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Title: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 07, 2018, 05:53:45 PM
Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
The House Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee votes to direct wildlife managers to work on redistributing wolves
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Don JenkinsCapital Press
Published on February 5, 2018 9:46AM
 
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Washington House Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee Chairman Brian Blake, D-Aberdeen, listens to testimony Jan. 31 in Olympia on a bill to redistribute wolves within the state. Blake opposes translocating wolves to unoccupied regions, but let the bill through his committee, saying current state policy was unfair to northeast Washington.


OLYMPIA ó Legislation directing the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife to move wolves from east to west passed the House Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee Feb. 1.
The bill, sponsored by northeast Washington Rep. Joel Kretz, was supported by urban lawmakers, but was opposed by Western Washington legislators whose rural districts would be candidates for receiving wolves.
ďThis is a difficult one for me. I may be a lone wolf on this one and be a Ďnoí vote. I understand why the bill is needed. and I think itís going to pass here today, and so letís call the roll,Ē said committee chairman Brian Blake, D-Aberdeen.
The committee voted 12-3 to recommend the House approve the bill. Two Republicans who also represent rural southwest Washington cast the other no votes.
House Bill 2771 declares that the eastern one-third of Washington has a host of thriving wolfpacks and urgently needs relief. Under the bill, WDFW would start a scientific review to translocate wolves to suitable regions unoccupied by wolves.
A review could take several years. The department would be required to report to the Legislature on its progress by the end of 2020.
Wolves are well established in northeast Washington and are showing signs of migrating toward the North Cascades. Wildlife managers also expect wolves to colonize the South Cascades, though WDFW has yet to document a pack in that region.
Wolves are a state-protected species and under current law will be until they are reproducing at least as far west as the Cascades.
Redistributing wolves within the state is an option to spur recovery, according to the stateís wolf plan. WDFW, however, says it expects wolves will disperse without help.
Kretz, whose expansive district has a majority of the stateís wolves, said he was more concerned about immediately taking pressure off his constituents, particularly ranchers.
ďI appreciate people working with me on this,Ē he said.
Although against relocating wolves, Blake said the stateís wolf policy is unfair to northeast Washington. ďWe do have to deal with this,Ē he said.
The vote itself was highly unusual. Committee chairmen rarely allow votes on bills they oppose.
The Washington Farm Bureau and Washington Cattlemenís Association supported the bill at an earlier hearing.
ďIt is an urgent, dire situation in northeast Washington,Ē the Farm Bureauís director of government relations Tom Davis said, testifying on behalf of both organizations.
WDFW has culled wolfpacks five times since 2012 to stop chronic attacks on livestock.
Kretz has introduced bills to translocate wolves in prior years. This is the first time the proposal has won support from a committee. There is no similar bill under consideration in the Senate.
Wolves that were moved to the western two-thirds of Washington would come under the more-stringent protection of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

http://www.capitalpress.com/article/20180205/ARTICLE/180209950

About Darn Time   :tup:


Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 07, 2018, 06:14:12 PM
I am all for moving them to Alaska where they can take care of them.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Harbor_hunter on February 08, 2018, 08:41:39 AM
I am with you Skyvalhunter!   Obviously there needs to be something done to help the wolf problem in the northeast, but moving them over to the west side is not the solution.  I am curious to know more about the review process to see where to relocate them. 
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 08, 2018, 09:36:19 AM
The intention is to move them into the remaining regions required for delisting so we can reach the goals established by the outrageous wolf plan. I don't want to see them in my camp, but I'm damned sure neither do those who live in NE WA. Move 'em.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: winshooter88 on February 08, 2018, 09:39:22 AM
It's really funny, everyone says that something should be done to help out the Northeast part of the state, but "noooobody" wants them moved anywhere near where they live. I bet the wolf lovers don't want them where they live either.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: vandeman17 on February 08, 2018, 09:50:57 AM
we get this paper in our office and I just read this article about Idaho. Pretty good

http://www.capitalpress.com/Idaho/20180201/idaho-ranchers-live-with-wolves
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: hunter399 on February 08, 2018, 09:52:00 AM
I think moving them west is the best thing we can do,spread the love around a bit. :tup: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Hope it happens sooner than later.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 08, 2018, 09:52:07 AM
It's really funny, everyone says that something should be done to help out the Northeast part of the state, but "noooobody" wants them moved anywhere near where they live. I bet the wolf lovers don't want them where they live either.

Actually, I just said to move them over here. Wolf lovers will think they want them closer until they get closer. Then they'll freak out when the realities set in.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: bobcat on February 08, 2018, 09:52:19 AM
I bet wolf lovers will love having wolves in and around all the big cities on the West side of the state. They will be able to go out and hear them howling at night. A wolf loverís dream come true. Myself, I just see it as a big waste of money.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 08, 2018, 09:59:06 AM
They won't leave out Vashon, Bainbridge, Whidbey and San Juan Islands, right?
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: pd on February 08, 2018, 10:10:04 AM
They won't leave out Vashon, Bainbridge, Whidbey and San Juan Islands, right?

I am going out a very shaky limb here......

I live on one of those islands that you mention.  And, I support this bill.  Rep. Kretz is doing his constituents a favor, and Chairman Blake is to be commended for moving this bill through committee.  I know both of them, Chr. Blake better, and I can say with certainty this bill reflects a great deal of frustration by committee members with WDFW.

What would happen if wolves were released on the islands?  Well, the first immediate impact would be the elimination of the local coyote population---those spoiled dogs would have zero chance against a wolf.  Also, as there are no other large predators here (no bears, no cougars, no bobcats), the wolves would have first grabs at a dwindling blacktail population.  Then, wolves would start nabbing backyard chickens.  At the same time, wolves would be spotted everywhere, and occasionally become roadkill.  It would be awful, and traumatic.

But that is exactly Reps. Kretz and Blake's point: The wolf problem is real and awful and traumatic for NE Washington residents, and the westside urbanist elite have for too long turned a blind eye to this fact.  Relocate the wolves, and let the reality sink in, and then we will finally have some sound policy.

By the way, the governor lives on one of those islands.  Let the wolves be released near his house as well.

 :hello:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on February 08, 2018, 10:14:27 AM
I'm in favor of moving them to meet the state plan's goals faster.  I suggest moving them to the firearms restriction areas, not only will the most people be able to enjoy seeing, hearing and interacting with wolves, it should end that pesky problem of urban deer that so many are opposed to killing.  What could possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: WSU on February 08, 2018, 10:16:48 AM
Honest question - would wolves remain near populated areas if they were released there?  Clearly WDFW isn't going to release them in Seattle, but I'm curious if they were released somewhat near a populated area if they would even stay there?  Given how far they move and how quickly, it seems like they would end up 100 miles from where they were released in no time.

Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: KFhunter on February 08, 2018, 10:18:15 AM
It's not going to happen, it's merely a symbolic gesture to raise awareness and pressure Olympia to do something.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 08, 2018, 10:26:11 AM
It's not going to happen, it's merely a symbolic gesture to raise awareness and pressure Olympia to do something.


