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Title: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 02, 2018, 06:45:52 AM
So I finally am looking into purchasing a semi auto pistol. Mostly for concealed carry. I'm not super into reloading but my old man has everything for it so I do it. He is set up for .32, 9mm, and .380 so I'd like one of those calibers but I am not set on it (I'll buy a setup for a new caliber if it makes sense).

I've owned several wheel guns but know next to nothing about semi autos. Is there a good gun shop in the greater puget sound area with knowledgeable staff who can answer questions? I dont really have any preferrence and have an open mind but want to make an informed decision, but I also don't want to be sold something by the someone with no clue what they're talking about. Thanks!
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2018, 06:56:26 AM
357 Sig Sauer cartridge is a very nice caliber. I have the 250 Compact, holds 13+1. Came with Sig Lites (?) ( Night Sights )

You tube iit..

Glock makes a model also.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: C-Money on January 02, 2018, 07:00:32 AM
I really like the S&W Shield. I usually try to get something a little more unique, but there is a reason the Shield is so popular. They are VERY dependable, shoot very well, feel great in your hand, and conceal like a champ. They come in 9mm, 40, and 45. I like the 9mm with 8+1 capacity. Pick up an Alien Gear Shape Shift holster and you will be set for any situation.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2018, 07:04:22 AM
I really like the S&W Shield. I usually try to get something a little more unique, but there is a reason the Shield is so popular. They are VERY dependable, shoot very well, feel great in your hand, and conceal like a champ. They come in 9mm, 40, and 45. I like the 9mm with 8+1 capacity. Pick up an Alien Gear Shape Shift holster and you will be set for any situation.



I've never owned one, but have fondled them.

Idea, go to the local gun store/range and rent couple different models and calibers.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 02, 2018, 07:10:33 AM
Yea but no fondling allowed at the range!! :chuckle:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: biggfish on January 02, 2018, 07:36:01 AM
Don't know where you're located, but I like WGS guns in Lakewood. Staff seems to know what they are doing. Surplus ammo and arms in Tacoma has a good staff but they seem a bit pricey to me.

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Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: wadu1 on January 02, 2018, 07:53:21 AM
I looked at the S&W Shield and the Ruger LC9S both in 9mm. I ended up with the LC9s just because the trigger felt better too me. Purchased an Uncle Mike's LE belt holster that can be arranged R/L or cross draw. Both are good CC firearms get the one that feels good or even better try them out.  :twocents:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Scheindogg on January 02, 2018, 08:35:52 AM
I have a Shield 9mm and love it, it’s really nice!

If you decide to go the .380 route I would 100% go for the Glock 42. I wasn’t a fan of Glock until I shot the 42 and realized how AMAZING it handles and shoots!

I also agree with wadu1, if you can try them out first. Go to the range and shoot a half box of your top 2 or 3 and see which gun feels best for YOU.
 8)
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Fungunnin on January 02, 2018, 08:43:47 AM
If you are a wheel gun fan look at Kahr. The PM 9 is a small slim gun and the trigger pull isvery similar to a Smith double action trigger. They also make a steel framed version. The K9 and KM9

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Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: b23 on January 02, 2018, 09:10:15 AM
So I finally am looking into purchasing a semi auto pistol. Mostly for concealed carry. I'm not super into reloading but my old man has everything for it so I do it. He is set up for .32, 9mm, and .380 so I'd like one of those calibers but I am not set on it (I'll buy a setup for a new caliber if it makes sense).

I've owned several wheel guns but know next to nothing about semi autos. Is there a good gun shop in the greater puget sound area with knowledgeable staff who can answer questions? I dont really have any preferrence and have an open mind but want to make an informed decision, but I also don't want to be sold something by the someone with no clue what they're talking about. Thanks!

Do you have somewhat of a price range you'd like to stay within?  Knowing your price range will help make better suggestions.

The M&P Shield is a great choice for a CCW.  I have the M&P Shield Performance Center version in 9mm and like it very well.  I think the trigger in the Shield PC version is the best of any in its class.  The Walther PPS M2 and Glock 43 are both nice CCW but I thought the trigger in the Shield PC was a fair bit better.

One thing is for certain, there is no shortage of options out there to choose from.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 02, 2018, 09:29:47 AM
Thanks for the input guys. I'm less concerned with price and more with getting something I want that will last. I've so far been able to avoid "collecting" guns so I want whatever I buy to be my CC for a long time.

There was a range up in Redmond or bellevue I went to a few times that had gun rentals I kind of forgot that was an option. Anyone know of any that are farther south? I'm I'm Wilkeson and haven't shot at a range in maybe fifteen years.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2018, 10:17:55 AM
9mm..

Good luck! Nine out of ten counter guys at gun shops are complete 🤡 CLOWN'S🤡.

I really enjoy milling around a gun shop where I can hear Mr. Slick behind the counter trying to sell a guy whatever handgun has the largest profit margin at the given moment. 
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Eric M on January 02, 2018, 10:42:46 AM
I really like the S&W Shield. I usually try to get something a little more unique, but there is a reason the Shield is so popular. They are VERY dependable, shoot very well, feel great in your hand, and conceal like a champ. They come in 9mm, 40, and 45. I like the 9mm with 8+1 capacity. Pick up an Alien Gear Shape Shift holster and you will be set for any situation.
:yeah:
The Ruger lcr. 38 hammerless is a wheel gun but a pretty nice ccw. I don't think you can go wrong with lc9 or the m and p shield. The Smith and Wesson bg's are okay too and have a laser on them. 
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: mossy8352 on January 02, 2018, 10:49:37 AM
My friend spent a lot of time shooting various hand guns here.
https://themarksman.store/
Then shopped around for the best deal. Best way to do it really!!
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: follow maggie on January 02, 2018, 11:10:04 AM
The best thing is to go to a range where you can rent and try out several pieces. That being said, I carry a Ruger LC9 with the integrated laserlite(?) and I love it. It's pretty accurate, light & comfortable to carry concealed. The only thing I would do different is a green laser instead of red.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: slavenoid on January 02, 2018, 11:12:45 AM
If you're wanting only one gun by a 9mm. Smaller is better for concealed but don't go too small or it won't be fun to shoot. A gun big enough to grip comfortably with two hands will be much more versatile and have better sights. Tiny guns have their roles but since you only want one I wouldn't get something like a ruger lcp.

