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Title: Suppressor
Post by: Machias on August 08, 2017, 09:58:54 AM
So I'd like to get a suppressor for my 5.56.  Anyone recommend a good make and model and anyone you would recommend buying it from.  Also is the process still taking months and months?  Thanks for any thoughts and or advice.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: GUscottie on August 08, 2017, 10:09:52 AM
Process takes months and months. I paid for my suppressor last November and I've not gotten my form 4 back yet. As far as suppresors, it all depends on what your gun is.

As far as suppressors, where do you plan on buying from? Look at them in person. What I like, some don't like. I also buy through the blue label program, so I'm kinda biased and buy what I can get a smoking deal on  :IBCOOL:

Silencerco is a good start (Omega is a cool one that can be used on 30 cal and under....). Surefire makes great products.

I know guys that run AAC, Surefire, Silencerco, Gemtech and YHM

I personally own AAC, Silcencerco and Gemtech for 22 cal.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on August 08, 2017, 10:26:07 AM
I'll answer the last part first, unfortunately, yes, it's still taking a minimum of 9 months and likely closer to a year.

All my rifle suppressors are either TBAC (Thunderbeast Arms Company) suppressors or SAS suppressors.  IMO, both make a better than average product but TBAC's customer service is second to none.

I don't know what other calibers and rifles you have but to do all over again, I would never buy a 5.56 specific suppressor, at the least, I'd get a 6.5 suppressor or maybe even a .30 cal suppressor and use it on everything I had .30 cal and smaller.  A .22 cal specific suppressor on a 22 caliber rifle will definitely meter the quietest, BUT, IMO it is very minimally quieter than a 6.5 suppressor or even 30 cal suppressor on a 22 caliber rifle and going with a 6.5 or .30 cal can will obviously give you a MUCH larger range of use and once you start shooting one gun suppressed, you want to shoot all of them suppressed.

If I were looking for a top of the line, light weight and very quiet suppressor, my FIRST choice would be a TBAC Ultra7 or Ultra9 and I'd either get it in 6.5 or .30 cal so I could use one suppressor on multiple rifles. 

The TBAC Ultra9 will be a little quieter than the Ultra7 but, for me, I'd be ok giving up a little noise reduction for the shorter Ultra7.  The TBAC Ultra series of suppressors are some of, if not, the lightest and quietest cans on the market, and again, their customer service is excellent.

As for who to purchase it from, I'd do everything I could to purchase it from a dealer that already has one in stock in your state.  It'll definitely save you a few months wait time purchasing from an in state dealer that has the item in stock.

If you think you'll likely only ever buy one suppressor, I don't know that I'd go to the extra expense of doing a "trust" with the new 41F that went into affect awhile back, the benefit of using a trust isn't that big anymore. 

Shooting suppressed is a he11 of a lot of fun and even though the wait time sucks, in the end, it's definitely worth it. 
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Machias on August 08, 2017, 10:57:27 AM
Awesome, thanks guys!!!  I guess I better start the process!!!  :)
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: CP on August 08, 2017, 10:58:07 AM
Wait time is currently running about 300 days.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Machias on August 08, 2017, 11:01:36 AM
Wait time is currently running about 300 days.


Oh so it's much faster now.   :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on August 08, 2017, 11:24:57 AM
Awesome, thanks guys!!!  I guess I better start the process!!!  :)

In all honesty, just getting the process started, was my biggest hurdle with my first purchase.  I looked into suppressor ownership for years before I actually bought one.  I'd talk to dealers and go look at them but that part about paying for everything 100% up front, then waiting the better part of a year always stopped me from going forward with a purchase, AND, I thought the paper work part was going to be MUCH more difficult than it turned out to be.  After dragging my feet for a few years it dawned on me that if I would have just done it when I first started thinking about it I'd already have the dam thing and that's when I began to proceed into the world of suppressor ownership.  Now, I, ummm, have a few. :yike:
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Machias on August 08, 2017, 12:14:52 PM
 :tup: :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: CaNINE on August 08, 2017, 02:28:32 PM
I appreciate this discussion.  I've been considering picking up a surefire suppressor to use on my Sig716 equipped with a surefire break.  I believe they make a model that attaches directly to the break.  I haven't gotten very far along in the research process and appreciate the tips from you guys.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Mongo Hunter on August 08, 2017, 02:49:40 PM
Looking at one from Silencer Co. along with swapping the muzzle device on my AR.

