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Title: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Stein on June 15, 2017, 07:51:13 AM
Well, time to start the threads.  I drew 1 of 110 available EF Peaches tags.  Post here if you want to share information or join in on the fun.  I intend to hit this one hard starting today.

I'm also planning on loading up on shrimp, crab and salmon to give away to some friendly and knowledgeable people.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: ctwiggs1 on June 15, 2017, 08:46:09 AM
Wow, congrats on a great tag Stein!
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: bearpaw on June 15, 2017, 08:48:47 AM
congrats and good luck  :tup:
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: CP on June 15, 2017, 09:00:36 AM
Congrats.  Wish I could help, but I know little about Peaches.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: rtspring on June 15, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
Stein.  Pm me, I may know of a place.  Ha ha
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: acrocker on June 15, 2017, 09:21:18 AM
I'm drew that one, too. Gonna have to burn some shoe leather this summer sicne I haven't been back into that area in years - been hunting the Blues. Looking forward to getting back there, it's some beautiful country. If anyone is willing to share a little wisdom it would certainly be appreciated, though!  ;)
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on June 15, 2017, 09:32:21 AM
CONGRATS !!! PM me info is FREE !!!
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: muledeer78 on June 15, 2017, 10:07:01 AM
Congrats!! I was lucky enough to draw the sept. 25-29 for peaches!
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Stein on June 15, 2017, 10:15:46 AM
Thanks everyone, I honestly though I had zero chance, so I'm behind the curve.  I'll be doing the normal shuffle:

1.  Buy maps - I know next to nothing about the area but am decent at desktop scouting to at least get it narrowed down to a few focus areas.
2.  Get in shape - off to good start, just walked a 30 mile fundraiser with 50#, need to add hills, but it won't be an issue
3.  Scouting - I don't know how many trips I can pull, but will be shooting for weekends
4.  Talk to other people, compare notes and take advantage of the great community here 

Fortunately, I'm set with gear, so all my energy and money will go into scouting trips  I might need to pick up a spotting scope, but we'll see if that is a need or a want after I get eyes on the ground.

I am also fortunate in the vacation department, so I can have 2-3 days pre opener and the entire season if necessary.

I'm super jacked, I never thought I would have a chance like this with only 7 points.  My biggest bull was a large 4x4 (should have been a 5x5 but he never grew the second points), so knowing what is at least possible has me pumped up.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Stein on June 15, 2017, 01:30:09 PM
Cross #1 off the list, I bought BLM and the Sheriff's office map plus printed the GMU map from WDFW.  I also have the GMU boundaries on Google Earth.  That should get me started at least.

336 looks mostly private and checkerboard (maybe, my other map shows a bunch of public?), so that will be easier to get a couple of scouting spots lined up.  346 looks almost endless, I'll have to put some time into that one.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: royalbull on June 15, 2017, 07:09:20 PM
Congrats!! I was lucky enough to draw the sept. 25-29 for peaches!




Sweet
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: yum tag soup on June 15, 2017, 07:16:04 PM
I just puked a little bit in my mouth with the 7 point thing but congrats and kill a monster!
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: bowhunterforever on June 15, 2017, 07:41:21 PM
Cross #1 off the list, I bought BLM and the Sheriff's office map plus printed the GMU map from WDFW.  I also have the GMU boundaries on Google Earth.  That should get me started at least.
How do you get gmu boundaries on google earth? Congrats drawing a tag :tup: Good luck
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Stein on June 15, 2017, 08:02:24 PM
Cross #1 off the list, I bought BLM and the Sheriff's office map plus printed the GMU map from WDFW.  I also have the GMU boundaries on Google Earth.  That should get me started at least.
How do you get gmu boundaries on google earth? Congrats drawing a tag :tup: Good luck

Scroll down to the 5th post and you'll find the file.  Totally easy.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=202757.0
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Stein on June 15, 2017, 08:04:21 PM
I just puked a little bit in my mouth with the 7 point thing but congrats and kill a monster!
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Yeah, I had such high hopes I didn't even remember what unit I put in for and had to go look it up.  I figured I would start paying attention when I got to double digit points.

This is only the second tag I have drawn, ever.  First was a completely lame cow hunt and now this.  My daughter is usually the lucky one, but I certainly had the lucky hand this year.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: bowhunterforever on June 15, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
Cross #1 off the list, I bought BLM and the Sheriff's office map plus printed the GMU map from WDFW.  I also have the GMU boundaries on Google Earth.  That should get me started at least.
How do you get gmu boundaries on google earth? Congrats drawing a tag :tup: Good luck

