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Title: Ghost camp
Post by: CP on October 08, 2017, 06:51:54 AM
Is this one of those ghost camps?

Prime spot, taped off, $10 tent flapping in the breeze.  How long can you reserve public land in this manner?

Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 08, 2017, 07:08:10 AM
About as long as it would take to set up my camp right next to their tent.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: cbond3318 on October 08, 2017, 07:36:38 AM
The Ephrata Boys better hurry back. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: huntnfmly on October 08, 2017, 07:37:33 AM
About as long as it would take to set up my camp right next to their tent.
:yeah:  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 08, 2017, 07:53:20 AM
What ghost camp?   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Pegasus on October 08, 2017, 07:57:53 AM
Not much different than hauling your trailer or RV up a week or two early and leaving it empty to claim your turf.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: h20hunter on October 08, 2017, 08:13:23 AM
One small tent in the entire area. I'd take down the ribbon and set up. Public land.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Stein on October 08, 2017, 08:15:08 AM
Looks like abandoned garbage on public land.  I just clean that stuff up.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Pegasus on October 08, 2017, 08:35:04 AM
I agree in taking it down but be smart. Don't camp there. Let an unsuspecting camper take the space after you cleaned it up. That way when the guy and his buddies that left the tent show up in the middle of the night drunk you don't have do deal with the threats and cursing. You can camp a couple of spaces over and watch the fireworks.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Igor on October 08, 2017, 09:10:33 AM
It certainly doesn't look like any place special.  Why would anyone have heartburn over it?  Just move on and find your own place to camp.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Tinmaniac on October 08, 2017, 09:11:04 AM
I agree in taking it down but be smart. Don't camp there. Let an unsuspecting camper take the space after you cleaned it up. That way when the guy and his buddies that left the tent show up in the middle of the night drunk you don't have do deal with the threats and cursing. You can camp a couple of spaces over and watch the fireworks.
This is possibly the most unsportsmanlike thing I have ever read.There is something wrong with this guy.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: MADMAX on October 08, 2017, 09:19:32 AM
had one next to us all elk season couple years back
cracked me up
never anyone there
finally someone dropped a deuce in front of it
laughed everytime I went past it
no it was not me that did
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: 7mmfan on October 08, 2017, 09:21:14 AM
Contact an LEO, let them know it's suspicious and let them make the decision. When the guys show up, let them know the LEO took it down and give them his card.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Stein on October 08, 2017, 09:48:49 AM
All I want to know is what kind of tent is that?  Maybe it's the angle, but I can't figure out what the heck is going on there.  It looks like parts from four different tents somehow erected to a single structure.

I agree with calling the local game warden or police, you can probably get him to come through and pull it out and nail his card to a tree there.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 08, 2017, 10:11:20 AM
Maybe bad weather set in and they had to leave in a hurry.  :dunno:   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: dscubame on October 08, 2017, 10:37:27 AM
It certainly doesn't look like any place special.  Why would anyone have heartburn over it?  Just move on and find your own place to camp.

Agree.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Pegasus on October 08, 2017, 01:14:54 PM
I agree in taking it down but be smart. Don't camp there. Let an unsuspecting camper take the space after you cleaned it up. That way when the guy and his buddies that left the tent show up in the middle of the night drunk you don't have do deal with the threats and cursing. You can camp a couple of spaces over and watch the fireworks.
This is possibly the most unsportsmanlike thing I have ever read.There is something wrong with this guy.

Sorry. I thought everyone could figure out that my solution especially about letting someone else take the blame for removing the tent was a joke. You seem so upset over my comment that I have to ask: Is that your tent we are talking about?
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Odell on October 08, 2017, 01:55:25 PM
I agree in taking it down but be smart. Don't camp there. Let an unsuspecting camper take the space after you cleaned it up. That way when the guy and his buddies that left the tent show up in the middle of the night drunk you don't have do deal with the threats and cursing. You can camp a couple of spaces over and watch the fireworks.
This is possibly the most unsportsmanlike thing I have ever read.There is something wrong with this guy.

Sorry. I thought everyone could figure out that my solution especially about letting someone else take the blame for removing the tent was a joke. You seem so upset over my comment that I have to ask: Is that your tent we are talking about?

Joke or not I agree with you. This stuff makes me so mad. Camp there or don't. No 'reservations'.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Crunchy on October 08, 2017, 03:13:42 PM
No one likes ghost camps to reserve a spot, but if you are going to set one up, at least put a little effort into it so it might look half believable. 
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: snake on October 08, 2017, 05:39:14 PM
Yes definitely contact a LEO and waste as much peoples time and tax dollars as possible.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: boneaddict on October 08, 2017, 05:44:37 PM
Personally I just move on.   The world is big enough to let the ephrata boys have their fun.   I guess I live in Yakima country and am used to ghost camps.   No, I don’t like them, but....
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Oh Mah on October 08, 2017, 09:20:54 PM
just a thought,i set up my kids 16 19 tent last year next hole from mine.hunters came in tore the tent down packed it up and set up their own.i came in about halfway through their set uop and politely asked them what they were doing.they said we didnt think anyone was really gonna camp here so we tore it down to set up ours.he said we have camped here every year for the past ten years.i said i have camped over there with my kids the past 12 years and this year the boys want their own camp.wasnt getting any where with these guys so,i call warden office,up comes one about an hour and a half later..............down came their camp up went the boys camp and after their running off at the mouth with the warden off the mountain they went.


             that old tent without supplies yet might be a first timer on his or her own,leave it alone and move on.if they got there first your loss...public land.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 09, 2017, 01:01:07 AM
How’s that old saying go...... oh yea........EARLY BIRD GETS THE WORM.......move on.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: trophyhunt on October 09, 2017, 07:04:43 AM
Personally I just move on.   The world is big enough to let the ephrata boys have their fun.   I guess I live in Yakima country and am used to ghost camps.   No, I don’t like them, but....
:yeah: totally agree.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 09, 2017, 07:33:08 AM
I've been reading through the replies on and based on some of them, have come up with a new plan for next year. I'm going to buy about ten tents at Goodwill and place them at the ten best campsites I can find, a week before hunting. I figure at least a couple of them will be left alone and I'll get the pick of which one I want. As suggested, hopefully anyone who wants to camp there will just move on because there's plenty of land. I know: NF and state land rules say that you can't leave stuff unattended for more than 24 hours but who follows the rules, right? 1 ghost camp, ten ghost camps; what's the difference? Afterall, if I've camped there once, twice, five times, or never before, I actually have a right to keep others out, right?

Sorry for the sarcasm but if you're doing this to your fellow hunters, that sucks. It's wrong, it's selfish, and if I see it, I'm calling NF or DNR or the WDFW to have them removed. A littering/dumping charge would be an added bonus. Total BS.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Stein on October 09, 2017, 07:42:46 AM
Heck, if you can do that why not just put up the sign saying you are reserving this site for the next 20 years?
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: skeeter 20i on October 09, 2017, 07:43:26 AM
Personally I just move on.   The world is big enough to let the ephrata boys have their fun.   I guess I live in Yakima country and am used to ghost camps.   No, I don’t like them, but....

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 09, 2017, 07:58:48 AM
Heck, if you can do that why not just put up the sign saying you are reserving this site for the next 20 years?