My advice would be to research how to properly grip a semiautomatic handgun and go to a gun shop and duplicate that grip on several models. See which ones feels more comfortable. Try operating the safety (If you are into safeties) and magazine release. Depending on your hands some guns may be very difficult to operate the safety and others will feel great.

Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: lewy on January 02, 2018, 11:35:18 AM
As far as a local dealer, go down to bij j's they will help you out
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Alchase on January 02, 2018, 11:40:45 AM
Of the three calibers you listed, I would go with the 9mm.
I prefer the .40, to the 9mm, but the 9mm is more than sufficient.
Choose you're caliber, then go try on the different makes/models in that caliber. There are many very good handguns out there, it all comes down to what you are comfortable shooting and how you will be carrying. Single stack 9mms are about the easiest to conceal, and sub-compacts are even easier. I have no problem carrying and concealing a 4 in. Springfield XD in .40 cal or a Kimber .45 cal. Others think that is too large to conceal.

I choose handguns in this order:
Caliber
Make/Model (How it fits me and how I shoot it)
Carry (IWB/OWB)
Cost
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Scheindogg on January 02, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
Thanks for the input guys. I'm less concerned with price and more with getting something I want that will last. I've so far been able to avoid "collecting" guns so I want whatever I buy to be my CC for a long time.

There was a range up in Redmond or bellevue I went to a few times that had gun rentals I kind of forgot that was an option. Anyone know of any that are farther south? I'm I'm Wilkeson and haven't shot at a range in maybe fifteen years.
Less concerned about price I’d go with Glock 42(.380) or 43(9mm). They are both great out of the box fun/easy to shoot guns with potential for upgrades if you go that route!
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2018, 12:09:17 PM
Yea but no fondling allowed at the range!! :chuckle:
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Maybe in secret when nobody is looking............... :tup:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2018, 12:14:04 PM
Why p....foot around. Get a Glock 29sf in 10mm and be done with it. I carry that when I go into Tucson. More horsepower.. :tup:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 02, 2018, 03:48:19 PM
I went up to my dad's after work to handle a couple of his semi autos. The smaller ones felt a little too light to me. Is it worth having a little extra weight for better control or does it get cumbersome carrying around and trying to conceal?

I already forgot what he said it was but I did like the feel of his 9mm Glock but he didn't seem keen to let me test it for a couple of years to see if I liked it  :dunno:  :chuckle:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 02, 2018, 03:57:55 PM
Also am I seeing correctly that a .38 special and 9mm shoot the same bullets? I have a ton of bullets lying around for my .38 and it would be great to standardize as much as possible.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Scheindogg on January 02, 2018, 04:07:54 PM
Also am I seeing correctly that a .38 special and 9mm shoot the same bullets? I have a ton of bullets lying around for my .38 and it would be great to standardize as much as possible.
I would never shoot different calibers in the same gun without a conversion barrel.
As for your previous statement about 9mm glocks, they are great. I know many who love their Glock 19 for carry it is compact. But if you’re going for subcompact people with the “baby Glock” Glock 26 is a great 9mm Glock that’s a bit beefier than the single stack glock 43.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: slavenoid on January 02, 2018, 04:37:12 PM
I went up to my dad's after work to handle a couple of his semi autos. The smaller ones felt a little too light to me. Is it worth having a little extra weight for better control or does it get cumbersome carrying around and trying to conceal?

I already forgot what he said it was but I did like the feel of his 9mm Glock but he didn't seem keen to let me test it for a couple of years to see if I liked it  :dunno:  :chuckle:

If the pistols were unloaded it's normal to feel light. Some guns hold a lot of lead in them when fully loaded. Glocks are fantastic guns. The people who hate them do it for silly reasons. If you like quality tools but don't need em to be fancy or shiney glock is a good choice.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Alchase on January 02, 2018, 04:48:42 PM
I went up to my dad's after work to handle a couple of his semi autos. The smaller ones felt a little too light to me. Is it worth having a little extra weight for better control or does it get cumbersome carrying around and trying to conceal?

I already forgot what he said it was but I did like the feel of his 9mm Glock but he didn't seem keen to let me test it for a couple of years to see if I liked it  :dunno:  :chuckle:

If the pistols were unloaded it's normal to feel light. Some guns hold a lot of lead in them when fully loaded. Glocks are fantastic guns. The people who hate them do it for silly reasons. If you like quality tools but don't need em to be fancy or shiney glock is a good choice.

I don't hate Glocks, and I have owned a few of them. I choose not to shoot them any more. I have found other pistols fit me better then Glocks do. They are still very good pistols.
Discounting peoples likes or dislikes because they are different than yours really takes away from your own statements.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: jrebel on January 02, 2018, 04:52:38 PM
Don't overlook the Ruger sr9c or sr40c.  Great trigger and fantastic shooters.  Very affordable.  I also like the walther ppq m2......very smooth and feels good in my hands. 
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: jdb on January 02, 2018, 05:01:24 PM
Are you going to carry everyday? If so the single stack 9's are the way to go imho. I was in the exact same boat as you one year ago and bought the lcp.380 and regret it. It carries like a dream but its woefully in accurate and just not fun to shoot. Then I bought an m&p9c that shoots great and carries well on the belt but it's to big for pocket carry. On a beltbyou don't even know you have it. It shoots better than I ever thought it would too. I'm happy with my m&p and plan to keep it but for my lifestyle it's just too big for everyday carry. In the future I will add a single stack 9 to my aresonal and probably move the .380 down the road. I guess in a long winded way what I'm trying to say is if your going to carry everyday look at the smaller single stack 9's. If your looking to carry occasionally and shoot a lot I'd look at the double stack compacts. I.e. G19/m&p9c
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: jdb on January 02, 2018, 05:04:36 PM
I went up to my dad's after work to handle a couple of his semi autos. The smaller ones felt a little too light to me. Is it worth having a little extra weight for better control or does it get cumbersome carrying around and trying to conceal?