Didn't you volunteer your horse trailer?   :dunno:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: KFhunter on February 08, 2018, 10:27:18 AM
Ya, I'd still do it too  :hello:

Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 08, 2018, 10:28:42 AM


I would help out with fuel and I have spare time on my hands.  :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 08, 2018, 10:50:32 AM
Honest question - would wolves remain near populated areas if they were released there?  Clearly WDFW isn't going to release them in Seattle, but I'm curious if they were released somewhat near a populated area if they would even stay there?  Given how far they move and how quickly, it seems like they would end up 100 miles from where they were released in no time.
I think they just keep roaming through 'their' territory like a cougar does.  They kill whatever they can in the time they can before feeling they need to go patrol the next section of territory.  A bear will more or less camp out in a place until all the food is gone.  Coyotes seem to change up behavior around farms/ranches and get a regular daily routine, so maybe wolves would start behaving more coyote like given all the roads and population on the westside.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 08, 2018, 11:03:14 AM
Honest question - would wolves remain near populated areas if they were released there?  Clearly WDFW isn't going to release them in Seattle, but I'm curious if they were released somewhat near a populated area if they would even stay there?  Given how far they move and how quickly, it seems like they would end up 100 miles from where they were released in no time.

i doubt they will move too far from where they would plan on releasing them. they are going to dump them in the best areas to survive, they'll dump them in areas of higher elk numbers. randle, packwood, st helens, white river, ect..
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Harbor_hunter on February 08, 2018, 11:58:43 AM
Honest question - would wolves remain near populated areas if they were released there?  Clearly WDFW isn't going to release them in Seattle, but I'm curious if they were released somewhat near a populated area if they would even stay there?  Given how far they move and how quickly, it seems like they would end up 100 miles from where they were released in no time.

i doubt they will move too far from where they would plan on releasing them. they are going to dump them in the best areas to survive, they'll dump them in areas of higher elk numbers. randle, packwood, st helens, white river, ect..

That's one of my concerns.  They won't dump them anywhere near urban populations.  They will go in more remote areas of the west side, putting more pressure on our deer and elk that already have enough predators after them. 
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: slavenoid on February 08, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
Give the people what they want. Drop them off in neighborhood parks besides it's in the wolves best interest to be released in non hunting areas. Got to keep the hunter wolf interactions low if we want them to make a comeback in our state.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 08, 2018, 02:13:41 PM
I bet wolf lovers will love having wolves in and around all the big cities on the West side of the state. They will be able to go out and hear them howling at night. A wolf loverís dream come true. Myself, I just see it as a big waste of money.
This!  Those that want them will love having them over here.  Meanwhile the rest of us in more rural parts of Western WA will get to carry the issues.  I feel for you in the NE but burning everyone because you're getting shafted isn't a solution to your problems.  Wolves will never be reasonably controlled in this state, delisted or not. 
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on February 08, 2018, 02:18:25 PM
Honest question - would wolves remain near populated areas if they were released there?  Clearly WDFW isn't going to release them in Seattle, but I'm curious if they were released somewhat near a populated area if they would even stay there?  Given how far they move and how quickly, it seems like they would end up 100 miles from where they were released in no time.


Wolves really only have two habitat requirements: adequate prey base and limited human-caused mortality.  They could stay near populated areas if they aren't persecuted too severely, but there are no guarantees they wouldn't pick up and move - maybe even home back to where they were trapped from.  A lot would depend on how the releases were accomplished.  The Yellowstone introductions were extended stays within large wolf-proof enclosures prior to being released, one objective of which was to reduce post-release long distance movements.  Since wolves in the park aren't hunted, snared, poisoned, etc., and only occasionally run over, they don't show much avoidance of the heavily visited parts of the park. 
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Special T on February 08, 2018, 02:27:26 PM
Since many of you don't read Wolfbaits posts....

I distinctly remember him posting an article about how wolves had to be lactating with pups, or pregnate to get them to accept the new location.

Kind of like how you need to put a cat in a box and spin it before you move them to a new location... Or so I've experienced...

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Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: mallard on February 08, 2018, 04:59:36 PM
I can think of a few great relocation areas...
Orcas Island
Tiger Mountain
Capitol State Forest

With about 0% chance of that every happening.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: hunter399 on February 08, 2018, 05:30:57 PM
Since many of you don't read Wolfbaits posts....

I distinctly remember him posting an article about how wolves had to be lactating with pups, or pregnate to get them to accept the new location.

Kind of like how you need to put a cat in a box and spin it before you move them to a new location... Or so I've experienced...

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Don't worry we can send pregnant wolves,no problem,about ready to start a gofund page and get this started. :tup: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Humptulips on February 08, 2018, 06:55:48 PM
If they move them they will not go to any populated area. You're dreaming if you think this will stick it to Seattleites.
The greenies will love this as they have been crying the Peninsula needs wolves for years and that's the first place they will go. The other place is likely the Willapa hills or maybe North R.. Any place in the Cascades will be out as the wolves are already moving in so a waste of money.
To top it all off I doubt this will speed up delisting but what it will do is send more hunters to the eastside. So you'll lose a handful of wolves which will be made up for with new pups and you will gain a few thousand more orange vests.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: hunter399 on February 08, 2018, 07:37:35 PM
If they move them they will not go to any populated area. You're dreaming if you think this will stick it to Seattleites.
The greenies will love this as they have been crying the Peninsula needs wolves for years and that's the first place they will go. The other place is likely the Willapa hills or maybe North R.. Any place in the Cascades will be out as the wolves are already moving in so a waste of money.
To top it all off I doubt this will speed up delisting but what it will do is send more hunters to the eastside. So you'll lose a handful of wolves which will be made up for with new pups and you will gain a few thousand more orange vests.
We have already gained a few thousand hunters over the past few years from the wet side , They have already made hunting on public land crapy, so send them,i will welcome more hunters any day of the week instead of wolves :twocents:

Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Cylvertip on February 08, 2018, 08:33:48 PM
I say send the wolves. Let's get on with it.  Since we are stuck with this, let's press forward.  The sooner we have them in all the required regions, the sooner we can hope to manage them. 

     That's of course assuming we get to.... I'm thinking how successfully we are allowed to manage bear and especially cougar....   :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 08, 2018, 08:54:51 PM
Aren't the cougar quotas getting smaller?
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 08, 2018, 08:58:15 PM
I say send the wolves. Let's get on with it.  Since we are stuck with this, let's press forward.  The sooner we have them in all the required regions, the sooner we can hope to manage them. 

