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Title: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: treeclimber2852 on August 07, 2017, 09:00:16 AM
So this is over in the Bumping unit.  I didn't think there were any whitetail over there, but this guy sure looks like a whitetail to me with his eye guards.  He's been on camera a few times, but it's always coming from the same direction so I don't have a good butt pic (that's what she said). 

And if it is a whitetail...he's off limits, right? 
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: h20hunter on August 07, 2017, 09:01:19 AM
Looks white to me.
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Post by: Woodchuck on August 07, 2017, 09:01:46 AM
That's a white tail, not familiar with the regs in that area.
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Post by: Timberstalker on August 07, 2017, 09:02:52 AM
It looks like a whitetail.  It's hard to say though.  It has pretty large ears. :dunno:
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: Timberstalker on August 07, 2017, 09:06:23 AM
Is this the same buck?  I stole this from your other thread.
This looks like a Muley to me, based off of the face and ears. :twocents:
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: bobcat on August 07, 2017, 09:08:00 AM
Doesn't really look like a whitetail face to me. Do you have any better photos of the face, and throat area? Could be a blacktail.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: treeclimber2852 on August 07, 2017, 09:16:20 AM
Is this the same buck?  I stole this from your other thread.
This looks like a Muley to me, based off of the face and ears. :twocents:

Pretty sure its the same buck.  This is a different one...I just thought their racks looked markedly different. 
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: sjhgraysage on August 07, 2017, 09:24:03 AM
Because I don't see any white on the inside of the upper right rear leg, I think it is a mule deer or blacktail.
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Post by: lewy on August 07, 2017, 09:28:33 AM
Looks like he's got nuts like an old goat in that first pic lol
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: lokidog on August 07, 2017, 09:34:36 AM
Looks like he's got nuts like an old goat in that first pic lol

Tarsal gland puffed out.....   :rolleyes:   :chuckle:
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: emac on August 07, 2017, 09:50:58 AM
Could also be a cross between muley and whitetail. See that often in some parts of eastern wa. But i would its a bt/md cross

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Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: Gringo31 on August 07, 2017, 09:52:22 AM
Mule
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: treeclimber2852 on August 07, 2017, 09:55:37 AM
Given the fact that according to WDFW, there aren't any bt on the east side (at least none with an open season), where do the regulations come down on crossbreeds? 
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: emac on August 07, 2017, 09:57:33 AM
Crossbreads arent considered. They would say thats a muley since its on the east side. If it was on the west side they would say bt

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Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: lewy on August 07, 2017, 12:08:23 PM
Looks like he's got nuts like an old goat in that first pic lol

Tarsal gland puffed out.....   :rolleyes:   :chuckle:

Its a joke bud
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: h20hunter on August 07, 2017, 12:10:37 PM
New pics look more muley.
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Post by: cbond3318 on August 07, 2017, 12:20:06 PM
I says it a Wuley.

or it may be Mighttail.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: bowhunterforever on August 07, 2017, 03:59:06 PM
Muley
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Post by: tracksoup on August 07, 2017, 04:22:19 PM
It's a mule deer
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: 2labs on August 07, 2017, 05:05:24 PM
Benchleg :sry:
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: DeerThug on August 07, 2017, 05:24:48 PM
A lot of the deer there are more blacktail/mulie hybrids.  If you compare them to true coastal blacktails don't quite line up.  Same if you compare to true mule deer from eastern Washington.  That 3 point rack is pretty typical of the bucks there.  I consider that a transitional zone from blackies and mulies.  Once the horns grow a bit more and harden off it will not look like a white tail.  The throat white patch is another clue.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: Buzz2401 on August 07, 2017, 05:28:27 PM
Looks like a mule deer to me.
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Post by: fishnfur on August 07, 2017, 08:08:17 PM
A shot of the tail would go a long way in identifying the animal.  The first pic looks like classic whitetail antlers, subsequent photos look like muley.  The portion of the tail that can be seen in the final photo looks like textbook mule deer, huh?
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Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 07, 2017, 08:59:07 PM
Mule deer. First pic a whiteys tail would be partially visible
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Post by: yakimanoob on August 09, 2017, 11:16:36 AM
Muley.  It's a little tough to differentiate by antlers at that stage, but the ears are a dead give-away.