I already forgot what he said it was but I did like the feel of his 9mm Glock but he didn't seem keen to let me test it for a couple of years to see if I liked it  :dunno:  :chuckle:

If the pistols were unloaded it's normal to feel light. Some guns hold a lot of lead in them when fully loaded. Glocks are fantastic guns. The people who hate them do it for silly reasons. If you like quality tools but don't need em to be fancy or shiney glock is a good choice.

I don't hate Glocks, and I have owned a few of them. I choose not to shoot them any more. I have found other pistols fit me better then Glocks do. They are still very good pistols.
Discounting peoples likes or dislikes because they are different than yours really takes away from your own statements.
i agree completely!!! I think glock is the most bullet proof hand gun made and I'm definitely more of a who cares what it looks like guy but they just don't feel good in my hand :dunno:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: CaNINE on January 02, 2018, 05:59:56 PM
JP - for a defense pistol I recommend a .45 Cal. Yes a 9mm will work but I've seen them fail to stop threats in real life. 230 grains punched center mass takes the fight out of just about anything.

Personally I'm fond of compact 1911's.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 02, 2018, 06:05:40 PM
Also am I seeing correctly that a .38 special and 9mm shoot the same bullets? I have a ton of bullets lying around for my .38 and it would be great to standardize as much as possible.
I would never shoot different calibers in the same gun without a conversion barrel.
As for your previous statement about 9mm glocks, they are great. I know many who love their Glock 19 for carry it is compact. But if you’re going for subcompact people with the “baby Glock” Glock 26 is a great 9mm Glock that’s a bit beefier than the single stack glock 43.

I was speaking strictly from a bullet standpoint not the entire cartridge. I got a couple hundred bullets when I bought brass and primers for my 38 and if they can share some reloading components I think that will point me in the 9mm direction.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Bofire on January 02, 2018, 06:14:29 PM
Go some place you can rent guns and shoot a bunch.
CArl
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 02, 2018, 06:17:49 PM
My friend spent a lot of time shooting various hand guns here.
https://themarksman.store/
Then shopped around for the best deal. Best way to do it really!!

Anybody know if the staff here is knowledgeable? This is pretty close to me
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Alchase on January 02, 2018, 06:39:00 PM
My friend spent a lot of time shooting various hand guns here.
https://themarksman.store/
Then shopped around for the best deal. Best way to do it really!!

Anybody know if the staff here is knowledgeable? This is pretty close to me

I do not know them at all, I will say as others have, it is rare to find good handgun knowledge at the gun counters of most stores.
I would trust getting information from an "internet hunting forum" before a salesman at a gun counter. If someone in an "internet hunting forum" tries to BS you, chance are someone will call them out and add the correct information.
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2018, 06:47:20 PM
Go by the 21 foot rule on gun fights and see what caliber has been used the most to kill someone in self defense. I can bet you a dollar, it's a 9mm or a 40 cal that LEO carry, hands down. All the internet experts on here or any other forum have no experience at killing someone and with zero statistics to prove so. I don't.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 02, 2018, 06:50:33 PM
And I'm hoping to stay in the camp that has no experience in a gunfight lol but I do want the option should a gun fight be thrust upon me.

Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: KFhunter on January 02, 2018, 07:21:04 PM
For Every Day Carry (EDC) don't discount revolvers, I really like them.   

I really like a button hammer revolver in .357, a snub nose airweight is great for EDC and you can run .38s in it too, even if I wanted to just shoot the .38 I'd get the .357 for resale.

It's harder to peel it from your grip, won't go out of battery if you shove it someones guts and start yanking on the trigger fast as you can, and it won't tangle in clothing and stop the slide. 



When to use it is another discussion.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Alchase on January 02, 2018, 07:30:49 PM
For Every Day Carry (EDC) don't discount revolvers, I really like them.   

I really like a button hammer revolver in .357, a snub nose airweight is great for EDC and you can run .38s in it too, even if I wanted to just shoot the .38 I'd get the .357 for resale.

It's harder to peel it from your grip, won't go out of battery if you shove it someones guts and start yanking on the trigger fast as you can, and it won't tangle in clothing and stop the slide. 



When to use it is another discussion.


Revolvers are so 1980s :peep:

Obviously just kidding  :chuckle:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 02, 2018, 07:56:23 PM
For Every Day Carry (EDC) don't discount revolvers, I really like them.   

I really like a button hammer revolver in .357, a snub nose airweight is great for EDC and you can run .38s in it too, even if I wanted to just shoot the .38 I'd get the .357 for resale.

It's harder to peel it from your grip, won't go out of battery if you shove it someones guts and start yanking on the trigger fast as you can, and it won't tangle in clothing and stop the slide. 



When to use it is another discussion.

I've thought about carrying the revolver but I like the option of having more than six shots and a faster reload. It will still be my companion while I hunt but I like the versatility of holding potentially double the shells.

I don't see anything romantic about a semi auto though and I do love shooting the wheel gun.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: slavenoid on January 02, 2018, 10:02:20 PM
I went up to my dad's after work to handle a couple of his semi autos. The smaller ones felt a little too light to me. Is it worth having a little extra weight for better control or does it get cumbersome carrying around and trying to conceal?

I already forgot what he said it was but I did like the feel of his 9mm Glock but he didn't seem keen to let me test it for a couple of years to see if I liked it  :dunno:  :chuckle:

If the pistols were unloaded it's normal to feel light. Some guns hold a lot of lead in them when fully loaded. Glocks are fantastic guns. The people who hate them do it for silly reasons. If you like quality tools but don't need em to be fancy or shiney glock is a good choice.

I don't hate Glocks, and I have owned a few of them. I choose not to shoot them any more. I have found other pistols fit me better then Glocks do. They are still very good pistols.
Discounting peoples likes or dislikes because they are different than yours really takes away from your own statements.

Perhaps I should have said Some people who hate them do it for silly reasons. You run something else cuz it's better for you that's awesome.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Lincoln4 on January 02, 2018, 10:44:42 PM
To answer some of your questions...

I've rented pistols from, bought a pistol from, and used the range at the Marksman.  All a few years ago.  They used to require you attend a brief safety class before using the range.  So call ahead to make sure you can get the class done and then shoot.  I did in the past find their pistol prices higher than I could find other places.