     That's of course assuming we get to.... I'm thinking how successfully we are allowed to manage bear and especially cougar....   :bash: :bash: :bash:

Put three breeding packs on the Olympic peninsula, then get on with the wolf hunting. :twocents:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 08, 2018, 09:00:47 PM
I sure would hate to watch a place like hancock kapowsin get decimated by wolves after witnessing the game herds up there. Would be a shame
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Antlershed on February 08, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Even if they move wolves to the Westside AND we get the breeding pairs in the ďrequiredĒ areas, does anyone actually think we will ever see a wolf hunt in a Washington? I donít.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Cylvertip on February 08, 2018, 09:41:24 PM
Aren't the cougar quotas getting smaller?


Exactly, and not because the population is going down...
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: bobcat on February 08, 2018, 09:45:07 PM
If they want wolves more than they want cougars maybe they WILL increase the cougar quotas. For one, cougars and wolves compete for the same food. And two, cougars kill wolves. Better reduce the cougar population if they want wolves to have a chance of making it on the west side.  :tup:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Humptulips on February 08, 2018, 10:25:55 PM
If they move them they will not go to any populated area. You're dreaming if you think this will stick it to Seattleites.
The greenies will love this as they have been crying the Peninsula needs wolves for years and that's the first place they will go. The other place is likely the Willapa hills or maybe North R.. Any place in the Cascades will be out as the wolves are already moving in so a waste of money.
To top it all off I doubt this will speed up delisting but what it will do is send more hunters to the eastside. So you'll lose a handful of wolves which will be made up for with new pups and you will gain a few thousand more orange vests.
We have already gained a few thousand hunters over the past few years from the wet side , They have already made hunting on public land crapy, so send them,i will welcome more hunters any day of the week instead of wolves :twocents:

Here is my predicted scenario.
Next time there are problem wolves in the NE instead of killing a few they get moved west. Your comment seems to imply you think it is an either or situation, wolves or more hunters. You will have more of both.
I don't want them as I can well understand you do not. This will speed up the spreading of the pain but will it actually mean any kind of chance for anyone to reduce the wolf population in a specific area. I do not think so.
For one I have doubts about ever getting to hunt wolves even after they are delisted which I foresee being a long time. But lets say we do get a hunting season. It has been proven wolf hunting alone cannot reduce or even contain the population increase of wolves. Does anyone think we will get a trapping season? I'd love that but be realistic, this is the State of Seattle.
Also I think some of the eastsiders are oblivious to how dire ungulate populations are already in many parts of W WA. One of the reasons so many go east. More wolves will just exacerbate that.
It's all downhill from here my friends, just a question of how steep the slide is.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: KFhunter on February 08, 2018, 10:34:41 PM
round up the trouble wolves and send them to seattle, brilliant!
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Humptulips on February 08, 2018, 10:44:19 PM
Seattle is the last place they will go. All the cougar management areas around the Greater Seattle area have no quotas. That ought to tell you something about how the Department views predators around Seattle.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: hunter399 on February 08, 2018, 10:58:58 PM
If they move them they will not go to any populated area. You're dreaming if you think this will stick it to Seattleites.
The greenies will love this as they have been crying the Peninsula needs wolves for years and that's the first place they will go. The other place is likely the Willapa hills or maybe North R.. Any place in the Cascades will be out as the wolves are already moving in so a waste of money.
To top it all off I doubt this will speed up delisting but what it will do is send more hunters to the eastside. So you'll lose a handful of wolves which will be made up for with new pups and you will gain a few thousand more orange vests.
We have already gained a few thousand hunters over the past few years from the wet side , They have already made hunting on public land crapy, so send them,i will welcome more hunters any day of the week instead of wolves :twocents:

Here is my predicted scenario.
Next time there are problem wolves in the NE instead of killing a few they get moved west. Your comment seems to imply you think it is an either or situation, wolves or more hunters. You will have more of both.
I don't want them as I can well understand you do not. This will speed up the spreading of the pain but will it actually mean any kind of chance for anyone to reduce the wolf population in a specific area. I do not think so.
For one I have doubts about ever getting to hunt wolves even after they are delisted which I foresee being a long time. But lets say we do get a hunting season. It has been proven wolf hunting alone cannot reduce or even contain the population increase of wolves. Does anyone think we will get a trapping season? I'd love that but be realistic, this is the State of Seattle.
Also I think some of the eastsiders are oblivious to how dire ungulate populations are already in many parts of W WA. One of the reasons so many go east. More wolves will just exacerbate that.
It's all downhill from here my friends, just a question of how steep the slide is.
No not a either or situation ,already have plenty of both hunters and wolves alike,i don't think a few more could hurt anything now.Its just time to spread the love around,my prediction is that if we get enough wolves on the wet side tearing into cattle livestock,pets,and wildlife ,just maybe we will see a better management plan.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: chukarchaser on February 08, 2018, 11:04:53 PM
Its only fair that wolves get relocated to the west side. The northeast corner is getting decimated because of wolves. It would not be a waste to facilitate reaching the absurd wolf plan requirements by relocation
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Eric M on February 09, 2018, 12:35:54 AM
I think it's interesting to hear people who complained and continue to complain about wolves in their areas advocating the state spend a bunch of money on relocation so more people can be infected with these vermin. It's only fair? So if my area has a virulent flu epidemic it's only fair I come to your town and give it to everyone there? I live on the west side for work. Not everyone over here is a left leaning granola eater that thinks wolves are sacred. If anyone really thinks doing this will speed up delisting I think you are kidding yourself. Everyone I know thought it was a bad idea to put this species of wolf in Yellowstone in the 90s. Now hunters are saying relocate them to more area?. They are beginning to move across the mountains anyway. I see a time when all elk hunting in this state will be draw only. Why accelerate that process? Based on this logic maybe we should take criminals who have preyed on people over here and drop them off in eastern Wa.so they can be someone else's problem.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 09, 2018, 04:09:09 AM
If they want wolves more than they want cougars maybe they WILL increase the cougar quotas. For one, cougars and wolves compete for the same food. And two, cougars kill wolves. Better reduce the cougar population if they want wolves to have a chance of making it on the west side.  :tup:
They want the cougars and wolves to replace us.  It's similar to the way they manage fisheries.

