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Title: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: MAVsled on September 19, 2017, 07:53:13 PM
a partner of mine, archery hunting on any bull tag, came across this treestand in unit 356.
we thought a treestand like this would be illegal on national forest, public land.
by looks of it, designed for muzzle or rifle hunter, looking at location of the shooting ports.
Pretty new too, as wood used in construction is not very old.

he's going to check on it closer tomorrow, give it a good look, perhaps used by a biologist or research box, or other government use.
either that or some southern guy trying to whitetail hunt  :chuckle:
he may GPS its location, turn in to USFS.

for his trip, he's been there since September 9 opener. But bulls, and cows, quieted down to almost nothing since Monday Sept 11.
Woods in his area are still quiet of elk noise today Even with the weather change and dusting of snow 500' above his elevation.(http://)
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Tinmaniac on September 19, 2017, 08:00:59 PM
Whoever painted it should be arrested.Baaahaaaaaa!
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 19, 2017, 08:01:53 PM
sure its public land? just askin
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: ghosthunter on September 19, 2017, 08:08:39 PM
There are so many stands like that around the NF.
They would have to have a special unit just to handle them. :yike: :yike:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 19, 2017, 08:09:39 PM
Well lets see if it was private they can build whatever kind of treestand they please if its their property
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: MAVsled on September 19, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
100% public land, national forest, just off 1500 USFS Road
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 19, 2017, 08:42:00 PM
I think a lot of it depends on how it is attached to the tree/how long between visits.  If it doesn't damage the tree (nails/spikes) then it is fine as a stand for use.  If the owners visit it within specified time frames, usually fine too.  The FS might be upset during the times it is unoccupied due to liability concerns.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: h20hunter on September 19, 2017, 08:49:40 PM
I was browsing the forest service site and most likely did not dig deep enough as I didn't find anything concrete in just the few minutes I spent. My guess it yes, illegal based on the fact that it looks permanent and is fixed to the tree. Heck of a stand, hate the paint job. I would say if you are concerned don't make use of it, pass along the info, and let those that are paid to enforce the laws deal with it. 
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: baker5150 on September 19, 2017, 09:13:26 PM
100% public land, national forest, just off 1500 USFS Road

Lots of permanent tree stands off the 1500 road system. 
Most are pretty old and rotten.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: 92xj on September 19, 2017, 09:14:02 PM
Just keep walking and mind your own business. Do you report all speeders to the law? Who knows why it's there or whose it is. Could easily be a handicapped grandfather that's taking his grandson on his last year of hunting before dying of old age and got some odd permission to build it and put it up for the season. If it's not affecting you or your family, move on and worry/report something that actually matters.
And you're right, only southerns hunt out of box blinds for whitetails.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: outdooraddict on September 19, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
wow the work that went into that, nice job. I actually appreciate the pic, now it gives me an idea of how to build a permanent stand (on private) .  so thanks
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: pope on September 19, 2017, 09:33:31 PM
My gosh that looks comfortable. I would love to sit in a box like that in a typical NW squall. It also looks like a ton of effort and money, so it would have to be a productive spot. Regarding the legality on NFS lands, have you guys witnessed what kind of modifications rock climbers have made? Trails of expansion bolts have been drilled, even in wilderness areas, and the NFS (in practice, not necessarily in policy) doesn't raise an eyebrow.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Duckslayer89 on September 19, 2017, 09:34:48 PM
Forest circus should concentrate on actually managing the forests and roads with logging ect...Once they do that they can work on permanent tree stands
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: yakimanoob on September 19, 2017, 09:35:04 PM
Just keep walking and mind your own business. Do you report all speeders to the law? Who knows why it's there or whose it is. Could easily be a handicapped grandfather that's taking his grandson on his last year of hunting before dying of old age and got some odd permission to build it and put it up for the season. If it's not affecting you or your family, move on and worry/report something that actually matters.
And you're right, only southerns hunt out of box blinds for whitetails.
Give me a break.  People breaking the rules on public lands in this way is what leads to all of us losing access.  Report it.  100%. 

In your example, reporting wouldn't affect the dynamic grandfather/grandson duo in any way, since they have that odd permission.  The rangers would take the report and do nothing with it.  But if it's just some jerk who thinks he's special and gets to build a stand on everyone's land, then it should be taken down. 

Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: yakimanoob on September 19, 2017, 09:56:32 PM
Regarding the legality on NFS lands, have you guys witnessed what kind of modifications rock climbers have made? Trails of expansion bolts have been drilled, even in wilderness areas, and the NFS (in practice, not necessarily in policy) doesn't raise an eyebrow.

