.    :chuckle:    But, after going about 0-45 this year in draws I have the itch to buy a few tickets before Friday.     :sry:
dang brad give everyone else a chance! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on July 12, 2017, 11:30:28 PM
I was wondering how many people had noticed the # of Goat tags sold.
This was going to be my year too. I'm young (ish), money to burn, no spouse to tell me no. I usually get 100 tickets a year. Was gonna really up my game this year.
Then life throws you a curve ball and I end up buying a new house. Haven't even closed yet. UGH!!!No way I can throw down serious cash now.
I want to see what Mnt Goat tastes like! And I love backpacking in those areas.
I just wanted to share my sob story.

I'll see if I can work out a way for you to see what mountain goat tastes like if you cook some for me too. It won't be the same as your own goat, but we can make it happen.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Miles on July 13, 2017, 06:56:54 AM
I was wondering how many people had noticed the # of Goat tags sold.
This was going to be my year too. I'm young (ish), money to burn, no spouse to tell me no. I usually get 100 tickets a year. Was gonna really up my game this year.
Then life throws you a curve ball and I end up buying a new house. Haven't even closed yet. UGH!!!No way I can throw down serious cash now.
I want to see what Mnt Goat tastes like! And I love backpacking in those areas.
I just wanted to share my sob story.

I'll see if I can work out a way for you to see what mountain goat tastes like if you cook some for me too. It won't be the same as your own goat, but we can make it happen.

 :tup:   Can't wait to see the write up and pictures of the hunt!  Enjoy it, those "big" hunts seem to go by way too fast.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: merkaba93 on July 13, 2017, 12:53:44 PM
I was wondering how many people had noticed the # of Goat tags sold.
This was going to be my year too. I'm young (ish), money to burn, no spouse to tell me no. I usually get 100 tickets a year. Was gonna really up my game this year.
Then life throws you a curve ball and I end up buying a new house. Haven't even closed yet. UGH!!!No way I can throw down serious cash now.
I want to see what Mnt Goat tastes like! And I love backpacking in those areas.
I just wanted to share my sob story.
Ive seen the food on here you cook. If I draw a goat tag I would be honored to let you cook it up for me for a share of the meat!!

I'd probably take you up on it.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: merkaba93 on July 13, 2017, 12:58:14 PM
I was wondering how many people had noticed the # of Goat tags sold.
This was going to be my year too. I'm young (ish), money to burn, no spouse to tell me no. I usually get 100 tickets a year. Was gonna really up my game this year.
Then life throws you a curve ball and I end up buying a new house. Haven't even closed yet. UGH!!!No way I can throw down serious cash now.
I want to see what Mnt Goat tastes like! And I love backpacking in those areas.
I just wanted to share my sob story.

I'll see if I can work out a way for you to see what mountain goat tastes like if you cook some for me too. It won't be the same as your own goat, but we can make it happen.

That would be cool. I'm a firm believer that not all meats need to taste like beef or chicken. So even if it's "gamey" "funky" it just needs the right treatment. Cooking for people is always fun.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on July 13, 2017, 01:11:26 PM
I was wondering how many people had noticed the # of Goat tags sold.
This was going to be my year too. I'm young (ish), money to burn, no spouse to tell me no. I usually get 100 tickets a year. Was gonna really up my game this year.
Then life throws you a curve ball and I end up buying a new house. Haven't even closed yet. UGH!!!No way I can throw down serious cash now.
I want to see what Mnt Goat tastes like! And I love backpacking in those areas.
I just wanted to share my sob story.

I'll see if I can work out a way for you to see what mountain goat tastes like if you cook some for me too. It won't be the same as your own goat, but we can make it happen.

That would be cool. I'm a firm believer that not all meats need to taste like beef or chicken. So even if it's "gamey" "funky" it just needs the right treatment. Cooking for people is always fun.

We'll hopefully find out come early October!!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on July 13, 2017, 02:15:31 PM
A 400 ticket bump in the last couple days...
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 13, 2017, 02:38:15 PM
I'm leaving mine at 2. I'm going to win this sucker.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on July 13, 2017, 02:42:37 PM
Waste of money Pman!

