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Title: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on August 24, 2017, 10:57:33 PM
Fun fish to catch, frustrating when they swim by and splash you with their jumping without hooking up.  I haven't tried them yet, but they look decent and will likely be good smoked or canned.  There seems to be a lot of negativity towards eating them.  I'm not sure why since millions of pounds of farmed salmon are probably eaten every year.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 24, 2017, 11:22:09 PM
Damn! One of these days I am going to come visit you.  I I know we have talked about it, but my timing sucks....Only days I am going to get to do anything soon will be elk season.
But someday....
And you will probably be fishing in Florida.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: bowhunterforever on August 25, 2017, 01:14:03 AM
 :tup: they look like they would eat good to me
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: Crunchy on August 25, 2017, 02:55:14 AM
Nice haul.  Break out the smoker you got work to do.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 25, 2017, 09:29:05 AM
They are absolutely delicious!  Use any way you would a Chinook!
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on August 25, 2017, 10:50:07 AM
Only got one today.   :(  A boat next to us caught about 8 though.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 25, 2017, 12:00:17 PM
better head back out
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: James on August 25, 2017, 12:04:18 PM
Good work.

Anything in their stomachs?
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: DaleVR on August 25, 2017, 12:05:27 PM
Was there a lot of guys targeting these fish? Thinking of heading out tomorrow.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: cbond3318 on August 25, 2017, 12:33:59 PM
Nice haul!
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on August 25, 2017, 12:53:16 PM
Was there a lot of guys targeting these fish? Thinking of heading out tomorrow.

Over fifty boats and lots of jerks....
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: WAcoueshunter on August 25, 2017, 12:55:55 PM
Was there a lot of guys targeting these fish? Thinking of heading out tomorrow.

Over fifty boats and lots of jerks....

Think I'm gonna head to the west side tomorrow for the morning tide change.  But might take a crack at the Atlantics on our way home.  How are you fishing for them? 
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on August 25, 2017, 01:20:19 PM
Small Point Wilson Darts seemed to work well for other boats today, guys next to us were using a 1 3/4" chartreuse and green one. The other boat doing well today was throwing a small, maybe 2" heavy spoon of some kind in chartreuse.  Yesterday my friend caught most of our fish on a larger Dart.  I caught mine on a Silver Horde Kingfisher spoon with a small weight ahead of it on a leader to give it some weight.  I had a lot of follow-ups on this as well.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: James on August 26, 2017, 10:06:24 AM
Went out last night after work for a few hrs and bonked 9. Black and yellow mepps #4 spinner got most of our fish.

I will be honest, it was a lot more fun that I expected. They fight much harder than I though pen fish would.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: DaleVR on August 26, 2017, 09:23:14 PM
Boated 17 today lost a few more, lots of fun for my 10 yr old. they do have a nice fight to them .Fun day! easy 100 boats out there.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: HuntnFishnRyan on August 26, 2017, 11:34:03 PM
i heard powerbait was working
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: DaleVR on August 27, 2017, 06:39:21 AM
 :tup:
i heard powerbait was working
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on August 27, 2017, 12:01:03 PM
These fish taste great! They are silky textured with the high fat content. 

We did our biweekly seining at Watmough Bight on Lopez Friday (Kwiaht.org) and saw a few fish surfacing near where we usually do our third set.  I swung a little wider with the boat to see if we might get a few and ended up pulling up 56 of them.   :yike:

These fish looked great, only one had the damaged looking mouth, which from an expert opinion was likely caused by the fish catching its jaw in the net when it was young. Not a single fish had any sea lice on it, so much for the parasite argument....

None fileted on the beach had anything in it's stomach though a friend I gave one to said there was a Sandlance in one of his.