Ummmmmmmmmm a trail of bolts up a rock face is hardly analogous to a stand like this. 

Besides, the "what about those other guys who do things wrong??" argument has no bearing on whether or not this kind of tree stand is OK. 
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: hoof rot on September 19, 2017, 09:57:50 PM
Ya better run n tell cuz that paint job is terrible
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Duckslayer89 on September 19, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
Maybe it bolts together and not into the tree. Then what's the difference between it and a regular stand?
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Tinmaniac on September 19, 2017, 10:06:24 PM
Garbage and vandalism like this is what got the Weyco gates locked.Might as well shoot some more holes in the road signs while your there.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: yakimanoob on September 19, 2017, 10:14:21 PM
Garbage and vandalism like this is what got the Weyco gates locked.Might as well shoot some more holes in the road signs while your there.
:yeah:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: biggfish on September 19, 2017, 11:41:24 PM
Garbage and vandalism like this is what got the Weyco gates locked.Might as well shoot some more holes in the road signs while your there.
Absolutely boils my blood when you see the no shooting from the road signs popped full of holes. Seems to me like that quickest way to bring an end to legal recreational shooting.

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Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Expedition Scout on September 20, 2017, 04:55:20 AM
If it is permanent (i.e. bolted, nail to the tree) then it's illegal on National Forest and state land and should be reported. I've never heard of special permission to conduct resource damage. A specialist doing a study would no doubt set up a blind on the ground if needed. Most I've ever seen for disabled hunters is a platform on the side of the road for a wheel chair.

I'd be more worried about a future timber sale off that road with, as stated, bunch of old rotten stands bolted to the trees. Imagine years from now when all the visual signs of the blind are gone and the tree ends up at a mill with nails and bolts in it.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: trophyhunt on September 20, 2017, 06:13:13 AM
Just keep walking and mind your own business. Do you report all speeders to the law? Who knows why it's there or whose it is. Could easily be a handicapped grandfather that's taking his grandson on his last year of hunting before dying of old age and got some odd permission to build it and put it up for the season. If it's not affecting you or your family, move on and worry/report something that actually matters.
And you're right, only southerns hunt out of box blinds for whitetails.
:yeah:  agree, just move on.  It takes time and money plus commitment to build and maintain a stand. Maybe the guy built it for his disabled dad or something like that?  It's no big deal to ignore it and move on.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Jpmiller on September 20, 2017, 06:49:31 AM
I say report it. There may be some extenuating circumstances you don't know about but reporting it does no harm. There's a right way and a wrong way to go about pretty much everything and deciding on your own you have more of a claim to something that belongs to all is not a good public land practice. This is the kind of thing that leads guys to have conflict over "their" spot. There's rules about this stuff for a reason, I don't really see a big difference between this and any other resource damage.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: walt on September 20, 2017, 06:58:33 AM
Exactly.  I view this very much the same as a "dummy camp".  If I find a tree stand in an area I hunt I move on so I don't disturb the area.  If it stays up all fall or year-round I get a little peeved.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Pegasus on September 20, 2017, 07:16:51 AM
Nice camo design. Blends in nicely with the natural surroundings. It took me a while to spot the tree stand in the picture. I wonder if he patented the pattern. Sitka might want to acguire the rights for next year's lineup.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: boneaddict on September 20, 2017, 07:25:11 AM
I appreciate the respectful discussion in this thread.  Apparently I'm on the fence because I'll read one post and think one thing then read another and be swayed to think that way.   Well done Huntwa
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: pope on September 20, 2017, 07:33:12 AM
Regarding the legality on NFS lands, have you guys witnessed what kind of modifications rock climbers have made? Trails of expansion bolts have been drilled, even in wilderness areas, and the NFS (in practice, not necessarily in policy) doesn't raise an eyebrow.

Ummmmmmmmmm a trail of bolts up a rock face is hardly analogous to a stand like this. 
 

Really? Then please explain the difference(s). I personally see them as similar, but I'm willing to be convinced.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: pope on September 20, 2017, 07:35:02 AM
Regarding the legality on NFS lands, have you guys witnessed what kind of modifications rock climbers have made? Trails of expansion bolts have been drilled, even in wilderness areas, and the NFS (in practice, not necessarily in policy) doesn't raise an eyebrow.
Besides, the "what about those other guys who do things wrong??" argument has no bearing on whether or not this kind of tree stand is OK.