You bought twice as many as needed  :tup:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 14, 2017, 06:39:36 AM
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 14, 2017, 11:51:10 AM
Aren't the goat raffle tickets cheaper then the ram tickets? So really by buying 2 he just matched you, thus giving him the same chance as you? :dunno: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 14, 2017, 11:57:40 AM
Oh yeah, baby. This is all over but getting the tag in the mail!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Rainier10 on July 14, 2017, 12:01:47 PM
Aren't the goat raffle tickets cheaper then the ram tickets? So really by buying 2 he just matched you, thus giving him the same chance as you? :dunno: :chuckle:
Pretty sure Gringo bought and won last year with one ticket.  I don't think that ticket is valid again this year so unless he bought a ticket this year he technically has no chance of winning putting Pman way out in front as far as odds of drawing.

Oh yeah, baby. This is all over but getting the tag in the mail!  :chuckle:
So pretty much  :yeah:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Luckyone on July 14, 2017, 10:44:44 PM
Here's hoping lightning strikes twice!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on July 17, 2017, 07:03:22 PM
Well got my 150 tickets for Goat so will see what happens. Wont say how many on Sheep.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: GurrCentral on July 18, 2017, 09:07:32 PM
When are the results typically posted?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on July 19, 2017, 09:32:14 AM
Last year I got a phone call on July 20th....in the afternoon  :)
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Timberstalker on July 19, 2017, 09:48:31 AM
Last year I got a phone call on July 20th....in the afternoon  :)

And I bet you remember exactly where you were!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Gringo31 on July 19, 2017, 09:54:37 AM
I do!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: WAcoueshunter on July 20, 2017, 11:21:24 AM
Raffles have been run, can check your tickets on the wdfw website. Anyone get lucky?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: snowshoes22 on July 20, 2017, 11:52:45 AM
Not selected. But my rank was 5 whatever that means
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 20, 2017, 12:03:41 PM
"No results returned from search"
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 20, 2017, 12:05:44 PM
Not selected. But my rank was 5 whatever that means
means you were really close!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 20, 2017, 12:06:32 PM
I drew the mule deer!!!
nice, congrats!!  I hope you only bought 1 ticket!!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 20, 2017, 12:07:49 PM
Question - and I'm a newbie here.... How do you find your raffle ticket number??

Curtis
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 20, 2017, 12:14:57 PM
I'm getting skeptical here... I only see 2016 raffle lookup available...  :bash:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 20, 2017, 12:16:08 PM
Question - and I'm a newbie here.... How do you find your raffle ticket number??

Curtis
I just was lucky and still had my print out in my wallet.  You might have to call
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 20, 2017, 12:19:05 PM
How did you check the results?  I'm only seeing 2016 results posted
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 20, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
There's a yellow bar on the login page where you can enter one of your raffle numbers and it'll show all results.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 20, 2017, 12:56:06 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Dry creek on July 20, 2017, 12:57:03 PM
How's all the winners. No draw here :bash:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 20, 2017, 01:25:32 PM
Neither my two goat nor the one moose were successful. It's hard to believe, I know.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 20, 2017, 01:46:28 PM
It's the 2016 results not 17
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 20, 2017, 01:52:15 PM
It's the 2016 results not 17

No, it's 2017. Select the yellow bar on the login page and have a ticket number handy.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 20, 2017, 02:02:11 PM
Someone got lucky:

1   Raffle Ticket SHP CALIF   13883   Selected
1   Raffle Ticket South Central WA   15800   Selected
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 20, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
P-man, I thought for sure the 1000 tickets you bought would've been a lock. :sry:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 20, 2017, 02:12:21 PM
2 goat tickets and one Moose. That's it. $600 today for the better half's meds and $533 yesterday for a brake job. Not a lot of wiggle room for gambling lately.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: jackelope on July 20, 2017, 05:24:05 PM
Someone got lucky:

1   Raffle Ticket SHP CALIF   13883   Selected
1   Raffle Ticket South Central WA   15800   Selected

They bought 7388 raffle tickets.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 20, 2017, 07:26:07 PM
Someone got lucky:

1   Raffle Ticket SHP CALIF   13883   Selected
1   Raffle Ticket South Central WA   15800   Selected

They bought 7388 raffle tickets.
i think someone wanted to hunt sheep pretty bad
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Tbar on July 20, 2017, 07:30:27 PM
Someone got lucky:

1   Raffle Ticket SHP CALIF   13883   Selected
1   Raffle Ticket South Central WA   15800   Selected
:tup:
Add that to the elk tag and it adds up to a great contribution to conservation! Did bushcraft draw?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: rtspring on July 20, 2017, 07:34:29 PM
DO NOT believe everything you read on hunt-wa or fb.  Its not true. 