Yeah its taking 9-12 months currently.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: trophyhunt on August 08, 2017, 03:40:34 PM
I'd wait, if they become easier to buy the price will go up but the market should get flooded.  It should drop in price after a year or two after the laws are relaxed. Just a hunch and thoughts from guys I've talked with about it.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on August 08, 2017, 05:22:12 PM
I'd wait, if they become easier to buy the price will go up but the market should get flooded.  It should drop in price after a year or two after the laws are relaxed. Just a hunch and thoughts from guys I've talked with about it.

I hear this from a lot of people and at first glance it seems like a good idea but in all honesty, the likelihood of the Hearing Protection Act or any Act like it, actually getting passed, is slim and none.  Also, IF the HPA gets passed after you've submitted the $200 for your Form4 stamp the BATF has to refund you your money.

If someone is serious about getting a suppressor, don't wait, get the process started now and before you know it 9-12 months will have passed and you'll already have your suppressor and be shooting with it.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: shootem on August 08, 2017, 07:25:42 PM
I'd wait, if they become easier to buy the price will go up but the market should get flooded.  It should drop in price after a year or two after the laws are relaxed. Just a hunch and thoughts from guys I've talked with about it.

I hear this from a lot of people and at first glance it seems like a good idea but in all honesty, the likelihood of the Hearing Protection Act or any Act like it, actually getting passed, is slim and none.  Also, IF the HPA gets passed after you've submitted the $200 for your Form4 stamp the BATF has to refund you your money.

If someone is serious about getting a suppressor, don't wait, get the process started now and before you know it 9-12 months will have
passed and you'll already have your suppressor and be shooting with it.

You can follow the progress of the Hearing Protection Act by goggling S.59 for the Senate version and H.R.367 for the House version. Little is likely to happen on either bills in the near future.

I agree with b23 buy now. Either nothing happens on the bills and nothing changes or the bills pass. If they do, you will get the $200 for the tax stamp back. Also I expect the market will get flooded with people wanting to buy and simple supply and demad economics will rule. Prices will go up. Manufacturers will not be able to keep up with demand so delays in getting one will be significant. I bought a Silencerco Omega at Ranier Arms in Auburn a couple months ago. If you want a suppressor get it now.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: carvermoe on August 09, 2017, 07:27:04 AM
I just received my stamp last week.  13 month's
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: TheHunt on August 09, 2017, 08:33:14 AM
Not to hijack this thread.  But did you just apply as yourself or did you use one of those gun trust? 
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on August 09, 2017, 09:12:02 AM
Since 41F went into affect on July 13 2016 forming a Trust doesn't still have quite the same benefit/s it used to.  IMO there are still benefits to forming a trust but it's maybe not quite as much as it was before 41F.

As for how long it takes to get approved using a Trust versus filing as an individual, one is no faster than the other.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: GUscottie on August 09, 2017, 10:23:43 AM
Not to hijack this thread.  But did you just apply as yourself or did you use one of those gun trust?

I still use the trust. For a few reasons...but mainly because I have had the trust for a few years and decided to keep everything on one "document"
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: shootem on August 10, 2017, 12:47:52 AM
I did not do a trust but can't tell you the best way to do it.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Machias on August 10, 2017, 08:59:30 AM
It would seem like the big advantage to using a Trust is you can pass them along to your children when you are gone.  If you are an individual and pass away what  is your family required to do with the suppressor(s)?
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: kselkhunter on August 10, 2017, 09:08:16 AM
I'm tagging along as I've been intrigued by suppressors.   I did have one question that I'm hoping doesn't hijack the thread, do you guys think it's feasible to just buy one suppressor and have threaded mounts on multiple rifles and just use one suppressor?  Or is that too much effort/not feasible?  I'm looking at the Thunder Beast Arms Ultra series for 30 cal.  Would rather not have to buy multiple if I can get away with it.