You're correct. I would like to see NFS policing both installations as I don't wish to see tree forts in the woods nor bolt trails up walls.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: ghosthunter on September 20, 2017, 07:41:34 AM
I cannot believe that this has not been brought up before on here.

There are lots of structures like that in the Nile.  Old wood tree stands, platforms, I come across them every year. On the ground ,in a tree ,everywhere.

And what is the difference between that and some two seat toilet on some groups favorite camping spot.

If that  stand is illegal so are all the rest.

I don't think it should be allowed on public land. Climber or ground blinds for the week ya hunt no problem, they go away.

Having said that, I got better things to do with my hunting time than worry about some hunters construction project.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Limhangerslayer on September 20, 2017, 07:44:41 AM
I think where he messed up is painting a pine tree on the front of that stand and not a fir
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: boneaddict on September 20, 2017, 08:24:26 AM
I cannot believe that this has not been brought up before on here.

There are lots of structures like that in the Nile.  Old wood tree stands, platforms, I come across them every year. On the ground ,in a tree ,everywhere.

And what is the difference between that and some two seat toilet on some groups favorite camping spot.

If that  stand is illegal so are all the rest.

I don't think it should be allowed on public land. Climber or ground blinds for the week ya hunt no problem, they go away.

Having said that, I got better things to do with my hunting time than worry about some hunters construction project.

I was thinking that the other day with meat poles and frames that are left up.  Where is the line?
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: boneaddict on September 20, 2017, 08:25:33 AM
and..... those that are left up, are they implying ownership?  How do these folks feel when they come in and there is another tarp one "their" framework
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: bobcat on September 20, 2017, 08:32:23 AM
Wonder what would happen if someone were to beat the guy to his blind in the morning?    :o

My thought is I wouldn't report it until after the season is over. The guy obviously went to a lot of work, let him get one season hunting out of it, and then the USFS can remove it. Unless of course, if the guy removes it after the season himself.

Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Tinmaniac on September 20, 2017, 08:34:16 AM
It's trash in a tree,no different than trash on the ground except the effort it takes to remove it.There is tons of trash littering our woods.From the Busch cans that are everywhere along the roads to piles of shotgun shells and whats left of the targets that are shot to pieces.Piles of house trash,roofing and construction debris.Washers and dryers and old abandoned cars.The ONE thing all of these things share is they were left there by someone with a WHO CARES attitude.I also have better thing to do with my hunting time.I pick up every beer can and empty half case box I see along the road while hunting.Why?Because I care!If we all did this the place wouldn't look like a dump.Show some pride folks,wave your flag high and pick up after yourself.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: KFhunter on September 20, 2017, 08:37:23 AM
I use sisal baler twine if I need to make a structure, ground blind or corrals to exclude cattle from a small area with a camera in it.

Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: boneill on September 20, 2017, 08:40:08 AM
Sure looks like a permanent tree stand to me. The regs for public lands here in WA are pretty close to my home state of MN...definitely illegal to have a stand like that. BUT, in MN, you can't go 200 yards on public land w/o seeing a permanent stand. They're illegal, but I have never seen any sort of enforcement on them. In MN, some guys will drive their 4-wheeler right to the step, unload their propane sunflower heater and radio, and sit up there for a few hours of 'hunting'. You would be surprised how successful some of them can be!
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Sandberm on September 20, 2017, 09:34:27 AM
Another thing to consider is the "Leave No Trace" ethos that a lot of people try to follow, especially hikers, people who DO NOT HUNT but enjoy OUR public lands as much as you and I.

Ive read hike reports on the Washington Trails Associations website where hikers are aghast at coming upon old hunting camps where "stuff" is left behind.

It makes us look bad and that we somehow think the forest is more ours,then theirs. :twocents:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Pegasus on September 20, 2017, 09:56:16 AM
This what Tannerite was invented for. After the hunting season some enterprising vigilante can blow it to smithereens and upload the video to youtube and make a fortune on the views. Just make sure to pick up the pieces. Doing God's work, one day at a time.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: singleshot12 on September 20, 2017, 09:56:36 AM
Another thing to consider is the "Leave No Trace" ethos that a lot of people try to follow, especially hikers, people who DO NOT HUNT but enjoy OUR public lands as much as you and I.

Ive read hike reports on the Washington Trails Associations website where hikers are aghast at coming upon old hunting camps where "stuff" is left behind.