Scroll down to the 5th post and you'll find the file.  Totally easy.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=202757.0
thanks :tup:
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on June 16, 2017, 07:30:50 AM
PM me I can send you in the right direction !
Congrats on a great draw !!!
Think 320++ for your Bull.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Brena.Hunter on June 16, 2017, 06:24:52 PM
Congrats! My hunting partners and I also drew Peaches Any Bull, modern firearm. Two seperate parties and we were all drawn! And my cousins drew Goose Prairie. That's 8 Any Bull tags in camp! Could not be more pumped! Now to find where the monsters are hiding!
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Wingin it on June 16, 2017, 08:59:58 PM
7 points, ha! Congrats on a great tag! It's big country and you have a great chance at finding a monster.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: scudmaster on June 16, 2017, 09:22:27 PM
I was able to draw the Muzzy tag with 9 points.  Want to do a wilderness hunt.  If anyone had done this hunt, I would love to pick your brain.  Good luck to all, no matter what you drew.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Stein on June 16, 2017, 10:19:24 PM
Well, more help than I expected, thanks to all who replied.  I will get back to those that offered help, but I need to do some work myself so I at least know what questions to ask.

I'm using onXmaps for desk scouting and it wasn't too bad to slice and dice the two areas.  Man, there are a ton of trails around there and many are high traffic.  That makes things a bit easier even though there are not many truly remote areas.

At this point, I had considered several general logistical plans for the hunt.  It will likely be a solo hunt unless something changes.

1.  Base camp at either a campsite, town or public land in my wall tent with day trips into a scouted area.
2.  Mobile camp in the back of my truck.  This allows big moves mid-hunt easily and is the best way to cover the most area.
3.  Living out of the ruck, leaving the truck at the trailhead or wall tent.

I won't know for sure until I get several scouting trips in, but #3 is clearly in the lead.  My preference is 3, 1 then 2, but conditions will dictate.  I'm looking for an epic hunting experience.

One thing I haven't pondered in my relatively short hunting career is what I will be happy shooting?  In the past, if it was legal I shot it.  I did pass a couple of true dink antelope last year, but they were so small it wasn't much of a decision.  I don't want to get ahead of myself, but right now my thought is a simple mature 6x6 would be awesome. 

I'm equally excited about the camping/backpacking as I really don't get much of an excuse to do either of these with normal family and job responsibilities.  I did a ton of both growing up in Montana, but not so much since.  This gives me the perfect reason to block of 10 + days and really enjoy the experience.

My delusion of not needing gear is getting corrected, I remember that I need a better set of game bags and likely a spotting scope.  Checking ElkNut's site, it looks like I need to save $600 - $1,000 plus a tripod.  That's a big investment that I might not use much in the future, but we'll see how necessary it is during the scouting trips.

The good news is the unit is only a bit over 2 hours from my house, so I should have good opportunities this summer.

Finally, I have a good training plan starting to take shape.  I am into Goruck events and they are about perfect for getting me into hunting shape.  Seattle has a big event in September, a great peaking event that gives me just enough time to recover and then hit it hard.  I have one other event mid-July and then it will be ruck focused training with as many hills as I can come up with.

I'm basically using the David Goggins plan (check him out if you don't know who he is) - "I chose the path of most resistance - talent not required."  I'm not a great elk hunter, but I am willing and able to outwork most and love to learn.  I believe that will be enough to at least make a great experience.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 16, 2017, 10:25:40 PM
Epic = Base camp, and maybe invite a couple huntwa guys for the first couple days too or to scout the two days before the season.     Lotsa guys willing to help to piggyback on your adventure which is a good thing for all. 

I'll be helping buddies in the Goose.  Good Luck !
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 16, 2017, 10:31:26 PM
My buddy drew a couple years ago and the one scouting trip I went on there was minimal use for my spotting scope lots of timber but like I said only went once.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Reidus on June 16, 2017, 10:33:49 PM
I'd be thinking about how you're going to get a bull packed out. Especially if you're going solo. Easy to hike 5-10 miles in by yourself, but if you shoot something how are you going to ge it out?  Just something to keep in mind as you're scouting and hunting. 

I use 200 thread pillow cases from walmart for game bags. They're tough, hold plenty of meat and cost about $12 for 4.

