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Title: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: klikboom on September 11, 2017, 05:06:02 PM
Me and my hunting buddy chase blacktails all fall every year and end up with forkies and spikes so instead of getting better we're trying out better hunting lands :)

I'm hoping to get some guidance from those of you that hunt the greener pastures of MT for rifle.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: wooltie on September 11, 2017, 10:23:50 PM
tag
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 12, 2017, 06:00:33 AM
Make sure you have property line gps like onx.   Many BM are couple hour hunts not big areas - you may see 200 people have logged in during the season - many are bird hunters.  You can still get a big buck by blacktail standards.  22" is a shooter.  Stay in motel that time of year. If you want to go deep look national forest. Less deer but possible trophy. central Eastern MT pretty easy going gets tougher as you head west.

Keep eyes out for area of deep sage with a way to glass a couple miles of it.

Lots of game to see. Great state. Manage expectations enjoy the experience.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Whitenuckles on September 12, 2017, 10:15:11 AM
I've hunted MT for the last 8 years. My biggest tip, don't shoot the first decent buck you see. There's lots of them out there, and every day will show you new bucks in the area. The week of Thanksgiving is the time we go every year, they are rutting hard and super dumb. Get a GPS chip and hunt hard. You'll do fine
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Bigshooter on September 12, 2017, 06:28:50 PM
Further east.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: NRA4LIFE on September 12, 2017, 06:47:47 PM
For shear volumes, I'd hunt area 7 ( I know it's a long drive).  The BLM lands have become somewhat crowded lately, but there are so many deer, it is a sure thing.  The BM ranches can be fantastic.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: klikboom on September 12, 2017, 07:51:54 PM
You guys don't seem to hang much value on the timber. Plenty of big bucks in open spaces then? I'll start shopping for the more eastern BMM's.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: jburkett on September 12, 2017, 09:13:32 PM
Tagging along
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: opdinkslayer on September 13, 2017, 07:12:26 AM
If you want to see lots of deer go to the eastern part of the state. BM can be good if your in the right one and there are some sign in at the gate places that get overlooked. Don't overlook public land in the breaks area. It can get kinda nasty in some of it and not too many people like to crawl down in there and look in the nooks & crannies where the deer are.

It's a fun hunt just don't expect a giant you see in the mags or on tv although a 150-170 type buck is possible. We went 3 for 3 last year in 3 days and they were a 20" 4x4,22"3x3 & 24"4x4. Not huge but good respectable Montana bucks. I will be tagging along as head scout/camp cook this year with my sons,nephews & father in law as I applied in another state instead. We wall tent camped last year in late nov in the little belts for elk 1st and the breaks for deer the 2nd half of the trip. Weather was fine and camp is my preference. If it gets super cold then a motel is the best choice. Have fun & good luck.  :twocents: :tup:
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: 300rum on September 13, 2017, 07:25:11 AM
I would try to find something at least an hour or so drive from a town.  An hour on gravel roads, so maybe 30+ miles (at least, more is better) from any town with more than a gas station and a casino (you will know the casino reference if you have spent much time in Montana).   

Make the weekend part of your travel, hunt during the week.  Good property gets pressure on the weekends.  Don't go on Veterans day weekend, everyone else does too.

Try to stay close to where you hunt.  During that time of year, a road that takes a 1/2 hour to drive to town can take three times that overnight with snow (bad) or rain (really, really, bad).  The weather is good for hunting, miserable for travel. 

The really good BM areas that are reservation only are already booked up for the rut with guys who go back to the same spot every year.  You may be able to get on a good ranch but they may put you on a "pasture" that isn't any good.     
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Southpole on September 13, 2017, 07:34:26 AM
Tagging along
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Bigshooter on September 13, 2017, 07:39:34 AM
You guys don't seem to hang much value on the timber. Plenty of big bucks in open spaces then? I'll start shopping for the more eastern BMM's.