Sorry Machias, don't want to derail your thread.  Please keep us posted on how your application process goes, as I'm considering doing this in this next year.   
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Machias on August 10, 2017, 09:11:52 AM
Sorry Machias, don't want to derail your thread.  Please keep us posted on how your application process goes, as I'm considering doing this in this next year.   

Oh heck no, that's no hijacking a thread, I'm learning right there with you!  Thanks for asking the question!
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on August 10, 2017, 10:20:59 AM
I'm looking at the Thunder Beast Arms Ultra series for 30 cal.  Would rather not have to buy multiple if I can get away with it.

I think more and more people are going this route, buying either a 30cal or 6.5 suppressor and using it on everything that size and smaller.  As you can imagine, you won't get quite the same noise reduction using a suppressor with a larger hole than you would with one that is specific to the caliber you're using it on but, depending on the suppressor, there's not that much difference.  I've shot my SAS Barricade 6.5 can on my 223's and about the only thing I can hear different, is the tone to my ears seems a little different compared to when I have my TBAC 223 can on my 223's and I'm sure if you measured sound levels with a meter it would show different but what a meter can pick up and what our ears can, is a lot different.

If you use a TBAC Ultra7 .30 cal suppressor on anything .30cal and smaller, it'll still be hearing safe without ear protection.

I prefer to go direct thread instead of muzzle break threaded mounting system.  Direct thread is a little lighter setup and you don't have the extra cost of getting a muzzle break for every rifle you plan to put one on.  Also, IMO, direct thread is a cleaner look but that's just my opinion.

Also, you'll want to check with the manufacturer of the suppressor you plan to use as to what they recommend for a minimum barrel diameter and if you have a skinny barrel you may have to go muzzle break attach instead of direct thread.  TBAC is excellent about answering any and all questions whenever I've needed to talk to them.  SAS makes an excellent can but their CS is not even close to TBAC.

If you decide to go with a 6.5 can, check with the manufacturer because it's possible you can use their 6.5 can on 270's as well.  I've talked to SAS about using my 6.5 Barricade on 270's and they said it would be fine so that gives a little more flexibility in a 6.5 can.

I don't know the exact specifics on "willing" a suppressor to a family member after you die, if it was purchased as an individual, but I know you can still do it and I believe there is no extra cost involved to the family member you're willing it to.  Since 41F went into affect the laws for a Trust have changed a little too, now every person you add to your Trust has to submit passport photos and finger print cards in order to be legally added to the trust.  I think they call anyone added to a Trust a "Responsible Person" and they have to go through the same background check as the owner.  The good thing about going the Trust route is anyone you put on your Trust that's gone through the "Responsible Person" ATF BS can use any item on the Trust the same as the owner.  If you file as an individual, someone can still use your suppressor but you have to always be in their presence when they are using it, with a trust, you don't even have to be there.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: h20hunter on August 10, 2017, 10:23:20 AM
Great info!
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Machias on August 10, 2017, 11:39:34 AM
 :tup: :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: kselkhunter on August 10, 2017, 11:49:09 AM
Thank you b23.  This is why I love this site.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on August 10, 2017, 07:12:28 PM
I know there are a lot of guys that are maybe on the fence and not sure they want to put that kind of investment out there then wait the better part of a year before you get to take the thing home and use it.  I was the same way and waited and waited before I took the plunge.  But, once I started shooting some of my guns suppressed and didn't have to wear hearing protection or listen to any muzzle blast, I quickly forget all about the cost or how long I waited to get mine.

My suggestion to anyone that's seriously considering getting a suppressor is this, after you select which centerfire suppressor you want, spend a few hundred dollars more and purchase a rimfire suppressor at the same time.  There are many good ones out there but get one like the TBAC 22 Take Down, Dead Air Mask, or SilencerCo Spectre II because they are rated for all rimfires as well as the 5.7x28 and 17 Hornet.  Shooting rimfires suppressed is sooooo much fun and they are crazy quiet.  Even my little 17 Hornet makes me giggle like a little girl its so quiet and fun to shoot suppressed.

Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Alchase on August 10, 2017, 07:34:25 PM
Some great info in this thread.
10 months wait!  :yike:
After moving to OKC, I had to go to an all day Oklahoma Conceal Carry class, after completion you can apply for a conceal carry license. After a background check and a mandatory 90 day wait, you get your conceal carry license. I was literally going nuts during the waiting period not being able to carry. I must have cleaned all my handguns at least 3-4 times a week just to get them out and fondle them. I felt like someone chopped off a limb and would not give it back for three whole months.


LOL
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on August 10, 2017, 08:23:29 PM

10 months wait!  :yike:

There is no doubt, the wait sucks big time and unfortunately there is just no way around it but the longer you wait, the longer it takes before you have them in hand and shooting quietly. :tup:
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: kselkhunter on August 10, 2017, 08:30:45 PM
@b23

If using suppressor with hunting rifles w/24" and 26" barrels, do you have them cut down or do you just add them to the existing length?   In your opinion?



Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on August 10, 2017, 08:59:04 PM
@b23

If using suppressor with hunting rifles w/24" and 26" barrels, do you have them cut down or do you just add them to the existing length?   In your opinion?

For me, it would depend on the type of hunting I'm using the host gun for and what barrel contour it has.  As you can imagine, the overall length starts getting pretty long when you screw a 7in. can on the end of it and I'm a little nutty about barrel stiffness, in fact I've only got one rifle with a small-ish contour and it's a Hart #4 so it's not super skinny.  I guess it'd largely depend on the gun, the type of hunting I was going to do with it, and the terrain I'd be using it in.  I chase velocity as much as anyone but a couple inches shorter barrel doesn't typically amount to squat and I've yet to have a gun shoot better when the barrel was longer, versus when I had a few inches cut off.  They've all shot the same or sometimes better in their shorter version.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: CP on August 23, 2017, 11:32:26 AM
Wait times are improving.

Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Mongo Hunter on August 23, 2017, 11:59:25 AM
Talked to the ATF Monday and she said I was still a couple months out. Faster than I was expecting honestly. we'll see if they get it to me under 12 months. Bought mine march 11th.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: SGTDuffman on August 23, 2017, 12:54:32 PM
Purchased 9/28/16. All paperwork completed 10/14/16. ATF check cashed 11/21/16. Stamp in 8/19/17.

Way sooner than I'd expected following another forum where people put up daily posts just like what I did here. They were all running just over a year.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: CP on August 23, 2017, 01:35:47 PM
Looks like they have worked through the glut of pre-41F submissions.  It should improve rapidly now.

Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on August 23, 2017, 01:45:32 PM
Talked to the ATF Monday and she said I was still a couple months out. Faster than I was expecting honestly. we'll see if they get it to me under 12 months. Bought mine march 11th.

I think the ATF got buried with Form 4's the months leading up to 41F going into affect back in July 2016 and once they get through that huge backlog caused by that mad scramble, I think there is a chance we could get back to six month wait times again.  That, and the suppressor market is kind of in the toilet right now and everyone either got all stocked up prior to 41F or the extra BS you have to go through because of 41F it has turned people off and they said screw it or they are waiting for the HPA to pass, which IMO is a bad idea because the likelihood of it being passed is verrrrrrrry slim and anyone who is waiting, is just going to prolong their wait.

MH, I don't want to give you false hope, but on my last suppressor I got approved, I called when I thought I should be getting close, believe it was on a thur., the ATF lady I talked to said nope it's still pending so like you I was thinking I had a few more months to go, but then I got a call from my dealer the following Monday and he tells me to come pick it up because they just got the approval back.  As you can imagine, I didn't argue, and was at his shop within the hour.  So hopefully you'll get one of those good kind of calls, real soon. :tup:

Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Mongo Hunter on August 23, 2017, 01:50:41 PM
b23

Yeah I received a call from my dealer that the ATF needed more info from me. So I called and all she needed was my SSN and place of birth to put on my fingerprint card for verification. real easy. She said she was putting it through and should just be "a couple more months". Even if I get it by Christmas its early and ill be happy  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on August 23, 2017, 01:55:34 PM
b23

Yeah I received a call from my dealer that the ATF needed more info from me. So I called and all she needed was my SSN and place of birth to put on my fingerprint card for verification. real easy. She said she was putting it through and should just be "a couple more months". Even if I get it by Christmas its early and ill be happy  :chuckle:

 :tup:

Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 03, 2017, 09:23:56 PM
Purchase a Silencer Co Omega 30. Call it good and run it on everything up to .30 cal. Lots of deals to be found on the net. If you need a bit of help other than us real world guys there's several Google Fu experts here that can fake reality for you!👍
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: CP on October 04, 2017, 10:27:31 AM
So I'd like to get a suppressor for my 5.56.  Anyone recommend a good make and model and anyone you would recommend buying it from.  Also is the process still taking months and months?  Thanks for any thoughts and or advice.