Spotting scope is nice if you really want to inspect the horns but not really necessary for finding elk.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: scudmaster on June 17, 2017, 04:29:18 PM
@Stein, another idea is to try a tripod for your binos.  taking that movement out of them really reduces (not eliminate) the spotting scope.  Maybe easier on the budget if you have to choose. 
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Wingin it on June 17, 2017, 04:52:49 PM
I have a set of 12x50's and they are awesome on the tripod.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 17, 2017, 07:07:22 PM
I was able to draw the Muzzy tag with 9 points.  Want to do a wilderness hunt.  If anyone had done this hunt, I would love to pick your brain.  Good luck to all, no matter what you drew.
with that tag u don't need to go i to the wildernes to get a 330+ bull but a
good true wilderness hunt that u can get the meat out fast enough with out horses: start at cement basin.  u get there by east bound hw 410 about 10min after u reach the summit of Chinook Pass and start to descend on the left hand side you'll see a blue sign "bear Gap" take that left follow that road as far as you can and hike straight up the hill fastest way to get there is just a bust brush beeline straight up. then u will see cement basin on your GPS or map. head that way.  on the way and a few miles past it up will find lots of good places to hunt. some times u will be competing with the Outfitters and guides but from my experience I've had them treat me with respect. About 13 years ago who i think was Chinook Pass Outfitters was up there with a few clients and they were very nice and respectful even gave us a few pointers.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Brena.Hunter on June 18, 2017, 06:46:21 PM
Hey guys. I've been hunting the 346 since I was a kid, but for whatever reason have never headed over to Norse Peak. I guess you tend to stay in the areas you know. But this is my first time drawing an Any Bull tag in Peaches, so I am wondering what people's opinion is regarding the Wilderness area. Do you reckon the chances of a decent bull are better by going deep into the Wilderness area? Or stick to the areas I already know? I should note, I'm not a road hunter. I go deep and hunt my tail off, but I don't want to waste this tag and I don't seem to come across the big boys in the areas I go. I've seen there are some outfitters that do drop camps, which I am contemplating. But just wanted to hear from others who have spent time in Norse Peak. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: deerlick on June 18, 2017, 09:29:03 PM
I did a drop camp in Norse peak last year for the peaches bull tag. Found no elk in a week where we were. Came out and  Shot a bull first day out in an area I actually hunt.... would've been a lot cheaper and more comfortable to go with what we knew  all along.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Brena.Hunter on June 18, 2017, 11:09:23 PM
Thanks for the insight deerlick - I wondered if that might be the case. I am thinking maybe sticking to where I know and perhaps throwing a spike camp in Norse Peak for a night or two? I imagine the reason people are successful in Norse Peak is because they know it already, like I know the area I stick to.

I guess I'm just concerned because I am normally targeting spikes, so I'm not sure where the monsters are hiding!  :dunno:
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: scudmaster on June 19, 2017, 09:56:40 PM
I was able to draw the Muzzy tag with 9 points.  Want to do a wilderness hunt.  If anyone had done this hunt, I would love to pick your brain.  Good luck to all, no matter what you drew.
with that tag u don't need to go i to the wildernes to get a 330+ bull but a
good true wilderness hunt that u can get the meat out fast enough with out horses: start at cement basin.  u get there by east bound hw 410 about 10min after u reach the summit of Chinook Pass and start to descend on the left hand side you'll see a blue sign "bear Gap" take that left follow that road as far as you can and hike straight up the hill fastest way to get there is just a bust brush beeline straight up. then u will see cement basin on your GPS or map. head that way.  on the way and a few miles past it up will find lots of good places to hunt. some times u will be competing with the Outfitters and guides but from my experience I've had them treat me with respect. About 13 years ago who i think was Chinook Pass Outfitters was up there with a few clients and they were very nice and respectful even gave us a few pointers.

Thanks Scoutdog.  Weighing the options of outfitting it.  While the area look small on the map, those ridges and valleys are steep.  I know it is not necessary, but I just want the backcountry experience, derelict is correct, you certainly don't need to go into the backcountry for the hunt to be successful.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: Stein on June 19, 2017, 10:10:15 PM
Well, I got my first shipment of maps in the mail today and got a nice start on the desk scouting.  I have a primary large area to dice up as well as three secondary smaller areas.  There are some discrepancies in state lands, so I need to at least keep that in mind if I end up hunting a distant plan C.

Now, I need to figure out when I can get in there after the snow melts as well as two other questions.  Are any of the roads closed during the hunting season (should be easy enough to find) which could open up new areas to look at?  Second, how much snow am I likely to run into during the hunt which could close off some areas due to inaccessibility.  I should be able to find at least averages which will let me know how likely I am to run into accessibility troubles.

I guess a third question would be where the animals go if we end up with heavy, early snow.  I plan on talking to the bio about this one just in case.  I'm used to hunting in late October, but not in this part of the state or at the specific elevation, so the conditions might be totally different.

I'm also thinking about camping spots for day trips vs multi-day bivy camping.  When I head over to scout I will check out both established camps as well as NF areas that would be in a good spot for dry camping.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Stein on June 27, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
Quick update in case anyone is interested.

Since I have two GMUs to chose from, I wanted to compare the two units in terms of how many people have tags earlier in the season than I (and 109 of my closest hunting partners) have.  I guess it summarizes the difference between the quality permit and the bull permit.

In the unit I am focusing on, there are about 160 permits issued for dates before mine (archery quality, modern quality, youth muzzy, 65+ muzzy and disabled quality).  Even with that pressure, there is a 45% success rate for my tag with 78% of them shooting a 5+ point bull.  So, they certainly are there to find and it isn't just the locals knowing where they honey holes are.