I'm sure its the blacktail hunter in you that wants to hunt timber.  I use to be the same way. 
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Harbor_hunter on September 14, 2017, 09:16:35 AM
Tagging along too. Every year I say I'd like to go out of state, and then it never happens!  I think Montana deer hunting would be fun to try.  Sounds like plenty of deer.  We don't look for trophies, just a good time and the chance to fill tags.   Thanks to everyone who has shared info so far. 
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: opdinkslayer on September 15, 2017, 06:01:07 AM
 Every year you talk about doing a hunt but don't is a year lost. Don't waste the young and vigorous ones procrastinating. Find a partner or two,save your money thru the year,apply and go. Montana is a bit more expensive but a great place to start if you want liberal seasons during the rut, see lots of deer and fill tags. Once you get bit by the bug you will be looking at different species and states and wondering why ya didn't do it sooner. :tup:
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: blacktailhunter on September 15, 2017, 11:43:31 AM
Dinkslayer is right on with his answer.  Every year you say "next year I'm going and don't follow through" is a year missed and you never know when your health is going to turn.  Yes the cost is a little more but well worth the overall experience.

To answer the OP questions.  I've only been to Montana once and we exclusively hunted Block Management, saw plenty of animals just going that route and never saw hardly anyone else.  Just hopped sign in property to property. We stayed in a hotel in Havre, 1st couple of days would have been fine to camp but then a snow storm rolled in and I'm sure glad we had room. That place became miserable very fast.

Good luck in your research and have fun on your trip
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: klikboom on September 16, 2017, 10:02:23 AM
Was browsing onx last night, that is a cool map program found lots and lots of BLM land and state land, looking near border of region 5 and region 7, draws have bushes and timber and some of the local summits as well. Looks like great deer country.

So there is a bunch of private "association" land surrounding some of these BLM areas, should I write a letter to the address they have on file requesting walk in hunt access? Do people do that?

I'm going to try to get a reservation or two if I can, found some smaller units. It is not too far from some major highways and towns but hoping it's not too busy for weekday hunting.

Is there any way to pick up a second meat deer via doe tag? I'd really like to stock up on meat. I see there are some deer B licenses left but that appears to be a totally different license.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: fishsticks on September 16, 2017, 11:36:17 AM
Was browsing onx last night, that is a cool map program found lots and lots of BLM land and state land, looking near border of region 5 and region 7, draws have bushes and timber and some of the local summits as well. Looks like great deer country.

So there is a bunch of private "association" land surrounding some of these BLM areas, should I write a letter to the address they have on file requesting walk in hunt access? Do people do that?

I'm going to try to get a reservation or two if I can, found some smaller units. It is not too far from some major highways and towns but hoping it's not too busy for weekday hunting.

Is there any way to pick up a second meat deer via doe tag? I'd really like to stock up on meat. I see there are some deer B licenses left but that appears to be a totally different license.

If you don't already have it, call fish wildlife and parks to get a copy of the current block management book.  It's also online; but it explains block management, the types of access, where it is and how to gain access.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Wingin it on September 16, 2017, 12:21:31 PM
Some B tags can be purchased OTC and some are draws. You will have to determine what area you want to hunt first and then look at the regulations.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: klikboom on September 18, 2017, 11:40:04 AM
Was browsing onx last night, that is a cool map program found lots and lots of BLM land and state land, looking near border of region 5 and region 7, draws have bushes and timber and some of the local summits as well. Looks like great deer country.

So there is a bunch of private "association" land surrounding some of these BLM areas, should I write a letter to the address they have on file requesting walk in hunt access? Do people do that?

I'm going to try to get a reservation or two if I can, found some smaller units. It is not too far from some major highways and towns but hoping it's not too busy for weekday hunting.

Is there any way to pick up a second meat deer via doe tag? I'd really like to stock up on meat. I see there are some deer B licenses left but that appears to be a totally different license.

If you don't already have it, call fish wildlife and parks to get a copy of the current block management book.  It's also online; but it explains block management, the types of access, where it is and how to gain access.

