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Big Game Hunting => Bear Hunting => Topic started by: billythekidrock on June 07, 2009, 09:06:32 AM

Title: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: billythekidrock on June 07, 2009, 09:06:32 AM
Here are some images of shot placement. They were taken from the IBEF pdf file that you can find here. http://www.nbef.org/  
It has a lot of great information for both archery and rifle bear hunters.

Overhead view of shot placement angles.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/bearangles.gif)

Composite image I created from the individual ones below.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/bearshotplacementfull.jpg)

Individual images from the composite image.

Bear
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/bear28.jpg)

Muscles
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/muscles.jpg)

Skeleton
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/skeleton.jpg)

Circulatory System
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/cirulatorysystem.jpg)

Organs
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/organs.jpg)


Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: billythekidrock on June 07, 2009, 09:10:13 AM
Here is another one.

(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/1443webBearAnatomyCr.jpg)
Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: JBar on June 07, 2009, 09:31:56 AM
This is good info, I actually studied this NBEF stuff really good before I went on my first archery spring bear hunt.
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Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 07, 2009, 11:45:47 AM
Great info!
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Post by: Skinner on June 07, 2009, 12:09:40 PM
Thanks good info!
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Post by: bowsandhose on June 07, 2009, 12:43:16 PM
 :tup:
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Post by: bucklucky on June 07, 2009, 12:46:57 PM
Nice
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Post by: ratherhunt on June 07, 2009, 05:41:24 PM
Awesome Information Thanks
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Post by: markts on June 07, 2009, 05:47:57 PM
Thanks Billy I will just need to find one shoo dat.  :chuckle:Mark
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 09, 2009, 10:39:19 AM
Thanks BTKR!  Best article on this subject I've found to date.  On 6 Jun I logged on to American Hunter.org re: "How To Shoot A Bear".  It was OK but they are in the "bust the shoulder 1st camp".  I'm not a magnum shooter (definately nothing wrong w/that) but get my jollies by close shots w/leverguns in traditional calibers.  I think my best choice is a double lunger.  Now, from these picts, I finally see why waiting until near front leg is fwd makes sense.  Just gotta graduate from cardiac rehab before 1 Aug!!!!! Last bear I got was w/a 450 Marlin which is closer to a short range magnum than a traditional caliber.  Bullet lodged against far shoulder blade & knocked him down but I had to finish him.
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Post by: coriantonk on June 11, 2009, 12:01:24 AM
Thanks for the pics and info.  It gives me something to think about,  August 1st aint that fer away :tup:
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Post by: littletoes on June 14, 2009, 08:59:52 AM
Shoulder or Neck for me.....they just don't get up or run after that.

Great Pics guys!
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Post by: fishcrazy on June 17, 2009, 07:45:00 PM
Sideswipe,

I enjoy shooting lever guns as well. I have a Marlin 1895 Cowboy that a want to shoot a bear with so BAD!!! I hand load it and have a really hot load ready. I like to think I will get one this year. It must be a real rush getting one with a lever gun with open sights!!! I think I'm going to do some scouting around Forks this year. Shot my first bear in the Cascades with a scoped .308 but wanna find a better population away from so many people and kill one cowboy style!!


Kris
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Post by: GWA Hunter on June 17, 2009, 11:02:59 PM
Good info. Thanks Billy :)
Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: Airnip on June 18, 2009, 08:07:39 PM
Tried for quite a while to copy the picture in this old post from another forum. It is a target picture of a bear's heart and lungs from facing front. Maybe someone else could have better results getting this shot placement guide here?
http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,30878.0.html (http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,30878.0.html)
Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: billythekidrock on June 18, 2009, 08:12:58 PM
Tried for quite a while to copy the picture in this old post from another forum. It is a target picture of a bear's heart and lungs from facing front. Maybe someone else could have better results getting this shot placement guide here?
http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,30878.0.html (http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,30878.0.html)

This one?

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/JPErdmann/Montana/102_0017.jpg)
Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: Airnip on June 18, 2009, 08:19:01 PM
That would be it. Seems much better than the "Bear Attack" book's crecent shaped necklace picture. Thanks again.
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Post by: Huntbear on June 18, 2009, 08:20:43 PM
From that pictures angle, you are already about to be lunch, because you are on your back on the ground, and the bear is giving thanks for food!!!!   :chuckle:

Billy, awesome write up.  Thanks, it will come in handy as soon as I can find a bear after Aug. 1.
Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: bearpaw on July 02, 2009, 04:51:48 PM
I have to pieces of advice on shooting bear....