In my research, it became clear that the mature bulls are:

a) not likely to be in the same area they are during summer scouting or the rut season
b) probably not going to be with the cows and immature bulls
c) are likely to be in spots that offer the most protection (cover or geography) - they have survived several hunting seasons

That's probably pretty basic stuff to most, but this is my first hunt where I will be doing a true spot and stalk on mature bulls.  My previous experience was with cow tags, or during the general season where I found success finding places the other hunters will run the elk into five seconds after legal hours.

The maps all arrived except for one or two and I have what I need.  There are some interesting discrepancies in state land, but in areas I'm not interested in so I don't have to research further.  I'm using a combination of paper maps, Onyx and Google Earth and after about 10 hours of work have a pretty good feel for the land.  I also have my list of trailheads and established campsites to scout as well.  I will also spend some time looking at NF land for a wall tent basecamp.

Using that, I wanted to find as many spots as possible that fit the bill.  I found one primary spot and am working on finalizing a few others.  Of course, what makes them attractive potential areas is the fact they suck at getting to by both boot and saddle.  Depending on what I find and where I end up on opening morning, I might need to line up a few potential packers.

I also penciled out the entire summer and fall on the calendar as well as opening days for the earlier seasons.  My goal is to get in there during other seasons to see where the common areas for drop camps and pressure will be and use that to finalize my plan (knowing it will be somewhat different for the later seasons).  Ideally, I will be able to observe a few escape routes as well as check my primary areas for sign from past seasons.  Both of my kids have expressed interest in some backpacking trips, so I hope to include them in one or more scouting trips.

Finally, my idea of buying no new gear is running into snags.  Depending on the outcome of the first few scouting trips, a spotter will probably be necessary as well as a new stove and filter.  I managed to pick up a new headlamp on clearance as well as trekking poles at Costco.  I'm also considering a tripod and bino adapter even if I don't need a spotter but need to do some research as my budget will likely be about $100 for a tripod and I know nothing about them.

My next step is to finalize target areas and then finalize my first two scouting trips to check them out and get a first-hand feeling for the unit.  From there, I'll modify as necessary and do it again followed by in-season scouting and then the hunt.  On the side, I need to finalize my plan for my doe tag and see if I can find a youth season for my daughter that doesn't overlap my permit season - I'm really hoping I can get her out for at least a weekend this year. 
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: sagerat on June 27, 2017, 09:49:43 AM
We're interested! Keep it coming and good luck.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 27, 2017, 11:00:08 AM
Hey guys. I've been hunting the 346 since I was a kid, but for whatever reason have never headed over to Norse Peak. I guess you tend to stay in the areas you know. But this is my first time drawing an Any Bull tag in Peaches, so I am wondering what people's opinion is regarding the Wilderness area. Do you reckon the chances of a decent bull are better by going deep into the Wilderness area? Or stick to the areas I already know? I should note, I'm not a road hunter. I go deep and hunt my tail off, but I don't want to waste this tag and I don't seem to come across the big boys in the areas I go. I've seen there are some outfitters that do drop camps, which I am contemplating. But just wanted to hear from others who have spent time in Norse Peak. Thanks in advance.
Norse peek is very good. the only thing is u will be competing with people with horses and it's hard to get the meat out b4 it spoils.  I don't think u need to go to the wilderness with a quality bull tag in 346.  there is way more food down low and u don't have to cover so much area on foot. another good thing about the low lands is if u spook elk down low u can get in ur truck and drive to a different area.  it seem to me that in the wilderness areas if u soon elk in the wilderness they run very far and go to the next bowl or next Canyon over and that makes it hard to stay on them.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 27, 2017, 11:06:28 AM
Quick update in case anyone is interested.

Since I have two GMUs to chose from, I wanted to compare the two units in terms of how many people have tags earlier in the season than I (and 109 of my closest hunting partners) have.  I guess it summarizes the difference between the quality permit and the bull permit.

In the unit I am focusing on, there are about 160 permits issued for dates before mine (archery quality, modern quality, youth muzzy, 65+ muzzy and disabled quality).  Even with that pressure, there is a 45% success rate for my tag with 78% of them shooting a 5+ point bull.  So, they certainly are there to find and it isn't just the locals knowing where they honey holes are.

In my research, it became clear that the mature bulls are:

a) not likely to be in the same area they are during summer scouting or the rut season
b) probably not going to be with the cows and immature bulls
c) are likely to be in spots that offer the most protection (cover or geography) - they have survived several hunting seasons

That's probably pretty basic stuff to most, but this is my first hunt where I will be doing a true spot and stalk on mature bulls.  My previous experience was with cow tags, or during the general season where I found success finding places the other hunters will run the elk into five seconds after legal hours.

The maps all arrived except for one or two and I have what I need.  There are some interesting discrepancies in state land, but in areas I'm not interested in so I don't have to research further.  I'm using a combination of paper maps, Onyx and Google Earth and after about 10 hours of work have a pretty good feel for the land.  I also have my list of trailheads and established campsites to scout as well.  I will also spend some time looking at NF land for a wall tent basecamp.