What i was trying to say is the private land is not block management land, just private land with a published owner.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: klikboom on September 19, 2017, 09:23:49 AM
Made two two-day reservations for different BMM, takes care of Monday-Thursday and thinking thurs-Sunday maybe just hitting other public land (blm/state) as needed.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: opdinkslayer on September 19, 2017, 02:24:36 PM
Beings you said in the OP that you are BT hunters usually killing spikes & forkies, you guys will be lucky to stay off the trigger long enough to make it 4 days. :chuckle: :tup: It will be a blast for ya just don't put too much pressure yourselves. Should be lots of deer and lots of opportunity to put your tags on one.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: JLS on September 19, 2017, 02:27:34 PM
Send me a PM if you want and I'll see if I can help you out.  I don't want to discuss specifics in this thread.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: klikboom on September 20, 2017, 05:37:57 PM
Haha that's what I was thinking! I'm already having dreams about it. I dreamt I shot a wide 4pt then ran up to it, it was super wide and all the points were 1" tall. I was like "nooooooo. It's just a dream. It's just a dream. It's just a dream."
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: opdinkslayer on September 20, 2017, 07:11:41 PM
Just pray you don't get snow and -20 like we did our first go around. We still got deer but it wasn't fun by any means. Last years mild temps and light winds were perfect. :tup:
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: dune on September 28, 2017, 01:29:41 PM
Don't worry - 20 in MT is like 30 above here just bring warm clothing
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: opdinkslayer on September 29, 2017, 05:45:09 AM
 :chuckle: yup right up in tell the wind blows and then it don't matter how much you have on because your eyeballs froze shut. I will be praying for moderate weather. :tup:
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: klikboom on October 05, 2017, 03:28:25 PM
What do you guys do for boots in -20? The only thing I'm thinking is like a neoprene wrap for my boots. Don't feel like buying those battery powered socks
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 05, 2017, 03:39:21 PM
Electric socks are great if you're mostly in a stand. Not so great if you're doing demanding hiking and climbing all day long.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: opdinkslayer on October 06, 2017, 06:33:15 AM
I wore my kenetreks, a couple pair of good socks & gaiters. The gaiters really help imo. When its that cold you can't sit still for very long and if the air is moving at all even be outside the truck for very long. Give me teens at nite and 40's during the day and I will be happy. :tup:
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Gamblin Guy on October 06, 2017, 07:19:18 AM
 :yeah:

We were in MT in November 2014 when it was -20, after it gets below about -5 its just cold.....

As for boots/socks, I would stay away from neoprene, your feet will sweat which will only make the cold worse.  Get yourself some good wool socks and wear your regular hunting boots.  Walking a lot at -20 isn't much fun....once you kill something at those temps, its amazing how much you can sweat dragging though.

Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: 7mmfan on October 06, 2017, 08:21:59 AM
I'd pretty much mirror these last 2 guys opinions. Neoprene doesn't breathe at all, so your feet will eventually get clammy and then get SUPER cold. I wore gators last year for the first time and was impressed at how well they insulated my legs and feet but still allowed some breathability.

I've only hunted in 0 degree weather a couple times, but that's downright cold. If you kept moving, it was fine, but if you stopped, it got cold fast. -20 is uncharted territory but my gut tells me that that could be downright dangerous to get any to far from the truck for any to long. One nice thing about those temps is the deer will be easy to find. They'll be moving all over on south facing hillsides.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: wooltie on October 06, 2017, 08:41:06 AM
Having neither hunted nor visited MT in November, what are the odds that weather will be down right down to 0 in mid-November, around Miles City?

Goi
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Gamblin Guy on October 06, 2017, 08:46:27 AM
Having neither hunted nor visited MT in November, what are the odds that weather will be down right down to 0 in mid-November, around Miles City?

Goi

I have been out there every year since 2011, typically between Veteran's Day and Thanksgiving, the last two years during that time frame temps were in the 60's.  Basically, plan for everything and take clothing and gear for both extremes, it can change over night....
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: wooltie on October 06, 2017, 08:48:42 AM
Thanks, I'm going with boom around region 5/7.  I think we're going the second week of Nov.