1. Try to break a shoulder and get the lungs with your first shot.
2. If the bear starts to get back up shoot him again until he stays down.

Every time I violate those rules it seems I regret it. This spring a guy shot a bear and it went down, it was getting up and moving around some, he was going to shoot again and like an idiot I said "I think he's gonna die." The guy hesitated and the bear got up and made it out of sight in a split second. I found blood in a half dozen places as far as a couple hundred yards away and then as usual it dried up. I still regret that remark. We shot another bear two days later but I do not like anything to get away wounded. Through the years this has happened a few times, if we would have just put another round in them it would have been for the best.
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Post by: SHANE(WA) on July 02, 2009, 05:03:06 PM
Always shoot till down and not moving. Better take both lungs or kiss the bear goodbye. Bear can survive on a collapsed lung. I shot a bear years ago that just dropped rolled 10 yards and came to rest againt a tree, motionless for 5 min kept watching nothing. Bear appeared to be dead, started to pack up and make my way over and bear is up going down the hill, dragging a shoulder. Never saw the bear again
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Post by: Redstar on July 08, 2009, 02:14:38 PM
Good info, thank you for sharing.
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Post by: bowhiker on July 17, 2009, 09:22:12 PM
Good information there. I'm still looking to shoot my first one.
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Post by: zackmioli on July 22, 2009, 09:44:46 PM
great info thanks!
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Post by: bearhunter59 on July 25, 2009, 10:28:12 AM
both bears I've shot have been head shots...right in the side of the head...nice big whole out the other side....dropped and never moved again....about an inch or two below the ear did it both times....they don't tend to go far whenyou blow their brains out...last one was a 225yrd shot...one shot...one kill. :chuckle: :IBCOOL:
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Post by: westsideoutdoorsman on August 13, 2009, 02:51:05 PM
In 98' I was 16 and shot my 2nd bear.  Wasn't the greatest shot placement (back shot) as he was about 220+ yards off.  Head over heels he came down that hill towards us into the deep cover, heard some heavy wheezing and brush crashing as we figured he was on his way out.  I took my friends advice to go up the hill and follow the blood trail down instead of going to where we heard him ... 2 days later after 3 of us had been up there with machettes making trails and trying to recover him we found him, torn apart with only the hide left.  To this day he is the only animal I've put down that I wasn't able to recover and harvest. YUK
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Post by: boneaddict on August 13, 2009, 02:55:17 PM
I honestly think bear are the toughest critters to put down.
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Post by: rasbo on August 13, 2009, 03:10:15 PM
they get two no matter what,third one is for me
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Post by: westsideoutdoorsman on August 13, 2009, 03:20:14 PM
they get two no matter what,third one is for me


Yea that's a good rule to follow.  I'm not a big fan of waiting for them to die, in my opinion their departure should be quick and as painless as possible. I like to follow the first up quickly with a second, and that third for you rasbo, if they're still breathing.  :P
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Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 03, 2009, 09:12:06 AM
Thanks for posting this Billy!  Good info
Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: Gutpile on September 06, 2009, 06:36:11 PM
Great thread but I went a different way in 09.
Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: elkh8tr on February 01, 2010, 10:29:38 AM
Wow! I have yet to try the headshot with my bow.  :bash: The heart/lungs seem to do pretty good for me.
Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: Raul Duke on February 23, 2010, 06:14:54 PM
good info,
head shot looks cool.
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Post by: Decker on March 27, 2010, 12:22:46 AM
If that head shot didn't demolish the skull too bad it would make a pretty cool skull mount, especially if there was a tale of a charge involved.

Personally speaking I agree with Bearpaw, take out their running gear and try to get a lung. Best rifle shot I've seen was at 175 when my friend shot it in the neck, aiming for the spine. He's a good shot; I've never seen a bear collapse and never move besides that shot.