Using that, I wanted to find as many spots as possible that fit the bill.  I found one primary spot and am working on finalizing a few others.  Of course, what makes them attractive potential areas is the fact they suck at getting to by both boot and saddle.  Depending on what I find and where I end up on opening morning, I might need to line up a few potential packers.

I also penciled out the entire summer and fall on the calendar as well as opening days for the earlier seasons.  My goal is to get in there during other seasons to see where the common areas for drop camps and pressure will be and use that to finalize my plan (knowing it will be somewhat different for the later seasons).  Ideally, I will be able to observe a few escape routes as well as check my primary areas for sign from past seasons.  Both of my kids have expressed interest in some backpacking trips, so I hope to include them in one or more scouting trips.

Finally, my idea of buying no new gear is running into snags.  Depending on the outcome of the first few scouting trips, a spotter will probably be necessary as well as a new stove and filter.  I managed to pick up a new headlamp on clearance as well as trekking poles at Costco.  I'm also considering a tripod and bino adapter even if I don't need a spotter but need to do some research as my budget will likely be about $100 for a tripod and I know nothing about them.

My next step is to finalize target areas and then finalize my first two scouting trips to check them out and get a first-hand feeling for the unit.  From there, I'll modify as necessary and do it again followed by in-season scouting and then the hunt.  On the side, I need to finalize my plan for my doe tag and see if I can find a youth season for my daughter that doesn't overlap my permit season - I'm really hoping I can get her out for at least a weekend this year.
ur goING to see elk all over 346 b4 ur tag let's u hunt.  just like the permit is: it's a bull tag so I would take the 1st bull u see over 250" it's not a quality and yes it get hit hard.  u said u have the moder firearm bull tag that's right b4 the gen. modern season right?  it's a good tag.  good luck.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Stein on June 27, 2017, 11:38:20 AM
Yep, modern bull tag.

I haven't needed to field judge elk before, so all six points fall into three categories: real spindly, nice and huge.  I'm hoping for one in the nice to huge category, but I haven't ruled out shooting the first 6x6 I see.  I will definitely pass anything under 6 unless I am on my last day.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 28, 2017, 09:57:04 PM
I wonder if WDFW not giving as many cow tags out this year IN GMU 346 will make that bull tag better due to less blood, guts and booms going off in the woods. many the Bulls will be a little less cautious?
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 29, 2017, 05:05:50 AM
Or with the additional pressure push them back and make them more cautious
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: SpotNStalker on June 30, 2017, 09:17:04 AM
I'm enjoying the thread. I drew the archery permit, and have been in the area before calling for other people who have drawn the tag. Shoot me a PM if you'd like. I'll be up there tomorrow and through the weekend. I'd be happy to chat with you especially after my season. I second the comment about running binos on the tripod. If you're not doing score evaluation, you'll do better glassing with a good 12 or 15x bino on a tripod. It's a game changer. I'll be going up throughout the 2 units throughout summer. Maybe we can meet up one of the weekends you're heading in too. I'll be hunting solo, but have some mules or goats on call to help me out if need be. It's gorgeous country and a fun hunt regardless of success.  :tup:
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Stein on June 30, 2017, 09:34:52 AM
Cool, thanks.  I hadn't thought about the higher power bino option.


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Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: scoutdog346 on July 02, 2017, 05:12:19 PM
I was able to draw the Muzzy tag with 9 points.  Want to do a wilderness hunt.  If anyone had done this hunt, I would love to pick your brain.  Good luck to all, no matter what you drew.
with that tag u don't need to go i to the wildernes to get a 330+ bull but a
good true wilderness hunt that u can get the meat out fast enough with out horses: start at cement basin.  u get there by east bound hw 410 about 10min after u reach the summit of Chinook Pass and start to descend on the left hand side you'll see a blue sign "bear Gap" take that left follow that road as far as you can and hike straight up the hill fastest way to get there is just a bust brush beeline straight up. then u will see cement basin on your GPS or map. head that way.  on the way and a few miles past it up will find lots of good places to hunt. some times u will be competing with the Outfitters and guides but from my experience I've had them treat me with respect. About 13 years ago who i think was Chinook Pass Outfitters was up there with a few clients and they were very nice and respectful even gave us a few pointers.

Thanks Scoutdog.  Weighing the options of outfitting it.  While the area look small on the map, those ridges and valleys are steep.  I know it is not necessary, but I just want the backcountry experience, derelict is correct, you certainly don't need to go into the backcountry for the hunt to be successful.
go up fifes ridge and hit some of them clear cuts on the right hand side goig up. 
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: scoutdog346 on July 02, 2017, 05:15:36 PM
Congrats!! I was lucky enough to draw the sept. 25-29 for peaches!




Sweet
i think thats the best tag in wa.  nice job! 
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: muledeer78 on July 03, 2017, 06:28:45 AM
Congrats!! I was lucky enough to draw the sept. 25-29 for peaches!