This whole thread is about hunters turning on each other.  Think archery/muzzy/modern season dates and debates, putting apples out, using dogs in the field, crossbows.  Hunter399 posts are just another example of that.  In a lot of ways, we are a lousy, rag tag group and our own worst enemies. 
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Curly on February 09, 2018, 05:09:10 AM
I think it's interesting to hear people who complained and continue to complain about wolves in their areas advocating the state spend a bunch of money on relocation so more people can be infected with these vermin. It's only fair? So if my area has a virulent flu epidemic it's only fair I come to your town and give it to everyone there? I live on the west side for work. Not everyone over here is a left leaning granola eater that thinks wolves are sacred. If anyone really thinks doing this will speed up delisting I think you are kidding yourself. Everyone I know thought it was a bad idea to put this species of wolf in Yellowstone in the 90s. Now hunters are saying relocate them to more area?. They are beginning to move across the mountains anyway. I see a time when all elk hunting in this state will be draw only. Why accelerate that process? Based on this logic maybe we should take criminals who have preyed on people over here and drop them off in eastern Wa.so they can be someone else's problem.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 09, 2018, 05:12:05 AM
I think it's interesting to hear people who complained and continue to complain about wolves in their areas advocating the state spend a bunch of money on relocation so more people can be infected with these vermin. It's only fair? So if my area has a virulent flu epidemic it's only fair I come to your town and give it to everyone there? I live on the west side for work. Not everyone over here is a left leaning granola eater that thinks wolves are sacred. If anyone really thinks doing this will speed up delisting I think you are kidding yourself. Everyone I know thought it was a bad idea to put this species of wolf in Yellowstone in the 90s. Now hunters are saying relocate them to more area?. They are beginning to move across the mountains anyway. I see a time when all elk hunting in this state will be draw only. Why accelerate that process? Based on this logic maybe we should take criminals who have preyed on people over here and drop them off in eastern Wa.so they can be someone else's problem.
Your mixing apples and oranges and over exaggerating.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Eric M on February 09, 2018, 08:42:17 AM
I think it's interesting to hear people who complained and continue to complain about wolves in their areas advocating the state spend a bunch of money on relocation so more people can be infected with these vermin. It's only fair? So if my area has a virulent flu epidemic it's only fair I come to your town and give it to everyone there? I live on the west side for work. Not everyone over here is a left leaning granola eater that thinks wolves are sacred. If anyone really thinks doing this will speed up delisting I think you are kidding yourself. Everyone I know thought it was a bad idea to put this species of wolf in Yellowstone in the 90s. Now hunters are saying relocate them to more area?. They are beginning to move across the mountains anyway. I see a time when all elk hunting in this state will be draw only. Why accelerate that process? Based on this logic maybe we should take criminals who have preyed on people over here and drop them off in eastern Wa.so they can be someone else's problem.
Your mixing apples and oranges and over exaggerating.
Of course I was overexaggerating. I just was hoping someone would see how ridiculous it ALL sounds. Thank you for reading it. My point was making your problem someone elses problem too might make you feel better, but it doesn't solve the problem. Do people in NE Wa., believe this is going to solve the issue? I have a difficult time believing they would be that naive. If the point is just to make everyone else eat a turd sandwich because you have to eat one, well that's not very nice.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 09, 2018, 09:17:52 AM
Evidently some Representative thought that making their problem ALSO someone else's problem a good idea. However their is not near the cattle ranches on the west side as is on the east. Not to say they wont cause an issue with the dairy farms. Maybe they(Rep) figure the relocation will get those breeding pair numbers to match their objective so management of the wolves can occur. I doubt it will happen but you know the tree hugging groups are good with spreading their much prized wolves population across Wa. It only pushes us closer to their desire to end hunting here.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: bobcat on February 09, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
"Management" of wolves is just a nice way of saying "killing" wolves, correct? We all know killing wolves will never happen, especially in western Washington, with the only exception being individual wolves when they kill or attack a person.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 09, 2018, 09:42:08 AM
not to mention if we did get the opportunity to kill wolves on the west side, it will be very difficult to do in this jungle. wolves are not dumb critters. The Colville's have had a hunt the past few years and i dont think they've killed one on the books yet despite knowing a good number of guys that have been trying.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 09, 2018, 10:09:00 AM
If they move them they will not go to any populated area. You're dreaming if you think this will stick it to Seattleites.
The greenies will love this as they have been crying the Peninsula needs wolves for years and that's the first place they will go. The other place is likely the Willapa hills or maybe North R.. Any place in the Cascades will be out as the wolves are already moving in so a waste of money.
To top it all off I doubt this will speed up delisting but what it will do is send more hunters to the eastside. So you'll lose a handful of wolves which will be made up for with new pups and you will gain a few thousand more orange vests.
We have already gained a few thousand hunters over the past few years from the wet side , They have already made hunting on public land crapy, so send them,i will welcome more hunters any day of the week instead of wolves :twocents:

Here is my predicted scenario.
Next time there are problem wolves in the NE instead of killing a few they get moved west. Your comment seems to imply you think it is an either or situation, wolves or more hunters. You will have more of both.
I don't want them as I can well understand you do not. This will speed up the spreading of the pain but will it actually mean any kind of chance for anyone to reduce the wolf population in a specific area. I do not think so.
For one I have doubts about ever getting to hunt wolves even after they are delisted which I foresee being a long time. But lets say we do get a hunting season. It has been proven wolf hunting alone cannot reduce or even contain the population increase of wolves. Does anyone think we will get a trapping season? I'd love that but be realistic, this is the State of Seattle.
Also I think some of the eastsiders are oblivious to how dire ungulate populations are already in many parts of W WA. One of the reasons so many go east. More wolves will just exacerbate that.
It's all downhill from here my friends, just a question of how steep the slide is.
No not a either or situation ,already have plenty of both hunters and wolves alike,i don't think a few more could hurt anything now.Its just time to spread the love around,my prediction is that if we get enough wolves on the wet side tearing into cattle livestock,pets,and wildlife ,just maybe we will see a better management plan.
I seriously doubt it.  The only way you're going to see better management plan is to form the new state of Liberty.  Greeny groups aren't going to let WDFW control the wolves.  I'm guessing their is going to be an initiative on the ballot when time gets near per the wolf plan, and the initiative is going to be way worse than just protecting wolves.  And the libs will pass it.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Humptulips on February 09, 2018, 11:01:28 AM
I would just point out that even if the impossible happens and wolves are State delisted and the most wide open wolf season were opened up :rolleyes: they would still be Federally listed in 2/3rds of the State. What has to happen to get them Federally delisted? So far Congressional action is the only thing that has worked.
Anybody recall who our Senators are and hazard a guess on when that will happen?
About the same time Minnesota wolves get delisted again I guess. I see they have 508 packs or about 2800 wolves.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 09, 2018, 11:05:32 AM
"Management" of wolves is just a nice way of saying "killing" wolves, correct? We all know killing wolves will never happen, especially in western Washington, with the only exception being individual wolves when they kill or attack a person.

Probably will but only after multiple attacks on humans and the attacks will happen eventually.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Special T on February 09, 2018, 11:15:15 AM
HT brings up a good point. "Management" could only occur in the NE where the feds had delisted... however you would still need state approval, and work through all the lawsuits that are sure to come.