It makes us look bad and that we somehow think the forest is more ours,then theirs. :twocents:

 :yeah:  And the person who built it needs to tear it down and dispose of it.  Eye sore for public land.  :twocents:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: DaveMonti on September 20, 2017, 10:08:48 AM
Whatever tree stand you're talking about must be camouflaged very well.  I can't see any tree stand in those pictures.   :dunno:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Pegasus on September 20, 2017, 10:32:08 AM
Whatever tree stand you're talking about must be camouflaged very well.  I can't see any tree stand in those pictures.   :dunno:

The stand is easier to see if you stand on your head while viewing it. His camo is not three dimensional .
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: ghosthunter on September 20, 2017, 11:32:43 AM
and..... those that are left up, are they implying ownership?  How do these folks feel when they come in and there is another tarp one "their" framework

I will let you know in about three weeks. If it goes as we have planned, we picked a new spot before we left last year and there was a frame there. Plus a huge mess of broken bottles which we cleaned up.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on September 20, 2017, 11:35:12 AM
Nice stand. I'd sure like to stumble into it during a severe rain/snow storm. 
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: vandeman17 on September 20, 2017, 11:41:59 AM
I cannot believe that this has not been brought up before on here.

There are lots of structures like that in the Nile.  Old wood tree stands, platforms, I come across them every year. On the ground ,in a tree ,everywhere.

And what is the difference between that and some two seat toilet on some groups favorite camping spot.

If that  stand is illegal so are all the rest.

I don't think it should be allowed on public land. Climber or ground blinds for the week ya hunt no problem, they go away.

Having said that, I got better things to do with my hunting time than worry about some hunters construction project.

100% agree
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 20, 2017, 12:08:39 PM
Regarding the legality on NFS lands, have you guys witnessed what kind of modifications rock climbers have made? Trails of expansion bolts have been drilled, even in wilderness areas, and the NFS (in practice, not necessarily in policy) doesn't raise an eyebrow.

Ummmmmmmmmm a trail of bolts up a rock face is hardly analogous to a stand like this. 

Besides, the "what about those other guys who do things wrong??" argument has no bearing on whether or not this kind of tree stand is OK.

So, it's OK to leave stuff in the NF and wilderness areas, depending on the severity? You're all excited about the tree stand but the bolts are no big deal. All due respects, YNoob, but I've never before known you to support double standards. We're talking about a stand which can (and should), be removed at the end of the season. Now, if it's not removed, then enforcement should be involved. I have little problem with this if it's done within the rules. If you don't like the look of it, move 30 yards in any direction and it's gone.  :dunno:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: croix on September 20, 2017, 12:50:57 PM
From the USFS web site:

"•Only portable stands or blinds are allowed. Check with your local ranger district for restrictions and time limits."

From the WDFW web site:

"Building blinds, tree stands, camps -- no digging pits to create waterfowl blinds; no cutting trees or attaching wire, staples or nails to trees to build blinds, stands, camps; all non-natural materials used must be removed at end of hunting season; unattended blinds are available to public on “first-come-first-serve” basis; camp structures must be removed at end of trip."

I'm sure some legal wrangler could find a technicality (doesn't say anything about screws or bolts) but I believe that the blind posted violates the intent of the rules for both USFS and WDFW.

I would probably report it. I find this similar to finding ATVs behind gates that are specifically closed to motorized traffic. I have better ways to spend my hunting day and the time and effort required to report shouldn't be necessary, but it's worth it to me. Not that I am holier than thou and need to be the enforcer of rules, but I genuinely worry about losing ALL access to areas because of the few that can't follow the rules.

-croix
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: KFhunter on September 20, 2017, 12:58:53 PM
Leaving up a stand like that is tantamount to claiming that space as "theirs" for the season.  Sure it's "first-come-first-served" basis, but really what will happen if someone other than the "owner" sits in the box?  There's going to be a confrontation, at the best they'll ruin the hunt for the day and at worst...someone's shot.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 20, 2017, 01:22:02 PM
Looks hideous. I would hate to start seeing those put up all over. If one does it more will. Not want I want to see during my time in the woods.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Curly on September 20, 2017, 01:35:57 PM
From the USFS web site:

"•Only portable stands or blinds are allowed. Check with your local ranger district for restrictions and time limits."

From the WDFW web site:

"Building blinds, tree stands, camps -- no digging pits to create waterfowl blinds; no cutting trees or attaching wire, staples or nails to trees to build blinds, stands, camps; all non-natural materials used must be removed at end of hunting season; unattended blinds are available to public on “first-come-first-serve” basis; camp structures must be removed at end of trip."

I'm sure some legal wrangler could find a technicality (doesn't say anything about screws or bolts) but I believe that the blind posted violates the intent of the rules for both USFS and WDFW.