Yes, still takes months & months.  My transfer was just approved today - 208 days from submitting the form 4.  Still need to wait for the approval to make it to the dealer.   

Make that 248 days - I forgot about the 40 days just to cash my check.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: TheHunt on October 04, 2017, 11:26:37 AM
You all just convinced me to get a trust and start the paper work. 

Is there any specific trust I should use? 
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: CP on October 04, 2017, 11:29:50 AM
I won’t recommend a trust.  With the recent law changes they aren’t worth the hassle and the ATF doesn’t seem to know what to do with the trust approvals.   Approval times for trusts are way longer for an individual.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: j_h_nimrod on October 04, 2017, 12:24:10 PM
 
Purchase a Silencer Co Omega 30. Call it good and run it on everything up to .30 cal. Lots of deals to be found on the net. If you need a bit of help other than us real world guys there's several Google Fu experts here that can fake reality for you!👍

 :yeah: :yeah:

I bought one and am very happy with the quality and various adapter options. Not cheap but very quality and you can use it on everything from a .22lr up to a .30 magnum.

I won’t recommend a trust.  With the recent law changes they aren’t worth the hassle and the ATF doesn’t seem to know what to do with the trust approvals.   Approval times for trusts are way longer for an individual.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Mossy on October 07, 2017, 06:49:48 AM
I received mine in May; about a year long process going the trust route.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Mongo Hunter on October 10, 2017, 01:31:01 PM
Just got the call! Tax stamp in!!!!
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on October 10, 2017, 01:53:56 PM
Just got the call! Tax stamp in!!!!

Congrats!!!  Now, the addiction begins... :yike:
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Mongo Hunter on October 10, 2017, 02:02:57 PM
I'm surprisingly ok with this  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on October 14, 2017, 02:47:15 PM
Just got the call! Tax stamp in!!!!

Remember, a review with pics is required!!!  :tup:
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Mongo Hunter on October 16, 2017, 06:28:59 AM
I wasn't expecting this thing till December so I actually haven't purchased the firearm for this to go on yet. I have my eye on a Ruger Mark 4 light. hopefully here soon though.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on October 16, 2017, 11:49:23 AM
I wasn't expecting this thing till December so I actually haven't purchased the firearm for this to go on yet. I have my eye on a Ruger Mark 4 light. hopefully here soon though.

If you're interested, I'm selling my Ruger Mk III Lite.  I installed a VQ trigger in it too.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Mongo Hunter on October 16, 2017, 12:03:34 PM
I almost bought a S&W victory because of the disassembly. This gun will be shot mostly suppressed so ill have to take it apart a lot. the reason I went for the mark 4 is they fixed the one gripe I had with the mark 1-3's and that's the disassembly. it takes you, a friend, a small child and a mallet. But thanks man, if you see a mark 4 bronze for cheap let me know. they seem to run about $500
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on October 16, 2017, 03:01:07 PM
Have you considered the S&W P22 Compact?  They are a great shooting little gun and a lot of fun to shoot suppressed.  I'm selling both of my Rugers because I like shooting the S&W so much more.  The Mk I-III's are actually pretty easy to strip down and put back together after you do it a couple times.  I watched a youtube video before I installed the triggers in mine because I'd heard they can be tricky but once you learn the tricks, they are pretty easy to do.

The S&W feels better to me and is more enjoyable to shoot.  They definitely don't have aftermarket stuff like the Rugers do but they cost quite a bit less than the Ruger too.