Once you find a pistol you like, I've been happy with prices and service at Blacktail Arms in Buckley, and Brad's Guns in Lake Tapps.

https://blacktailarms.com/ (https://blacktailarms.com/)

http://www.bradsguns.com/ (http://www.bradsguns.com/)
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: jaymark6655 on January 03, 2018, 07:03:00 AM
How do you plan to carry it? I personally like the Glock 42. I have carried a 1911, a Glock 23 and a Glock 27 and nothing was a small and easy to forget that I was carrying it as that 42. It can go in a pocket holster and be carried in place of my wallet without peaking out of my back pocket and it slim even compared to the Glock 43, not by much but think how little is needed to make your wallet feel too thick. I can say I have to fired any other weapon of that size in that caliber that shoots anywhere as nice as it. IWB it can be carried without a belt depending on your pants. Since I almost always wear a belt with pants, I can usually carry something larger without feeling the weight too much.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 03, 2018, 07:05:28 AM
For Every Day Carry (EDC) don't discount revolvers, I really like them.   

I really like a button hammer revolver in .357, a snub nose airweight is great for EDC and you can run .38s in it too, even if I wanted to just shoot the .38 I'd get the .357 for resale.

It's harder to peel it from your grip, won't go out of battery if you shove it someones guts and start yanking on the trigger fast as you can, and it won't tangle in clothing and stop the slide. 



When to use it is another discussion.
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I used to carry a Lou Horton Special about 30 years ago when KF was a little pup. It was a 3 inch, 44 mag wheel gun. Shooting it was a dream too..  :chuckle:  Go big or go home as they say.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: biggfish on January 03, 2018, 07:37:59 AM
Also am I seeing correctly that a .38 special and 9mm shoot the same bullets? I have a ton of bullets lying around for my .38 and it would be great to standardize as much as possible.
I'm guessing you're referring to reloading here, the answer is no you can reload the same bullets between .357 mag and .38 but not 9mm. .380 acp, 9mm luger, .38 special, .357 mag, etc. are all in the 9mm family but the bullets are not interchangeable when handloading. Also just a word of advice don't use reloads as carry rounds, lots of advice on the internet steering people away as a lawyer may paint you into a corner as to premeditation.

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Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Cab on January 03, 2018, 11:21:58 AM
So I was in kind of a similar boat as you. I spent around 5-6 months doing research, reading forums, youtube videos and everything I could. Here is what I found which is subjective as I am not experienced as other on concealed carrying.

-9mm is the cal most like simply due to the fact that 9mm ammo prices are affordable and that means you'll practice more.
- Single stack 9mm are popular for a reason right now and thats because they are so comfortable for most to conceal in multiple ways. If it's not comfortable you won't bring it. One of my buddies picked up a pocket single stack 9mm because he can put it in his pocket and its comfortable. He carries a very high % because of this and that's key.
-A good Holster will make a world of difference so with that in mind it might be good to look at how available holsters are for those pistols. Not a huge deal but still it can make a difference. This also goes for aftermarket parts if you think you might want to upgrade sights etc.
-Weight the options of Striker fired vs DA pick one and that will narrow it down.
-If you can try and rent some to try them out.

In the end I bought a Walther PPS LE in 9mm which came with 3 mags a flush fitting 6, extended 7 and 8. The only downside for this pistol is the options for holsters but it just means I have to order online. A good resource is Paul Harrell youtube channel as it's straight forward and insightful. Best of luck
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: The scout on January 03, 2018, 11:28:28 AM
I guess I might look at it a little different. The idea of “carry “ pistol is for something that is threatening your life potentially. For a little more weight why wouldn’t you go with a 45 over a 9. A lot more energy for the little extra weight. I think some people carry just to say they do because they can.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Alchase on January 03, 2018, 11:31:29 AM
For Every Day Carry (EDC) don't discount revolvers, I really like them.   

I really like a button hammer revolver in .357, a snub nose airweight is great for EDC and you can run .38s in it too, even if I wanted to just shoot the .38 I'd get the .357 for resale.

It's harder to peel it from your grip, won't go out of battery if you shove it someones guts and start yanking on the trigger fast as you can, and it won't tangle in clothing and stop the slide. 



When to use it is another discussion.
\




I used to carry a Lou Horton Special about 30 years ago when KF was a little pup. It was a 3 inch, 44 mag wheel gun. Shooting it was a dream too..  :chuckle:  Go big or go home as they say.

I use to carry S&W .41 mag, 3in, with hammer shaved, was just a peach to shoot, LOL
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 03, 2018, 12:34:36 PM
Why not just buy a 22LR pistol. It will kill you just as dead as a 9mm, 10mm, 44 mag, 38, 357 etc.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: jrebel on January 03, 2018, 12:37:51 PM
Why not just buy a 22LR pistol. It will kill you just as dead as a 9mm, 10mm, 44 mag, 38, 357 etc.

I sometimes carry my .22 mag ruger lcr.  Super light weight and crazy accurate.  I wouldn't want to get shot with it.....
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 03, 2018, 12:45:21 PM
Why not just buy a 22LR pistol. It will kill you just as dead as a 9mm, 10mm, 44 mag, 38, 357 etc.

I sometimes carry my .22 mag ruger lcr.  Super light weight and crazy accurate.  I wouldn't want to get shot with it.....


I had to double check on the LCR 22mag. I thought it was a pistol, my bad if the other post got out there.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 03, 2018, 01:06:49 PM
I guess I might look at it a little different. The idea of “carry “ pistol is for something that is threatening your life potentially. For a little more weight why wouldn’t you go with a 45 over a 9. A lot more energy for the little extra weight. I think some people carry just to say they do because they can.

Is a 9mm really too small? I've never been shot but I can't imagine a close range pistol hit to be something to shrug off.

I don't know I'm truly asking; is there really anything to the bigger is better claim other than it's better to be over prepared?
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 03, 2018, 01:14:10 PM
I guess I might look at it a little different. The idea of “carry “ pistol is for something that is threatening your life potentially. For a little more weight why wouldn’t you go with a 45 over a 9. A lot more energy for the little extra weight. I think some people carry just to say they do because they can.