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Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: jackmaster on February 09, 2018, 11:27:53 AM
I am ALL FIR bringing them to the wet side, put them EVERYWHERE !! That way when mama and daddy tree huggn wolf lover go out on a little picanic with their 1000 dollars shirts and shorts and flip flops gets chewed on and crapped out they will realize that they possibly made an error in judgment of these fury cute defenseless creatures that only prey  on the sick and old !!! Be a fitting picanic for a pro wolfer don't ya think 😊😊😊😊😊
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: nwwanderer on February 09, 2018, 11:56:13 AM
When fluffy, insert any little fat lap dog breed you like, gets eaten the reaction will be a game changer.  If 70+% support wolves now it could fall below half in a week and continue down as the problem expands.  Move them to satisfy the wolf plan.  It will do nothing to help the people in the northeast initially but could be positive as we move forward.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 09, 2018, 12:00:49 PM
When not if they start eating fluffy you make sure the News agencies put it on the top news stories Publicize it!!
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Humptulips on February 09, 2018, 12:29:14 PM
I am ALL FIR bringing them to the wet side, put them EVERYWHERE !! That way when mama and daddy tree huggn wolf lover go out on a little picanic with their 1000 dollars shirts and shorts and flip flops gets chewed on and crapped out they will realize that they possibly made an error in judgment of these fury cute defenseless creatures that only prey  on the sick and old !!! Be a fitting picanic for a pro wolfer don't ya think 😊😊😊😊😊
When the Seattle tree hugger family go on vacation we all now they head over the pass. Be better to move the wolves to Moses lake. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: hunter399 on February 09, 2018, 02:12:23 PM
I haven't seen this mentioned yet , But we all know this is about wdfw killing the profanity pack,or killing packs of wolves in northeast , the wolf groups,antihunters all in a up roar with wdfw about killing wolves.So now we just move them.

If they want wolves more than they want cougars maybe they WILL increase the cougar quotas. For one, cougars and wolves compete for the same food. And two, cougars kill wolves. Better reduce the cougar population if they want wolves to have a chance of making it on the west side.  :tup:
They want the cougars and wolves to replace us.  It's similar to the way they manage fisheries.

This whole thread is about hunters turning on each other.  Think archery/muzzy/modern season dates and debates, putting apples out, using dogs in the field, crossbows.  Hunter399 posts are just another example of that.  In a lot of ways, we are a lousy, rag tag group and our own worst enemies. 


I think it's interesting to hear people who complained and continue to complain about wolves in their areas advocating the state spend a bunch of money on relocation so more people can be infected with these vermin. It's only fair? So if my area has a virulent flu epidemic it's only fair I come to your town and give it to everyone there? I live on the west side for work. Not everyone over here is a left leaning granola eater that thinks wolves are sacred. If anyone really thinks doing this will speed up delisting I think you are kidding yourself. Everyone I know thought it was a bad idea to put this species of wolf in Yellowstone in the 90s. Now hunters are saying relocate them to more area?. They are beginning to move across the mountains anyway. I see a time when all elk hunting in this state will be draw only. Why accelerate that process? Based on this logic maybe we should take criminals who have preyed on people over here and drop them off in eastern Wa.so they can be someone else's problem.
Your mixing apples and oranges and over exaggerating.
Of course I was overexaggerating. I just was hoping someone would see how ridiculous it ALL sounds. Thank you for reading it. My point was making your problem someone elses problem too might make you feel better, but it doesn't solve the problem. Do people in NE Wa., believe this is going to solve the issue? I have a difficult time believing they would be that naive. If the point is just to make everyone else eat a turd sandwich because you have to eat one, well that's not very nice.

As far me being against hunters , and the other comment pretty much that northeast Washington should just eat a turd sandwiches , just take one for the team, cause it's not just northeast problem it's gonna be a whole state problem.When there in your backyard,trailcams,hunting areas,ect,I think maybe you will start to feel different .I'm  happy a little that they might move some wolves to the west,YA!.we all live in the state of Washington and we can eat that turd sandwiches together,and all take one for the team.

Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: jackmaster on February 09, 2018, 02:26:04 PM
I am ALL FIR bringing them to the wet side, put them EVERYWHERE !! That way when mama and daddy tree huggn wolf lover go out on a little picanic with their 1000 dollars shirts and shorts and flip flops gets chewed on and crapped out they will realize that they possibly made an error in judgment of these fury cute defenseless creatures that only prey  on the sick and old !!! Be a fitting picanic for a pro wolfer don't ya think 😊😊😊😊😊
When the Seattle tree hugger family go on vacation we all now they head over the pass. Be better to move the wolves to Moses lake. :chuckle:
:yeah: that to 😊
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Eric M on February 09, 2018, 03:06:17 PM
I haven't seen this mentioned yet , But we all know this is about wdfw killing the profanity pack,or killing packs of wolves in northeast , the wolf groups,antihunters all in a up roar with wdfw about killing wolves.So now we just move them.

If they want wolves more than they want cougars maybe they WILL increase the cougar quotas. For one, cougars and wolves compete for the same food. And two, cougars kill wolves. Better reduce the cougar population if they want wolves to have a chance of making it on the west side.  :tup:
They want the cougars and wolves to replace us.  It's similar to the way they manage fisheries.

This whole thread is about hunters turning on each other.  Think archery/muzzy/modern season dates and debates, putting apples out, using dogs in the field, crossbows.  Hunter399 posts are just another example of that.  In a lot of ways, we are a lousy, rag tag group and our own worst enemies. 


I think it's interesting to hear people who complained and continue to complain about wolves in their areas advocating the state spend a bunch of money on relocation so more people can be infected with these vermin. It's only fair? So if my area has a virulent flu epidemic it's only fair I come to your town and give it to everyone there? I live on the west side for work. Not everyone over here is a left leaning granola eater that thinks wolves are sacred. If anyone really thinks doing this will speed up delisting I think you are kidding yourself. Everyone I know thought it was a bad idea to put this species of wolf in Yellowstone in the 90s. Now hunters are saying relocate them to more area?. They are beginning to move across the mountains anyway. I see a time when all elk hunting in this state will be draw only. Why accelerate that process? Based on this logic maybe we should take criminals who have preyed on people over here and drop them off in eastern Wa.so they can be someone else's problem.
Your mixing apples and oranges and over exaggerating.
Of course I was overexaggerating. I just was hoping someone would see how ridiculous it ALL sounds. Thank you for reading it. My point was making your problem someone elses problem too might make you feel better, but it doesn't solve the problem. Do people in NE Wa., believe this is going to solve the issue? I have a difficult time believing they would be that naive. If the point is just to make everyone else eat a turd sandwich because you have to eat one, well that's not very nice.

As far me being against hunters , and the other comment pretty much that northeast Washington should just eat a turd sandwiches , just take one for the team, cause it's not just northeast problem it's gonna be a whole state problem.When there in your backyard,trailcams,hunting areas,ect,I think maybe you will start to feel different .I'm  happy a little that they might move some wolves to the west,YA!.we all live in the state of Washington and we can eat that turd sandwiches together,and all take one for the team.
I didn't say NE Wa. should eat a turd sandwich. I was saying you are already eating one. Why do you want everyone to have to? If wolves move across the mountains of their own accord, which they already are, that's one thing. Spending our tax dollars to make it happen is just ridiculous. Everyone bitched about the wolves being set loose in Yellowstone. Hunters and outfitters knew it was a bad idea. Now hunters are advocating it happen again in our own state? It boggles my mind.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: bobcat on February 09, 2018, 03:10:27 PM
I didn't say NE Wa. should eat a turd sandwich. I was saying you are already eating one. Why do you want everyone to have to? If wolves move across the mountains of their own accord, which they already are, that's one thing. Spending our tax dollars to make it happen is just ridiculous. Everyone bitched about the wolves being set loose in Yellowstone. Hunters and outfitters knew it was a bad idea. Now hunters are advocating it happen again in our own state? It boggles my mind.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Special T on February 09, 2018, 03:19:26 PM
I think folks need to put this into perspective. Joel Kretz has been putting this forth for a few years. The kikelyhood of this happening is low.