On an archery note, the one I shanked in an apple tree fell at the base dead. I still think arrows are the way to go, and bears are an epic hunt, should you decide to use their limited eyesight against them. Just hunt the wind and you'll be good.
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Post by: Caretaker on April 05, 2010, 10:45:44 PM
Really good info, thank you.
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Post by: skier2480 on August 21, 2010, 02:06:32 PM
Great info guys. Thanks!
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Post by: BlackRidge on August 24, 2010, 10:00:02 AM
 :tup: Awesome info, Thanks!
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Post by: bearpaw on September 01, 2010, 06:17:52 PM
gutpile, good shot, no argueing that shot was a death sentence.... :chuckle:
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Post by: markts on September 01, 2010, 07:42:20 PM
I honestly think bear are the toughest critters to put down.
I cant believe you didnt take a beating for this comment-I feel the same way and have scars on my back from the lashings I have taken from people saying bears are as easy to put down as a chipmonk :chuckle:
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Post by: BlackRidge on September 20, 2010, 11:09:20 AM
Another pic

(http://www.huntwashingtonstate.com/HWS/pictures/bearvitals.jpg)
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Post by: inkfish86 on November 21, 2010, 12:42:24 PM
good info thanks for sharing, now i can see "why" you have to let them get the front foot forward.
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Post by: Wazukie on November 21, 2010, 12:47:56 PM
my 2010 bear was one shot to the heat and lungs, she didnt go more than 10 yrds and took a dirt nap.  I hunt with a single shot rifle, I have to make the first one count cause I might not get a second one.
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Post by: deleted BGS on December 19, 2010, 12:26:50 AM
Great pics. Got 2 bears this year. One was shot broadside facing left, one shot 250 yds heart lungs, rolled it. next my dads, was facing away a@@ end toward him, shot between spine and front shoulder, heart, rolled it, 250 yards. Both 1 shot kills from a pretty decent range. Both bears 200+, i dont know how some people shoot 3,4,5 shots :dunno: Bad shot placement I guess
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Post by: rhc2000 on January 01, 2011, 01:20:45 PM
good information to know
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 10, 2011, 02:51:29 PM
With the spring bear hunt just around the corner, I thought this might be helpful to a few people.
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 18, 2011, 03:53:00 PM
HAHAHA no doubt Gutpile that was a good come back !!!
Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: Gutpile on April 18, 2011, 05:07:40 PM
If that head shot didn't demolish the skull too bad it would make a pretty cool skull mount, especially if there was a tale of a charge involved.

I have the skull. Perfect hole through and through. No damage to the skull other than that. Truth being told the bear was facing me and was much closer than I thought. I was shooting a 350 Rem Mag wjich starts to fall off at 250 so I put the crosshairs between the eyes thinking it would hit it in the chest. Still a cool pic though when I want to brag about how great a shot I am.  :chuckle:  Anyways the bear was at 180ish so the bullet didn't drop at all hence the head shot.  :tung:
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Post by: shedkid on August 06, 2012, 11:47:00 AM
shoot them in the sholders, thats where the vitals are! 
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Post by: Rufous on April 11, 2013, 08:52:34 PM
The last post stated- "shoot them in the shoulders, that is where the vitals are". I would like to comment on that and add some of my observations. To just say shoot them in the shoulders is not good advice because it really depends on how the animal's body is positioned. I have told my brother in the past on various animals to try to bust shoulder before and he did so but due to the way the animal was facing/positioned he missed the vitals (for example the animal was broadside but its front legs were positioned forward). One must consider where the center of the vitals are located and aim to put the bullet through that center. Clearly a quality bullet placed through the vitals will kill whatever animal but I (like many others) like to also immobilize the animal so that it cannot move into heavy cover. So what I try to accomplish is to break at least one front leg while also destroying the vitals. My biggest bear was an excellent example and has come to be my favored shot, especially on bear. It was quartering away and I aimed to center the vitals and break the offside front leg. The bear dropped at the shot. I also advocate follow up shots, especially on bear. I have learned the hard way and hope that you will not make the same mistake. Bears in particular can be really hard to find so keep shooting!
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Post by: h20hunter on July 29, 2013, 02:05:00 PM
Quick bump.......season is right around the corner!
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Post by: JJB11B on August 17, 2013, 12:10:58 AM
I plan on stickin one this year. Passed on a couple last year both with a gun and a bow. I've seen so many stinkin bears this year whilst scouting for deer and elk. Washington seriously needs to start selling second bear tags. Its getting ridiculous
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Post by: ellensburgpo on August 17, 2013, 12:17:25 AM
They do sell second bear tags. Pick one up.
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Post by: Elliott on August 19, 2013, 05:47:08 PM
I plan on stickin one this year. Passed on a couple last year both with a gun and a bow. I've seen so many stinkin bears this year whilst scouting for deer and elk. Washington seriously needs to start selling second bear tags. Its getting ridiculous
They do sell second bear tags. Pick one up.