I would probably report it. I find this similar to finding ATVs behind gates that are specifically closed to motorized traffic. I have better ways to spend my hunting day and the time and effort required to report shouldn't be necessary, but it's worth it to me. Not that I am holier than thou and need to be the enforcer of rules, but I genuinely worry about losing ALL access to areas because of the few that can't follow the rules.

-croix

definitely seems illegal based on that..........as it should be.  that thing is hideous.  If it were merely a platform, it would still be illegal, but not such an eyesore.  Probably wouldn't get much attention.  This thing needs to come down.  I bet that was a ton of work to build that thing.

Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on September 20, 2017, 01:58:07 PM
I think there is a bit more to the story here.  Seems like a lot of money and time to spend on a stand that is so easy to find and is in such a well known area. You know someone is going to mess with it.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Fletch on September 20, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
I'm curious if it is a one seater or two? But I would be too afraid to walk under it and look up!  :yike:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: ghosthunter on September 20, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
I am betting right now that the FS will do nothing.

I doubt they have the time, funds or staff to spend on removing all the blinds and crappers out there.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: hoof rot on September 20, 2017, 04:02:37 PM
Permits like weyco didn't get started over garbage or vandalism, it was shareholders greed to generate more money
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: cougforester on September 20, 2017, 04:14:11 PM
Permits like weyco didn't get started over garbage or vandalism, it was shareholders greed to generate more money

 :jacked:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: SGTDuffman on September 20, 2017, 04:34:12 PM
This what Tannerite was invented for. After the hunting season some enterprising vigilante can blow it to smithereens and upload the video to youtube and make a fortune on the views. Just make sure to pick up the pieces. Doing God's work, one day at a time.

Tannerite is illegal in this state. Have no clue why they sell it. It's like expandable broadheads were before last yr or whatever it was.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: NumaJohn on September 20, 2017, 04:49:28 PM

Not that I am holier than thou and need to be the enforcer of rules, but I genuinely worry about losing ALL access to areas because of the few that can't follow the rules.

-croix

This.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: HoofsandWings on September 20, 2017, 04:53:00 PM
Normally, the custom is to take down the stand at the end of hunting season. That includes hanging poles.
It is possible, it was built for a disabled hunter.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Jpmiller on September 20, 2017, 06:04:41 PM
Are disabled hunters allowed to build permanent blinds in the woods?
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: bigtex on September 20, 2017, 06:06:10 PM
Are disabled hunters allowed to build permanent blinds in the woods?
Nobody is allowed to build permanent anything on public property without prior authorization from the government agency.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: ghosthunter on September 20, 2017, 06:14:57 PM
Are disabled hunters allowed to build permanent blinds in the woods?
Nobody is allowed to build permanent anything on public property without prior authorization from the government agency.

Someone forgot to tell hundreds of folks. :yike:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Jpmiller on September 20, 2017, 06:21:15 PM
Are disabled hunters allowed to build permanent blinds in the woods?
Nobody is allowed to build permanent anything on public property without prior authorization from the government agency.

I thought that was the case. I don't understand why it keeps getting brought up.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: trophyhunt on September 20, 2017, 06:25:53 PM
Nice stand. I'd sure like to stumble into it during a severe rain/snow storm.
:yeah:   And my opinion on what happens if I'm sitting in a stand like that and the guy that built it comes by, I'll gladly get out and find my own area to hunt.  I wouldn't give the guy grief. I think too many people just don't mind their own business.  Just like guys who report cabins in the wilderness that are pretty damn neat to find, don't be a prude and just move on.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Pegasus on September 20, 2017, 06:41:48 PM
This what Tannerite was invented for. After the hunting season some enterprising vigilante can blow it to smithereens and upload the video to youtube and make a fortune on the views. Just make sure to pick up the pieces. Doing God's work, one day at a time.

Tannerite is illegal in this state. Have no clue why they sell it. It's like expandable broadheads were before last yr or whatever it was.

I would appreciate the law that prohibits Tannerite. Every time I go to Sportco they are selling it.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Tinmaniac on September 20, 2017, 06:53:44 PM
If I find something on public land that is not supposed to be there it just became my business.The fault is upon the person who builds these things not those who find it.Just follow the rules and the problem is solved,pretty simple.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: baker5150 on September 20, 2017, 07:54:21 PM
Nice stand. I'd sure like to stumble into it during a severe rain/snow storm.
:yeah:   And my opinion on what happens if I'm sitting in a stand like that and the guy that built it comes by, I'll gladly get out and find my own area to hunt.  I wouldn't give the guy grief. I think too many people just don't mind their own business.  Just like guys who report cabins in the wilderness that are pretty damn neat to find, don't be a prude and just move on.