...or a permanent structure. Good idea!  :tup:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: rtspring on October 09, 2017, 08:01:19 AM
Are we that anal about a "SPOT" to mess with someones stuff?  There are millions of places to camp!   So a guy takes time and gets his spot, before anyone else? Boo Hoo, grow the hell up!!!   I personally set up my trailer the week before deer season, no need to try and reserve a spot. Its pretty damn easy, get off your butt and set up your camp.   

As for touching someones stuff,  your asking for an arse whuppin!  And you mess with the right persons stuff you just might get it!  Now is all that worth a confrontation?  Nope, simply move on and enjoy the great outdoors..   and for the most part many would probably welcome you to join their camp. 

As for calling the law?  Don't you think they got better things to do then fix a squabble over a dang camping spot?   First come first served... 
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on October 09, 2017, 08:01:53 AM
The only time I don't like them is when they beat me to my spot!  :chuckle:

I don't think you are ever going to stop it, its been going on for many years and it will probably never change.  You just have to adapt.  Beat them at their own game. 
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 09, 2017, 08:05:32 AM
Well said, as usual.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 09, 2017, 08:16:20 AM
Are we that anal about a "SPOT" to mess with someones stuff?  There are millions of places to camp!   So a guy takes time and gets his spot, before anyone else? Boo Hoo, grow the hell up!!!   I personally set up my trailer the week before deer season, no need to try and reserve a spot. Its pretty damn easy, get off your butt and set up your camp.   

As for touching someones stuff,  your asking for an arse whuppin!  And you mess with the right persons stuff you just might get it!  Now is all that worth a confrontation?  Nope, simply move on and enjoy the great outdoors..   and for the most part many would probably welcome you to join their camp. 

As for calling the law?  Don't you think they got better things to do then fix a squabble over a dang camping spot?   First come first served...

RT, I have a ton of respect for you. But we will disagree on this. The rules are there to make it fair for everyone needing a place to camp. If you want to reserve it a week ahead, it's simple; you have to be there for that week. Under your reasoning, why put it up just a week ahead? Why not two weeks, a month, or two months? It's not fair, that's why. I'm not about to take someone's stuff down myself, but I will call LE. And as far as LE having better things to do? If all they did was investigate major crimes, I'd leave them alone. But that's not their whole job. If they can pull me over for a missing tail light or going 11 miles over the speed limit, and then also charge me for drinking a cup of coffee, they can come investigate someone leaving their garbage out in the woods. And that's what it is - garbage.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: JeffRaines on October 09, 2017, 08:19:04 AM
I never have, and still don't get the 'look the other way' mentality when it comes to certain stuff. When do you stop? When the guy shoots a deer during archery season with a rifle? Theres lot of other deer in the woods, he's not bothering your hunt! When the guy poaches a moose? You weren't hunting moose, it doesn't make any difference to you so why bother calling the warden?

Thing is, whats illegal is illegal. Doesn't matter if its poaching or some guy claiming a spot with a ghost camp... by the way, its hard to look at it as "first come first served" when theres no one there.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Mossbak on October 09, 2017, 08:20:09 AM
Are we that anal about a "SPOT" to mess with someones stuff?  There are millions of places to camp!   So a guy takes time and gets his spot, before anyone else? Boo Hoo, grow the hell up!!!   I personally set up my trailer the week before deer season, no need to try and reserve a spot. Its pretty damn easy, get off your butt and set up your camp.   

As for touching someones stuff,  your asking for an arse whuppin!  And you mess with the right persons stuff you just might get it!  Now is all that worth a confrontation?  Nope, simply move on and enjoy the great outdoors..   and for the most part many would probably welcome you to join their camp. 

As for calling the law?  Don't you think they got better things to do then fix a squabble over a dang camping spot?   First come first served...
I couldn't agree more with this
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Pegasus on October 09, 2017, 08:47:03 AM
We should take a poll to see who has already set up their hunting camp for the  modern firearm deer opener this coming weekend or who will set one up this week before opening day. That includes leaving tent, trailer or RV unattended.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Stein on October 09, 2017, 08:55:15 AM
I go over early, but have never left stuff and came home.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: rtspring on October 09, 2017, 09:11:35 AM
Are we that anal about a "SPOT" to mess with someones stuff?  There are millions of places to camp!   So a guy takes time and gets his spot, before anyone else? Boo Hoo, grow the hell up!!!   I personally set up my trailer the week before deer season, no need to try and reserve a spot. Its pretty damn easy, get off your butt and set up your camp.   

As for touching someones stuff,  your asking for an arse whuppin!  And you mess with the right persons stuff you just might get it!  Now is all that worth a confrontation?  Nope, simply move on and enjoy the great outdoors..   and for the most part many would probably welcome you to join their camp. 

As for calling the law?  Don't you think they got better things to do then fix a squabble over a dang camping spot?   First come first served...

RT, I have a ton of respect for you. But we will disagree on this. The rules are there to make it fair for everyone needing a place to camp. If you want to reserve it a week ahead, it's simple; you have to be there for that week. Under your reasoning, why put it up just a week ahead? Why not two weeks, a month, or two months? It's not fair, that's why. I'm not about to take someone's stuff down myself, but I will call LE. And as far as LE having better things to do? If all they did was investigate major crimes, I'd leave them alone. But that's not their whole job. If they can pull me over for a missing tail light or going 11 miles over the speed limit, and then also charge me for drinking a cup of coffee, they can come investigate someone leaving their garbage out in the woods. And that's what it is - garbage.

I can see both sides of the argument.  I personally don't have many issues in my area. But Im sure some places it can cause issues.  Heck just pull your trailer next to mine.  Ha ha problem solved buddy.. 
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: boneaddict on October 09, 2017, 09:14:24 AM
My question to some of you is what are/is your basics of calling a ghost camp.  (I know this camp is obvious). But many times maybe they aren’t.   I have a lean camp.  I might be gone by 3am back at 10pm.  I don’t have stuff out. I don’t want it stolen or rained on. You might only see a tent and if I am really getting fancy, a woodpile.  You’d have to unzip my tent to see what is in it.   Would you go that far?   Then there are occasions I coyote out.  Is that illegal because I left my basecamp for more than 24 hours?  It’s really sad when most of my trip out I am worried about how I am going to find my camp when I return.  It’s bad enough the meth heads, but regular outdoorsman as well.....  curious?
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: b0bbyg on October 09, 2017, 09:25:06 AM
I try and allow others some wiggle room.  If you setup a total BS camp 1-2 weeks early that only takes 10-15 minutes and then do not come back at all until opening day or the night before then I have no problem if someone takes it down or calls the LE.

If you are setting up a larger camp and are in and out for the week before using it to some level then I have no issue with early camps.  I know some that would start setting up camp early and bring out the family to camp, hike and scout prior to the season. Then leave for a few days and return for the opener.

I have never stopped to poke around in another persons camp, but there were a few I was wondering if they were being used at all. 




Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 09, 2017, 09:33:47 AM
My question to some of you is what are/is your basics of calling a ghost camp.  (I know this camp is obvious). But many times maybe they aren’t.   I have a lean camp.  I might be gone by 3am back at 10pm.  I don’t have stuff out. I don’t want it stolen or rained on. You might only see a tent and if I am really getting fancy, a woodpile.  You’d have to unzip my tent to see what is in it.   Would you go that far?   Then there are occasions I coyote out.  Is that illegal because I left my basecamp for more than 24 hours?  It’s really sad when most of my trip out I am worried about how I am going to find my camp when I return.  It’s bad enough the meth heads, but regular outdoorsman as well.....  curious?

Again, I'm not going to take down anyone's camp. A ghost camp is anything unattended for more than 24 hours. If it's a tent with a chair and nothing else, it's a ghost camp. The LE can make a determination of what they find when they come to look at it.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Matth on October 09, 2017, 09:47:11 AM
 :yeah:
Are we that anal about a "SPOT" to mess with someones stuff?  There are millions of places to camp!   So a guy takes time and gets his spot, before anyone else? Boo Hoo, grow the hell up!!!   I personally set up my trailer the week before deer season, no need to try and reserve a spot. Its pretty damn easy, get off your butt and set up your camp.   

As for touching someones stuff,  your asking for an arse whuppin!  And you mess with the right persons stuff you just might get it!  Now is all that worth a confrontation?  Nope, simply move on and enjoy the great outdoors..   and for the most part many would probably welcome you to join their camp. 

As for calling the law?  Don't you think they got better things to do then fix a squabble over a dang camping spot?   First come first served...
:yeah:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Colville on October 09, 2017, 10:01:27 AM
I think there's a huge difference between a guy who puts up his tent or trailer a bit ahead of season and does so in a way that grabs only as much real estate as that set up would require.  Is that legal, no, but it's not offensive.

However, a $35 yard sale white stag tent from 1975 and then a tape fence cordoning off half a football field?  NO.  Guy parks his trailer on a logging road that blocks the access to a flat that would hold 5 trailers? NO.  Guy takes a spot then chains off entry to other spots adjacent until his buddies arrive.... NO. 

If a guy wants his spot with his tent or trailer at risk in space that's appropriate, most people won't get in a twist. But the OP with the taped off field, I would see no problem with someone puling down that tape even if they had no intention of hunting or camping there.  I'd never touch a tent or trailer, but If that's where I was headed to camp I would not respect that tape line.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: 180-GRAIN on October 09, 2017, 10:14:28 AM
I don't see anything wrong with heading over to your hunting spot early and setting up camp. Shoot I'm doing it in Idaho this year. Headed over to set camp, hunt a couple days then go home for a week so I can be home to take my 3 year old trick or treating. I'm heading back to camp after trick or treating and its going to be nice pulling into a set up tent at 3am. Just saying maybe there is a good reason behind them having camp up  :dunno:. If not I would still be respectful and set up elsewhere.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 09, 2017, 10:17:48 AM
I think there's a huge difference between a guy who puts up his tent or trailer a bit ahead of season and does so in a way that grabs only as much real estate as that set up would require.  Is that legal, no, but it's not offensive.

However, a $35 yard sale white stag tent from 1975 and then a tape fence cordoning off half a football field?  NO.  Guy parks his trailer on a logging road that blocks the access to a flat that would hold 5 trailers? NO.  Guy takes a spot then chains off entry to other spots adjacent until his buddies arrive.... NO. 

If a guy wants his spot with his tent or trailer at risk in space that's appropriate, most people won't get in a twist. But the OP with the taped off field, I would see no problem with someone puling down that tape even if they had no intention of hunting or camping there.  I'd never touch a tent or trailer, but If that's where I was headed to camp I would not respect that tape line.

 :yeah: I think the flagging tape put this one over the top...

But what do I care they are camped to low in elevation for my liking anyway.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Jason on October 09, 2017, 10:20:46 AM
Are we that anal about a "SPOT" to mess with someones stuff?  There are millions of places to camp!   So a guy takes time and gets his spot, before anyone else? Boo Hoo, grow the hell up!!!   I personally set up my trailer the week before deer season, no need to try and reserve a spot. Its pretty damn easy, get off your butt and set up your camp.   

As for touching someones stuff,  your asking for an arse whuppin!  And you mess with the right persons stuff you just might get it!  Now is all that worth a confrontation?  Nope, simply move on and enjoy the great outdoors..   and for the most part many would probably welcome you to join their camp. 

As for calling the law?  Don't you think they got better things to do then fix a squabble over a dang camping spot?   First come first served...
I couldn't agree more with this
:yeah: x 2
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: kirkl on October 09, 2017, 10:40:26 AM
My question to some of you is what are/is your basics of calling a ghost camp.  (I know this camp is obvious). But many times maybe they aren’t.   I have a lean camp.  I might be gone by 3am back at 10pm.  I don’t have stuff out. I don’t want it stolen or rained on. You might only see a tent and if I am really getting fancy, a woodpile.  You’d have to unzip my tent to see what is in it.   Would you go that far?   Then there are occasions I coyote out.  Is that illegal because I left my basecamp for more than 24 hours?  It’s really sad when most of my trip out I am worried about how I am going to find my camp when I return.  It’s bad enough the meth heads, but regular outdoorsman as well.....  curious?

Again, I'm not going to take down anyone's camp. A ghost camp is anything unattended for more than 24 hours. If it's a tent with a chair and nothing else, it's a ghost camp. The LE can make a determination of what they find when they come to look at it.

So are these spots your thinking about camping in or do you just drive around looking for ghost camps to call the LE on?
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 09, 2017, 11:25:51 AM
My question to some of you is what are/is your basics of calling a ghost camp.  (I know this camp is obvious). But many times maybe they aren’t.   I have a lean camp.  I might be gone by 3am back at 10pm.  I don’t have stuff out. I don’t want it stolen or rained on. You might only see a tent and if I am really getting fancy, a woodpile.  You’d have to unzip my tent to see what is in it.   Would you go that far?   Then there are occasions I coyote out.  Is that illegal because I left my basecamp for more than 24 hours?  It’s really sad when most of my trip out I am worried about how I am going to find my camp when I return.  It’s bad enough the meth heads, but regular outdoorsman as well.....  curious?

Again, I'm not going to take down anyone's camp. A ghost camp is anything unattended for more than 24 hours. If it's a tent with a chair and nothing else, it's a ghost camp. The LE can make a determination of what they find when they come to look at it.

So are these spots your thinking about camping in or do you just drive around looking for ghost camps to call the LE on?

I'm fine with having an intelligent discussion with someone who disagrees with my viewpoint. I'm not going to trade barbs with someone throwing insults. Go troll somewhere else.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: kirkl on October 09, 2017, 11:33:00 AM
I'm asking a question cause I think it's pretty sad you keep bringing up the 24 hour rule, so if a guy who's camping by himself has to run home for a couple days, then with your logic he needs to completely pack up camp and you'll be calling LE
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 09, 2017, 11:42:30 AM
Don't like the rule?  Change the rule. I would pack up.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Okanagan on October 09, 2017, 11:44:24 AM
My question to some of you is what are/is your basics of calling a ghost camp.  (I know this camp is obvious). But many times maybe they aren’t.   I have a lean camp.  I might be gone by 3am back at 10pm.  I don’t have stuff out. I don’t want it stolen or rained on. You might only see a tent and if I am really getting fancy, a woodpile.  You’d have to unzip my tent to see what is in it.   Would you go that far?   Then there are occasions I coyote out.  Is that illegal because I left my basecamp for more than 24 hours?  It’s really sad when most of my trip out I am worried about how I am going to find my camp when I return.  It’s bad enough the meth heads, but regular outdoorsman as well.....  curious?