Only thing is only one can be from eastern washington.
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Post by: ghostshell on August 24, 2013, 07:16:53 AM
washington does sell two bear tags....... you get two west side bears or one east one west.  :tup:
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Post by: JJB11B on October 03, 2013, 08:53:30 PM
I plan on stickin one this year. Passed on a couple last year both with a gun and a bow. I've seen so many stinkin bears this year whilst scouting for deer and elk. Washington seriously needs to start selling second bear tags. Its getting ridiculous
They do sell second bear tags. Pick one up.

Only thing is only one can be from eastern washington.
I only hunt eastern washington
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Post by: Tracker20xray on January 29, 2014, 10:44:51 AM
.243 168 yds, take the lights out(which are more foward than you know)30 to 100 yds.there done,rifle or bow.   there soft skin and small boned,BUT heart and lungs are not in the middle of bear.
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Post by: D-Rock425 on January 29, 2014, 11:24:13 AM
.243 168 yds, take the lights out(which are more foward than you know)30 to 100 yds.there done,rifle or bow.   there soft skin and small boned,BUT heart and lungs are not in the middle of bear.
really 100 yard bow shot at a bear? 
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Post by: Tracker20xray on January 30, 2014, 10:36:27 AM
if you would have checked with your dad,he would have told you that's how far they go with no lungs.
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Post by: D-Rock425 on January 30, 2014, 11:08:33 AM
.243 168 yds, take the lights out(which are more foward than you know)30 to 100 yds.there done,rifle or bow.   there soft skin and small boned,BUT heart and lungs are not in the middle of bear.
I guess I miss understood I thought you meant taking 100 yard shots with a bow :sry:
if you would have checked with your dad,he would have told you that's how far they go with no lungs.
my old man has nothing to do with it.
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Post by: whitey on January 30, 2014, 12:03:46 PM
Head shot.. :yike:
 :bdid:
 :rolleyes:
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Post by: D-Rock425 on January 30, 2014, 12:20:21 PM
I've done it it works.
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Post by: Tracker20xray on January 30, 2014, 01:09:17 PM
Not your sorry,nor mine for that matter.60 years ago my teacher wrote on my report card Dose not play well with others,2-years in the nam probable didn't help eather,but it is what it is,and i don't make my self clear lots of the time. :dunno:
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Post by: bmonti76 on July 30, 2014, 11:44:06 AM
Thanks Billy I will just need to find one shoo dat.  :chuckle:Mark

Yeah great info, now can you put me on one!!!
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Post by: Maverick on July 30, 2014, 02:38:49 PM
What caliber do you guys recommend and how far are you willing to shoot at a bear with that caliber?
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Post by: h20hunter on July 30, 2014, 02:48:27 PM
I'd say there is no answer for you. I'd say how far can you shoot your legal caliber and be confident of hitting your target. If you shoot a cannon but can't hit anything what good is the caliber and range?