You cost me a couple grand this summer so I'm trying to return the favor and help you spend some of your hard earned money.  :tup:
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: huntandjeep on October 16, 2017, 04:16:13 PM
Make sure if you get a Mark 4 it doesn't fall in the recall group. I have a Mark 3 22/45 ( with all the VQ bells and whistles )and A Burris FF3  that I only shoot suppressed and absolutely love it ( also had an M&P and Mosquito ). The mark 3"s are actually pretty easy to assemble/ disassemble once you do it a few times.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Mongo Hunter on October 17, 2017, 06:28:12 AM
Have you considered the S&W P22 Compact?  They are a great shooting little gun and a lot of fun to shoot suppressed.  I'm selling both of my Rugers because I like shooting the S&W so much more.  The Mk I-III's are actually pretty easy to strip down and put back together after you do it a couple times.  I watched a youtube video before I installed the triggers in mine because I'd heard they can be tricky but once you learn the tricks, they are pretty easy to do.

The S&W feels better to me and is more enjoyable to shoot.  They definitely don't have aftermarket stuff like the Rugers do but they cost quite a bit less than the Ruger too.

You cost me a couple grand this summer so I'm trying to return the favor and help you spend some of your hard earned money.  :tup:

Just what I need in my life, someone to help me justify spending more money on gun stuff  :chuckle:. This last year has been a big one, rotated a lot of stock.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: lee on October 17, 2017, 11:45:18 AM
Hi,

Can anyone confirm this:
Was told that a change to the procedure occurred that whenever someone applies to purchase using the Trust method,..... now ... every single person named on the Trust has to produce picture and fingerprint cards for every purchase.

Is this correct?

Thanks,
Lee
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on October 17, 2017, 12:27:38 PM
Hi,

Can anyone confirm this:
Was told that a change to the procedure occurred that whenever someone applies to purchase using the Trust method,..... now ... every single person named on the Trust has to produce picture and fingerprint cards for every purchase.

Is this correct?

Thanks,
Lee



That is correct. 

http://www.myguntrust.com/who-is-a-responsible-person-in-a-gun-trust.html
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: lee on October 17, 2017, 01:09:20 PM
Hi,

Can anyone confirm this:
Was told that a change to the procedure occurred that whenever someone applies to purchase using the Trust method,..... now ... every single person named on the Trust has to produce picture and fingerprint cards for every purchase.

Is this correct?

Thanks,
Lee



That is correct. 

http://www.myguntrust.com/who-is-a-responsible-person-in-a-gun-trust.html

Thx!!!!!
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: JohnVH on October 26, 2017, 03:55:21 PM
so is it worth the trust route? or not? how would you sell a can if you didnt want it anymore?
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: j_h_nimrod on November 05, 2017, 03:22:06 PM
My understanding is that selling a suppressor once you own it is not worth the effort, more trouble then it is worth. Not an expert or do I have experience reselling a suppressor, but that is a question I asked my dealer and his response was that once I own it I better like it :)
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: JohnVH on November 06, 2017, 08:04:55 AM
My understanding is that selling a suppressor once you own it is not worth the effort, more trouble then it is worth. Not an expert or do I have experience reselling a suppressor, but that is a question I asked my dealer and his response was that once I own it I better like it :)

Oh really? Once you get one, your stuck with it?
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on November 06, 2017, 10:08:59 AM
My understanding is that selling a suppressor once you own it is not worth the effort, more trouble then it is worth. Not an expert or do I have experience reselling a suppressor, but that is a question I asked my dealer and his response was that once I own it I better like it :)

Oh really? Once you get one, your stuck with it?

You can sell them yourself just like a shop but the issue is you have to retain it in your possession until the buyers Form 4 gets approved from the ATF.  So you'll have to find a buyer that really trusts you because you will have his money and the suppressor, for the better part of a year, while he/you wait for the Form 4 Tax stamp.

Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Yondering on November 06, 2017, 10:13:05 AM
My understanding is that selling a suppressor once you own it is not worth the effort, more trouble then it is worth. Not an expert or do I have experience reselling a suppressor, but that is a question I asked my dealer and his response was that once I own it I better like it :)

Oh really? Once you get one, your stuck with it?

Well, sorta but not really. They just aren't as easy to sell as a firearm, and the used suppressor market is pretty small because the tax stamps are part of the cost. Here's my understanding of how it works:

In state sales: Buyer pays you in full, and sends in Form 4 paperwork with $200 to the ATF; once that is approved (maybe up to a year these days) you can give the suppressor to the buyer.

