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Title: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: kball4 on July 25, 2017, 08:53:42 AM
http://www.kitsapsun.com/story/news/local/2017/07/24/relocate-kill-among-options-studied-mountain-goats/506917001/
Title: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 25, 2017, 09:10:46 AM
They should auction off tags to help fund the park's services. They could likely bring in $100s of thousands from just 4 or 5. It would also likely save that amount in helicopter sniper time.
Title: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: kball4 on July 25, 2017, 10:25:36 AM
That makes too much sense this is the government we're talking about.
Title: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: Rainier10 on July 25, 2017, 11:15:33 AM
They should auction off tags to help fund the park's services. They could likely bring in $100s of thousands from just 4 or 5. It would also likely save that amount in helicopter sniper time.
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 25, 2017, 11:39:09 AM
There are 600 goats in the park. You could auction off 50 tags nationwide and fund the entire rest of the project with money left over.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: Skyvalhunter on July 25, 2017, 11:48:07 AM
That's a great idea. Problem is they made it public now all the tree huggers want to see them transferred safely. Which I am ok with as long as its to an area I can then apply for a OIL permit.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: NoBark on July 25, 2017, 11:58:21 AM
That's a great idea. Problem is they made it public now all the tree huggers want to see them transferred safely. Which I am ok with as long as its to an area I can then apply for a OIL permit.


I agree AS LONG AS the tree huggers pay for the transfer!
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: bearpaw on July 25, 2017, 02:13:48 PM
That's a great idea. Problem is they made it public now all the tree huggers want to see them transferred safely. Which I am ok with as long as its to an area I can then apply for a OIL permit.

I'm all for transferring the goats to augment and increase other herds.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: northwesthunter84 on July 25, 2017, 02:24:48 PM
Yep move them and bolster the herds, totally agree. I think that is the best answer and a win for everyone.  Heck I would be willing to chip in money to help the move.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: bearpaw on July 25, 2017, 02:32:30 PM
Yep move them and bolster the herds, totally agree. I think that is the best answer and a win for everyone.  Heck I would be willing to chip in money to help the move.

Great idea, I would also donate to help move goats!
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 25, 2017, 02:36:29 PM
The park tried to move them once before and the greenies shut it down, about 25 years ago.  They used helicopters and tranquilizers.  The helicopters would lower a harness to the goat and fly them off.  Greenies said it was too dangerous and was causing psychological damage to goats. 
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: Jpmiller on July 28, 2017, 06:36:18 AM
It did cause psychological damage to the goats! It turned then into killers!

Move em to the Cascades herds. Could help speed up more hunting opportunities.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 28, 2017, 06:39:30 AM
The park tried to move them once before and the greenies shut it down, about 25 years ago.  They used helicopters and tranquilizers.  The helicopters would lower a harness to the goat and fly them off.  Greenies said it was too dangerous and was causing psychological damage to goats.

Maybe they could first dart the greenies, harness them up, and fly them back to CA. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: rosscrazyelk on July 28, 2017, 06:44:47 AM
Because it's a national park it won't happen, but they should have a country wide raffle to hunt set number of goats, use that money to transplant he rest into areas in Washington.
 What will happen is they will use our tax money to pay a professional to come early shoot x number of goats and more tax money to transplant  them out of state.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: jagermiester on July 28, 2017, 09:35:11 AM
The goats are thriving in the Olympics why does the state want to eradicate them from an area that they are doing good in. Someone was killed by a wild animal and they are jumping to such extremes. It cracks me up that they say they are not native to the Olympics. Mountain goats are native to the Northwestern part of the United States. Its not like they were introduced into another continent. There are only 3500 goats in the whole state, the conservationist in me says help them thrive and maybe someday our grandchildren will have goats to kill when they spill outside of the park.
Or let us hunt 25 of them a year inside the park and it will create a more natural relationship between animals with hooves and those of us with thumbs. :tup:
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on July 28, 2017, 09:39:22 AM
The park tried to move them once before and the greenies shut it down, about 25 years ago.  They used helicopters and tranquilizers.  The helicopters would lower a harness to the goat and fly them off.  Greenies said it was too dangerous and was causing psychological damage to goats.

Maybe they could first dart the greenies, harness them up, and fly them back to CA. Just a thought.



Now there's a common sense solution! :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: Katmai Guy on July 28, 2017, 09:43:59 AM
The goats are thriving in the Olympics why does the state want to eradicate them from an area that they are doing good in. Someone was killed by a wild animal and they are jumping to such extremes. It cracks me up that they say they are not native to the Olympics. Mountain goats are native to the Northwestern part of the United States. Its not like they were introduced into another continent. There are only 3500 goats in the whole state, the conservationist in me says help them thrive and maybe someday our grandchildren will have goats to kill when they spill outside of the park.
Or let us hunt 25 of them a year inside the park and it will create a more natural relationship between animals with hooves and those of us with thumbs. :tup:

Supposedly the native flora is more important than the non-native fauna.  The NPS has been trying to rid the park of them for years.  The conflict permit was created to help solve this problem but the success rate sucks so it seams the NPS is going to try other methods.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: jagermiester on July 28, 2017, 12:22:11 PM
Yeah but don't you think the non-native distinction is a little strange. These animals are native to the Pacific Northwest.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: Pegasus on July 28, 2017, 12:41:34 PM
They could just make an open season for any goat in the Olympics kinda like how they deal with the feral hog problem. Ya I know its a park but those goats are crazed killers and we must deal with the obvious. Its either that or plant a bunch of wolves to take care of the problem until they kill a hiker...
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: Jpmiller on July 28, 2017, 12:49:44 PM
Yeah but don't you think the non-native distinction is a little strange. These animals are native to the Pacific Northwest.