I ended up with ten of the fish on the bow for a total of 57 pounds of filets.   :tup:

ANYONE CATCHING THESE, PLEASE LET ME OR KWIAHT.ORG KNOW WHAT THE STOMACH CONTENTS ARE IN YOUR FISH, EVEN IF THERE IS NOTHING.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: h20hunter on August 27, 2017, 12:29:38 PM
 :tup: loki should be getting a bounty!
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: GUscottie on August 27, 2017, 02:12:19 PM
Don't shoot me for asking this (which may already be known)....are you running a sein net in the salt? Are you a commercial guy, or because they are needing to be killed, you're allowed to use this method?

If you're seining them, that's awesome! I have to admit, it's something I've always wanted to try.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: Tbar on August 27, 2017, 03:26:29 PM
Loki,
Are you a part of KWAIHT?
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on August 27, 2017, 03:28:14 PM
Loki,
Are you a part of KWAIHT?

Yes, I'm the boat guy for setting the net and transportation around the islands.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: Gringo31 on August 28, 2017, 11:46:53 AM
Glad to see you guys having an enjoyable experience on the water!


Opportunity knocks  :tup:
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: boneaddict on August 28, 2017, 12:31:36 PM
I'm just jealous, because I wish it was my freezer.  The state of our fisheries is abysmal.  Nice job Loki.   Eat well!
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on August 28, 2017, 03:12:44 PM
We are going to do some more seining targeting these fish on this Friday at 4 at Watmough Bight, anyone is welcome to come.  Of course there are no guarantees we will catch enough to share.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: James on August 28, 2017, 03:43:05 PM
Any one try this?

I was surprised no one I saw was floating powerbait off the bottom like a put and take trout lake.

http://salmonuniversity.com/archives/6864

Given that brown powerbait probably looks like their food pellet seems like it should match the hatch.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: h20hunter on August 28, 2017, 03:49:16 PM
Get a 50 lb bag of fish food pellets and get a school going! Legal?
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: 7mmfan on August 28, 2017, 05:04:45 PM
Get a 50 lb bag of fish food pellets and get a school going! Legal?

As far as I know, I believe the WDFW bulletin said no restrictions.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on August 28, 2017, 06:27:21 PM
Any one try this?

I was surprised no one I saw was floating powerbait off the bottom like a put and take trout lake.

http://salmonuniversity.com/archives/6864

Given that brown powerbait probably looks like their food pellet seems like it should match the hatch.

I've heard of people using powerbait successfully, I tried catfish pellets under a bobber, but they just swam by it.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: h20hunter on August 28, 2017, 06:28:50 PM
Nw sportsman gave a tip....take along a little pea gravel....toss a few handfuls to simulate their feed and then cast to them.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: bearmanric on August 28, 2017, 08:32:10 PM
Map were they have been caught new. Rick

http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/salmon/atlantic_catch_map.php
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: pd on August 28, 2017, 09:56:01 PM
Map were they have been caught new. Rick

http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/salmon/atlantic_catch_map.php

Funny map.  I see a report from Dabob Bay.  Hmmm.  Okay.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: RB on August 28, 2017, 10:37:13 PM
Any one try this?

I was surprised no one I saw was floating powerbait off the bottom like a put and take trout lake.

http://salmonuniversity.com/archives/6864

Given that brown powerbait probably looks like their food pellet seems like it should match the hatch.

I've heard of people using powerbait successfully, I tried catfish pellets under a bobber, but they just swam by it.