I've hunted in 15-20 degree weather here in WA, but never below zero.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Gamblin Guy on October 06, 2017, 08:52:57 AM
Good luck, my days of hunting in WA are fewer and fewer every year.  Like I said, once temps hit -5 its just cold.  My neighbor killed a cow elk the morning it was -20, sun was out, cold crisp morning.  Walking sucked but after we got her cleaned out we stood there for quite a while with our gloves off and coats off, it really didn't feel that cold.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: wooltie on October 06, 2017, 08:55:11 AM
We've never hunted deer in MT and want to make a trip to 'see what all the fuss is about'.  I've never hunted mulies for that matter --  just these things called deer that I rarely see in western WA timber jungles.

I hope to have the opportunity to not shoot the first four point I see.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Gamblin Guy on October 06, 2017, 09:07:19 AM
Don't load your gun the first couple days, it helps.   :chuckle:

Take good glass, we spend hours glassing, sometimes before we even get out of the truck. 
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: wooltie on October 06, 2017, 09:08:37 AM
Don't load your gun the first couple days, it helps.   :chuckle:

Take good glass, we spend hours glassing, sometimes before we even get out of the truck.

In your experience, do you glass for hours just to find deer, or to find 'the deer' to go after?
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on October 06, 2017, 09:16:42 AM
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Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Gamblin Guy on October 06, 2017, 09:30:56 AM
Don't load your gun the first couple days, it helps.   :chuckle:

Take good glass, we spend hours glassing, sometimes before we even get out of the truck.

In your experience, do you glass for hours just to find deer, or to find 'the deer' to go after?

We glass until we find the one we want to go after.  It can be big country, we hunt region 4 closer to the breaks, glassing (from the diesel campfire if its -20) is the only way to go.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: 300rum on October 06, 2017, 10:01:00 AM
1000 gram boots and Smartwool Merino wool socks work just fine even if i'm not moving all that much.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: deerslyr on October 06, 2017, 12:24:41 PM

Is there any way to pick up a second meat deer via doe tag? I'd really like to stock up on meat. I see there are some deer B licenses left but that appears to be a totally different license.

Pick up some whitetail B tags, they taste better than mule deer any how. The mule deer get hammered on public ground and we had another rough winter last year. I have no idea why FWP issues mule deer doe tags for region 7 that are valid on public.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: opdinkslayer on October 07, 2017, 07:34:11 AM
Don't load your gun the first couple days, it helps.   :chuckle:

Take good glass, we spend hours glassing, sometimes before we even get out of the truck.

In your experience, do you glass for hours just to find deer, or to find 'the deer' to go after?

We do lots of glassing even at home hunting blacktails but it's definately a must on the breaks. The ground is far deeper and broken up than meets the eye and can really hide deer when you think theres nothing there. Walking down ridges and changing prospective is very effective.

 I've hunted it twice and a buddy 4 times the last 5 years and of the dozens of people over those years we have been over there with or at the same time from our area  nobody has not filled a tag. Some were smaller 3 pt meat bucks but many 18-24 inch 3x4 & 4 pts with a 27'' 3 point being the biggest. Be patient, don't be afraid to get out of the pickup and use your optics. Set a goal each day on whats a shooter and stick to it. Everyone I know that jumps the gun on pulling the trigger always sees a bigger one while helping other guys glass. It's a fun hunt but not really a trophy hunt. But if ya put out the effort and stay patient ya never know what ya might luck into. :dunno: :tup:
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Thenewguy on October 07, 2017, 08:59:11 AM
Don't load your gun the first couple days, it helps.   :chuckle:

Take good glass, we spend hours glassing, sometimes before we even get out of the truck.

In your experience, do you glass for hours just to find deer, or to find 'the deer' to go after?

We do lots of glassing even at home hunting blacktails but it's definately a must on the breaks. The ground is far deeper and broken up than meets the eye and can really hide deer when you think theres nothing there. Walking down ridges and changing prospective is very effective.