I partly agree with you on this, but where would you draw the line?  cabins are pretty cool to find, especially old ones, but this is far from a cool cabin in the middle of no where. 
I would most likely leave it be and not report it, it's possible that it's temporary, but I know of plenty of old rotten stands that are now just an eye soar as well as dangerous.
What about the mt bikers diggin trails all over the bumping?  They have as much right as I do to use the land, but should they be allowed to dig trails and build ramps, jumps, etc thru public property?  I'm inclined to say no, and the law would agree with me.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: MAVsled on September 20, 2017, 08:23:26 PM
update:

USFS drove and stopped by my friends camp. Ranger talked about giving out tickets to those ATV-ing into the 1502 closed road area, down the road quite a ways from Timberwolf turnoff.
Friend mentioned the treestand. USFS ranger asked him to show the location. They went and USFS logged coordinates via GPS. Back at USFS vehicle, got on his computer and made an official report.
USFS enforcement will monitor this site during muzzle and modern seasons, hoping to catch user.
but the stand will come down, at the hands of the ranger personally (chain saw).

YES, ranger verified it is illegal to build and permanent stand on national forest lands, open to the public. And if caught using a permanent stand, a hefty fine too.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: ghosthunter on September 20, 2017, 08:28:35 PM
I am betting right now that the FS will do nothing.

I doubt they have the time, funds or staff to spend on removing all the blinds and crappers out there.


Well I lost that bet I guess.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: bobcat on September 20, 2017, 08:35:15 PM
This what Tannerite was invented for. After the hunting season some enterprising vigilante can blow it to smithereens and upload the video to youtube and make a fortune on the views. Just make sure to pick up the pieces. Doing God's work, one day at a time.

Tannerite is illegal in this state. Have no clue why they sell it. It's like expandable broadheads were before last yr or whatever it was.

I would appreciate the law that prohibits Tannerite. Every time I go to Sportco they are selling it.

I'm pretty sure it's legal. Last month at my daughter's hunter education class they had all the students shooting the stuff and there were some BIG explosions.   :tup:   :chuckle:

It may be illegal on public land. But other than that I don't think there's any law against it.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 20, 2017, 08:39:11 PM
update:

USFS drove and stopped by my friends camp. Ranger talked about giving out tickets to those ATV-ing into the 1502 closed road area, down the road quite a ways from Timberwolf turnoff.
Friend mentioned the treestand. USFS ranger asked him to show the location. They went and USFS logged coordinates via GPS. Back at USFS vehicle, got on his computer and made an official report.
USFS enforcement will monitor this site during muzzle and modern seasons, hoping to catch user.
but the stand will come down, at the hands of the ranger personally (chain saw).

YES, ranger verified it is illegal to build and permanent stand on national forest lands, open to the public. And if caught using a permanent stand, a hefty fine too.

If the builder is a member on here, probably won't go anywhere near that stand now!

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: bigtex on September 20, 2017, 09:10:36 PM
This what Tannerite was invented for. After the hunting season some enterprising vigilante can blow it to smithereens and upload the video to youtube and make a fortune on the views. Just make sure to pick up the pieces. Doing God's work, one day at a time.
Tannerite is illegal in this state. Have no clue why they sell it. It's like expandable broadheads were before last yr or whatever it was.
I would appreciate the law that prohibits Tannerite. Every time I go to Sportco they are selling it.
I'm pretty sure it's legal. Last month at my daughter's hunter education class they had all the students shooting the stuff and there were some BIG explosions.   :tup:   :chuckle:

It may be illegal on public land. But other than that I don't think there's any law against it.
The "closed season" is April 15-October 15

RCW 76.04.455
Discarding lighted material or smoking flammable material—Discharge, release, or detonation of certain materials—Receptacles in conveyances—Posting a copy of this section.

(1)(a) Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, it is unlawful for any person to, during the closed season:

(i) Discard any lighted tobacco, cigars, cigarettes, matches, fireworks, charcoal, or other lighted material, discharge any incendiary ammunition, release a sky lantern, or detonate an exploding target on or over any forest, brush, range, or grain areas; or

(ii) Smoke any flammable material when in forest or brush areas except on roads, cleared landings, gravel pits, or any similar area free of flammable material.