Is a 9mm really too small? I've never been shot but I can't imagine a close range pistol hit to be something to shrug off.

I don't know I'm truly asking; is there really anything to the bigger is better claim other than it's better to be over prepared?

The 9mm is plenty! They are accurate usually lighter than a .45 with the same magazine capacity. Some find the 9mm easier to control and get back on target others can control both just fine. While I like the 9mm, I find myself carrying a .45 more often. Especially in the colder months of the year when heavier clothes conceal a 1911 frame much better than a t-shirt and shorts.

My thought process is. A 9mm bullet may expand but a .45 bullet sure isn't going to shrink!
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: The scout on January 03, 2018, 01:24:36 PM
I guess I might look at it a little different. The idea of “carry “ pistol is for something that is threatening your life potentially. For a little more weight why wouldn’t you go with a 45 over a 9. A lot more energy for the little extra weight. I think some people carry just to say they do because they can.

Is a 9mm really too small? I've never been shot but I can't imagine a close range pistol hit to be something to shrug off.

I don't know I'm truly asking; is there really anything to the bigger is better claim other than it's better to be over prepared?


i guess when it comes to life or death and you may only get off a few shots why not 45. I would not want to get shot with a 9mm either or a 22 for that matter.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Special T on January 03, 2018, 01:31:56 PM
I forget the name but there was a revolver made that you could shoot all manner of 9mm ish rounds out of. 380,all 9mm, all 38 and 357 rounds. It was a snub nosed revolver with a special kind of cylinder to grab the different kinds of cartridge lips.

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Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 03, 2018, 04:34:30 PM
I'm looking through some other threads and reading through some reviews and articles and am finding lots of comments about swapping out parts like sights and springs to improve on some of the models. Is that something that guys do because they like tinkering with and customizing their guns or is that a red flag to stay away from a model with a known defect?

Thanks again for all the help and input its truly appreciated.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: KFhunter on January 03, 2018, 05:50:50 PM
yes and no

Glock guys running 10 mm like to beef up their guns so they can shoot ammunition that is heavier than what the factory tuned the gun for. 
Some added parts to beef up the gun is warranted when shooting the big stuff, and improve accuracy for the heavier bullets and better support for the brass with all that pressure.  This is probably what you see most in a hunting forum, beefing up 10mm guns to shoot big powerful rounds for charging bears.

Other guys want to mess around with different conversions, I put that in the tinkering category, it's fun and easy to do.

Other guys like adding bling, customize grips or change sights for personal preference. 

A modded gun can shoot circles around a factory one, or it can jam and be worthless.  Just depends on the person doing it and combination of parts used. 
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Romulus1297 on January 03, 2018, 06:39:14 PM
Why not just get the hk factory nickel p7m13 if that's to big try to get a hk nickel p7m8 or the p7m10 and if you don't like those try hk pk3 or a plain p7. :dunno:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Dan-o on January 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
I have a Glock 20 (10mm) that I LOVE to shoot.
I got a stouter spring, since I have some heavy loads for Griz country.
But it's too big to conceal carry.

I have a Ruger LC9S in 9 mm, and it is a fun little pistol.

There's no need to change sights/springs/grips/bling......... unless you want to.

I encourage you to seriously consider size for a carry pistol.    My Ruger is so much more carry-able.
And as always, the best self defense pistol is the one you'll actually wear.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 03, 2018, 08:29:23 PM
I'm looking through some other threads and reading through some reviews and articles and am finding lots of comments about swapping out parts like sights and springs to improve on some of the models. Is that something that guys do because they like tinkering with and customizing their guns or is that a red flag to stay away from a model with a known defect?

Thanks again for all the help and input its truly appreciated.


Actually, each mfgr spends hundreds of thousands of dollars to make a specific a caliber work with each weapon. The ammo has changed so much with technology, you really don't need to change anything unless you're Biggerhammer. Just buy a gun and buy the store bought ammo and you're good to go.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: syoungs on January 03, 2018, 08:41:20 PM
38/357 are slightly bigger, .357, 9mm is. 355. I use .355 bullets out if a 38 for plinking ammo. Don't think I'd do it the other way around though
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on January 03, 2018, 11:07:40 PM
SP101
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Eric M on January 03, 2018, 11:33:51 PM
SP101

 :yeah: :yeah:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 04, 2018, 12:54:04 AM
SP101

 :yeah: :yeah:

Great revolver, stout, bullet proof! Fits in your back pocket. A real power house...
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: biggfish on January 04, 2018, 02:41:11 AM
I forget the name but there was a revolver made that you could shoot all manner of 9mm ish rounds out of. 380,all 9mm, all 38 and 357 rounds. It was a snub nosed revolver with a special kind of cylinder to grab the different kinds of cartridge lips.

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The make and model escape me but I recall reading about a .357 mag that could shoot 9mm with moon clips. Not sure on the .380 though it was also available in .45 lc and .454 casull able to shoot .45 acp with moon clips as well. It makes me think if you cut the the cylinder back you could do it with any revolver.

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Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 04, 2018, 05:45:22 AM
I have an SP10i 2 or 3 inch, I forget. I used to have a few S&W 686's too. Those are great guns also..
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Special T on January 04, 2018, 12:05:19 PM
Medusa m47 multicaliber revolver. Shoots 25 different calibers in the 380 9mm 357 range. Made in the 90s by Philips and Rodgers  only 500 made. Based of SW k frame.
No moon clips  just a really interesting cylinder design. Unfortunately they are pretty spend and all used.