Yeah I tried that yesterday when I ran out for just a couple hours and it did not work for me, we anchored up inside Secret Harbor in 30 feet of water had plenty of fish marked as they swam under us but no luck. Also tried a small dart for a bit, not too many people where we were but lots of nets out in the shallows.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: boneaddict on August 29, 2017, 08:23:45 AM
We are going to do some more seining targeting these fish on this Friday at 4 at Watmough Bight, anyone is welcome to come.  Of course there are no guarantees we will catch enough to share.
Generous offer, I can't, but Thank you
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: Alchase on August 29, 2017, 10:42:42 AM
The only salmon you can get here in OKC is Atlantic, unless you go to a specialty store and pay for King, Silver or Sockeye.
I bought 10 lbs of King fillets for my wife's birthday (at $19.25 LB) when you put those next to the store bought Atlantics, the store bought Atlantics are very pale colored (with coloring added)  they also have a very slight taste, not a bad taste, just not as pronounced of a flavor as the  King, Silver or Sockeye. 
Those fish Loki shows are much better looking then the store bought version.
The Atlantics smoke up very nice.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: singleshot12 on August 30, 2017, 11:18:13 AM
Looks like a couple good schools of Atlantics have escaped the tribal nets and found their way into area 8-1 and part of 8-2.
 Too bad we (the rec.fishers) can't fish for them.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: huntnphool on August 30, 2017, 11:41:53 AM
Looks like a couple good schools of Atlantics have escaped the tribal nets and found their way into area 8-1 and part of 8-2.
 Too bad we (the rec.fishers) can't fish for them.

 Link?
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: Stein on August 30, 2017, 12:43:15 PM
Wdfw has a YouTube video on catching them.  If MA10 wasn't doing well, I would be tempted to give it a shot.


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Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on August 30, 2017, 10:34:42 PM
It looks like the nets have done a good job of cleaning out the bay by the pens.  They've even got a net on Decatur now.  :(

Look to the shallow bays for jumpers if you still want to find some.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: RB on August 30, 2017, 10:57:04 PM
It looks like the nets have done a good job of cleaning out the bay by the pens.  They've even got a net on Decatur now.  :(

Look to the shallow bays for jumpers if you still want to find some.

I was wondering about that there were an awful lot of them the other day
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: Whitenuckles on September 12, 2017, 10:01:54 AM
 They are being caught in the skykomish.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: Mark_L on September 14, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
They are being caught in the skykomish.

I'm heading out to the Sky near Monroe with my kids to see if there are any humpies around tomorrow.  Any more details on the Atlantics in this Sky?  Thanks in advance if you are willing to share.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on September 14, 2017, 08:37:28 PM
Didn't see any signs near Sultan on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: Sakko300wsm on September 15, 2017, 08:33:31 PM
Didn't see any signs near Sultan on Tuesday.
Good!
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: huntnphool on September 18, 2017, 09:07:49 AM
 What's the problem with potentially seeing them in the Sky? :dunno:
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on September 18, 2017, 06:50:42 PM
What's the problem with potentially seeing them in the Sky? :dunno:

 :yeah:  Just another fish to catch, it's not like they are competing for food, cross-breeding, or even breeding at all.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: WAcoueshunter on September 18, 2017, 08:13:13 PM
Wouldn't they be eating smolts in the river?
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on September 18, 2017, 08:52:19 PM
As far as I know, they are not eating anything.  All of the stomachs have been empty, at least during the first couple weeks.  I think juvenile salmon have a lot more to worry about than these Atlantics like trout, spiny ray fish(where present), Kingfishers, Mergansers, Terns, Cormorants, etc.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: huntnphool on December 18, 2017, 05:00:56 PM
 Was listening to guys on the radio Saturday talking about the Skagit opening for catch and release steelhead. They said some Atlantics have been showing up in the Indians nets upriver. :o

...but not to worry, they can't spawn right? :chuckle:
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: Mfowl on December 18, 2017, 05:38:17 PM
Was listening to guys on the radio Saturday talking about the Skagit opening for catch and release steelhead. They said some Atlantics have been showing up in the Indians nets upriver. :o

...but not to worry, they can't spawn right? :chuckle:

Lets hope they do spawn, maybe we'll have something to fish for in the future.  :yike:
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 18, 2017, 05:53:00 PM
DNR pulled the lease for the operation in Port Angeles.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on December 18, 2017, 08:26:33 PM
Was listening to guys on the radio Saturday talking about the Skagit opening for catch and release steelhead. They said some Atlantics have been showing up in the Indians nets upriver. :o

