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Title: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: tlbradford on March 05, 2018, 09:33:21 PM
Good Lord @wacoyotehunter This is amazing.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on March 05, 2018, 09:39:04 PM
Big ol' cat.  Is he in the witness protection program?   ;)
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: huntnphool on March 05, 2018, 10:00:00 PM
Tranqued, tagged and released?
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Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2018, 10:13:21 PM
Tranqued, tagged and released?

Collared I believe.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 06, 2018, 03:31:55 AM
Tranqued, tagged and released?

Collared I believe.
He is fitted with a GPS collar.  This cat is awesome, they don't get much bigger! 
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: bowhunterforever on March 06, 2018, 04:20:23 AM
What part of the state?
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 06, 2018, 05:42:43 AM
Another deer eating machine released
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Post by: huntingfool7 on March 06, 2018, 05:44:02 AM
Big cat.  I'm a little disappointed.  I'd like to see a different group of guys in that photo.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Machias on March 06, 2018, 07:59:16 AM
What a stud cat!!!
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 06, 2018, 08:22:52 AM
What part of the state?
Up in NE Washington

Another deer eating machine released
Not exactly 'released'... he was already living there and doing his thing.  He probably eats mostly elk.  I suspect this lion has killed wolves, other lions, and coyotes effectively for half a decade.  If you want more deer, a lion like this is helpful.  He probably kills more lions in a year than most hunters will in their lifetime.

What a stud cat!!!
He is extraordinary.  I'm glad he was a gentleman...the dogs wouldn't stand a chance against a cat like this.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 06, 2018, 01:45:34 PM
Big cat.  I'm a little disappointed.  I'd like to see a different group of guys in that photo.

 :dunno:
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: trophyhunt on March 06, 2018, 02:04:33 PM
Big cat.  I'm a little disappointed.  I'd like to see a different group of guys in that photo.

 :dunno:
Im guessing he would rather hunters who killed it be in the photo?  Which were my thoughts as well, then I read WAcoyotehunter’s response, maybe he’s better alive?
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 06, 2018, 02:09:01 PM
Gotcha.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: elkboy on March 06, 2018, 02:09:58 PM
Kertson is a very capable bio.

Also, a top male like that does indeed kill a lot of dispersing juvenile male cougars!
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Machias on March 06, 2018, 03:14:52 PM
Bart, you got any photos of his track or his stride?  Did he give you much of a run?  Not too many guys have ever treed a cat that big....or ever will....  :)
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 06, 2018, 04:14:02 PM
Kertson is a very capable bio.

Also, a top male like that does indeed kill a lot of dispersing juvenile male cougars!
He's totally capable, and really knows lions.

Bart, you got any photos of his track or his stride?  Did he give you much of a run?  Not too many guys have ever treed a cat that big....or ever will....  :)
His track was big, but not ridiculous.  I cut the track in a tiny skiff of powder (>1/4") so it was a 'true print' without snowshoeing or exaggerating size.  His hind pad was just over 2.5" and his stride at a walk around 42"
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: YJ Guide Service on March 06, 2018, 04:20:05 PM
Only good cat is a dead one, kinda like a wolf...both deer and elk killers
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Doublelunger on March 06, 2018, 04:32:15 PM
Damn! Pure killing machine right there!!
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Post by: jdb on March 06, 2018, 05:02:45 PM
So who is who in the picture?
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 06, 2018, 08:37:59 PM
Only good cat is a dead one
I disagree.  As a hound handler a dead cat is no good at all. 
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Limhangerslayer on March 06, 2018, 08:51:06 PM
That is an awesome cat no matter what anybody thinks of it!  My grandpa ran hounds since the sixties, and I can only remember if one he ever talked about being over 200.  It was killed north of Twisp.  Great pic Bart.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Houndhunter on March 06, 2018, 09:32:51 PM
Only good cat is a dead one
I disagree.  As a hound handler a dead cat is no good at all.

 :yeah:, can't say I'm much of a hound guy anymore but it's all about having something to chase
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on March 06, 2018, 10:11:05 PM
Any more pics? Doesn't look 200lbs....
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: rasbo on March 07, 2018, 04:31:07 AM
Beautiful animal,all the years I've spent in the woods I've seen two. What cool predator
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 07, 2018, 04:57:52 AM
He does in this picture.