Big ditto to this concern ^^

On backpack hunts we/I usually leave food and a sleeping bag in our vehicle if we leave it at the trailhead.  That way I can hunt down to the vehicle, stay over night and hunt back up to my backpack camp, which by then has been left more than 24 hours unoccupied.  I may hunt lower country and sleep at my vehicle/base camp for more than one night.   If I have a base camp near the road, then it is left unoccupied for more than 24 hours, sometimes for several days.  That arrangement also lets me take out a pack load of meat only and not carry sleeping/eating gear because I have it at each end.  We tend to do that overnight round trip when solo or doing long pack outs.

I've only been doing this kind of thing for 50 years and now I find that such backcountry safety prudence is illegal???  Ditto for coyoteing out some nights, sans sleeping bag, and if so may be gone for two days from my spike camp.  In such situations, when you are tired and in bad weather, finding a snug dry camp intact as I left it is more important than merely pleasant.

Re trailheads:  I now hate to leave a vehicle at a trailhead after seeing some vandalized and several broken into.  I'd rather be dropped off and either cache some stuff in hiding or leave a minimal camp with as little as possible worth stealing.  Ghost camp?


 
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: kirkl on October 09, 2017, 11:49:38 AM
We'll okanagan, according to some on this site you can't do that. Better get back every night or pack your stuff up or get the rule changed lol
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 09, 2017, 11:55:33 AM
Those that are so concerned about someone's stash or how long they leave their camp out there need to get a life.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: kselkhunter on October 09, 2017, 12:06:15 PM
One other thing to keep in mind regarding what appears to be an unoccupied camp.  Some of us hunt all day.  I hike out in the dark, and return to camp in the dark.  Anybody that happens by my tent during the day would never see me there.

Just something to think about regarding a tent you never see anybody at during daylight hours.......

Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 09, 2017, 12:07:45 PM
I'm asking a question cause I think it's pretty sad you keep bringing up the 24 hour rule, so if a guy who's camping by himself has to run home for a couple days, then with your logic he needs to completely pack up camp and you'll be calling LE

So back to your barb; I don't go looking for ghost camps so I can run to the cops. I try to be a pretty fair person on the forum here and in the woods, I've learned to be more humble and grateful for my fellow hunters, and I've learned to give way even when it's been clearly my right to tell someone to "buzz" off. When someone smudges my character with an offhand comment, as I thought you had with your previous post, it gets under my saddle blanket a bit.

I've come upon two now that were clearly not base camps and were set up to take up whole campsites, one that could fit 10-12 people, places we'd scouted out, cleaned up, and planned to camp. They were "saved" with $25 Walmart tents with a $10 plastic chair. In one case, we left the tent and chair undisturbed and without reporting it. In the entire 10-day hunt, no one showed up to take it away or claim it. We took it out of the woods at the end of our hunt and brought it to the GPNF headquarters here in Vancouver, in case someone was looking for it. I thought 10 days was enough but maybe you think I was being a jerk. I don't really care. In the second instance, I called GPNF and the ranger showed up that afternoon and took down the tent without a word from us other than "There it is. What do you think?" He thought it was clearly left there days prior in an attempt to hold the spot.

This year, we'd cleaned out a campsite and someone was there when we got up there for the season. Neither of us had a problem with it and we had discussed our options ahead of time for that contingency. This ISN'T about being a tattle-tail, thinking I own the woods, or wanting to destroy someone else's hunt. This is about the rules for camping and fairness, for other hunters AND me. I get that you don't agree. That's what makes the world go 'round. Have a nice day. :tup:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Rainier10 on October 09, 2017, 12:13:20 PM
Personally I just move on.   The world is big enough to let the ephrata boys have their fun.   I guess I live in Yakima country and am used to ghost camps.   No, I don’t like them, but....

Just realized the sign in front of the tent said "ephrata boys".  :chuckle:  I was thinking you were taking a shot at ephrata.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 09, 2017, 12:13:35 PM
One other thing to keep in mind regarding what appears to be an unoccupied camp.  Some of us hunt all day.  I hike out in the dark, and return to camp in the dark.  Anybody that happens by my tent during the day would never see me there.

Just something to think about regarding a tent you never see anybody at during daylight hours.......

First, that wouldn't be 24 hours. Secondly, your tent wouldn't be empty and would look like it was being used.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 09, 2017, 12:15:41 PM
We'll okanagan, according to some on this site you can't do that. Better get back every night or pack your stuff up or get the rule changed lol

Your comment again is inappropriate and disrespectful. If you're too immature to engage in respectful dialogue with people who don't agree with you, then don't engage. But don't call people names. It's against forum rules.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 09, 2017, 12:18:16 PM
I suggest people forget the purpose of this forum is a gathering of ideas and knowledge. This thread, to me, has become a bashing room, much like when liberals can't stand to hear an opposing view. When you run out of ideas, you turn to insults. That's BS and I'm out.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Rainier10 on October 09, 2017, 12:22:42 PM
Cleaned up the name calling.

A healthy debate on the subject is encouraged.  Don't let this spiral into name calling.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Colville on October 09, 2017, 12:33:37 PM
Go back to the OP.  This subject almost never comes up about spike camps for one small tent with gear that a hunter goes to and from.  This is about high and heavy use areas that are easily driven to and access popular public land.  The spots are frequently very high demand and someone is trying to grab not a share, but more than their share.

I don't know anyone who ever thought anything about a tent that was off trail in some basin unoccupied no matter the length during deer season. These disputes are almost always about very high demand camp sites, on roads in high hunter density areas.  When that happens and when someone tries to play the "dibbs" game, especially for a larger chunk of dirt one tent wouldn't require, people get bent. And should.  We don't need to deflect into the rare case in order to defend the usual case.  This isn't really about Pack hunters and their small and efficient base camps.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: CP on October 09, 2017, 12:49:20 PM
Go back to the OP.  This subject almost never comes up about spike camps for one small tent with gear that a hunter goes to and from.  This is about high and heavy use areas that are easily driven to and access popular public land.  The spots are frequently very high demand and someone is trying to grab not a share, but more than their share.

I don't know anyone who ever thought anything about a tent that was off trail in some basin unoccupied no matter the length during deer season. These disputes are almost always about very high demand camp sites, on roads in high hunter density areas.  When that happens and when someone tries to play the "dibbs" game, especially for a larger chunk of dirt one tent wouldn't require, people get bent. And should.  We don't need to deflect into the rare case in order to defend the usual case.  This isn't really about Pack hunters and their small and efficient base camps.

 :yeah:

The OP photo is from Robinson Canyon in the L.T. Murray Wildlife Area.  Not far away on either side are multi RV compounds with picnic tables, ATVs, UTVs, generators, even one with a large flat screen TV.   Then there is the site in the photo, taped off, no vehicle, nothing but an empty tent barely secured enough not to blow away. 