Play what If after they have been moved... do you think the state will rush to open a hunting season on wolves in the NE?  How long  do you the lawsuits will last? Do you think the department will turn a new leaf and become our bestest buddies and put sportsmen interests first?

Here is a fact. 3 more breading pairs anywhere in the state for 3 years, or 2 in the S Cascades.  If the department really wanted to they could have found 3 more in the N cascades. Even if they do it this spring we have to wait 3 years.

Importing wolves on a hope and a prayer is bad strategy. I guarantee you that those promoting predators are using strategy.

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Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: bearpaw on February 09, 2018, 03:20:15 PM
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: hunter399 on February 09, 2018, 03:29:05 PM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: KFhunter on February 09, 2018, 05:06:20 PM
Seattle is the last place they will go. All the cougar management areas around the Greater Seattle area have no quotas. That ought to tell you something about how the Department views predators around Seattle.

To me, pretty much everything on that side of the mountain is Seattle  :chuckle:   Pretty common thought with the folks out here.  I know better, but it's stuck.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 09, 2018, 05:15:39 PM
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!

We already have them, 3-4 years I figure 5-6 packs on this side from Canadian border south to Seattle area.

The peninsula is going to take a lot longer.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: bearpaw on February 09, 2018, 05:21:55 PM
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!

We already have them, 3-4 years I figure 5-6 packs on this side from Canadian border south to Seattle area.

The peninsula is going to take a lot longer.  :twocents:

It's been a while since I viewed the wolf plan but I have read the entire plan in the past and if I remember correctly we need at least three packs that produce surviving pups three years in a row in each area of the state, the westside is one area, I could be wrong but don't remember that there was a distinction that the Peninsula had to have wolves if the westside had three breeding packs for three consecutive years.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 09, 2018, 05:24:50 PM
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!

We already have them, 3-4 years I figure 5-6 packs on this side from Canadian border south to Seattle area.

The peninsula is going to take a lot longer.  :twocents:

It's been a while since I viewed the wolf plan but I have read the entire plan in the past and if I remember correctly we need at least three packs that produce surviving pups three years in a row in each area of the state, the westside is one area, I could be wrong but don't remember that there was a distinction that the Peninsula had to have wolves if the westside had three breeding packs for three consecutive years.

Thatís correct.

I  bet the the numbers explode once they get to the Olympic National Park, lots to eat there.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Special T on February 09, 2018, 05:37:35 PM
If you think documenting wolves on the relatively open east side is hard.... how do you think its gonna happen on tye wey side where it is THICK?

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Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: bearpaw on February 09, 2018, 05:48:52 PM
If you think documenting wolves on the relatively open east side is hard.... how do you think its gonna happen on tye wey side where it is THICK?

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They'll trap them.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Tbar on February 09, 2018, 05:49:44 PM
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!
Kretz did an excellent job representing the wolf lovers statewide.  They are having celebratory drinks while we continue to argue.  Symbolic bill that when it passes will set management statewide back decades. Fixing wrongs with wrongs has never been a model of success.  This will eliminate the need to apply pressure where they are federally delisted, well because this is what the northeast (kretz) as well as the farm bureau asked for.  Sad state of affairs and the non consumptive wolf advocates win! (Oh wait, Mitch is a hunter)
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: bearpaw on February 09, 2018, 05:56:57 PM
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!
Kretz did an excellent job representing the wolf lovers statewide.  They are having celebratory drinks while we continue to argue.  Symbolic bill that when it passes will set management statewide back decades. Fixing wrongs with wrongs has never been a model of success.  This will eliminate the need to apply pressure where they are federally delisted, well because this is what the northeast (kretz) as well as the farm bureau asked for.  Sad state of affairs and the non consumptive wolf advocates win! (Oh wait, Mitch is a hunter)

Management can only happen anywhere in this state if all three areas have 3 breeding pairs of wolves for three consecutive years, or if enough people make enough calls to get the wolf plan changed or over turned!
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Tbar on February 09, 2018, 06:04:29 PM
I understand that.  This will not be progress, after all the same people who advocated for this bill from a northeast perspective, litigate on behalf of their western Washington constituents.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Tbar on February 09, 2018, 06:10:39 PM
The problem is the wolf plan, there is no arguing that. This does nothing to help. 
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Humptulips on February 09, 2018, 06:22:27 PM
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!

We already have them, 3-4 years I figure 5-6 packs on this side from Canadian border south to Seattle area.

The peninsula is going to take a lot longer.  :twocents:

We don't need them! Build the wall! :peep: :peep: :peep: :peep: :peep: :peep:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on February 09, 2018, 07:41:52 PM
I think moving them west is the best thing we can do,spread the love around a bit. :tup: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Hope it happens sooner than later.

Turn em' loose on the Capitol grounds and give lawmakers the education lesson they deserve!
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: bobcat on February 09, 2018, 10:12:33 PM
I already said this once but Iíll say it again- the wolf plan only says the wolves need to be south of I-90, but not on the west side. Look at the map that shows the wolf management zones.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 09, 2018, 10:27:16 PM
I already said this once but Iíll say it again- the wolf plan only says the wolves need to be south of I-90, but not on the west side. Look at the map that shows the wolf management zones.

This map.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Taco280AI on February 10, 2018, 05:53:01 AM
With all these wolves human interaction is going to go up. I've seen wolves in Idaho, from a safe distance, starting back in 2003, have always left them alone. I will say if one gets too close to me or my dog, it's going to die. Just a fact.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 10, 2018, 08:19:58 AM
So, spreading the misery around is the only way to get a problem fixed?  The thoughts here are that it will pressure WDFW to actually address the problem?  If that is the case, then maybe some westside reps (Blake?) will draft a bill to move multiple herds of hoof rot elk throughout eastern Washington.  Maybe when half the elk in the NE corner are limping and leaving bloody tracks, WDFW will get enough support to really tackle hoof rot.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Special T on February 10, 2018, 09:32:40 AM
If you think documenting wolves on the relatively open east side is hard.... how do you think its gonna happen on tye wey side where it is THICK?

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They'll trap them.
Lol we know that there are more packs In E WA than they have documented... by a long shot.  The only way folks over here are going to get the department to belive they saw one is to have it bounce off thier truck!