@machias this is the only picture I took of the track.  (you probably know) A quarter is almost exactly one inch diameter
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Timberstalker on March 07, 2018, 05:10:09 AM
Big, powerful animal.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 07, 2018, 05:14:28 AM
and still out there eating wildlife
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on March 07, 2018, 07:20:56 AM
and still out there eating wildlife

and so are you?... knock it off with your negativity, you are repeatedly making comments in threads that make people with a lot of knowledge and insight not post here any more.

Great job Bart! You guys are collaring alot of critters this year  :tup:
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Dan-o on March 07, 2018, 07:29:26 AM
Great thread. 

Thank you guys for posting pics of that monster. 

I haven't seen hundreds of cats, but I've seen enough to know that he is a BRUTE. 

That had to be exciting. 
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: YJ Guide Service on March 07, 2018, 07:34:15 AM
Only good cat is a dead one
I disagree.  As a hound handler a dead cat is no good at all.

We run hounds in Idaho where at least we can keep the cats in check. How are we keeping them in check in Washington State? By all the hunters. Not. How many guys you know of kill a cat just by being in the woods, not many. Most guys have never seen a cat in the wild. I am pro dogs trust me but here in this state they need to have a game plan for reducing numbers of cats in Lincoln county especially. In the past 4 years we have seen deer numbers drastically reduced in Lincoln county, luckily not on my farm but not far away. Its not from blue tongue either. So how are we keeping the cougar population in check? So why do you think a dead cat is no good, just wondering? Im not saying killem all Im saying we need a way of controlling numbers the same thing goes with bears. We have so many bears on our farm on camera and no one that trys to hunt them ever sees them just walking around. If we don't come up with a way to keep numbers in check the over population will just get worse. We have 5000 acres and I have 14 different bears that I can identify, seems like a lot for that amount of ground.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on March 07, 2018, 07:42:35 AM
He does in this picture.

@machias this is the only picture I took of the track.  (you probably know) A quarter is almost exactly one inch diameter

Right on, way better pic. What a stud cat!!
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 07, 2018, 07:47:46 AM
Thanks so much for sharing, wacoyote! He's a beautiful animal. And that track is massive!
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: 7mmfan on March 07, 2018, 08:01:31 AM
Not exactly 'released'... he was already living there and doing his thing.  He probably eats mostly elk.  I suspect this lion has killed wolves, other lions, and coyotes effectively for half a decade.  If you want more deer, a lion like this is helpful.  He probably kills more lions in a year than most hunters will in their lifetime.

So based on this theory, would we be better off targeting young males and females in an effort to actually reduce the predator population? Could that be said for all predators?

It makes sense I suppose. When we want to reduce herd numbers of deer or elk, they issue doe and cow tags.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Machias on March 07, 2018, 08:03:31 AM
Awesome photos Bart, thanks for sharing.  Living the dream!!  I was at a mule club banquet the other night and spoke with Debbie Fauser, says she knows you.  :)
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: MooseZ25 on March 07, 2018, 09:07:35 AM
Only good cat is a dead one
I disagree.  As a hound handler a dead cat is no good at all.

We run hounds in Idaho where at least we can keep the cats in check. How are we keeping them in check in Washington State? By all the hunters. Not. How many guys you know of kill a cat just by being in the woods, not many. Most guys have never seen a cat in the wild. I am pro dogs trust me but here in this state they need to have a game plan for reducing numbers of cats in Lincoln county especially. In the past 4 years we have seen deer numbers drastically reduced in Lincoln county, luckily not on my farm but not far away. Its not from blue tongue either. So how are we keeping the cougar population in check? So why do you think a dead cat is no good, just wondering? Im not saying killem all Im saying we need a way of controlling numbers the same thing goes with bears. We have so many bears on our farm on camera and no one that trys to hunt them ever sees them just walking around. If we don't come up with a way to keep numbers in check the over population will just get worse. We have 5000 acres and I have 14 different bears that I can identify, seems like a lot for that amount of ground.