No one’s spike camp, no one is hiking off for the day.  I’m curious if it’s still there or if the E’boys showed up and occupied the camp. But I’m not curious enough to go back and check.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Igor on October 09, 2017, 12:52:01 PM
With all of the time spent being the "ghost camp police", how do you guys find time to hunt ??
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 09, 2017, 12:56:00 PM
My guess is that it was just a false flag op by the Walla Walla boys to direct ire on the good and wholesome Ephrata boys. 
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 09, 2017, 12:57:29 PM
With all of the time spent being the "ghost camp police", how do you guys find time to hunt ??

Exactly.  We'd have a lot more time to hunt if we didn't have to look so long for a decent place to park a hunting camp.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: boneaddict on October 09, 2017, 12:57:54 PM
If it makes any of you feel better, the tent probably isn’t unoccupied. It’s less than a hundred yards from a very active rattlesnake den. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Bob33 on October 09, 2017, 01:03:26 PM
 :yike:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Pinetar on October 09, 2017, 01:05:53 PM
If it makes any of you feel better, the tent probably isn’t unoccupied. It’s less than a hundred yards from a very active rattlesnake den. :chuckle:

Two rattlesnake dens  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Killmore on October 09, 2017, 02:30:16 PM
I have killed rattlers right where that tent is.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Don_D on October 09, 2017, 05:15:28 PM
My guess is that it was just a false flag op by the Walla Walla boys to direct ire on the good and wholesome Ephrata boys.

Lol, nice.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: dscubame on October 09, 2017, 06:53:45 PM
It's hunting season y'all got way better thoughts to be focused on than this nonsense. 

Different areas have different demands.  Where most areas are concerned it ain't a big deal, but for some other small percentage of areas yes ghost camp would suck.  I think all of you are correct in your opinions based on where you camp.

Go get sum this weekend and enjoy the outdoors!
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 09, 2017, 06:58:37 PM
Found this camp day after archery season. S.O.B already staked claim for next year :bash:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: baker5150 on October 09, 2017, 07:24:26 PM
Found this camp day after archery season. S.O.B already staked claim for next year :bash:

There was a legit Teepee in the bumping last year. Guy, wife, and kid it looked like, drove by a few times early and late, I really wanted to stop and see if I could check it out but never had a chance and didn't want to disturb them.
Coolest camp Ive seen yet.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Oh Mah on October 09, 2017, 07:45:29 PM
It's hunting season y'all got way better thoughts to be focused on than this nonsense. 

Different areas have different demands.  Where most areas are concerned it ain't a big deal, but for some other small percentage of areas yes ghost camp would suck.  I think all of you are correct in your opinions based on where you camp.

Go get sum this weekend and enjoy the outdoors!
  :yeah: like setting up camp.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Turner89 on October 09, 2017, 08:50:32 PM
I agree in taking it down but be smart. Don't camp there. Let an unsuspecting camper take the space after you cleaned it up. That way when the guy and his buddies that left the tent show up in the middle of the night drunk you don't have do deal with the threats and cursing. You can camp a couple of spaces over and watch the fireworks.
This is possibly the most unsportsmanlike thing I have ever read.There is something wrong with this guy.
:dunno: :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Oh Mah on October 09, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
where can a person see the 24 hour rule?
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 09, 2017, 09:30:41 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,157983.msg2096951.html#msg2096951
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Bob33 on October 09, 2017, 09:38:38 PM
If this really offends you, take a knee. That will bring people together.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Oh Mah on October 09, 2017, 09:41:51 PM
lol  :yeah:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: jagermiester on October 10, 2017, 06:43:04 AM
Now Lets be honest fellas. There is a huge difference between going over the weekend before camping and scouting and then going home for the week to come back the next weekend to hunt for an extended period of time.
And
Putting up a derelict tent that you don't intend to use then stringing up a bunch of potential litter, (when the rain and wind kick up) then putting up a sign, basically saying its reserved.
I wouldn't touch it I wouldn't tattle on them but I would tell them that I think that it is wrong, because where does it stop? Two weeks before and no parking signs.
Three weeks before and chains across spur roads.
Someone in the group needs to go over early or you need to set up your camp, use it, leave and come back to your camp. Don't pound a bunch of steaks in the ground and tape it off then go home. Almost as bad as posting land that is not private.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 10, 2017, 06:46:43 AM
Now Lets be honest fellas.


First rodeo?
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Ridgeratt on October 10, 2017, 07:56:35 AM
I set my camp up the end of September and will be there until the end of late buck.   :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: boneaddict on October 10, 2017, 09:07:14 AM
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5291562.pdf (https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5291562.pdf)


I googled the rules.   I don’t see anything about ghost camp...just the 14 day rule, not the 24 hour rule.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Bob33 on October 10, 2017, 09:12:33 AM
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5291562.pdf (https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5291562.pdf)


I googled the rules.   I don’t see anything about ghost camp...just the 14 day rule, not the 24 hour rule.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5270138.pdf
•Leaving camping equipment unattended for more than 24 hours without permission. 261.16 (i).
•Failing to have at least one person occupy a camping area during the first night after camping equipment has been set up. 261.16 (h).

However, these rules apply to "Developed Campgrounds" only.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Woodchuck on October 10, 2017, 09:15:09 AM
I put in for and get approved for an "extended stay permit" in NF every year and camp stays up for the entire time. The District Ranger has never told me about a "24hr" rule and there is nothing on the permit he sends back to me about a "24hr" rule. If you think there is an issue, report it if you must, but taking action on your own because of what you think you know may very well put you on the wrong side of the law.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: boneaddict on October 10, 2017, 09:15:30 AM
I’m guessing that’s one of the big confusions.   Mine was for dispersed camping (not in a campground).  I’m honestly looking and I can’t find anything.    Also interesting was the camping near water is written as a suggestion, not a rule or regulation.   I found it interesting because I have camped near water in a developed spot in a campground. 
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: jagermiester on October 10, 2017, 10:06:51 AM
Is this one of those ghost camps?

Prime spot, taped off, $10 tent flapping in the breeze.  How long can you reserve public land in this manner?



So......

Question to everyone who is defending setting up early. Look at the first picture. Would you do it like this?
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: skeeter 20i on October 10, 2017, 11:30:49 AM
Now Lets be honest fellas.


First rodeo?

Spit my coffee on that one.  Thanks.  :tup:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Gobble Doc on October 10, 2017, 11:49:38 AM
I set my camp up the end of September and will be there until the end of late buck.   :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

You must have a nice camp. Probably hot and cold running water.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: DRobnsn on October 10, 2017, 12:09:57 PM
Now Lets be honest fellas.


First rodeo?