Out of state sales IIRC have to go through a dealer, and TWO tax stamps are required at $200 each.

With that in mind suppressor price obviously is a big factor in whether it has any resale value. A $1000 rifle suppressor might be worth re-selling if you don't like it. A $200 rimfire can though - you'd have to give it away for free.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on November 06, 2017, 10:39:26 AM
Out of state sales IIRC have to go through a dealer, and TWO tax stamps are required at $200 each.

An out of state sale goes through a dealer but the transfer to a dealer is done through a Form 3 and there is no cost involved but you do have to wait for a Form 3 to be approved from the ATF before you can transfer the suppressor to the dealer.  At one time the Form 3's were taking up to three months to get approved but I think they are back down to only a couple weeks or maybe less now. 

It's kind of a screwy system and sometimes doesn't make any sense but even when a suppressor goes from the manufacturer to a dealer, they have to get a Form 3 approval.  So say it goes from the manufacturer to a distributor then to a dealer, it will have gone through two Form 3's and if it ever gets transferred to a different dealer again, it has to get a Form 3 approval from the ATF before it can be transferred.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: shootem on November 06, 2017, 10:34:57 PM
I just picked mine up today from Rainier Arms in Auburn. My tax stamp app was signed 5/23/17 as an individual. A guy was there that just got his as a trust app applied for last November. Don't know if that is common.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Yondering on November 07, 2017, 05:25:34 PM
Out of state sales IIRC have to go through a dealer, and TWO tax stamps are required at $200 each.

An out of state sale goes through a dealer but the transfer to a dealer is done through a Form 3 and there is no cost involved but you do have to wait for a Form 3 to be approved from the ATF before you can transfer the suppressor to the dealer.  At one time the Form 3's were taking up to three months to get approved but I think they are back down to only a couple weeks or maybe less now. 

It's kind of a screwy system and sometimes doesn't make any sense but even when a suppressor goes from the manufacturer to a dealer, they have to get a Form 3 approval.  So say it goes from the manufacturer to a distributor then to a dealer, it will have gone through two Form 3's and if it ever gets transferred to a different dealer again, it has to get a Form 3 approval from the ATF before it can be transferred.

Are you sure about that and have you done it? Every credible source I've read indicates that F3 is only for dealer to dealer transfers, not individual to dealer. Maybe that's wrong, but my understanding is a transfer from individual to dealer = F4 +$200, then that dealer to other dealer is F3, then F4 to buyer +$200.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: b23 on November 08, 2017, 09:15:38 AM
Out of state sales IIRC have to go through a dealer, and TWO tax stamps are required at $200 each.

An out of state sale goes through a dealer but the transfer to a dealer is done through a Form 3 and there is no cost involved but you do have to wait for a Form 3 to be approved from the ATF before you can transfer the suppressor to the dealer.  At one time the Form 3's were taking up to three months to get approved but I think they are back down to only a couple weeks or maybe less now. 

It's kind of a screwy system and sometimes doesn't make any sense but even when a suppressor goes from the manufacturer to a dealer, they have to get a Form 3 approval.  So say it goes from the manufacturer to a distributor then to a dealer, it will have gone through two Form 3's and if it ever gets transferred to a different dealer again, it has to get a Form 3 approval from the ATF before it can be transferred.

Are you sure about that and have you done it? Every credible source I've read indicates that F3 is only for dealer to dealer transfers, not individual to dealer. Maybe that's wrong, but my understanding is a transfer from individual to dealer = F4 +$200, then that dealer to other dealer is F3, then F4 to buyer +$200.

I didn't realize you meant if someone bought a suppressor from an out of state private party it would have to go through two Form 4's.  In that case, I don't know so you may be correct.  I've purchased all of my cans, except one, from out of state dealers and it was no big deal, just adds a little time to the process, but I couldn't imagine ever buying a can from an out of state private party.
Title: Re: Suppressor
Post by: Yondering on November 08, 2017, 10:02:35 AM
Yes, the discussion was about resale from one private party to another; I was explaining why that market is limited.

I've bought new suppressors both in state and out of state, that's a different thing.
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