I agree with you 100% Craig.  Who is paying for all this collar study? We are the hunters.  There has been collar studies done before and the results show the same thing.  Predators kill and they need to be managed.  Bart is a great hound man and supports his trade.  I use to be a hound man too...use to be.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Cylvertip on March 07, 2018, 09:11:54 AM
Oh man, he looks really happy up in the tree.... NOT!   :tup:  What a toad.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: 2MANY on March 07, 2018, 09:33:21 AM
Cool.
I sure hope he didn't get a head ache when he dismounted the tree.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 07, 2018, 09:45:41 AM
Not every picture posted needs to start an issue. Sometimes, pictures of wildlife are just cool pictures. Some people need to quit finding something to get angry over in everything they see.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Timberstalker on March 07, 2018, 10:20:16 AM
Not every picture posted needs to start an issue. Sometimes, pictures of wildlife are just cool pictures. Some people need to quit finding something to get angry over in everything they see.

Easy with that sensible talk, Pman.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 07, 2018, 10:33:47 AM
Sorry. I regain control occasionally.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: idaho guy on March 07, 2018, 09:46:16 PM
 :tup:what a great cat love the tree pic
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 07, 2018, 10:01:52 PM
Real nice cat!  That's a deer / elk  eating machine right there.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 07, 2018, 11:19:14 PM
Pretty amazing!
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: quadrafire on March 08, 2018, 07:41:42 AM
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/mar/07/biologist-capture-and-tag-massive-cougar-north-of-/#/0
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Doublelunger on March 08, 2018, 10:54:00 AM
My friend Cody got a monster down here in Oregon a couple years ago that made the rounds on social media. They weren't able to get a weight on him but guessed he was around 200 lbs. I had no idea what a cat that size would look like so I always assumed the weight was a little exaggerated. After seeing this WA cat I don't think they were far off.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Katmai Guy on March 08, 2018, 11:21:17 AM
@WAcoyotehunter, are you the gentleman on the left or right?
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: 92xj on March 08, 2018, 11:22:46 AM
Neither
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 08, 2018, 11:23:06 AM
I'm in the middle
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Post by: Machias on March 08, 2018, 11:35:02 AM
Bart your cat is now making the rounds on Facebook.  :)
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: dfresh96 on March 08, 2018, 03:19:01 PM
thats 1 big kitty...thanks for sharing
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 08, 2018, 03:46:45 PM
My friend Cody got a monster down here in Oregon a couple years ago that made the rounds on social media. They weren't able to get a weight on him but guessed he was around 200 lbs. I had no idea what a cat that size would look like so I always assumed the weight was a little exaggerated. After seeing this WA cat I don't think they were far off.

I bet that cat is 200+, if it got a hold of you game over.  :yike:
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 08, 2018, 06:52:19 PM
That OR cat is a big one- it could be 200. 
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: X-Force on March 08, 2018, 07:38:43 PM
Sweet article. Beautiful cat. Couldn’t imagine seeing one that big.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Rainier10 on March 09, 2018, 08:03:03 AM
I wonder how many more are running around that size now.  With no hound hunting that guy made it through his youth when he was most susceptible to opportunity hunters taking him out.  Now he has plenty of experience, he is massive and probably the most efficient killer roaming the woods.  I would love to see the data coming back from that collar on what his range is and how often he kills.  It would also be cool to go to the kill sites and see what his main diet is.  Also if he eats the entire kill or moves on for fresh meat.  I think a ton can be learned from the collar placed on this massive cat.

If they ever brought back hound hunting I bet the first two years you would see some massive cats.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 09, 2018, 08:27:47 AM
I saw one a couple years ago cross HWY 20 around Easy Pass trail head, three jumps to cross the road, and it was huge, now seeing these two cats I bet this one was easily 180lbs plus.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: bearpaw on March 09, 2018, 09:54:45 PM
Kertson is a very capable bio.

Also, a top male like that does indeed kill a lot of dispersing juvenile male cougars!
He's totally capable, and really knows lions.