(b) The prohibitions contained in this subsection do not apply to the detonation of nonflammable exploding targets on any forest, brush, range, or grain areas if the person detonating the nonflammable exploding target:

(i) Has lawful possession and control of the land in question; or

(ii) Has prior written permission for the activity from the person who owns or has lawful possession and control of the land in question.


(c) The prohibitions contained in this subsection do not apply to suppression actions authorized or conducted by the department under the authority of this chapter.

(2)(a) Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, it is unlawful for any person to, during any time outside of the closed season, discharge any incendiary ammunition, release a sky lantern, or detonate an exploding target on or over any forest, brush, range, or grain areas.

(b) The prohibitions contained in this subsection do not apply if the person conducting the otherwise prohibited action:

(i) Has lawful possession and control of the land in question; or

(ii) Has prior written permission for the activity from the person who owns or has lawful possession and control of the land in question.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: j_h_nimrod on September 20, 2017, 10:02:15 PM
I remember a thread from not so long back where a guy was pissed when someone "stole" his tree stand that he left permanently on public land. The general consensus was shock and outrage that someone would steal a tree stand that was admittedly left permanently on public land. No one mentioned that someone might have just been cleaning abandoned junk out of the woods. I would support the removal of some old junker steel stand over a nice (albeit terribly painted and camouflaged blind) that someone obviously spent time and effort constructing.

I know where a couple pirate cabins are on USFS land that I would never report. Too cool to find them and know where they are. Never know when they may come in handy or be useful for an odd season trip.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: SGTDuffman on September 20, 2017, 10:09:55 PM
Bigtex already covered some of it, but it's listed in several places. Here's another law.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=332-52-145

WAC 332-52-145

(b) Unauthorized targets include but are not limited to:
(i) Natural features, except earthen berms or banks used as backstops for target shooting;
(ii) Vegetation;
(iii) Structures;
(iv) Gates;
(v) Vehicles;
(vi) Signs;
(vii) Other department improvements;
(viii) Appliances;
(ix) Furniture;
(x) Glass;
(xi) Privately owned or occupied structures;
(xii) Pets, service animals or livestock;
(xiii) Wildlife;
(xiv) Explosive and incendiary items;


And a USFS bulletin.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5428172.pdf
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: bobcat on September 20, 2017, 10:21:05 PM
Bigtex already covered some of it, but it's listed in several places. Here's another law.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=332-52-145

WAC 332-52-145

(b) Unauthorized targets include but are not limited to:
(i) Natural features, except earthen berms or banks used as backstops for target shooting;
(ii) Vegetation;
(iii) Structures;
(iv) Gates;
(v) Vehicles;
(vi) Signs;
(vii) Other department improvements;
(viii) Appliances;
(ix) Furniture;
(x) Glass;
(xi) Privately owned or occupied structures;
(xii) Pets, service animals or livestock;
(xiii) Wildlife;
(xiv) Explosive and incendiary items;


And a USFS bulletin.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5428172.pdf

Those laws you're referencing are for on public lands. Doesn't say the stuff isn't legal to use in the state of Washington.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: winshooter88 on September 20, 2017, 11:56:55 PM
This what Tannerite was invented for. After the hunting season some enterprising vigilante can blow it to smithereens and upload the video to youtube and make a fortune on the views. Just make sure to pick up the pieces. Doing God's work, one day at a time.

Tannerite is illegal in this state. Have no clue why they sell it. It's like expandable broadheads were before last yr or whatever it was.

I would appreciate the law that prohibits Tannerite. Every time I go to Sportco they are selling it.
Pegasus, Lots of stores sell things that are illegal for use in Washington state, (like illuminated bow sights), just because it is sold in this state does not make it legal to use on public ground. If Tannerite explodes with a flash that could start a fire then it is illegal to use on public land in this state, (refer to Bigtex's post in this thread).
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 21, 2017, 05:49:45 AM
Back to the OP
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: trophyhunt on September 21, 2017, 06:23:28 AM
If I find something on public land that is not supposed to be there it just became my business.The fault is upon the person who builds these things not those who find it.Just follow the rules and the problem is solved,pretty simple.
It's not like this is a poaching ring, it's just a tree stand.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: trophyhunt on September 21, 2017, 06:26:15 AM
update:

USFS drove and stopped by my friends camp. Ranger talked about giving out tickets to those ATV-ing into the 1502 closed road area, down the road quite a ways from Timberwolf turnoff.
Friend mentioned the treestand. USFS ranger asked him to show the location. They went and USFS logged coordinates via GPS. Back at USFS vehicle, got on his computer and made an official report.
USFS enforcement will monitor this site during muzzle and modern seasons, hoping to catch user.
but the stand will come down, at the hands of the ranger personally (chain saw).