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Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: C-Money on January 04, 2018, 04:10:04 PM
Is the 9mm enough?....oh yes, it is. One of the biggest messes I have ever seen was created with a .25acp. There are endless variables that can make one cartridge better than another for any given reason. Bottom line is, once someone is shot, they feel significantly less good than before they were shot, regardless of the cartridge. 
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: fish vacuum on January 04, 2018, 04:20:35 PM
It's a great time to be in the market for a compact carry gun. The big manufacturers all have nice options at reasonable prices. I'd just avoid cheap offerings from companies you've never heard of.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Eric M on January 04, 2018, 05:37:54 PM
Is the 9mm enough?....oh yes, it is. One of the biggest messes I have ever seen was created with a .25acp. There are endless variables that can make one cartridge better than another for any given reason. Bottom line is, once someone is shot, they feel significantly less good than before they were shot, regardless of the cartridge.
The 30 round magazine in the keltec 22 magnum pistol is pretty fun to shoot too.that pistol weighs almost nothing empty. I've shot one quite a bit and haven't seen a misfired or jam. Pretty big pistol for cow though
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: rsrubalcaba on January 04, 2018, 05:56:42 PM
Don't know where you're located, but I like WGS guns in Lakewood. Staff seems to know what they are doing. Surplus ammo and arms in Tacoma has a good staff but they seem a bit pricey to me.

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Yes WGS is where it's at.  Awesome indoor range.  9mm is just fine. Ammo is affordable, easy to conceal and it will do the job.  Just like hunting, it's all about the shot placement.  My guns will hold 17+1 (I carry full size) but the compacts will still carry 10-13 rounds, depending on brand and model.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Thehowler on January 04, 2018, 07:33:07 PM
Is the 9mm enough?....oh yes, it is. One of the biggest messes I have ever seen was created with a .25acp. There are endless variables that can make one cartridge better than another for any given reason. Bottom line is, once someone is shot, they feel significantly less good than before they were shot, regardless of the cartridge.
The 30 round magazine in the keltec 22 magnum pistol is pretty fun to shoot too.that pistol weighs almost nothing empty. I've shot one quite a bit and haven't seen a misfired or jam. Pretty big pistol for cow though

I don’t think it would make any difference to the cow :chuckle:. I know someone who has been around horses all there life and they use nothing but a snub 38 special.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Eric M on January 04, 2018, 07:54:25 PM
Is the 9mm enough?....oh yes, it is. One of the biggest messes I have ever seen was created with a .25acp. There are endless variables that can make one cartridge better than another for any given reason. Bottom line is, once someone is shot, they feel significantly less good than before they were shot, regardless of the cartridge.
The 30 round magazine in the keltec 22 magnum pistol is pretty fun to shoot too.that pistol weighs almost nothing empty. I've shot one quite a bit and haven't seen a misfired or jam. Pretty big pistol for cow though

I don’t think it would make any difference to the cow :chuckle:. I know someone who has been around horses all there life and they use nothing but a snub 38 special.
HAHA I hate my phone. This is the 2nd auto correct in a week someone's caught on here. Maybe I should start doing it on purpose for laughs. I meant CCW
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Thehowler on January 04, 2018, 08:21:11 PM
Too funny!
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: C-Money on January 06, 2018, 06:05:41 AM
Is the 9mm enough?....oh yes, it is. One of the biggest messes I have ever seen was created with a .25acp. There are endless variables that can make one cartridge better than another for any given reason. Bottom line is, once someone is shot, they feel significantly less good than before they were shot, regardless of the cartridge.
The 30 round magazine in the keltec 22 magnum pistol is pretty fun to shoot too.that pistol weighs almost nothing empty. I've shot one quite a bit and haven't seen a misfired or jam. Pretty big pistol for cow though

I don’t think it would make any difference to the cow :chuckle:. I know someone who has been around horses all there life and they use nothing but a snub 38 special.
HAHA I hate my phone. This is the 2nd auto correct in a week someone's caught on here. Maybe I should start doing it on purpose for laughs. I meant CCW

 :chuckle: Dang! I thought, why is this guy busting my chops...HAHA!
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Blacklab on January 07, 2018, 07:53:13 PM
Started carrying a sr 9 c about 3 yrs ago. Really like it easy to conceal and comfortable and fun to shoot. My colt 45 was pretty heavy to carry. That's why I switched to the 9mm.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: brokemillwright on January 07, 2018, 10:49:46 PM
I carry a g43, light comfortable and reliable. Shields seemed snappy to me, I still want to get my hands on the ruger lc9 pro but takedown looks to be a bit of a pain.   I prefer shooting my g26, but after carried the 43 for so long I tried carrying the 26 and didn't like the extra weight and slight width

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Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 08, 2018, 06:34:21 AM
I'm kind of wondering if I start with a slightly larger pistol and it's all I know if I won't be bothered as much as if I start with a smaller one and then would move to a larger model. I see a them here and elsewhere that most of the guys who talk about a pistol being too large or cumbersome are coming from a smaller model. Maybe if I don't know any better it won't bother me?
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: brokemillwright on January 08, 2018, 05:15:18 PM
I like the subcompact because I dot go to extreme to IWB  carry like buying larger clothes/wearing a jacket all the time. I started with a g19 and since I drive alot the grip sticking out that much further into the seat made it uncomfortable in my truck. also knealing  down in the store then standing up, my shirt would always bunch up on the grip and expose it. again, I didn't really change my wardrobe to fit. you'll probly go thru a few pistols and even more holsters to find what works for you. 

I still plan on carry my 26 since I'm a little more accurate with it and it holds 4 or so more rounds but any gun is better than none so for now I'm goig with comfort

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Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Bofire on January 08, 2018, 09:11:47 PM
 :) I do not care if people, who are looking, can see if I am carrying a gun, MOST people have no idea, if you carry or not. I am sure that some places it is very important to keep your gun concealed from everyone.
That is not the case for me, I carry everyday and have for years, no one seems to see. so for me I am more concerned about what I can do with my gun once I draw, not keeping it hidden. So I carry big(full size)  guns. my every day is a sig 226. you need to decide what your need is. :)
Carl
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: huntnphool on January 08, 2018, 11:37:33 PM
Is the 9mm enough?....oh yes, it is. One of the biggest messes I have ever seen was created with a .25acp. There are endless variables that can make one cartridge better than another for any given reason. Bottom line is, once someone is shot, they feel significantly less good than before they were shot, regardless of the cartridge.
The 30 round magazine in the keltec 22 magnum pistol is pretty fun to shoot too.that pistol weighs almost nothing empty. I've shot one quite a bit and haven't seen a misfired or jam. Pretty big pistol for cow though

 My FiveseveN is a nice every day pistol as well. High capacity, low recoil and long range (for a hand gun). :twocents:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: fish vacuum on January 09, 2018, 07:57:17 AM


I started with a g19 and since I drive alot the grip sticking out that much further into the seat made it uncomfortable in my truck.

