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Post by: LongTatLaw on August 03, 2009, 10:51:23 PM
Well, many of you know me as the guy
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Post by: Michelle_Nelson on August 03, 2009, 11:24:59 PM
 :chuckle:  LTL you sure you didn't catch something over in Iraq?
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Post by: bow4elk on August 03, 2009, 11:30:13 PM
It feels good to pass on critters...nice job.  Sounds like a great video opportunity.
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Post by: saylean on August 04, 2009, 08:51:27 AM
Nothing wrong with passing on a 100 lbs'er...it would be tough to do with a bow though.

Good things come to those who wait, hopefully.
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Post by: rasbo on August 04, 2009, 08:55:07 AM
way to go tat,
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Post by: winston2789 on August 04, 2009, 10:35:09 AM
i sure wouldnt shoot a 100 pound bear, it feels better not shooting one that small. way to go
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Post by: catwithboost on August 04, 2009, 12:02:50 PM
Like LTL said for a first bear I will shoot it.
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Post by: deerslyr on August 04, 2009, 12:11:51 PM
im right there with you catwithboost
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Post by: saylean on August 04, 2009, 01:21:16 PM
take the lens cap off next time... :chuckle:
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Post by: runamuk on August 04, 2009, 01:22:32 PM
That was nice of you to leave it for Catwithboost ... sharing its a nice gesture...stupid but nice  ;)  :chuckle:
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Post by: Houndhunter on August 04, 2009, 04:12:41 PM
id shoot it, you get two tags :dunno:
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Post by: catwithboost on August 04, 2009, 04:27:14 PM
id shoot it, you get two tags :dunno:
He is being nice since it is my area and will be my first. If it was a 300lb bear and he let it go yes he needs to be smacked  :chuckle:
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Post by: Houndhunter on August 04, 2009, 04:33:51 PM
well i did not even see one sat through mon, never had that happen in the place i go in august. maybe i need to follow you :chuckle:
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Post by: markts on August 04, 2009, 04:36:06 PM
Nice call on the pass Ltl. Hard to find good huntin partners. Mark
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Post by: tlbradford on August 04, 2009, 04:38:37 PM
:chuckle:  LTL you sure you didn't catch something over in Iraq?

He would have shot it, but his taxidermist charges way too much for those baby bears.   :chuckle:
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Post by: Wea300mag on August 04, 2009, 04:45:02 PM
:chuckle:  LTL you sure you didn't catch something over in Iraq?

He would have shot it, but his taxidermist charges way too much for those baby bears.   :chuckle:

Bwaaahahahaha!!!!

Way to hold out tat!!! :tup:
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Post by: catwithboost on August 04, 2009, 04:45:44 PM
Nice call on the pass Ltl. Hard to find good huntin partners. Mark
Dave has been a great guy and hunting partner. We will see how he does this fall in E Wa on are deer hunt.  :chuckle:
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Post by: markts on August 04, 2009, 05:20:58 PM
Deer may be a different story all together. :chuckle: :chuckle: Mark
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Post by: catwithboost on August 04, 2009, 05:24:50 PM
Deer may be a different story all together. :chuckle: :chuckle: Mark
He is only aloud to shot the tard ones  :chuckle:
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Post by: Michelle_Nelson on August 04, 2009, 07:23:47 PM
I charge him double for sucklings with milk still on their lips.
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Post by: bearmanric on August 05, 2009, 07:27:33 AM
be careful hunting a previos baited area. game warden's are checking up this year. to much baiting going on. there making you show them were bear was killed. just saying be careful. and it is not legal to bait for trail cam's. no baiting period. Rick
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Post by: Kain on August 05, 2009, 07:42:54 AM
and it is not legal to bait for trail cam's. no baiting period. Rick

Did you hear that from an officer?

Because the wording of the RCW doesnt say anything about baiting for non hunting purposes.

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As defined in RCW 77.15.245 bait is defined as “a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.”

That is some really grey area because you can bait for deer, elk, coyote ect.   You are saying if a bear came into my deer bait I now broke the law?  They would have to prove that you were baiting specifically for bears and that you hunted for bears over it.
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Post by: bearmanric on August 05, 2009, 07:55:44 AM
yes i heard it from a game warden with the last name James on saturday as did other's on here. he would bust you. i'll leave it at that. Rick


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Post by: boneaddict on August 05, 2009, 08:02:56 AM
I think they can nail you on the Intend to hunt part.   Thats one of those grey RCWs that can be interpreted in oh so many ways.
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Post by: Kain on August 05, 2009, 08:16:39 AM
Yes definitely grey area.  I mean how can they prove that you intend to do anything?  Of course I am assuming that they still need to prove you guilty in this state.  If I had a tree stand set up over a pile of apples or mineral lick during deer season I guess I am automatically a criminal.  Does not surprise me I guess since I must be a poacher because I want to carry a handgun while bow hunting.   :dunno:  I am really starting to hate this state.  
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Post by: Michelle_Nelson on August 05, 2009, 08:32:30 AM
Yes Kain it doesn't matter if your bait was intended for Deer or anything else.You shoot a Bear over it and a Warden finds out your gonna get in trouble.
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Post by: Kain on August 05, 2009, 08:34:53 AM
Yes Kain it doesn't matter if your bait was intended for Deer or anything else.You shoot a Bear over it and a Warden finds out your gonna get in trouble.