Congrats to the tag holder who won!!!  He deserves it!!!
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: bobcat on July 20, 2017, 07:49:43 PM
Someone got lucky:

1   Raffle Ticket SHP CALIF   13883   Selected
1   Raffle Ticket South Central WA   15800   Selected

They bought 7388 raffle tickets.

What I see is that 7,388 was the total number of tickets sold. (for sheep)
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Reidus on July 20, 2017, 08:01:41 PM
probably cheaper than buying the auction tag.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Ghost Hunter on July 20, 2017, 10:15:12 PM
Well it's official.  I'm all in for hunting the general season..... :dunno:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 21, 2017, 06:20:05 AM
I won't be buying any more raffle tickets. I get that $90K is a big contribution to the WDFW. But the money will all go to paying ranchers for dead calves and wolf collars. None of it will be used for habitat improvements. They won't miss my $18.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Tbar on July 21, 2017, 06:48:52 AM
I won't be buying any more raffle tickets. I get that $90K is a big contribution to the WDFW. But the money will all go to paying ranchers for dead calves and wolf collars. None of it will be used for habitat improvements. They won't miss my $18.
It is a big deal, your  $18 matters, it is all relative.  These are a defacto auction and the SALE of the "states" animals that they are supposed to be managing for the people.  It's a huge deviation from the North American model of wildlife conservation and  it is wrong!  It is also trending in a very very bad way in Wa (as is our odds weren't bad enough). I don't hate on the players (hunters), I don't like the game though.  @Rosscrazyelk raised some very valid concerns and wasn't met with a bunch of support. There are other *funding mechanisms* out there that will fall closer in line with the model.  A bunch of animals were auctioned off by the king you the highest bidder both in the raffle and the auction and  those bidders will have expanded opportunities next year, as they have nearly every year in the last decade. 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 21, 2017, 07:02:08 AM
P-man, I thought for sure the 1000 tickets you bought would've been a lock. :sry:

Yeah, right. I know you saw me face-to-face. So, I may look stupid, but... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 21, 2017, 07:23:37 AM
DO NOT believe everything you read on hunt-wa or fb.  Its not true. 

Congrats to the tag holder who won!!!  He deserves it!!!
Did Coach get it?????
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: rtspring on July 21, 2017, 07:26:43 AM
DO NOT believe everything you read on hunt-wa or fb.  Its not true. 

Congrats to the tag holder who won!!!  He deserves it!!!
Did Coach get it?????

Nope
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Tbar on July 21, 2017, 07:32:42 AM
DO NOT believe everything you read on hunt-wa or fb.  Its not true. 

Congrats to the tag holder who won!!!  He deserves it!!!
Did Coach get it?????

Nope
Hoyt pro staffer? Current holder of many great Washington sheep?
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 21, 2017, 07:40:13 AM
DO NOT believe everything you read on hunt-wa or fb.  Its not true. 

Congrats to the tag holder who won!!!  He deserves it!!!

I don't hold any ill will towards someone who puts $90K into the WDFW's coffers.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 21, 2017, 07:45:31 AM
If I had that kind of extra cash I'd buy the tag as well.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: rtspring on July 21, 2017, 07:46:33 AM
You know how these things work, if the tag holder wants to share on here thats his choice not mine.   I do know that he deserves it and put a ton of money into WDFW. 

People get tired of the BS on here and choose not to share.  It is what it is.   
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 21, 2017, 07:47:30 AM
The funny thing is, they still aren't buying the tag.  It's still an open raffle. 
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 21, 2017, 07:48:31 AM
You know how these things work, if the tag holder wants to share on here thats his choice not mine.   I do know that he deserves it and put a ton of money into WDFW. 

People get tired of the BS on here and choose not to share.  It is what it is.
ah ha!!  It was Plat!!!!!        :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: rtspring on July 21, 2017, 07:49:47 AM
You know how these things work, if the tag holder wants to share on here thats his choice not mine.   I do know that he deserves it and put a ton of money into WDFW. 

People get tired of the BS on here and choose not to share.  It is what it is.
ah ha!!  It was Plat!!!!!        :chuckle:


Plat don't even carry tags!!!  Ha ha ha.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 21, 2017, 07:51:28 AM
You know how these things work, if the tag holder wants to share on here thats his choice not mine.   I do know that he deserves it and put a ton of money into WDFW. 

People get tired of the BS on here and choose not to share.  It is what it is.
ah ha!!  It was Plat!!!!!        :chuckle:


Plat don't even carry tags!!!  Ha ha ha.
I was waiting for him to say, I have the raffle tag every year!!   :yike: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: rtspring on July 21, 2017, 07:55:01 AM
You know how these things work, if the tag holder wants to share on here thats his choice not mine.   I do know that he deserves it and put a ton of money into WDFW. 