Appendix carry. Tuck the seatbelt behind it for easy access and to avoid pistol-shaped injuries in a wreck.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Alchase on January 09, 2018, 10:50:04 AM
:) I do not care if people, who are looking, can see if I am carrying a gun, MOST people have no idea, if you carry or not. I am sure that some places it is very important to keep your gun concealed from everyone.
That is not the case for me, I carry everyday and have for years, no one seems to see. so for me I am more concerned about what I can do with my gun once I draw, not keeping it hidden. So I carry big(full size)  guns. my every day is a sig 226. you need to decide what your need is. :)
Carl

 :yeah:

Most people are oblivious
I carry probably about 80% of the time ODB with just a t-shirt or light fleece jacket over it.
If we go out dressy I IWB usually in a Galco King Tuk or Milt Sparks Versa Max II.
Never have people looking twice.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: brokemillwright on January 09, 2018, 12:59:03 PM


I started with a g19 and since I drive alot the grip sticking out that much further into the seat made it uncomfortable in my truck.

Appendix carry. Tuck the seatbelt behind it for easy access and to avoid pistol-shaped injuries in a wreck.
appendix carry doesn't work for me, I must be to fat. plus I pee standing up so the gun in that area is just one more thing to hold onto, and I piss frequently. I carry at 3-4 o'clock in a Vedder single clip holster and that works for all my daily activities

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Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 16, 2018, 07:22:07 PM
So my neighbor shot his brother today and the man hunt seemed to take place in my barn and pasture so my wife is accelerating my timeline on a pistol purchase.

Leaning towards a glock, their website says I can't buy a .380 if I am not law enforcement so going to look for a g19. Anyone have any horror stories about them before I make the commitment? I like the size and the capacity on it and 9mm seems to be a good cartridge.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: jdb on January 16, 2018, 07:42:13 PM
G19 is the standard by which others are judged.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: 81husky on January 16, 2018, 08:08:40 PM

Leaning towards a glock, their website says I can't buy a .380 if I am not law enforcement so going to look for a g19.

Glock 42 is 380 auto, and they're for sale most everywhere. G19's are great though, and the added capacity and power is nice to have.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Special T on January 16, 2018, 08:13:30 PM
So my neighbor shot his brother today and the man hunt seemed to take place in my barn and pasture so my wife is accelerating my timeline on a pistol purchase.

Leaning towards a glock, their website says I can't buy a .380 if I am not law enforcement so going to look for a g19. Anyone have any horror stories about them before I make the commitment? I like the size and the capacity on it and 9mm seems to be a good cartridge.
I find a 12 gauge and buck shot sends the proper message to those nosing around where they don't belong. The rack of a pump or a double barrel it the face speaks volumes!

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Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 16, 2018, 08:23:26 PM

Leaning towards a glock, their website says I can't buy a .380 if I am not law enforcement so going to look for a g19.

Glock 42 is 380 auto, and they're for sale most everywhere. G19's are great though, and the added capacity and power is nice to have.

The g42 is a little too small. The lower capacity magazine is a bummer too.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Eric M on January 16, 2018, 09:50:48 PM

Leaning towards a glock, their website says I can't buy a .380 if I am not law enforcement so going to look for a g19.

Glock 42 is 380 auto, and they're for sale most everywhere. G19's are great though, and the added capacity and power is nice to have.

The g42 is a little too small. The lower capacity magazine is a bummer too.
There's a reason so many Glocks are sold. My only argument before you buy one is to go handle one a little. Some guys just do not like how they "feel". I can't really explain it in writing. You'll either like it or not. Just don't buy one on Gunbroker or whatever and then get it and wish you'd tried it first.  :twocents:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: buglebrush on January 16, 2018, 10:40:18 PM
Absolutely hate the Glock.  I love the Springfield XD, and the S&W M&P 2.0. 
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: 7mm ed on January 17, 2018, 04:05:47 AM
take a look at the new sig p365 9mm . they just came out
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on January 23, 2018, 10:45:37 AM
Shot the g19 and liked it. Fits in my hand nicely as well. Now I just have to find a place to sell me one. Going to the sportsman's show this weekend, maybe someone there will have a deal. Anyone have a recommendation on a good place to buy with good prices?
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Special T on January 23, 2018, 10:50:43 AM
For those of you whom like the dependability and accessories available but don't like the grip... have you held one of the 80% not a glock frames? Since they are both available I. G17 & 19 sizes, and I've heard they have a 1911 style grip.

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Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 23, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
http://lowpriceguns.com/handguns/semi-automatic-handguns/glock-19-standard-9mm-402-151-wfixed-sights-polymer-grip-matte-black

If you don't mind the drive and you don't don't mind that its a Gen3, you can save a few bucks.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on January 23, 2018, 11:45:19 AM
I've never been in a gun fight and don't plan on it.  However, there have been two occasions in my life where I was prepared to draw and fire before the situation de-escalated. 

My WSP buddy tells me they are going back to 9mm because the studies of LEO gunfights show the more bullets the better the outcome for LEO; capacity is more important than individual round performance. 

I think personal defensive carry is quite a bit different, so carry what you are committed to carrying.  Being able to draw a handgun is a huge game changer in a defensive situation, and if it ever comes to it putting a round into play is another huge game changer - in most defensive situations a shot fired is going to eliminate the threat, whether you hit or miss.  In the incredibly rare situation where the threat remains, it's nice to have more shots.  If you are willing to let your carry preference dictate your wardrobe you can carry almost anything you want.  I second the suggestion to shoot as many handguns as you can and find the one you love to shoot best.  I've had many handguns, and still have quite a few.  Based on my philosophy I find my LCP to fit all my carry needs with an IWB holster, especially during hot summer months, and I have one that shoots reasonably well at 7 yards: 90%+ of slow fire hit center of mass, while a rapid fire magazine dump will put at least two on target.  However, I frequently carry either an LCR in .38+p for more energy or a P238 for more accuracy.  For the woods and rural activities I usually carry a 4" Ruger Security Six in .357. 