Quick edit: I've shot my only two bears under 30 yards with a .270, one was a 130gr, the other a 150gr. I put the bullet where it needed to go. First bear flopped on its back, second took 3 steps.
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Post by: D-Rock425 on July 30, 2014, 02:53:32 PM
I shoot a little 7mm08 because I'm a girl.  That being said i'd shoot 200 yards on a broadside bear with no hesitation.  I'm always looking for a 2nd follow up shot no matter how good I think I've hit the bear.
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Post by: Maverick on July 30, 2014, 03:00:52 PM
My go to rifle is usually a Remington .270 150 grain. Have yet to shoot at a bear but reading stories on a lot running off I'm questioning if I should use something bigger.
Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: h20hunter on July 30, 2014, 03:03:19 PM
If you shoot it regulary I'd say bully to what others say. Put a 150gr where it needs to go, don't rush the shot, like D-Rock said, be prepared for a follow up, and get to it. My avatar bear fell to a to slow moving 150gr Barnes and died as fast as you could ask. Crushed him. Took out liver, lung, lung, and broke the far shoulder.
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Post by: ghostshell on February 07, 2015, 08:32:31 AM
double lungs...... archery.  :tup:
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Post by: 7mmstalker on February 07, 2015, 09:39:27 AM
The best advice, as always, is shoot the rifle that you shoot the best.  A well placed shot with a good bullet always works well. If I were using 30 cal./180grain or heavier, I would take the shoulder shot, smaller bullets definitely not, wait for the chest cavity-heart / lung to be exposed.
A bigger bore rifle doesn't kill any deader than the trusty 30-06, 270,or any number of other calibers common for deer hunting. I met one long time Alaskan who hunted everything, Moose included, with a 25-06.
Keep shooting  'till the bear doesn't move any more.  An extra hole or two in the hide means nothing compared to the bitterness and disappointment of losing a wounded animal.
I have seen black bear absorb a 7mmMag slug in the spine and immediately bounce up and try to run on the good legs. Same thing from a 338 WinMag shot to the spine.  Both of those were put down with a second shot.
Seems that a lot of hunters equate toughness with dangerous.  Many will not agree, but the black bear is not a particularly viscous animal, wounded, that's a little different. Most animals just want to escape danger. Any wounded animal will be aggressive and potentially dangerous. The brown and polar bears are the guys who will consistently choose to confront and fight.
If you are not hunting alone, it can work well to designate one person must bring the "fight stopper" rifle. That is similar to how the guides deal with the possibility of aggressive animals.  I really like having a heavy caliber, or 12ga with premium slugs to bring along if blood trailing, deer or larger. The wounded ones often head into thick cover, so a short range heavy impact round /weapon is best.
Situation awareness, make the first shot count, and have a quick, effective plan B, and plan C.
Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: jasnt on February 07, 2015, 10:15:36 AM
Personally I'm not a shoulder buster. I like vital shots and prefer quartering away shots, but I shoot a 243 for just about everything! Last years bear was a big sow(>300lbs) shot from 150 yards. Bullet passed threw both lungs, sent shrapnel threw the heart and exited slicing threw the jugular. She went 40 yards.  Could have run fallowing the blood trail!  Shoot what you have and can shoot well!
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Post by: 7mmstalker on February 07, 2015, 12:41:03 PM
Aim small, miss small!  Shooting like that you could make clean kills with almost any (legal) weapon.  Archery too.   
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Post by: dune on May 02, 2015, 06:47:02 AM
I like the 300 win mag it puts any thing down quick
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Post by: D-Rock425 on May 02, 2015, 07:17:29 AM
I like the 300 win mag it puts any thing down quick
300 win mag with bad shot placement results in lost bear.  Bears seem to be the toughest things ive ever killed.  Seen bears get shot with a 375 h&h and still gova good distance.
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Post by: jordanramos_79 on May 02, 2015, 08:34:04 AM
Tagging. This has some great info.  :tup:
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Post by: WAPatriot on June 15, 2015, 06:21:56 AM
http://www.bear-hunting.com/2014/5/middle-of-the-middle-redefining-shot-placement

Anyone ever try and shoot them far back
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Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 17, 2016, 11:37:10 AM
http://www.bear-hunting.com/2014/5/middle-of-the-middle-redefining-shot-placement

Anyone ever try and shoot them far back
I did with a .308 a few weeks ago, 98 yards broadside.  Another member found the rotted carcass 4 days later.  She went a long way. 
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Post by: h20hunter on March 11, 2017, 09:15:08 AM
Ttt.

C'mon draw. Some shot placement refresher.
Title: Re: Shot placement for black bears.
Post by: tgomez on September 06, 2017, 02:37:10 PM
I have shot all 3 of my bear with a 30-06. I shoot for double lung shots on ALL ANIMALS. Two of my bear were small boars 130 lbs and 108 lbs, and they didn't move at all after I shot them. My 326 lb sow ran about 75 yards and the only reason I didn't shoot it again is because I had no second opportunity. I agree with many others who are EXPERIENCED bear hunters, aim for the vitals(heart and lungs) and if they are still moving shoot again.