Sweet
i think thats the best tag in wa.  nice job!
Thanks! I will be hitting it hard scouting mid August all the way up to the hunt.
Title: Re: Peaches
Post by: scoutdog346 on July 03, 2017, 02:29:13 PM
Congrats!! I was lucky enough to draw the sept. 25-29 for peaches!




Sweet
i think thats the best tag in wa.  nice job!
Thanks! I will be hitting it hard scouting mid August all the way up to the hunt.
ur not going tonhave a problim getting a bull ur only problim will be know how big of a bull u should hold out for.  get to know what size is up there so u know what to hold out for. PM me and ill tell u where my honey hole is. 
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Gringo31 on July 04, 2017, 08:33:38 AM
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I drew 1 of 110 available EF Peaches tags

I'm still confused what tag you drew....
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: GUscottie on July 04, 2017, 11:06:07 AM
Well, this has been informative. I have one of the 33 Muzzy tags. Have been up a couple times already and am getting ready to hit it again this "weekend".

Gringo, I think the 110 EF Peaches tags are the "bull" tags that are for the firearms season that allow them to shoot a bull. it was a bull tag, not a Quality tag this year. I know the archery season had a similar tag.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Gringo31 on July 04, 2017, 01:10:10 PM
I didn't know that many tags were given for draw during general...
 :tup:

Thx
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Elkfever on July 04, 2017, 05:13:19 PM
GUScottie, congrats!  I drew the same tag.  I'll be heading over to put boots to the ground in a couple weeks.  Can't wait to finally put my desktop scouting to use! 
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Stein on August 01, 2017, 09:39:06 AM
First scouting trip is in the bag, I had a great weekend and near perfect weather.  Wow, lots of mosquitoes in there, glad I threw in some DEET last minute. 

I saw plenty of steep and deep as well as a few rather large horse camps in about 6 miles.  Overall, probably not the area I want to hunt but I had a chance to drive all the way around both units as well as check out a bunch of campsites and see what trail heads were open.

At this point, I'm leaning toward a base camp that I have easy access to several different trails and spots, with backpacking in I don't want to commit to an area that takes a day to get in and a day to get out only to not be where I want to be or have a bunch of camps pop up nearby.

I booked a second scouting trip, this time with the family camping out there.  Should be fun.

Man, that area has some scenery.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: GUscottie on August 02, 2017, 09:46:26 AM
Glad to hear you're having a good scouting season so far.

I as well have been up there a few times. Been finding a ton of cows and spikes. And a doe mule deer. Lots and lots of sign, some fresh, some old.

With there being so few tags for the Muzzy any bull tag (Sept 30-8Oct), I'm getting excited seeing all of the sign and cow I've been seeing.

I have noticed that there are lots of jeepers running around, but, I'm hoping that slows as we close in on hunting season (am I right or wrong here???).

Since I've never killed an elk, my expectations are high that I may finally break my streak of no elk this fall (10+ years are about enough of that, eh?).
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Duckhunter14 on August 02, 2017, 02:45:33 PM
Glad to hear you're having a good scouting season so far.

I as well have been up there a few times. Been finding a ton of cows and spikes. And a doe mule deer. Lots and lots of sign, some fresh, some old.

With there being so few tags for the Muzzy any bull tag (Sept 30-8Oct), I'm getting excited seeing all of the sign and cow I've been seeing.

I have noticed that there are lots of jeepers running around, but, I'm hoping that slows as we close in on hunting season (am I right or wrong here???).

Slows down? No, and then the dirt bikers start in about the opener too. Good luck.
Since I've never killed an elk, my expectations are high that I may finally break my streak of no elk this fall (10+ years are about enough of that, eh?).
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: scudmaster on August 02, 2017, 09:23:40 PM
Alright question for all of you.  As I said before, I drew a Peaches Muzzy tag.  Silly me I assumed it would be a muzzy only hunt in the unit at that time, did not even think to check.   But DFW in their wisdom has two different labels for the same hunt in the 346 Peaches and Little Naches, all under the Quality hunts.  So now Muzzy hunters are competing with Rifle hunters.  Gonna be fun to stalk up on a bull only to have some guy with a rifle tag it from 500 yards...Not rifle hunters fault of course.  This state just found one more way to piss me off.  And they sell that *censored* as a "Quality" hunt. :bash:   Am I off base?!

Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: GUscottie on August 03, 2017, 08:01:54 AM
There are 10 rifle hunters. There are 33 muzzy hunters. There are some juvenile cow tags and some disable cow tags. That's it. There are like 60 total hunters. And only 43 are chasing bulls. I think it's still pretty quality.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: poopooheaddad on August 03, 2017, 08:05:31 AM
and as a muzzy hunter you will be required to wear hunter orange,,,,
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Stein on August 03, 2017, 08:09:24 AM
There are 10 rifle hunters. There are 33 muzzy hunters. There are some juvenile cow tags and some disable cow tags. That's it. There are like 60 total hunters. And only 43 are chasing bulls. I think it's still pretty quality.