I would not feel terribly undergunned with a .22LR.  I've killed over 500 crippled/nuisance deer and antelope between point blank and 40 yards with a 6" Ruger Mark II with a variety of .22 ammo, enough to know that terminal performance of CCI stingers is darned impressive with a real possibility of overpenetration, in urban areas I often used standard velocity RN ammo as I never had one exit a deer-sized animal, and one in the lungs will make one sick enough that it will lay down and can be finished at close range with a second shot within a few minutes.  Not exactly relevant to the CCW discussion directly, my point is almost any good performing expanding bullet will put a serious hurt on man-sized opponents.  One of many articles available looking at the issue of stopping power in real life:  https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

The takehome is bigger is better.  However, that ONLY APPLIES IF you are carrying when the assault takes place.  So find a handgun that is comfortable to shoot and carry, and maximize your chances of having A handgun when you need it.  If you know you are going into a fight, I hope you have a long gun in your hands :)   
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: huntnphool on January 23, 2018, 01:46:51 PM
I've never been in a gun fight and don't plan on it.  However, there have been two occasions in my life where I was prepared to draw and fire before the situation de-escalated. 

My WSP buddy tells me they are going back to 9mm because the studies of LEO gunfights show the more bullets the better the outcome for LEO; capacity is more important than individual round performance. 

I think personal defensive carry is quite a bit different, so carry what you are committed to carrying.  Being able to draw a handgun is a huge game changer in a defensive situation, and if it ever comes to it putting a round into play is another huge game changer - in most defensive situations a shot fired is going to eliminate the threat, whether you hit or miss.  In the incredibly rare situation where the threat remains, it's nice to have more shots.  If you are willing to let your carry preference dictate your wardrobe you can carry almost anything you want.  I second the suggestion to shoot as many handguns as you can and find the one you love to shoot best.  I've had many handguns, and still have quite a few.  Based on my philosophy I find my LCP to fit all my carry needs with an IWB holster, especially during hot summer months, and I have one that shoots reasonably well at 7 yards: 90%+ of slow fire hit center of mass, while a rapid fire magazine dump will put at least two on target.  However, I frequently carry either an LCR in .38+p for more energy or a P238 for more accuracy.  For the woods and rural activities I usually carry a 4" Ruger Security Six in .357. 

I would not feel terribly undergunned with a .22LR.  I've killed over 500 crippled/nuisance deer and antelope between point blank and 40 yards with a 6" Ruger Mark II with a variety of .22 ammo, enough to know that terminal performance of CCI stingers is darned impressive with a real possibility of overpenetration, in urban areas I often used standard velocity RN ammo as I never had one exit a deer-sized animal, and one in the lungs will make one sick enough that it will lay down and can be finished at close range with a second shot within a few minutes.  Not exactly relevant to the CCW discussion directly, my point is almost any good performing expanding bullet will put a serious hurt on man-sized opponents.  One of many articles available looking at the issue of stopping power in real life:  https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

The takehome is bigger is better.  However, that ONLY APPLIES IF you are carrying when the assault takes place.  So find a handgun that is comfortable to shoot and carry, and maximize your chances of having A handgun when you need it.  If you know you are going into a fight, I hope you have a long gun in your hands :)   

 :tup:
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on March 03, 2018, 02:07:23 PM
So I bought the gen5 g19 and absolutely love it. It's a blast to shoot and it's more accurate than I am.  I'm having a harder time finding a holster for it that I like  but from reading here and elsewhere looks like the alien gear iwb might be my next test.

Thanks for all the advice fellas. Truly appreciated.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 03, 2018, 02:41:17 PM
Not a semi, but quite the unique option!
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: fish vacuum on March 03, 2018, 04:13:35 PM
So I bought the gen5 g19 and absolutely love it. It's a blast to shoot and it's more accurate than I am.  I'm having a harder time finding a holster for it that I like  but from reading here and elsewhere looks like the alien gear iwb might be my next test.

Thanks for all the advice fellas. Truly appreciated.
If you're looking for an IWB, I have been really happy with Don Hume products. I have IWBs from them for a few guns. The one I use 90% of the time is 15 years old. Hard to beat for $35.
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Jpmiller on March 03, 2018, 09:08:25 PM
So I bought the gen5 g19 and absolutely love it. It's a blast to shoot and it's more accurate than I am.  I'm having a harder time finding a holster for it that I like  but from reading here and elsewhere looks like the alien gear iwb might be my next test.

Thanks for all the advice fellas. Truly appreciated.
If you're looking for an IWB, I have been really happy with Don Hume products. I have IWBs from them for a few guns. The one I use 90% of the time is 15 years old. Hard to beat for $35.

Just looked it up and ordered one. Everyone seems to be as happy with them as the alien gear one and the don Hume holster looks better to my eye. If I'm going to trust the internet and it's a consensus on both brands might as well get the better looking one right? Thanks for the recommendation
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: fish vacuum on March 03, 2018, 11:57:02 PM
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Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 04, 2018, 07:26:35 AM
357 Sig. Take a lookie loo at that caliber..
Title: Re: New pistol advice
Post by: Alchase on March 04, 2018, 10:08:16 AM
I have a large collection of holsters. You will likely need more than one depending on what you are wearing and what you will be doing.
Holsters are also totally dependent on "your preference" What I like to carry may not work the the next guy.

The most "comfortable" IWB holsters I have used are the hybrid leather and kydex.
Crossdbreeds are comfortable and quality is good.
Glaco King Tuk is a much better quality and the most comfortable IWB holster I have owned.
The best all leather I own is my Milt Sparks Versa Max II, is second in comfort to the King Tuk, but un-matched leather work and quality.
Galco Southern Comfort II is another good leather option  for IWB.
Kydex holsters, I do not care for the feel of Kydex against my skin, so I do not use Kydex IWB holsters that do not have a leather backing and I do not care for neoprene or foam IWB holsters. None I have tried were the sweet spot.
I love Kydex for OWB.
As Fish Vacuum stated, Don Hume makes very good holsters as well.