...but not to worry, they can't spawn right? :chuckle:

They will not be spawning, the few that haven't starved to death are too young to spawn!  I'd like to see evidence that there are still any of these surviving.  Weeks after the escape, there was little evidence that they actually knew how to swallow a fish as all stomachs were empty.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: huntnphool on December 18, 2017, 10:47:45 PM
Was listening to guys on the radio Saturday talking about the Skagit opening for catch and release steelhead. They said some Atlantics have been showing up in the Indians nets upriver. :o

...but not to worry, they can't spawn right? :chuckle:

They will not be spawning, the few that haven't starved to death are too young to spawn!  I'd like to see evidence that there are still any of these surviving.  Weeks after the escape, there was little evidence that they actually knew how to swallow a fish as all stomachs were empty.

 Just telling you what was said on the radio Saturday. :dunno:
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: lokidog on December 18, 2017, 10:51:27 PM
Was listening to guys on the radio Saturday talking about the Skagit opening for catch and release steelhead. They said some Atlantics have been showing up in the Indians nets upriver. :o

...but not to worry, they can't spawn right? :chuckle:

They will not be spawning, the few that haven't starved to death are too young to spawn!  I'd like to see evidence that there are still any of these surviving.  Weeks after the escape, there was little evidence that they actually knew how to swallow a fish as all stomachs were empty.

 Just telling you what was said on the radio Saturday. :dunno:

How would anyone know what shows up in the Indian nets anyways, they don't tell anyone the truth....
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: 7mmfan on December 19, 2017, 09:30:43 AM
The real problem I see with that statement from them about more Atlantics than Chums in their nets, is that there could possibly be more escaped net pen fish in one river system than the 2nd most prolific wild salmon to Pinks. There should be thousands and thousands of chums in there right now.

I used to fish the upper Skagit this time of year and the banks were lined with spawned out chums for miles, and there would still be thousands more spawning. I was up there this weekend, in places where you couldn't cast before because you'd just snag one spawner after another. Nothing. Not a fish.

The Indians are complaining that there are more atlantics in their nets than chums, because they have netted the chums to a point where that's possible. Its sickening. They were netting chums for a chum hatchery for God's sake! There should never be a need for a chum hatchery! No wonder our river systems can't support wild fish anymore, there's no nutrients being put back into them in the fall. All the habitat work in the world won't matter if the system doesn't have the nutrients to support salmon fry and steelhead smolt when they hatch.

I'm disgusted, sorry, rant over.
Title: Re: Atlantics
Post by: Gobble Doc on December 19, 2017, 01:32:00 PM
The real problem I see with that statement from them about more Atlantics than Chums in their nets, is that there could possibly be more escaped net pen fish in one river system than the 2nd most prolific wild salmon to Pinks. There should be thousands and thousands of chums in there right now.

I used to fish the upper Skagit this time of year and the banks were lined with spawned out chums for miles, and there would still be thousands more spawning. I was up there this weekend, in places where you couldn't cast before because you'd just snag one spawner after another. Nothing. Not a fish.

The Indians are complaining that there are more atlantics in their nets than chums, because they have netted the chums to a point where that's possible. Its sickening. They were netting chums for a chum hatchery for God's sake! There should never be a need for a chum hatchery! No wonder our river systems can't support wild fish anymore, there's no nutrients being put back into them in the fall. All the habitat work in the world won't matter if the system doesn't have the nutrients to support salmon fry and steelhead smolt when they hatch.

I'm disgusted, sorry, rant over.

Completely agree. The chum runs of at least 10-15 years ago seem all but over. But wasn't there a trade of some sort along the way to allow for more Chinook fishing in exchange for chums? I recall something about this a number of years ago. In any event, it's a bummer that there aren't those big dogs to fish for anymore around Thanksgiving. Depressing.
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