Spread over two units.

I am competing with 109 other rifles and consider myself very fortunate.  It's all in how you look at it.

Looking at the regs, the Quality EF is Sept 25-29 and the EM is Sept 30-Oct 8, so there is zero overlap.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 03, 2017, 09:10:41 AM
I hunt the Lil Naches and during archery I never came across anyone while on foot. During muzzy season I came across 1 group of 2 hunting and another scouting for their rifle tags. The Lil Naches is huge and if you find a good area you will rarely cross paths with anyone. :tup:
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: scudmaster on August 03, 2017, 02:08:46 PM
There are 10 rifle hunters. There are 33 muzzy hunters. There are some juvenile cow tags and some disable cow tags. That's it. There are like 60 total hunters. And only 43 are chasing bulls. I think it's still pretty quality.

Spread over two units.

I am competing with 109 other rifles and consider myself very fortunate.  It's all in how you look at it.

Looking at the regs, the Quality EF is Sept 25-29 and the EM is Sept 30-Oct 8, so there is zero overlap.

@Stein, that is what I thought.  Look at the Little Naches quality hunt a few lines below and those dates overlap with Peaches Muzzy just in the 346, half the Peaches Ridge area.

I'm not saying I will be over run with other hunters and I am hunting the Norse Peak, as a backcountry hunt so I expect even less pressure there, but just changes the flavor of the hunt.  Keeping seasons separated by weapon would seem to be a better way to go, and what most people I've asked assume when putting in for tags.  In the next public comment period, I am going to suggest that the Little Naches and Peaches Modern seasons overlap.  That would make more sense to me.

Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 03, 2017, 02:14:24 PM
I hunt the naches during general modern and rarely see anyone. I think you will be ok.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Stein on August 03, 2017, 08:07:00 PM
Gotcha, that makes sense.  Either way, lots of country, particularly if you have good legs.  There is at least one "closed" trail if you look that will get you by yourself.  I found huge drainage (really big) that has zero trails in it and plenty of dark timber.  If you want to be alone, you can be as alone as you want.

It could be better, but I haven't drawn any tags for the last 6 years so this year looks pretty good, even with 109 other dudes out there and over a hundred hunting before me.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: scudmaster on August 04, 2017, 08:10:34 AM
Yeah I am sure it will be find. I am gonna pack in to the Norse Peak and hunt the high basins. So I think that will leave a lot of others behind. Heading in there this weekend so should start to get a better sense of scale for the place. Thanks all for talking me off the ledge.

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Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: rtspring on August 04, 2017, 08:59:27 AM
No need to go in deep in either unit to kill big bulls,  just depends on what HUNT you want to experience.  I have a heck of a lot of experience in both units and have been deep in both.  I've never killed an elk or helped anyone with success in deep. 

Would not worry about other hunters, lots and lots of country, and a ton of elk. 
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Katmai Guy on August 04, 2017, 09:12:12 AM

The bull in my avatar I shot in 346 from the road on my way home on my last day.  Not the biggest on the hill but I was on my way home.

  Pm me if you decide against steep and deep.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: scoutdog346 on August 04, 2017, 04:31:29 PM
mono pod that works as a walking stick also. works great for me...
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Stein on August 22, 2017, 06:13:23 AM
Scouting trip 2 is in the books and I have two more scheduled before the hunt.  I was able to head in with my son and get a good lay of a completely different part of the unit.  I crossed a few areas of the area off the list, checked out several base camp sites and one potential spot that I need to check out again during the next trip.

I also found a spot that had 3 trucks at the trailhead as well as passing another two coming up when I was leaving.  It looked to be a great area, but I'm guessing it is grand central during the season.  If I am able to scout during muzzy season I will be able to verify this one way or another.

I talked to a guy up there and that coupled with a ton of research and scouting led me to what may be the best lead I have had so far.  I need to check it out, but the area looks very, very promising - no vehicle access, 2-3 miles of hiking in, great cover and feed as well as someplace I can get into several areas from the same access point.

Training is going fine, I found a huge set of stairs and I am focusing on maximizing vertical climb with a 30 pound pack.

The next trip will be a four day trip with my family.  I should be able to get daily early morning scouts as well as some serious windshield time scouting the closer to road areas I need to get a look at.

I appreciate all the guys in here that have given me pieces of the puzzle, this enabled me to start building alternate locations in case the primary ones I am developing don't pan out. 