Coloration is pretty light for a mule deer for sure, but color is a silly way of differentiating between deer as there's so much natural variation.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: hunter399 on August 09, 2017, 11:25:56 AM
First pic is whitetail,pic two and three are mule deer.It looks like a case of mule deer and white tail mixed together in the same area to me,and different deer to me. :twocents:
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: idaho guy on August 09, 2017, 03:22:27 PM
first picture is a whitetail that rack is 100% whitetail buck. I did shoot a cross in eastern Montana that had a perfect whitetail rack and a muley body. Either way everything about the first pic says whitetail
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2017, 03:23:57 PM
You can't just go by the antlers, there is such thing as 3 point mule deer too.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: bowhunterforever on August 09, 2017, 03:31:57 PM
You can't just go by the antlers, there is such thing as 3 point mule deer too.
:yeah:
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: idaho guy on August 09, 2017, 03:38:07 PM
You can't just go by the antlers, there is such thing as 3 point mule deer too.
:yeah:

the first picture I would call the right side a 5 point?  I count eye guards on whitetails but not mule deer and that is a whitetail. I have shot and seen 3 point mule deer not sure of your point there.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: Timberstalker on August 09, 2017, 04:01:50 PM
Picture 001 and 002 are the same deer - both mule deer.
Look at the face and the ears.  Clear as day. :tup:
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: treeclimber2852 on August 09, 2017, 04:24:46 PM
I've heard a few stories of a small pocket of whitetail on bald mountain years ago. Maybe some of those genes got mixed in with the recovering muley population.  What happened to the deer population in Nile/Bumping/Naches?  I'm seeing deer but nothing like I'd expect with the regulations and the habitat. 
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: jdb on August 09, 2017, 05:21:31 PM
Picture 001 and 002 are the same deer - both mule deer.
Look at the face and the ears.  Clear as day. :tup:
agreed
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: jdb on August 09, 2017, 05:25:00 PM
I've heard a few stories of a small pocket of whitetail on bald mountain years ago. Maybe some of those genes got mixed in with the recovering muley population.  What happened to the deer population in Nile/Bumping/Naches?  I'm seeing deer but nothing like I'd expect with the regulations and the habitat.
that heard has never fully recovered from the winter kills of the 90's. Combine that with poaching, native pressure, predators, human encroachment and mismanagement.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: SGTDuffman on August 09, 2017, 07:55:30 PM
I'd say pic 1 is a WT, 2 & 3 are mule. The antlers tell the tale. Harder to tell at this point, but number 1 clearly, to me anyways, has the points originating off the main beam. 2 and 3 are the BT/Muley w points forking.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: jdb on August 09, 2017, 08:12:57 PM
When there are only 3 don't they all originate from a main beam? I've seen quite a few three point Muleys over there years that had very whitetailesg antlers
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: Timberstalker on August 09, 2017, 08:20:02 PM
Picture 001 and picture 001 are the slaw deer.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: hal on August 30, 2017, 11:15:59 AM
that is a whitetail. I spotted a whitetail doe on the west bound off ramp of I90 exit #25 last fall. I emailed the game boys with no response.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 30, 2017, 11:17:15 AM
NE benchleg
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: cbond3318 on August 30, 2017, 11:26:42 AM
Picture 001 and picture 001 are the slaw deer.


You forget to breath for a few minutes?  :o
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: Timberstalker on August 30, 2017, 12:40:33 PM
Picture 001 and picture 001 are the slaw deer.


You forget to breath for a few minutes?  :o

LMAO.  That may have been Busch Light Fueled.  Correction:  Picture 001 and Picture 002 are the same deer.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 30, 2017, 12:51:21 PM
Pic 1 & 2 appear to be the same and probably a whitey, based off the eyeguards. 3 appears to be muley.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: treeclimber2852 on August 30, 2017, 12:57:34 PM
I was hoping for more pics, but since my cameras are in the Norse Peak Fire no-go zone I may have to wait until late season or spring.  At least he lives another year to grow some more. 
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: Lincoln4 on August 30, 2017, 01:44:08 PM

#1's Antlers sure looks like the Whitetails we shoot every fall in 111.  Light colored coat, but no white on the belly and inner legs...  I'm saying Whuley?

Where's BigTex for a ruling on these deer?
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: Seabass on August 30, 2017, 02:54:24 PM
I think they are all mule deer. Antlers don't mean chit.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: Timberstalker on August 30, 2017, 05:02:16 PM
I think they are all mule deer. Antlers don't mean chit.

 :tup:
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: runamuk on August 30, 2017, 06:23:51 PM
Benchleg
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: Timberstalker on August 30, 2017, 06:38:45 PM
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: CarbonHunter on August 30, 2017, 06:50:32 PM
Mule deer with possible blacktail mix. Killed several in the 346 that look just like him.

Hair lice has also contributed to the decline of the deer herd in the area. Been in the area for around ten years or better now.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: hal on August 30, 2017, 08:07:44 PM
that is a whitetail.
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: haugenna on August 31, 2017, 11:17:01 PM
This is in the northeast part of the state?  Famous blacktail sniffer hound in that area you could hire.  Hope it's not too far off the road.  :peep:
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: treeclimber2852 on August 31, 2017, 11:31:51 PM
 Nope. It's in Bumping and depending on what side of 410 he's on he maybe a bit singed. 
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: wheels on August 31, 2017, 11:41:50 PM
mule
Title: Re: White Tail or Muley?
Post by: Greg Mullins on September 04, 2017, 05:03:03 PM
It's freezer filler
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