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Title: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: wolfbait on March 01, 2018, 05:28:19 PM
WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY

http://www.wideopenspaces.com/wolves-kill-bears-den-hunters-make-grisly-discovery/

Heard about this some years ago happening in Alberta where wolves are plentiful, Wolves getting grizzlies out of their dens in the winter time.
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: dreamunelk on March 01, 2018, 06:52:00 PM
Male black bear will run a sow out of her den and kill/ eat the cubs.  Been documented in Washington.
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: Axle on March 01, 2018, 07:59:39 PM
Does this fall under the 'if you snooze - you lose' category?  :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

I wonder what the trichinae will do to the wolves....

Probably just make them more mad than they already are.
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: nwwanderer on March 02, 2018, 07:52:07 AM
Wolves eat anything that provides nutrition and yes the parasite trichinae would be a problem leading to increased wolf mortality. 
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 02, 2018, 09:50:32 AM
Male black bear will run a sow out of her den and kill/ eat the cubs.  Been documented in Washington.

Black bears are actually the top predator for black bears.
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: Cougartail on March 06, 2018, 10:02:33 AM
Male black bear will run a sow out of her den and kill/ eat the cubs.  Been documented in Washington.

Black bears are actually the top predator for black bears.


A study done in Alaska claims that for every bear a hunter kills 33.4 bears are killed by other bears. Trophy hunting is causing the high number of bears now in Alaska due to the killing off of large bears.
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: idaho guy on March 06, 2018, 11:48:13 AM
This is not "new" news. I have had a few of my lion hunting buddies send me pictures of dead bears drug out of dens that they found. One in northwest Montana and one in Idaho. Thanks for posting though wolfbait, wolves are even screwing up  other predators. They are such a noble species! what a terrible way to get woke up wow   
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 07, 2018, 11:35:38 PM
What the heck?!
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: Cougartail on March 08, 2018, 08:39:56 AM
Ok all you "wlf haters".. You talk a lot of smack on here but now it's time to put up.. The Idaho Trappers Association needs financial help and comments on proposed lengthening of wolf seasons. Idaho wolfves will eventually become Washington wolves if numbers increase.
I'm sending a donation and commenting on the proposal today. So no more blowing smoke and let's see some action! (You especially Wolfbait.)
I'll be watching.. and  seeing who just  like to whine.
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: pashok23 on March 08, 2018, 10:12:22 AM
Grizzlies do the same to black bears,heard that from Montanian older hunter!
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: elkboy on March 08, 2018, 10:47:50 AM
No question these predators put the hurt on each other time to time! 

Interesting paper for you all- Kunkel and Mech (1994)- study of tagged fawns in Minnesota- wolves and black bears shared 50/50 responsibility for white-tailed fawn mortality, and were the sole source of fawn mortality (at least in that study).     
http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/pdf/10.1139/z94-207
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 08, 2018, 12:00:46 PM
They wouldn't be eating bears if they didn't wipe out the deer population.
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: idaho guy on March 08, 2018, 12:09:27 PM
Ok all you "wlf haters".. You talk a lot of smack on here but now it's time to put up.. The Idaho Trappers Association needs financial help and comments on proposed lengthening of wolf seasons. Idaho wolfves will eventually become Washington wolves if numbers increase.
I'm sending a donation and commenting on the proposal today. So no more blowing smoke and let's see some action! (You especially Wolfbait.)
I'll be watching.. and  seeing who just  like to whine.


 :tup: putting out wolf traps this Sunday or Monday! only have a few weeks left where is the proposal for comment?
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: wolfbait on March 11, 2018, 08:59:44 AM
Ok all you "wlf haters".. You talk a lot of smack on here but now it's time to put up.. The Idaho Trappers Association needs financial help and comments on proposed lengthening of wolf seasons. Idaho wolfves will eventually become Washington wolves if numbers increase.
I'm sending a donation and commenting on the proposal today. So no more blowing smoke and let's see some action! (You especially Wolfbait.)
I'll be watching.. and  seeing who just  like to whine.

At this point a few more wolves trapped in Idaho will make no difference in WA, WA is now thoroughly infested with wolves. Trapping and hunting combine will not control wolf populations, so if you really want to help Idaho etc. campaign for more areal gunning or poison baits in areas where wolves are decimating the game herds etc.. Look at Alaska as an example of wolf control efforts.


Ok all you "wlf haters".. You talk a lot of smack on here but now it's time to put up.. The Idaho Trappers Association needs financial help and comments on proposed lengthening of wolf seasons. Idaho wolfves will eventually become Washington wolves if numbers increase.
I'm sending a donation and commenting on the proposal today. So no more blowing smoke and let's see some action! (You especially Wolfbait.)
I'll be watching.. and  seeing who just  like to whine.


 :tup: putting out wolf traps this Sunday or Monday! only have a few weeks left where is the proposal for comment?

Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: Cougartail on March 12, 2018, 09:07:28 AM
Look at Alaska.. More wolves are killed by trappers/hunters than aerial shooting by far. Aerial shooting was designed as a supplemental measure in certain areas only. In one unit (19 I believe?) It had no measurable results as it was bears not wolves that were causing high mortallity rates on moose.
Anybody who doesn't think that a high population of wolves in one state isn't going to effect neighboring states doesn't know spit about them.  They move with  the availibility of food sources. Often times hundreds of miles and in conflict with other packs of wolves.
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: idaho guy on March 12, 2018, 10:31:51 AM
Look at Alaska.. More wolves are killed by trappers/hunters than aerial shooting by far. Aerial shooting was designed as a supplemental measure in certain areas only. In one unit (19 I believe?) It had no measurable results as it was bears not wolves that were causing high mortallity rates on moose.
Anybody who doesn't think that a high population of wolves in one state isn't going to effect neighboring states doesn't know spit about them.  They move with  the availibility of food sources. Often times hundreds of miles and in conflict with other packs of wolves.


where do we comment or post support on the longer trapping season in Idaho?
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: wolfbait on March 12, 2018, 10:43:48 AM
Look at Alaska.. More wolves are killed by trappers/hunters than aerial shooting by far. Aerial shooting was designed as a supplemental measure in certain areas only. In one unit (19 I believe?) It had no measurable results as it was bears not wolves that were causing high mortallity rates on moose.
Anybody who doesn't think that a high population of wolves in one state isn't going to effect neighboring states doesn't know spit about them.  They move with  the availibility of food sources. Often times hundreds of miles and in conflict with other packs of wolves.

I would be more concerned about WA wolves moving into Idaho etc., remember it took only 6-7 years for ID,MT and Wyoming to be eligible to delist, WA has had next to zero wolf control for the 16 years, by WDFW own say wolves started "migrating" to WA in 2002.

 Interesting point on wolf movements, is until the USFWS moved wolves into the lower 48 there were very few, what cause the change that wolves start moving great distances? Years back a WDFW game warden said that the "lookout pack" came from Minnesota. The USWFS had to build pens in the Yellowstone to keep the wolves from going back to their home territory. I would be more incline to believe that wolves eat their way out, not jump hundreds of miles through an excellent prey base to some designated area they dreamed up.

What makes more since to the reason behind wolves moving great distance is they are trying to get back to their home territory after being hard released.

Talking to people in ID, and Montana some years ago, they said they could actually watch the wolves eat their way out as they expanded. I know the USFWS  etc. claim that wolf packs don't share a lot of the same county, that has been proven to be false over time, I believe it was in Wyoming that packs actually joined to form bigger packs.

It's taken several years to debunk the lies of the USFWS and it is still happening today. In Alaska and Alberta it is well noted that trapping and open season hunting will not control wolves. I talk to a guy a few years ago who was trapping wolves in Idaho, he said the first year wolves were pretty dumb to the traps and he did real well, the second year they were starting to smarten up and catching was harder by the third year he said he it was even harder. I highly doubt that trapping in Idaho is going to make any difference to WA. I think you are forgetting that WDFW refuse to confirm wolf packs unless they are forced to, you look at H-W wolf reports and start counting and then look at WDFW's numbers. WA ululates are being decimated before our eyes and it doesn't appear as if there is much of a push to do anything.


Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: idaho guy on March 12, 2018, 11:15:41 AM
Look at Alaska.. More wolves are killed by trappers/hunters than aerial shooting by far. Aerial shooting was designed as a supplemental measure in certain areas only. In one unit (19 I believe?) It had no measurable results as it was bears not wolves that were causing high mortallity rates on moose.
Anybody who doesn't think that a high population of wolves in one state isn't going to effect neighboring states doesn't know spit about them.  They move with  the availibility of food sources. Often times hundreds of miles and in conflict with other packs of wolves.

I would be more concerned about WA wolves moving into Idaho etc., remember it took only 6-7 years for ID,MT and Wyoming to be eligible to delist, WA has had next to zero wolf control for the 16 years, by WDFW own say wolves started "migrating" to WA in 2002.

 Interesting point on wolf movements, is until the USFWS moved wolves into the lower 48 there were very few, what cause the change that wolves start moving great distances? Years back a WDFW game warden said that the "lookout pack" came from Minnesota. The USWFS had to build pens in the Yellowstone to keep the wolves from going back to their home territory. I would be more incline to believe that wolves eat their way out, not jump hundreds of miles through an excellent prey base to some designated area they dreamed up.

What makes more since to the reason behind wolves moving great distance is they are trying to get back to their home territory after being hard released.

Talking to people in ID, and Montana some years ago, they said they could actually watch the wolves eat their way out as they expanded. I know the USFWS  etc. claim that wolf packs don't share a lot of the same county, that has been proven to be false over time, I believe it was in Wyoming that packs actually joined to form bigger packs.

It's taken several years to debunk the lies of the USFWS and it is still happening today. In Alaska and Alberta it is well noted that trapping and open season hunting will not control wolves. I talk to a guy a few years ago who was trapping wolves in Idaho, he said the first year wolves were pretty dumb to the traps and he did real well, the second year they were starting to smarten up and catching was harder by the third year he said he it was even harder. I highly doubt that trapping in Idaho is going to make any difference to WA. I think you are forgetting that WDFW refuse to confirm wolf packs unless they are forced to, you look at H-W wolf reports and start counting and then look at WDFW's numbers. WA ululates are being decimated before our eyes and it doesn't appear as if there is much of a push to do anything.



 


Amen brother! Keep fighting the good fight I think its funny how people still want to believe the lies when proof to the contrary is happening right in front of us. Maybe too many people spend more time reading about wolf "science and biology" and not enough time observing it and actually spending time in the woods.   
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: idaho guy on March 12, 2018, 11:21:36 AM
That was not pointed at cougartail I agree with what he is saying too. Supporting trapping in Idaho wont solve your problem but it cant do anything but help. I know a lot of them go back and forth between Washington and Idaho and Montana and Idaho too. Plus I agree with doing at least DOING something even if you cant in your own state. B*** ing on here is fun but it wont solve the problem  :chuckle:   
Title: Re: WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY
Post by: wolfbait on March 12, 2018, 08:43:23 PM
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