Spit my coffee on that one.  Thanks.  :tup:

 :chuckle: Same here.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Seahawk12 on October 10, 2017, 12:31:08 PM
This debate happens each year.
The rules are there, but some people just believe that the rules don't apply to them or that rules are for suckers.
The "first come first serve" does not apply to ghost camps.
It is first come, and following the rules, first serve.
Breaking rules in your own self interest isn't clever. It's self-centered.
Lashing out at those who call it what it is just highlights the fact that you know you're breaking the rules and have no justification.
I guess things like this will always be around when you live in a "me-first" world.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: frazierw on October 10, 2017, 12:49:31 PM
this is a debate as old as our country lol Locke vs Hobbes people are naturally good vs people are naturally selfish.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: rtspring on October 10, 2017, 12:55:16 PM
This debate happens each year.
The rules are there, but some people just believe that the rules don't apply to them or that rules are for suckers.
The "first come first serve" does not apply to ghost camps.
It is first come, and following the rules, first serve.
Breaking rules in your own self interest isn't clever. It's self-centered.
Lashing out at those who call it what it is just highlights the fact that you know you're breaking the rules and have no justification.
I guess things like this will always be around when you live in a "me-first" world.

And you do the  speed limit, use your turn signal on everytime?  RULES are RULES right?  It is first come first served, its called getting off your butt. Instead of driving up the night before the opener and whining because someone  beat you to your spot.

Typical "hunter attitude" is what keeps us apart rather than bringing us together.  For what? A set of damned antlers?  There are those who get stuff done and those that will just complain.  Me me me seems to be the other way around.....
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 10, 2017, 01:01:48 PM
Clearly I didn’t buy enough popcorn for this thread. Four pages and counting over a $10 tent and ribbon.  :bash: This thread might out do the Bigfoot thread.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 10, 2017, 01:05:52 PM
Clearly I didn’t buy enough popcorn for this thread. Four pages and counting over a $10 tent and ribbon.  :bash: This thread might out do the Bigfoot thread.  :dunno:

THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! ;) ;) :( >:( >:( >:(    :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 10, 2017, 01:15:43 PM
Clearly I didn’t buy enough popcorn for this thread. Four pages and counting over a $10 tent and ribbon.  :bash: This thread might out do the Bigfoot thread.  :dunno:

THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! ;) ;) :( >:( >:( >:(    :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

Two days with four pages. It’s off to a pretty good start. It’s sad to say but I see more commits on a thread about a $10 tent. Then I do on a thread about a boys first elk or any successfull/unsuccessful hunting thread.  Those are the suppose threads why we all come to this site, right? Who cares about a $10 tent and ribbon. You really gonna have that ruin your season. Move on. Find another spot. Enjoy the real reason why your out in the woods chasing yeti’s around. I mean what’s the next thread gonna be.  Someone took your parking spot at the trail head.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: baker5150 on October 10, 2017, 01:20:45 PM
This debate happens each year.
The rules are there, but some people just believe that the rules don't apply to them or that rules are for suckers.
The "first come first serve" does not apply to ghost camps.
It is first come, and following the rules, first serve.
Breaking rules in your own self interest isn't clever. It's self-centered.
Lashing out at those who call it what it is just highlights the fact that you know you're breaking the rules and have no justification.
I guess things like this will always be around when you live in a "me-first" world.

And you do the  speed limit, use your turn signal on everytime?  RULES are RULES right?  It is first come first served, its called getting off your butt. Instead of driving up the night before the opener and whining because someone  beat you to your spot.

Typical "hunter attitude" is what keeps us apart rather than bringing us together.  For what? A set of damned antlers?  There are those who get stuff done and those that will just complain.  Me me me seems to be the other way around.....

You have a good point RT, but so does he.

Bending rules and breaking rules are different things, to different people, speeding can literally kill someone, but we all have done it.  Reserving a spot is pretty harmless, yet still not allowed.
It all comes down to where the line is drawn in the eyes and minds of the individual, and occasionally, or ultimately, a LEO.





Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 10, 2017, 01:23:03 PM
Clearly I didn’t buy enough popcorn for this thread. Four pages and counting over a $10 tent and ribbon.  :bash: This thread might out do the Bigfoot thread.  :dunno:

THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! ;) ;) :( >:( >:( >:(    :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

Two days with four pages. It’s off to a pretty good start. It’s sad to say but I see more commits on a thread about a $10 tent. Then I do on a thread about a boys first elk or any successfull/unsuccessful hunting thread.  Those are the suppose threads why we all come to this site, right? Who cares about a $10 tent and ribbon. You really gonna have that ruin your season. Move on. Find another spot. Enjoy the real reason why your out in the woods chasing yeti’s around. I mean what’s the next thread gonna be.  Someone took your parking spot at the trail head.

They look scary.  :yike:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 10, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Clearly I didn’t buy enough popcorn for this thread. Four pages and counting over a $10 tent and ribbon.  :bash: This thread might out do the Bigfoot thread.  :dunno:

THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! ;) ;) :( >:( >:( >:(    :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

Two days with four pages. It’s off to a pretty good start. It’s sad to say but I see more commits on a thread about a $10 tent. Then I do on a thread about a boys first elk or any successfull/unsuccessful hunting thread.  Those are the suppose threads why we all come to this site, right? Who cares about a $10 tent and ribbon. You really gonna have that ruin your season. Move on. Find another spot. Enjoy the real reason why your out in the woods chasing yeti’s around. I mean what’s the next thread gonna be.  Someone took your parking spot at the trail head.

They look scary.  :yike:

I will admit they are scary. What kind of trail cam you capture that one.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 10, 2017, 01:28:32 PM
Clearly I didn’t buy enough popcorn for this thread. Four pages and counting over a $10 tent and ribbon.  :bash: This thread might out do the Bigfoot thread.  :dunno:

THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! ;) ;) :( >:( >:( >:(    :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

Two days with four pages. It’s off to a pretty good start. It’s sad to say but I see more commits on a thread about a $10 tent. Then I do on a thread about a boys first elk or any successfull/unsuccessful hunting thread.  Those are the suppose threads why we all come to this site, right? Who cares about a $10 tent and ribbon. You really gonna have that ruin your season. Move on. Find another spot. Enjoy the real reason why your out in the woods chasing yeti’s around. I mean what’s the next thread gonna be.  Someone took your parking spot at the trail head.

They look scary.  :yike:

I will admit they are scary. What kind of trail cam you capture that one.  :chuckle:

It’s new on the market laughatroncam automatically converts all photos to cartoon quality pics., ;)
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 10, 2017, 01:30:12 PM
It’s new on the market laughatroncam automatically converts all photos to cartoon quality pics., ;)
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Sounds way out of my budget.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: rtspring on October 10, 2017, 01:42:25 PM
WSP just issued a BOLO for any strange looking pink or orange tape surrounding anything that may or may not be a tent!  Warning, may or may not be occupied! DO NOT Approach call for immediate backup! 

They will put all murders, rapes, collisions on hold until these pink tape tents are deemed safe for public entry....
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: rtspring on October 10, 2017, 01:45:27 PM
PRESIDENT TRUMP PRESS RELEASE

"You SOB'S better quit putting up them tents"
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: h20hunter on October 10, 2017, 01:52:13 PM
You forgot to mention 2 point enthusiasts. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: jagermiester on October 10, 2017, 02:11:57 PM
This is hilarious its painfully obvious that the people defending this do it. I do it. But there is no way in hell I would do it like that. I don't know or care if there is a law against it, but roping an area off calling it mine is like a 12 year old licking his favorite glass so no one else can use it.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: boneaddict on October 10, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
This debate happens each year.
The rules are there, but some people just believe that the rules don't apply to them or that rules are for suckers.