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Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Special T on February 10, 2018, 09:34:48 AM
I already said this once but Iíll say it again- the wolf plan only says the wolves need to be south of I-90, but not on the west side. Look at the map that shows the wolf management zones.
Which is why there are none "documented" south of 90. It will be way easier to find them on the east side, if there was a will to do so.

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Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Gobble Doc on February 10, 2018, 11:15:59 PM
All the hype to get wolves moved all over the state will only convince the wolf lovers that they were right all along. In the end WA will end up with more wolves and there will never be hunting for them in this state. Olympia will hire more biologists for WDFW to conduct studies. Getting a bill passed like this is only going to further spending for dumb ideas. Eco lovers like the protesters with the kayaks are never going to be convinced that wolves are bad, even if they are predatory on people. Expanding wolves and thinking you are going to teach people a lesson is a fools errand.


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Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: HighlandLofts on February 11, 2018, 08:03:52 AM
It's really funny, everyone says that something should be done to help out the Northeast part of the state, but "noooobody" wants them moved anywhere near where they live. I bet the wolf lovers don't want them where they live either.


Kill them, end of problem.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Buckblaster on February 11, 2018, 11:03:03 AM
Coming from sparsely populated part of the state, I think Kretz is making a statement to be heard for a change.  It has long been understood that the voters along the I-5 corridor have always made the decisions for the whole state based on their perspectives of the issues and how they will affect them.  In eastern Wa, many of the issues that we face are different in some ways and affect us differently than the west side.  The wolf hugger mentality is one of those things.  I know that not everyone on the west side is sympathic to the wolves, but those in the big city environments that donít have to deal with them have a different attitude.  Kretz is saying that maybe you should consider how the wolves affect us by turning the tables, then maybe something will be done to control them.  Iím not saying itís the right thing to do, but thatís where I believe heís coming from.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: wolfbait on February 11, 2018, 12:19:19 PM
You guys better all start calling your REPS and SENATORS and tell them you don't want wolves! My legislator is doing his job, the only way we can get delisted in the NE is for western WA to have wolves. Maybe if enough of you complain to your legislators that you don't want wolves your legislators will pass something so we can manage wolves in Northeast WA.

Make the calls or get the wolves!

We already have them, 3-4 years I figure 5-6 packs on this side from Canadian border south to Seattle area.

The peninsula is going to take a lot longer.  :twocents:

It's been a while since I viewed the wolf plan but I have read the entire plan in the past and if I remember correctly we need at least three packs that produce surviving pups three years in a row in each area of the state, the westside is one area, I could be wrong but don't remember that there was a distinction that the Peninsula had to have wolves if the westside had three breeding packs for three consecutive years.

Thatís correct.

I  bet the the numbers explode once they get to the Olympic National Park, lots to eat there.

My guess is there's already wolves in the ONP, they just haven't been documented yet, meaning they haven't killed anyones dogs.

You need to remember how the wolf introduction works: Release and Discover.

Have to laugh when you think about the "lookout pack" that travel through some prime elk etc. hunting country to settle a mile outside of Twisp. And after WDF&wolves were finally forced to confirm a pack in the Methow, every wolf in the Okanogan was a part of the lookout pack for years.

Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: wolfbait on February 11, 2018, 12:22:07 PM
Coming from sparsely populated part of the state, I think Kretz is making a statement to be heard for a change.  It has long been understood that the voters along the I-5 corridor have always made the decisions for the whole state based on their perspectives of the issues and how they will affect them.  In eastern Wa, many of the issues that we face are different in some ways and affect us differently than the west side.  The wolf hugger mentality is one of those things.  I know that not everyone on the west side is sympathic to the wolves, but those in the big city environments that donít have to deal with them have a different attitude.  Kretz is saying that maybe you should consider how the wolves affect us be turning the tables, then maybe something will be done to control them.  Iím not saying itís the right thing to do, but thatís where I believe heís coming from.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: DaveMonti on February 11, 2018, 08:24:19 PM
Seems like a lot of folks on here are hoping that by moving wolves to the west side, there will be a significant number of human/wolf interactions around the I5 corridor.  With wolves in many states, I can't say I've heard of many human/wolf interactions (unless wolves killing livestock are considered human/wolf interactions).  Has there been many of these types of interactions documented?  Have these interactions actually led to mass reductions of wolf populations anywhere?

I think that betting that human/wolf interactions along the I5 corridor will change the way this state manages wolves, or change the way the pro wolf crowd thinks of wolves is just a pipe dream.  I have bobcats and coyotes in my yard all year long, and not far away are plenty of cougars and bears, and hearing of human interactions with these animals is very rare.  No mass killings of unsupervised children or pets. 

I don't know what the answer is, but I highly doubt the government or wolf lovers will change their tune in my lifetime, regardless of where wolves roam.  They are here to stay and multiply, and there is not a single group out there that has the organization or money to change that.  Gripe all you want.  It changes nothing. 
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Gringo31 on February 12, 2018, 07:44:27 AM
IF Washington State has wolves from east to west, wouldn't that put a hamper on all the predicted money coming into Yellowstone from folks looking to see the majestic wolf?   :chuckle:



Fact is (as stated), the NE guys are stuck sitting and waiting for wolves to be all across the state before they'll get the green light to manage them.  So they have 2 choices.

1.  Wait for years with an overabundance of wolves in their area and be stuck dealing with it, waiting for them to move west.
2.  Move them already and get to the finish line faster.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Curly on February 12, 2018, 09:17:49 AM
or choice #3:

Get the wolf plan revised to delist the wolf in the eastern third of the state.

If they can get a bill passed to move wolves, they can make a deal to delist. :twocents:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Tbar on February 12, 2018, 09:29:55 AM
or choice #3:

Get the wolf plan revised to delist the wolf in the eastern third of the state.

If they can get a bill passed to move wolves, they can make a deal to delist. :twocents:
This is the correct course of action (#3)  The translocation was proposed by the non consumptive quite a while back.  They played those against it like a fiddle.  They will embrace the wolves in the west side.  There is very little chance of Human attack.  There is a cult like following of wolves on the west side.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: buglebrush on February 12, 2018, 09:37:40 AM
I hate wolves, and am from the NE.  Anyone who has read my posts knows this.   :chuckle:

However, I don't see this helping.  Why help the wolves spread?  We need them to pass a bill delisting them in the NE corner, so we can kill them.  This just accelerates the end of OTC hunting in this state.   :twocents:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Special T on February 12, 2018, 10:20:40 AM
Yes, this is just an attempt to speed things up, but not really the management hunting portion we would be slow played just like we are now.

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Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: bearpaw on February 12, 2018, 10:23:42 AM
or choice #3:

Get the wolf plan revised to delist the wolf in the eastern third of the state.