I see your point. White tails aren't native to alot of their current range in the state and if not for agriculture may never have spread to where they are now. The state seems fine with them.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 28, 2017, 01:03:13 PM
The park tried to move them once before and the greenies shut it down, about 25 years ago.  They used helicopters and tranquilizers.  The helicopters would lower a harness to the goat and fly them off.  Greenies said it was too dangerous and was causing psychological damage to goats.

Maybe they could first dart the greenies, harness them up, and fly them back to CA. Just a thought.



Now there's a common sense solution! :IBCOOL:

 :yike: that would cover a big portion of the west side of the state. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: j_h_nimrod on July 28, 2017, 01:22:17 PM
The goats are thriving in the Olympics why does the state want to eradicate them from an area that they are doing good in. Someone was killed by a wild animal and they are jumping to such extremes. It cracks me up that they say they are not native to the Olympics. Mountain goats are native to the Northwestern part of the United States. Its not like they were introduced into another continent. There are only 3500 goats in the whole state, the conservationist in me says help them thrive and maybe someday our grandchildren will have goats to kill when they spill outside of the park.
Or let us hunt 25 of them a year inside the park and it will create a more natural relationship between animals with hooves and those of us with thumbs. :tup:

Supposedly the native flora is more important than the non-native fauna.  The NPS has been trying to rid the park of them for years.  The conflict permit was created to help solve this problem but the success rate sucks so it seams the NPS is going to try other methods.

The success rate for the conflict goat hunts sucks?  That hunt seems like a no brainer with a lot of access, little pressure, and a good population.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: Bob33 on July 28, 2017, 01:28:52 PM
The goats are thriving in the Olympics why does the state want to eradicate them from an area that they are doing good in. Someone was killed by a wild animal and they are jumping to such extremes. It cracks me up that they say they are not native to the Olympics. Mountain goats are native to the Northwestern part of the United States. Its not like they were introduced into another continent. There are only 3500 goats in the whole state, the conservationist in me says help them thrive and maybe someday our grandchildren will have goats to kill when they spill outside of the park.
Or let us hunt 25 of them a year inside the park and it will create a more natural relationship between animals with hooves and those of us with thumbs. :tup:

Supposedly the native flora is more important than the non-native fauna.  The NPS has been trying to rid the park of them for years.  The conflict permit was created to help solve this problem but the success rate sucks so it seams the NPS is going to try other methods.

The success rate for the conflict goat hunts sucks?  That hunt seems like a no brainer with a lot of access, little pressure, and a good population.
Both conflict reduction hunts last year were 100% success. I'm not sure how that sucks?
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: bigtex on July 28, 2017, 02:05:40 PM
The goats are thriving in the Olympics why does the state want to eradicate them from an area that they are doing good in. Someone was killed by a wild animal and they are jumping to such extremes. It cracks me up that they say they are not native to the Olympics. Mountain goats are native to the Northwestern part of the United States. Its not like they were introduced into another continent. There are only 3500 goats in the whole state, the conservationist in me says help them thrive and maybe someday our grandchildren will have goats to kill when they spill outside of the park.
Or let us hunt 25 of them a year inside the park and it will create a more natural relationship between animals with hooves and those of us with thumbs. :tup:
It's the National Park Service who wants to do it, not WDFW.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: shanevg on July 31, 2017, 11:45:11 AM
If they are going to eradicate the goats anyways, why so few conflict tags?  I understand why they wouldn't want an open season (would just push the goats back into the park), but why not 4 seasons (August, September, October, November), 25 tags per season or something like that.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: Katmai Guy on July 31, 2017, 11:50:42 AM
The goats are thriving in the Olympics why does the state want to eradicate them from an area that they are doing good in. Someone was killed by a wild animal and they are jumping to such extremes. It cracks me up that they say they are not native to the Olympics. Mountain goats are native to the Northwestern part of the United States. Its not like they were introduced into another continent. There are only 3500 goats in the whole state, the conservationist in me says help them thrive and maybe someday our grandchildren will have goats to kill when they spill outside of the park.
Or let us hunt 25 of them a year inside the park and it will create a more natural relationship between animals with hooves and those of us with thumbs. :tup:

Supposedly the native flora is more important than the non-native fauna.  The NPS has been trying to rid the park of them for years.  The conflict permit was created to help solve this problem but the success rate sucks so it seams the NPS is going to try other methods.

The success rate for the conflict goat hunts sucks?  That hunt seems like a no brainer with a lot of access, little pressure, and a good population.
Both conflict reduction hunts last year were 100% success. I'm not sure how that sucks?

My bad, the first season sucked, I hadn't checked the last 2, just made an assumption.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 31, 2017, 11:56:02 AM
If they are going to eradicate the goats anyways, why so few conflict tags?  I understand why they wouldn't want an open season (would just push the goats back into the park), but why not 4 seasons (August, September, October, November), 25 tags per season or something like that.
November would be tough on the guys that apply but aren't familiar with those areas.  They might be alright in the earlier months, but can get a bit hairy as the year rolls on.  Been up there in goat land for deer opener (mid oct) a few times and had temps in the teens, snow/ice.
Title: Re: Goat removal plan for Olympic National Park
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 17, 2017, 03:37:10 PM
Heard they plan to relocate the goats as they can find them until 2019.  At that point they'll just shoot the ones they missed.