The next month is going to be crazy as my son is scheduled for the youth duck opener and my daughter will be at the SCI youth doe hunt as well as trying to figure out how to punch my second deer tag either before or on my way to the Peaches hunt.  Then, I have a week or two before the blues buck hunt which I haven't even started to research yet.  Man, great problems to have and so unlike my average season.  I am very fortunate to have banked a ton of vacation and have a hunter for a boss.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Brena.Hunter on August 24, 2017, 10:21:44 PM
Norse Peak Fire Information:

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5509/
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: dave24 on August 30, 2017, 07:08:39 PM
Well congrats on the draw it's a tuff hunt had tag last year not many animals lots of people and camps from deer to modern elk. All I can say is go high pacific crest trail no pressure there.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Stein on September 05, 2017, 10:54:14 AM
My third scouting trip was cancelled due to the fire and the previous two trips are in areas that are now burned.  It looks like best case scenario is they will be able to hold the fire at the 19 road, but that is far from certain now.

I sincerely hope all residents are safe as well as the fire crews.  My hunt means nothing compared to real problems many face.

Right now, I'm not planning any future scouting trips but have some open weekends if conditions improve.  I'll spend time desk scouting trying to figure out where the elk will go - if anyone has any ideas I'm all ears.  I don't think many people with the Peaches tag ever end up in 336, but that may be the place to start looking.  If the 19 road is closed, there is going to be quite a pumpkin patch on the SE checkerboard of 346 as it is the only place left.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: scudmaster on September 08, 2017, 11:20:42 PM
If you return you tag they will reinstate your points. So that is something to consider. But had to be postmarked by today for archery.

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Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Stein on October 03, 2017, 10:42:49 AM
Well, I'm back from my last scouting trip and it went very well.  I scouted 3 areas and found a fourth potential that I didn't have time to go up into yet.  I also finalized on a base camp hunt and got my campsite and backup lined up.

On Sunday I went into a completely new area and found a backup spot that is great, but very well known.  I ran into 4 muzzy hunters plus 2-3 groups of ORV riders.  Hopefully the ORV activity lessens in the next few weeks with more snow and colder temps.

On Monday morning back into a different area I have been near before, I heard a single shot about 7 am and then two more at 9-10 when I was at my best spot, but nothing nearby.  I actually found what looks to be a very promising spot that had zero boot or tire tracks going in.  The fact that it wasn't hunted during the muzzy opener or frequented by ORV makes me smile, but on the down side, there were few signs of elk.  I didn't get up in there until 9 am, so they could have come and gone or they may mosey into there in the next few weeks or be pushed over when the season opens. 

I did find the motherload of deer spots on the top of a knob.  There were fresh droppings on top of week old stuff on top of ancient stuff every 5-10'.  There is a bit of overlap with the seasons, so I might be tempted to burn the buck tag I drew if I get sight of a nice mulie.

I had a chance at two grouse, one I passed as it was too close to where I wanted to glass and the other jumped down a steep ravine before I could figure out where my earplugs were.

Finally, I was high enough on Monday to see into the burn - man that is going to be a tag in 2-3 years.  Imagine entire drainage after drainage of black pencils poking out of a white snowy landscape.  It will be interesting to see what happens if they open it up before my season.

Overall, hunting pressure didn't seem very high, but there are 3 times the modern tags issued as muzzie.  What really surprised me was the number of trailers coming west on 410 when I was heading east on Monday.  I probably saw 10-15 hunters max.

I also just noticed that my opening weekend is the closing weekend for the general deer hunt, so that wasn't the best news around.  Between the close of general deer and the opening of general elk is three scant days where there will only be 110 tags out there.

Wrapping everything up, I decided that I will absolutely shoot the first bull 5x5 or bigger.

So, overall a great trip.  I have four solid spots plus another 1-2 if those go south.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: hunterofelk on October 03, 2017, 11:23:29 AM
Did you see any elk?
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: jstone on October 03, 2017, 11:35:21 AM
 :yeah: and was there still hot spots in the burn?
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Stein on October 03, 2017, 12:35:15 PM
I didn't see any hotspots, the ground was covered with a thin layer of snow up high and solidly damp down below.  i did see a spot fire but it was way down by the 19 road by a campground and was being attended to.  Ground under trees was relatively dry still.

I didn't lay eyes on elk, but got close enough to smell one and followed a separate set of tracks up a different game trail to a steaming pile and let him go.  I promised myself not to get excited or dejected if I saw a bunch or none as they will likely be in different spots in almost 3 weeks. 

I also wasn't at any spotting locations until 9 am and off by 5, so I wasn't there during prime times.
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: rtspring on October 04, 2017, 06:37:29 PM
Dont put to much into thd deer hunters scaring  away the elk, the area gets little pressure for deer.  Most that hunt deer drive the roads, so not much to worry about. 
Title: Re: Peaches - Planning through the hunt
Post by: Stein on October 20, 2017, 04:48:41 AM
Well, the alarm went off this morning and I can't believe it's actually time.  I hope that almost forgetting the wood stove is the closest I come to forgetting something important.

Deep thanks to all that provided a piece of the puzzle and good luck to the other 109 tag holders and everyone in the field this weekend.

Feel free to anyone to drop by, I will be in the Cabelas Bighorn tent and have the green Chevy with a maroon canopy.