If they can get a bill passed to move wolves, they can make a deal to delist. :twocents:

Which is why I said "Make The Call" to your legislators or that will never happen either!  :twocents:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: nwwanderer on February 12, 2018, 04:00:12 PM
Would not expect 'interactions', just missing pets, llamas, pot bellied pigs, pygmy goats, yard fowl, and other assorted lovelies.  Would be rare for anyone to every see one but the connection would happen.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: wolfbait on February 12, 2018, 05:27:57 PM
All the hype to get wolves moved all over the state will only convince the wolf lovers that they were right all along. In the end WA will end up with more wolves and there will never be hunting for them in this state. Olympia will hire more biologists for WDFW to conduct studies. Getting a bill passed like this is only going to further spending for dumb ideas. Eco lovers like the protesters with the kayaks are never going to be convinced that wolves are bad, even if they are predatory on people. Expanding wolves and thinking you are going to teach people a lesson is a fools errand.


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Might depend on who gets chewed up...

DNA samples confirm wolves killed Southwest Alaska teacher

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article/dna-samples-confirm-wolves-killed-southwest-alaska-teacher/2011/12/06/
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: DaveMonti on February 12, 2018, 09:02:05 PM
All the hype to get wolves moved all over the state will only convince the wolf lovers that they were right all along. In the end WA will end up with more wolves and there will never be hunting for them in this state. Olympia will hire more biologists for WDFW to conduct studies. Getting a bill passed like this is only going to further spending for dumb ideas. Eco lovers like the protesters with the kayaks are never going to be convinced that wolves are bad, even if they are predatory on people. Expanding wolves and thinking you are going to teach people a lesson is a fools errand.


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Might depend on who gets chewed up...

DNA samples confirm wolves killed Southwest Alaska teacher

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article/dna-samples-confirm-wolves-killed-southwest-alaska-teacher/2011/12/06/

One  death (in 2011?) won't do a thing.  Every year people are killed by grizzlies in the lower 48.  Which lower 48 states have grizzly seasons?  Oh yeah, not a single one. 

Look hard enough and you will find "evidence" of anything.  One dead teacher in Alaska in 2011 isn't exactly what I would call a "trend" of human/wolf interactions. 

I suspect that if it ever happened in Western Washington, the pro wolf crowd would probably say "See, people don't belong in the wilderness.  That person got what they deserved."

Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Tbar on February 12, 2018, 09:06:38 PM
or choice #3:

Get the wolf plan revised to delist the wolf in the eastern third of the state.

If they can get a bill passed to move wolves, they can make a deal to delist. :twocents:

Which is why I said "Make The Call" to your legislators or that will never happen either!  :twocents:
I'd like to think "making a call" would help but do you realize how many wolf huggers are supporting this from pugetopolis.... Let's hope logic prevails at the leg.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: bearpaw on February 12, 2018, 10:27:39 PM
or choice #3:

Get the wolf plan revised to delist the wolf in the eastern third of the state.

If they can get a bill passed to move wolves, they can make a deal to delist. :twocents:

Which is why I said "Make The Call" to your legislators or that will never happen either!  :twocents:
I'd like to think "making a call" would help but do you realize how many wolf huggers are supporting this from pugetopolis.... Let's hope logic prevails at the leg.

Since few hunters call and anti-hunters are active, that is why this legislation by "Kretz" is our only chance in NE!  :dunno:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 13, 2018, 06:02:18 AM
I hate wolves, and am from the NE.  Anyone who has read my posts knows this.   :chuckle:

However, I don't see this helping.  Why help the wolves spread?  We need them to pass a bill delisting them in the NE corner, so we can kill them.  This just accelerates the end of OTC hunting in this state.   :twocents:
From what I have seen and heard from other states the delisting is not going to come anytime soon. The so called conservation groups will challenge any effort to delist. While the WAG and WDFW think they are doing things by the book they will challenge. This proposed bill is just another wrinkle that somehow they will use against the delisting. :twocents:
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: wolfbait on February 13, 2018, 06:28:06 AM
All the hype to get wolves moved all over the state will only convince the wolf lovers that they were right all along. In the end WA will end up with more wolves and there will never be hunting for them in this state. Olympia will hire more biologists for WDFW to conduct studies. Getting a bill passed like this is only going to further spending for dumb ideas. Eco lovers like the protesters with the kayaks are never going to be convinced that wolves are bad, even if they are predatory on people. Expanding wolves and thinking you are going to teach people a lesson is a fools errand.


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Might depend on who gets chewed up...

DNA samples confirm wolves killed Southwest Alaska teacher

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article/dna-samples-confirm-wolves-killed-southwest-alaska-teacher/2011/12/06/

One  death (in 2011?) won't do a thing.  Every year people are killed by grizzlies in the lower 48.  Which lower 48 states have grizzly seasons?  Oh yeah, not a single one. 

Look hard enough and you will find "evidence" of anything.  One dead teacher in Alaska in 2011 isn't exactly what I would call a "trend" of human/wolf interactions. 

I suspect that if it ever happened in Western Washington, the pro wolf crowd would probably say "See, people don't belong in the wilderness.  That person got what they deserved."

One death might not do the trick, but do you know how many human/wolf conflicts that have actually happened just in WA that if it weren't for the shoot first ask questions later, the person being attacked would have been wolf scat? We all know that WDFW etc. won't put that info out to the public, I can name at least four, two of them in the Methow. How many of the liberal hippies pack guns on their flower sniffing outings?

There are a good number of people who have changed their mind on the wolves from the west side, those who once believed the lies of the USFWS, WDFW etc. aren't as gullible as they use to be. Go on face book and look at the comments to Kretz proposal and you will find that many people on the "west side" don't want wolves in their neck of the woods, and my guess is there are plenty of calls being made to not release wolves in their backyard.

The wolf plan needs a going over by people with skin in the game, as has been already proven WDF&wolves are not representing WA's best interests.
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: Dan-o on February 13, 2018, 07:27:11 AM
Totally agree with you that those decisions shouldd be made by people with skin in the game. 

100 percent wrong for people in western Washington to override the people in NE washington- who pay the price with their livestock and livelihood - let along people in New York or WA DC.   

That said, as a guy who lives on the west side, I'd just as soon they trapped/released enough wolves to the west side for lots and lots of human/pet interaction.   I think that might be what it takes......
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on February 14, 2018, 02:31:48 PM
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/kretzs-wolf-bill-translocated-to-senate-after-passing-house/

The last paragraph made me laugh pretty good!  :chuckle:

"Notably, all the dissenting votes came from a mix of Democrats and Republicans representing largely rural and/or suburban portions of Western Washington, including the South Cascades, Willapa Hills and eastern King County."
Title: Re: Washington House committee OKs bill to move wolves
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/kretzs-wolf-bill-translocated-to-senate-after-passing-house/

The last paragraph made me laugh pretty good!  :chuckle:

"Notably, all the dissenting votes came from a mix of Democrats and Republicans representing largely rural and/or suburban portions of Western Washington, including the South Cascades, Willapa Hills and eastern King County."

Likely because nobody else gives a crap because they know the wolves won't end up wherever they are... Those areas are where the wolves will end up being relocated to.
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