I’m approaching this from a neutral position at the moment.   Where are these rules?   That’s the thing, whose rules?
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 10, 2017, 02:17:17 PM
Wow, good thing I bought a large bag of popcorn. :chuckle:

Is it hard to just find another spot??? There's plenty of other spots past that one that I think are better. But that's just me. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Curly on October 10, 2017, 02:24:05 PM
Just tagging to remind me to read later when I have some time.  :hello:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: rtspring on October 10, 2017, 02:37:51 PM
Wow, good thing I bought a large bag of popcorn. :chuckle:

Is it hard to just find another spot??? There's plenty of other spots past that one that I think are better. But that's just me. :chuckle:

When you draw basically a GOV tag every year, a SPOT should not be an issue :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Stein on October 10, 2017, 02:42:03 PM
I just got back from the Everett launch, I strung yellow tape between one of the launch lanes and a broken folding chair in a parking spot for the shrimp opener, does that count?
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 10, 2017, 02:44:41 PM
I just got back from the Everett launch, I strung yellow tape between one of the launch lanes and a broken folding chair in a parking spot for the shrimp opener, does that count?

That’s just littering. It can’t be a broken lawn chair. Items left have to be in good working order.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: b0bbyg on October 10, 2017, 03:35:24 PM
I wish more of you would setup ghost camps.  Then I could scout the good areas from my truck without have to hike  :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 10, 2017, 03:49:56 PM
Wow, good thing I bought a large bag of popcorn. :chuckle:

Is it hard to just find another spot??? There's plenty of other spots past that one that I think are better. But that's just me. :chuckle:

When you draw basically a GOV tag every year, a SPOT should not be an issue :IBCOOL:

I know right?! They should just let those of us that "Draw GOV tags" camp where ever we want, anytime we want. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: goldenhtr on October 10, 2017, 04:49:16 PM
This debate happens each year.
The rules are there, but some people just believe that the rules don't apply to them or that rules are for suckers.

I’m approaching this from a neutral position at the moment.   Where are these rules?   That’s the thing, whose rules?

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Igor on October 10, 2017, 04:57:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/jiKuO7S.gif)
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: cbond3318 on October 10, 2017, 05:04:37 PM
 :dunno:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: cbond3318 on October 10, 2017, 05:25:36 PM
I have a tent in the Blues I set up in spring 1999 for when I hunt the Modern Elk Bull Tag.

Haven’t been back.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Seahawk12 on October 10, 2017, 05:31:06 PM
This debate happens each year.
The rules are there, but some people just believe that the rules don't apply to them or that rules are for suckers.

I’m approaching this from a neutral position at the moment.   Where are these rules?   That’s the thing, whose rules?

 :yeah:
Good question.
Youll have to remember to ask the LEO that is packing a ghost camp into his trunk.
He's probably just straling it, since there are no rules against ghost camps.
Im going to go run to the store now and place a shopping cart in front of each checkout stand. Then I'm going to go next door for some dinner before i actually do any shopping.
Nobody better move my cart or cut in line before i get back and do my shopping either.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: MADMAX on October 10, 2017, 05:38:59 PM
I also really enjoy it when people put a little pup tent up right at the head of a skid road or park an old vehicle there and try to make people think that someone's down the road so no one hunts it and drives right by
Plenty of scams out there
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Oh Mah on October 10, 2017, 05:59:21 PM
This debate happens each year.
The rules are there, but some people just believe that the rules don't apply to them or that rules are for suckers.

I’m approaching this from a neutral position at the moment.   Where are these rules?   That’s the thing, whose rules?
NF ONLY IS WHAT I FOUND,Anyone that can show otherwise please do.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Oh Mah on October 10, 2017, 06:02:13 PM
This debate happens each year.
The rules are there, but some people just believe that the rules don't apply to them or that rules are for suckers.

I’m approaching this from a neutral position at the moment.   Where are these rules?   That’s the thing, whose rules?

 :yeah:
Good question.
Youll have to remember to ask the LEO that is packing a ghost camp into his trunk.
He's probably just straling it, since there are no rules against ghost camps.
Im going to go run to the store now and place a shopping cart in front of each checkout stand. Then I'm going to go next door for some dinner before i actually do any shopping.
Nobody better move my cart or cut in line before i get back and do my shopping either.
[/quo     sorry but totally wrong here,you dont own the property your blocking the lanes with.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Stein on October 10, 2017, 06:14:52 PM
I also really enjoy it when people put a little pup tent up right at the head of a skid road or park an old vehicle there and try to make people think that someone's down the road so no one hunts it and drives right by
Plenty of scams out there

Yeah, fair amount of no trespassing signs on public property.


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Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Ridgeratt on October 10, 2017, 07:01:32 PM
I set my camp up the end of September and will be there until the end of late buck.   :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

You must have a nice camp. Probably hot and cold running water.

Yes I have hot and cold water in my trailer. Doesn't everyone? Besides this way I get a parking spot also.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Snakeriver10 on October 10, 2017, 08:07:47 PM
Isn't this better than the old days when my great uncles would pack in sinks, pipes to be able to run springs into camp, 55 gallon barrels for storage, etc and leave them there for years?       What about the guys who legitimately build small cabins for camps and I stumble upon them while goofing around?      Ghost camps simply tell me I don't need to hunt around that area. 
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 10, 2017, 08:14:08 PM
Isn't this better than the old days when my great uncles would pack in sinks, pipes to be able to run springs into camp, 55 gallon barrels for storage, etc and leave them there for years?       What about the guys who legitimately build small cabins for camps and I stumble upon them while goofing around?      Ghost camps simply tell me I don't need to hunt around that area.

If I stumble upon a cabin in wilderness. I’m marking it on gps and will use it if empty. I’ve found a couple. But a napkin would shield me better from the weather. Then them broken down things would.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: E35alex on October 11, 2017, 07:19:52 AM
I wish more of you would setup ghost camps.  Then I could scout the good areas from my truck without have to hike  :chuckle: :chuckle:

I do that every year before the opener. Dead give away!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: TheHunt on October 11, 2017, 08:10:07 AM
From the responses on this thread, I think there are many people on this site and this thread who use the Ghost Camp as a method.  It shows how popular this approach is to saving a camp site.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: b0bbyg on October 11, 2017, 08:53:18 AM
Wow, good thing I bought a large bag of popcorn. :chuckle:

Is it hard to just find another spot??? There's plenty of other spots past that one that I think are better. But that's just me. :chuckle:

When you draw basically a GOV tag every year, a SPOT should not be an issue :IBCOOL:

I know right?! They should just let those of us that "Draw GOV tags" camp where ever we want, anytime we want. :chuckle:

Why don't you just "Draw a parking/camping Permit" as a match to your Gov tag.   :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 11, 2017, 10:05:00 AM
Here’s something to think about. Some are up in arms about a ghost camp where you drive to. But what about all the guys that hunt the backcountry and scout all summer long. They find a nice little area to call home for the season. So week before the season you put a weeks worth of gear in a pack and hike back 5,8,10 even 14 miles. To come into the area you scouted out three months earlier. Loan and behold you see an outfitters camp their. Not a soul around. They had a ghost camp set up. Now remember you packed in a week early to scout tell opening day. These guys set up camps early and they know they won’t be occupied tell day or two before season. But yet you don’t see nor hear anything about this. Why is that?