YES, ranger verified it is illegal to build and permanent stand on national forest lands, open to the public. And if caught using a permanent stand, a hefty fine too.
Hefty fine huh, I guess the guys would have to admit they built it first.  That wouldn't be very smart.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: trophyhunt on September 21, 2017, 06:28:07 AM
I remember a thread from not so long back where a guy was pissed when someone "stole" his tree stand that he left permanently on public land. The general consensus was shock and outrage that someone would steal a tree stand that was admittedly left permanently on public land. No one mentioned that someone might have just been cleaning abandoned junk out of the woods. I would support the removal of some old junker steel stand over a nice (albeit terribly painted and camouflaged blind) that someone obviously spent time and effort constructing.

I know where a couple pirate cabins are on USFS land that I would never report. Too cool to find them and know where they are. Never know when they may come in handy or be useful for an odd season trip.
:tup:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: cryder on September 21, 2017, 09:45:39 AM
That is absolutely invading my woods and natural look n feel of the woods , someone is color blind or they have some way of getting in there in the winter so they can take it down for ice fishing somewhere , be scary COMEING up on that during bow season , some fool hunting grouse or something probly shoot me , needs a occupied light so all us real hunters r aware of ignorance present ,. LIGHT A MATCH !  HECK everybody else does on public lands , why do you think I want my money back , dang idiots  :bdid:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: h20hunter on September 21, 2017, 09:48:32 AM
 :yeah: :hello:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: KFhunter on September 21, 2017, 09:49:00 AM
I am betting right now that the FS will do nothing.

I doubt they have the time, funds or staff to spend on removing all the blinds and crappers out there.


Well I lost that bet I guess.

A bet I'd be happy to loose  :tup:
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Tinmaniac on September 21, 2017, 10:09:51 AM
Seems like a lot of folks are fine with rules as long as they decide which ones to follow.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: ghosthunter on September 28, 2017, 12:16:08 AM
I think the FS has there work cut out for t them. Common to find stuff on federal lands.
Fancy out houses, equipment caches,tree stands,
Just a few I found in one weekend.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 28, 2017, 05:30:59 AM
Private land
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: hunterofelk on September 28, 2017, 06:14:07 AM
Second to last is the shelter on Timberwolf.  Don't know if it housed the lookout workers or was a line cabin for cattle and sheep tenders. 
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: ghosthunter on September 28, 2017, 07:43:27 AM
Private land

All the above photo are US Forest Service Lands with in GMU 360 or 352. Anyone on this forum can walk right up to them.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: ghosthunter on September 28, 2017, 07:45:42 AM
Second to last is the shelter on Timberwolf.  Don't know if it housed the lookout workers or was a line cabin for cattle and sheep tenders.

Yes it is.

It appears to be used now days by Snowmobile Riders and 4x4 clubs based on the writings on the wall.
Walk right in.
Couple chairs in it too.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: ghosthunter on September 28, 2017, 07:57:19 AM
Photos one and three are of a elk camp. I am guessing Modern as I happen past one day three weeks before that season. They set the whole camp up complete with wall tent and cover it with plastic than leave.

# 1 is their outhouse.
# 3 is their cache of carpet and plastic at the same campsite a week ago.
Guess they are coming back.


And I would not be surprised to get a PM from someone on here to stop posting photos of their camp. But I am just guessing.

Really all I am saying is the US Forest Service doesn't seem to care a whole lot about structures on public land unless you point it out to them like the OP did.

The Timber Wolf shack is a part of the history of the area.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: hunterofelk on September 28, 2017, 08:27:12 AM
On the north side of Nelson butte, I found a great blue tarp camp with a 30 gal wood burner.  Only out of comfort thing was the fir tree fallen in the center of main shelter. 
FS can't do it all.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 28, 2017, 08:32:18 AM
FS picks and chooses.  If something is known, easy to find then they deal with it.  They burned down one of the old packer cabins way back in the wilderness.  But a couple of the FS employees built their own cabin on DNR land that was off the beaten path.  I think some would be surprised how many cabins are built out there.
Title: Re: is this an illegal treestand?
Post by: pygmy1985 on September 28, 2017, 08:42:19 AM
Yup, it's illegal.  I found one up near Manastash Ridge above Wells Meadows.  If anybody wants to use it, because it's on public land, I can send you the coordinates.  :)