Yes I totally agree.  The point I was making was the "intend" to hunt bear over it.  How would they prove that?  So until you actually kill one are you breaking the law or not?  Thats what I was trying to say.  Bearmanric was saying that Officer Mark James says no baiting at all even for trail cameras.
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Post by: bearmanric on August 05, 2009, 08:37:45 AM
i'm not trying to start trouble i asked i wanted to know. i'm not saying any more. Rick
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Post by: Kain on August 05, 2009, 08:43:05 AM
i'm not trying to start trouble i asked i wanted to know. i'm not saying any more. Rick

I would have asked also thanks for checking on it for us.  Sorry I thread jacked.  

LongTat,  a good friend would have shot that little bear then picked all the berries in the area and peed all over (in that order...some of you guys need to be told these things  :chuckle: ).  Then laughed at your buddies sore ass after he wasted a whole day out there on stand.   :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: catwithboost on August 05, 2009, 11:58:02 AM
We are not hunting in the area I was getting pics from.
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Post by: billythekidrock on August 05, 2009, 05:11:11 PM
Yes Kain it doesn't matter if your bait was intended for Deer or anything else.You shoot a Bear over it and a Warden finds out your gonna get in trouble.

Yes I totally agree.  The point I was making was the "intend" to hunt bear over it.  How would they prove that?  So until you actually kill one are you breaking the law or not?  Thats what I was trying to say.  Bearmanric was saying that Officer Mark James says no baiting at all even for trail cameras.

Rick is correct. You can NOT bait for trail cams, even in the off season.

This was one of two questions I asked the officer when he checked us at our rigs.

I also asked if it was legal to wear elk cover scent and call for bears and was told no. It is against the law to use "attractants".

I stopped short of asking about calls being an attractant.
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Post by: KillBilly on August 05, 2009, 05:30:48 PM
To roll it up, If you are baiting deer and elk to a trail cam, and a bear happens to come in, there is nothing you can do about that. However, If it was me, I would not show pictures of bear over a bait on trail cam on an open public forum like this one. You never know who is looking. The only way for you to prevent a bear ever coming to your deer and elk bait is to not bait at all or use a bait that a bear would not be attracted to.  It is a very tough call and even the enforcement officers admit that you can't keep a bear from coming to a legally baited deer or elk location. I suppose that self discipline is the only way to deal with it. Ignore the bears and focus on the deer and elk for your season targets.
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Post by: billythekidrock on August 05, 2009, 06:04:20 PM
Bottom line is you can not bait bears period.
If a bear is hanging around your camera you are better off moving the camera.
And you definately don't want to hunt near the area.
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Post by: stumprat on August 05, 2009, 06:12:54 PM
Elk cover scent =  attractant?????
This state is worse than I thought.
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Post by: Kain on August 05, 2009, 06:15:50 PM
Rick is correct. You can NOT bait for trail cams, even in the off season.

This was one of two questions I asked the officer when he checked us at our rigs.

I also asked if it was legal to wear elk cover scent and call for bears and was told no. It is against the law to use "attractants".

I stopped short of asking about calls being an attractant.

I am not trying to be arguementative or anything but I am wondering what you guys think about this.  Did you ask him to point to what law they are using to justify making that statement?  A blanket statement saying that baiting for trail cameras is illegal seems fishy to me.  I personally dont have any trail cams and I dont hunt over baits.  But I do really enjoy seeing all the bear pics from our trail cam forum.  I am just wondering if you guys are ok with them making something illegal that is not stated in the RCW's.  Sounds to me like they are legislating from the field.   :dunno:  The RCW is so vague and leaves so much room for interpretation but this seems a little far out there to me.

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Post by: KillBilly on August 05, 2009, 06:16:20 PM
Bottom line is you can not bait bears period.
If a bear is hanging around your camera you are better off moving the camera.
And you definately don't want to hunt near the area.

Bear hanging around a Cam is perfectly okay as long as bait is not involved. The relevant is attractant. If you are attracting a bear to a trail cam, it is not legal. If you just have a Cam hung up on a trail and get pictures of bears, no law has been violated. as stated before, if the bait you use for der and elk also attracts bears then you are liable to be cited if they catch you.   Attract/attractant/ is the key wording
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Post by: catwithboost on August 05, 2009, 06:18:42 PM
Plain and simple we are not hunting around where my cam was set up earlier. So everyone chill out!!!!
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Post by: stumprat on August 05, 2009, 06:19:05 PM
Rick is correct. You can NOT bait for trail cams, even in the off season.