Bart, you got any photos of his track or his stride?  Did he give you much of a run?  Not too many guys have ever treed a cat that big....or ever will....  :)
His track was big, but not ridiculous.  I cut the track in a tiny skiff of powder (>1/4") so it was a 'true print' without snowshoeing or exaggerating size.  His hind pad was just over 2.5" and his stride at a walk around 42"

That was a sleeper track, sometimes they can really surprise you.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: bearpaw on March 09, 2018, 10:07:50 PM
On the local radio the bio was saying that this is part of a predator/prey study. That was good to hear, but I'm just wondering if Weilgus has any hand in this study? Weilgus' past studies have led to less management of cougars in WA. @WAcoyotehunter

If you can't comment I understand!
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 10, 2018, 08:02:28 AM
On the local radio the bio was saying that this is part of a predator/prey study. That was good to hear, but I'm just wondering if Weilgus has any hand in this study? Weilgus' past studies have led to less management of cougars in WA. @WAcoyotehunter

If you can't comment I understand!
No, he is not involved at all.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: bearpaw on March 10, 2018, 08:08:30 AM
On the local radio the bio was saying that this is part of a predator/prey study. That was good to hear, but I'm just wondering if Weilgus has any hand in this study? Weilgus' past studies have led to less management of cougars in WA. @WAcoyotehunter

If you can't comment I understand!
No, he is not involved at all.

 :tup: Thanks, glad to hear!
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 11, 2018, 07:35:49 PM
Got this one a little over a week ago in Idaho just for fun what do you think he weighs?

170+ a little, nice cat.  :tup:
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 12, 2018, 06:07:25 AM
Tough to tell without getting a better look.  I tend to guess lighter than they usually are.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: idaho guy on March 12, 2018, 06:45:50 AM
 :tup:thanks for the replies guys I decided to remove and I can start another thread didn’t want to derail this one. I never weighed this cat but had three or four friends I showed the cat to whole and got anywhere from 140 to 180 ha ha . I wish I would have gotten him on a scale because he was really fat he had a layer of fat on him like I have never seen on another lion. Anyways my guess was 150 I think most mature toms look like they are 170 but most that are taken in Idaho seem to average 130 maybe 140 not average lion but the mature toms. That’s what makes the 196 lion so special a real rarity where I hunt
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Doublelunger on March 12, 2018, 08:56:30 AM
The article said the estimated age of the cat was 9 years old.  When is a cougar in his prime?
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Matth on March 22, 2018, 11:41:01 AM
These are all awesome cats.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 22, 2018, 12:08:03 PM
Awesome in what respect?
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Machias on March 22, 2018, 12:35:10 PM
Awesome, as in awesome animals to hunt, to chase, to watch....awesome predators.....
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Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 22, 2018, 08:03:41 PM
Awesome, as in awesome animals to hunt, to chase, to watch....awesome predators.....
yep^ everything about them is awesome.  I would rather see a lion like this than a 200" deer. To me, cougars are the ultimate big game animal and my favorite to pursue
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Dan-o on March 22, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
Yep. 

Truly an awesome predator. 

Thanks again for sharing. 
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: bearpaw on March 26, 2018, 11:33:49 AM
Awesome, as in awesome animals to hunt, to chase, to watch....awesome predators.....
yep^ everything about them is awesome.  I would rather see a lion like this than a 200" deer. To me, cougars are the ultimate big game animal and my favorite to pursue

 :yeah:
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: quadrafire on March 26, 2018, 04:47:28 PM
Awesome, as in awesome animals to hunt, to chase, to watch....awesome predators.....
yep^ everything about them is awesome.  I would rather see a lion like this than a 200" deer. To me, cougars are the ultimate big game animal and my favorite to pursue

 :yeah:
Well to expand on this. I'd like to see that cat take down a 200 in deer. On video!!
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2018, 05:32:01 PM
Awesome, as in awesome animals to hunt, to chase, to watch....awesome predators.....
yep^ everything about them is awesome.  I would rather see a lion like this than a 200" deer. To me, cougars are the ultimate big game animal and my favorite to pursue

 :yeah:
Well to expand on this. I'd like to see that cat take down a 200 in deer. On video!!


Close enough??

Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: Rainier10 on March 26, 2018, 05:47:16 PM
Cool video. Not how I would have imagined it.
Title: Re: 196 Pound Washington Lion!
Post by: quadrafire on March 28, 2018, 01:01:29 PM
Awesome, as in awesome animals to hunt, to chase, to watch....awesome predators.....
yep^ everything about them is awesome.  I would rather see a lion like this than a 200" deer. To me, cougars are the ultimate big game animal and my favorite to pursue

 :yeah:
Well to expand on this. I'd like to see that cat take down a 200 in deer. On video!!


Close enough??

Yes close enough.....Geesh Brutal