 Not that I care cause I always have a few spots picked out. I just move on to the next one. But it’s funny how some are up in arms over a sight you DROVE to. Drive to a new one then.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 11, 2017, 12:00:28 PM
Haven't witnessed that. The outfitters I know usually take people in a day or 2 before season. Some a little earlier but those might be guys who want to fish, camp, or bear hunt before the season opens. I have no problem with that. If you don't like it get away from the trail.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 11, 2017, 01:58:42 PM
Haven't witnessed that. The outfitters I know usually take people in a day or 2 before season. Some a little earlier but those might be guys who want to fish, camp, or bear hunt before the season opens. I have no problem with that. If you don't like it get away from the trail.

Bahahahahaha. Get away from the trail. That’s cute.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: jagermiester on October 11, 2017, 02:38:21 PM
Here’s something to think about. Some are up in arms about a ghost camp where you drive to. But what about all the guys that hunt the backcountry and scout all summer long. They find a nice little area to call home for the season. So week before the season you put a weeks worth of gear in a pack and hike back 5,8,10 even 14 miles. To come into the area you scouted out three months earlier. Loan and behold you see an outfitters camp their. Not a soul around. They had a ghost camp set up. Now remember you packed in a week early to scout tell opening day. These guys set up camps early and they know they won’t be occupied tell day or two before season. But yet you don’t see nor hear anything about this. Why is that?

 Not that I care cause I always have a few spots picked out. I just move on to the next one. But it’s funny how some are up in arms over a sight you DROVE to. Drive to a new one then.

What if you made your way into the draw and no camp was set up but there was signs and red tape up that said Ephrata boy's outfitters  (reserved)
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 11, 2017, 03:03:48 PM
Here’s something to think about. Some are up in arms about a ghost camp where you drive to. But what about all the guys that hunt the backcountry and scout all summer long. They find a nice little area to call home for the season. So week before the season you put a weeks worth of gear in a pack and hike back 5,8,10 even 14 miles. To come into the area you scouted out three months earlier. Loan and behold you see an outfitters camp their. Not a soul around. They had a ghost camp set up. Now remember you packed in a week early to scout tell opening day. These guys set up camps early and they know they won’t be occupied tell day or two before season. But yet you don’t see nor hear anything about this. Why is that?

 Not that I care cause I always have a few spots picked out. I just move on to the next one. But it’s funny how some are up in arms over a sight you DROVE to. Drive to a new one then.

What if you made your way into the draw and no camp was set up but there was signs and red tape up that said Ephrata boy's outfitters  (reserved)

With or without a $10 tent inside ribbon?
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Naches Sportsman on October 11, 2017, 03:07:57 PM
Here’s something to think about. Some are up in arms about a ghost camp where you drive to. But what about all the guys that hunt the backcountry and scout all summer long. They find a nice little area to call home for the season. So week before the season you put a weeks worth of gear in a pack and hike back 5,8,10 even 14 miles. To come into the area you scouted out three months earlier. Loan and behold you see an outfitters camp their. Not a soul around. They had a ghost camp set up. Now remember you packed in a week early to scout tell opening day. These guys set up camps early and they know they won’t be occupied tell day or two before season. But yet you don’t see nor hear anything about this. Why is that?

 Not that I care cause I always have a few spots picked out. I just move on to the next one. But it’s funny how some are up in arms over a sight you DROVE to. Drive to a new one then.
Usually an outfitter has permission in their issued usfs permits that permit them to put and leave camps up throughout the season.  Same with some public back country camps have/had usfs issues permits to leave camps up.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 11, 2017, 03:14:13 PM
Here’s something to think about. Some are up in arms about a ghost camp where you drive to. But what about all the guys that hunt the backcountry and scout all summer long. They find a nice little area to call home for the season. So week before the season you put a weeks worth of gear in a pack and hike back 5,8,10 even 14 miles. To come into the area you scouted out three months earlier. Loan and behold you see an outfitters camp their. Not a soul around. They had a ghost camp set up. Now remember you packed in a week early to scout tell opening day. These guys set up camps early and they know they won’t be occupied tell day or two before season. But yet you don’t see nor hear anything about this. Why is that?

 Not that I care cause I always have a few spots picked out. I just move on to the next one. But it’s funny how some are up in arms over a sight you DROVE to. Drive to a new one then.
Usually an outfitter has permission in their issued usfs permits that permit them to put and leave camps up throughout the season.  Same with some public back country camps have/had usfs issues permits to leave camps up.

Good info. Thanks. Never knew that. Nor did I take time to look into it. Cause honestly never bothered me. I just “got off the trail” even more
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: 2MANY on October 11, 2017, 03:40:36 PM
Guys complain about people leaving items in the woods all year.
Then the same folks complaining leave dozens of cameras in the woods for the whole year.


Seems like both parties are littering to me.

Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: Elkcollector82 on October 11, 2017, 04:25:32 PM
Guys complain about people leaving items in the woods all year.
Then the same folks complaining leave dozens of cameras in the woods for the whole year.


Seems like both parties are littering to me.

Yet we all drive vehicles and pollute the earth. I can careless who sets what camp where or who hangs cameras on tree. Long as they pick their stuff up when done. All I care about. I can find my own spot. I don’t need to ribbon it off or complain if someone sets camp right next to me. Heck you can even hang your camera on the same tree as mine. All I ask is leave my stuff alone and pick your stuff up when done.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: NRA4LIFE on October 11, 2017, 05:02:39 PM
My buddy and I have at least 4 or 5 different options on where to camp, always.  If someone got there first, move on to the next option.  Live with it.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: jagermiester on October 11, 2017, 05:21:43 PM
Here’s something to think about. Some are up in arms about a ghost camp where you drive to. But what about all the guys that hunt the backcountry and scout all summer long. They find a nice little area to call home for the season. So week before the season you put a weeks worth of gear in a pack and hike back 5,8,10 even 14 miles. To come into the area you scouted out three months earlier. Loan and behold you see an outfitters camp their. Not a soul around. They had a ghost camp set up. Now remember you packed in a week early to scout tell opening day. These guys set up camps early and they know they won’t be occupied tell day or two before season. But yet you don’t see nor hear anything about this. Why is that?

 Not that I care cause I always have a few spots picked out. I just move on to the next one. But it’s funny how some are up in arms over a sight you DROVE to. Drive to a new one then.

What if you made your way into the draw and no camp was set up but there was signs and red tape up that said Ephrata boy's outfitters  (reserved)

With or without a $10 tent inside ribbon?

This made me laugh out loud.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: 2MANY on October 12, 2017, 08:55:17 AM
The amount we pay to play the State and Feds should have a tent and stove set up for us before we get there.
Title: Re: Ghost camp
Post by: WapitiChaser on October 13, 2017, 07:06:49 PM
Gotta agree with RTspring here boys. No gap between deer and elk,  if your motivated enough to go pick your spot early (a week or less). Then so be it and good for you!  If you don't wanna search for a spot to camp at midnight before opening day then have at it.   BUT,  you better use that spot or have it down by opening day!!
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