 I've hunted it twice and a buddy 4 times the last 5 years and of the dozens of people over those years we have been over there with or at the same time from our area  nobody has not filled a tag. Some were smaller 3 pt meat bucks but many 18-24 inch 3x4 & 4 pts with a 27'' 3 point being the biggest. Be patient, don't be afraid to get out of the pickup and use your optics. Set a goal each day on whats a shooter and stick to it. Everyone I know that jumps the gun on pulling the trigger always sees a bigger one while helping other guys glass. It's a fun hunt but not really a trophy hunt. But if ya put out the effort and stay patient ya never know what ya might luck into. :dunno: :tup:


I highly disagree with there not being trophies there. They are just deep
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: opdinkslayer on October 07, 2017, 04:59:08 PM
Not lookin for an argument on what a trophy class bucks are but Montana produces very few book deer and that is what I meant by trophy hunt. A personal trophy is very possible. :)
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Thenewguy on October 07, 2017, 06:34:10 PM
You are kidding right? Locals don't care about putting their deer in the books. I see deer each year that would easily surpass the best deer (of the year) in most states. Because you haven't seen them, doesn't mean they don't exist. There just isn't a state hat offers better deer hunting otc and on public land.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Gamblin Guy on October 07, 2017, 09:51:34 PM
You are kidding right? Locals don't care about putting their deer in the books. I see deer each year that would easily surpass the best deer (of the year) in most states. Because you haven't seen them, doesn't mean they don't exist. There just isn't a state hat offers better deer hunting otc and on public land.

We taped a deer at the local meat cutters last year that was over 30, the local that shot it was just going to cut the horns off because his wife didn't want another head on the wall.  We got talking and he showed me that two he had shoulder mounts done with......one was a non-typical gnarly old buck that I couldn't begin to guess what the score was, the other made the one in the back of his pickup look small....book score doesn't mean much to a lot of these guys, I guessing there are a lot of "book deer" killed in a lot of western states that never get scored.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: opdinkslayer on October 08, 2017, 07:52:33 AM
Your right about one thing, Montana does provide the most opportunity and public land to hunt mule deer during the rut. I would guess those factors and some crappy genetical traits make my statement closer to reality than yours. Regardless, these gentlemen in this thread and my clan will go to Montana and have a great time looking for the best bucks we can dig up. :) :tup:
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: dune on October 10, 2017, 02:04:49 PM
One week and I'm on my way home to MT the snow is on the ground and bucks are moving dress warm and good luck  :hello:
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: klikboom on October 10, 2017, 09:06:07 PM
Awesome! Hope to hear of your success, if you don't mind report back with any tips relevant to this year that you learn. Good hunting!
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Southpole on October 11, 2017, 06:40:07 PM
So, what's the laws on atv/orvs on forest service, highways and county roads in Montana. So far what I get is you have to be street legal (lights and blinkers and such) to be on forest service and if you're on designated off road trails you have to buy a $27 permit. Anyone want to chime in on that? Hope I'm not thread jacking too much  :(
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Gamblin Guy on October 11, 2017, 07:48:26 PM
Best bet is probably to call FWP, unlike some of the folks at our WDFW, they are more than helpful when answering questions.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: dune on October 12, 2017, 01:08:07 PM
You use to be able to drive them in town I'm not sure any more
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: Southpole on October 12, 2017, 01:36:45 PM
The ol' ball and chain and his friends will be hunting the Wise River area. My guy is bringing his Honda dual sport/enduro to be on the safe side of any law and be able to ride the Wisdom/Wise River OHV area, forest service and highways, but his buddies want to bring their side by side. I don't know how much and where they're going to be able to use the side by side. I guess they'll find out when the get there :dunno:. Anyone else heading to that area?
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: CaNINE on October 13, 2017, 06:25:34 PM
Making my first trip to Montana this year.  Leaving next Wednesday bound for SE of Miles City.  Reserved some days at a private ranch through the block management program.  Had to sit on the phone hitting redial for an hour but finally got through.  Also hunting the Custer-Gallatin NF and surrounding country.  Keeping expectations realistic and looking forward to seeing and hunting new country with my dad.  He's getting close to 70 now so looking forward to making some good memories with this experience.
Title: Re: First M-T Muley Trip
Post by: dune on October 14, 2017, 02:31:04 PM
Don't shoot the first buck you see your not hunting WA you should see 10 to 50 bucks a day good luck