People get tired of the BS on here and choose not to share.  It is what it is.
ah ha!!  It was Plat!!!!!        :chuckle:


Plat don't even carry tags!!!  Ha ha ha.
I was waiting for him to say, I have the raffle tag every year!!   :yike: :chuckle:

He don't want to play cowboys and indians anymore!   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: shanevg on July 21, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
 :bash: :'(

I shouldn't have looked.  Just before I left for work this morning I remembered to jot down one of my raffle ticket numbers.  I was the 2nd goat ticket selected.  Maybe I'd be happier if I hadn't known.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 21, 2017, 11:18:10 AM
:bash: :'(

I shouldn't have looked.  Just before I left for work this morning I remembered to jot down one of my raffle ticket numbers.  I was the 2nd goat ticket selected.  Maybe I'd be happier if I hadn't known.   :chuckle:

Well you still have a chance if they decide not to hunt or something comes up. However since it looks like the winner bought 100 tickets they are probably going to use the tag. I keep hoping one of these days one of these states will hook you up with a tag and we can have a killer goat thread from ya.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: trophyhunt on July 21, 2017, 12:11:08 PM
:bash: :'(

I shouldn't have looked.  Just before I left for work this morning I remembered to jot down one of my raffle ticket numbers.  I was the 2nd goat ticket selected.  Maybe I'd be happier if I hadn't known.   :chuckle:
hey look at it this way, your the first alternate!!  Good luck
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Luckyone on July 21, 2017, 01:07:42 PM
Dang It! I was hoping to break " KC and the sunshine bands " heart again but no such luck.  I am once again relegated to hunting with you peasants and the common Folk...
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Falcon on July 21, 2017, 03:51:46 PM
:bash: :'(

I shouldn't have looked.  Just before I left for work this morning I remembered to jot down one of my raffle ticket numbers.  I was the 2nd goat ticket selected.  Maybe I'd be happier if I hadn't known.   :chuckle:

Ya.........that's a bit painful :yike:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 21, 2017, 05:07:24 PM
You know how these things work, if the tag holder wants to share on here thats his choice not mine.   I do know that he deserves it and put a ton of money into WDFW. 

People get tired of the BS on here and choose not to share.  It is what it is.
ah ha!!  It was Plat!!!!!        :chuckle:


Plat don't even carry tags!!!  Ha ha ha.
I was waiting for him to say, I have the raffle tag every year!!   :yike: :chuckle:

He don't want to play cowboys and indians anymore!   :chuckle:

I drew the WA. St. Super tag.  :tung:








 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: GUscottie on July 21, 2017, 05:13:17 PM
You know how these things work, if the tag holder wants to share on here thats his choice not mine.   I do know that he deserves it and put a ton of money into WDFW. 

People get tired of the BS on here and choose not to share.  It is what it is.
ah ha!!  It was Plat!!!!!        :chuckle:


Plat don't even carry tags!!!  Ha ha ha.
I was waiting for him to say, I have the raffle tag every year!!   :yike: :chuckle:

He don't want to play cowboys and indians anymore!   :chuckle:

I drew the WA. St. Super tag.  :tung:








 :chuckle:

Can I join? I just want some Pepperoni...the super, duper hot stuff
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: HoofsandWings on July 22, 2017, 04:17:56 PM
Did you see the sheep raffle and southwest raffle results?
Same guy drew both.
He did buy over 500 tickets for Southwest and several hundred for Calif Sheep.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: benhuntin on July 22, 2017, 05:27:29 PM
Did you see the sheep raffle and southwest raffle results?
Same guy drew both.
He did buy over 500 tickets for Southwest and several hundred for Calif Sheep.
I'm pretty sure he had 6200 somethin tickets


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Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Reidus on July 22, 2017, 07:44:20 PM
Did you see the sheep raffle and southwest raffle results?
Same guy drew both.
He did buy over 500 tickets for Southwest and several hundred for Calif Sheep.
I'm pretty sure he had 6200 somethin tickets


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cheaper than buying the auction tags I'd guess.  I'm pretty sure I know who it is.
Title: Re: Goat Tag Raffle - Flooded
Post by: Blacktail135 on August 05, 2017, 05:12:39 PM
 I bought 777 goat raffle tickets once and my highest rank was 7. Go figure.