This was one of two questions I asked the officer when he checked us at our rigs.

I also asked if it was legal to wear elk cover scent and call for bears and was told no. It is against the law to use "attractants".

I stopped short of asking about calls being an attractant.

I am not trying to be arguementative or anything but I am wondering what you guys think about this.  Did you ask him to point to what law they are using to justify making that statement?  A blanket statement saying that baiting for trail cameras is illegal seems fishy to me.  I personally dont have any trail cams and I dont hunt over baits.  But I do really enjoy seeing all the bear pics from our trail cam forum.  I am just wondering if you guys are ok with them making something illegal that is not stated in the RCW's.  Sounds to me like they are legislating from the field.   :dunno:  The RCW is so vague and leaves so much room for interpretation but this seems a little far out there to me.





Baiting bear is baiting bear. Purpose doesn't matter.
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Post by: billythekidrock on August 05, 2009, 06:20:27 PM
Bottom line is you can not bait bears period.
If a bear is hanging around your camera you are better off moving the camera.
And you definately don't want to hunt near the area.

Bear hanging around a Cam is perfectly okay as long as bait is not involved.

No *censored*.  :dunno: What do you think we have been talking about....bait and cams.
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Post by: KillBilly on August 05, 2009, 06:22:05 PM
Bottom line is you can not bait bears period.
If a bear is hanging around your camera you are better off moving the camera.
And you definately don't want to hunt near the area.

Bear hanging around a Cam is perfectly okay as long as bait is not involved. The relevant word is attractant. If you are attracting a bear to a trail cam, it is not legal. If you just have a Cam hung up on a trail and get pictures of bears, no law has been violated. as stated before, if the bait you use for der and elk also attracts bears then you are liable to be cited if they catch you.   Attract/attractant/ is the key wording
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Post by: Kain on August 05, 2009, 06:23:34 PM
The law doesnt say baiting bears is illegal.  It says baiting bears is illegal if you hunt or intend to hunt over it.  It also says baiting for the purpose of attracting bears is not ok.  I am being technical here but thats what laws are.  
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Post by: billythekidrock on August 05, 2009, 06:25:55 PM
Correct Adna..

Straight from 655.
"it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait."
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Post by: Kain on August 05, 2009, 06:27:04 PM
Correct Adna..

Straight from 655.
"it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait."

Now that is more exact.  What is 655?
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Post by: KillBilly on August 05, 2009, 06:27:29 PM
The law doesnt say baiting bears is illegal.  It says baiting bears is illegal if you hunt or intend to hunt over it.  It also says baiting for the purpose of attracting bears is not ok.  I am being technical here but thats what laws are.  

Doggone it Kain...if your deer or elk bait also attracts a bear to your cam, then it is illegal. A cam with no bait is fine for any animal. A cam is not considered an attractant by itself.
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Post by: stumprat on August 05, 2009, 06:29:12 PM
Correct Adna..

Straight from 655.
"it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait."

Now that is more exact.  What is 655?


Initiative 655 ended baiting, and hound hunting for bear.
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Post by: runamuk on August 05, 2009, 06:29:42 PM
Rick is correct. You can NOT bait for trail cams, even in the off season.

This was one of two questions I asked the officer when he checked us at our rigs.

I also asked if it was legal to wear elk cover scent and call for bears and was told no. It is against the law to use "attractants".

I stopped short of asking about calls being an attractant.

I am not trying to be arguementative or anything but I am wondering what you guys think about this.  Did you ask him to point to what law they are using to justify making that statement?  A blanket statement saying that baiting for trail cameras is illegal seems fishy to me.  I personally dont have any trail cams and I dont hunt over baits.  But I do really enjoy seeing all the bear pics from our trail cam forum.  I am just wondering if you guys are ok with them making something illegal that is not stated in the RCW's.  Sounds to me like they are legislating from the field.   :dunno:  The RCW is so vague and leaves so much room for interpretation but this seems a little far out there to me.





Baiting bear is baiting bear. Purpose doesn't matter.

this is how I interpret the law...and since most using trail cams are seeking game intending to hunt said game then if looking for bears NO bait would be my rule and bait is attracting a bear to a cam so again within the intent of the law if you ask me.....I do however think there is a grey area.....IF I am carrying snacks in my daypack...say fig newtons and chocolate bars   both decent snacks but also decent bait...I am hunting bears should I leave my food in my car so as not to even bring up the possibility of the food being construed as bait..... :dunno: this occurred to me a couple of times recently .....
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Post by: Kain on August 05, 2009, 06:30:01 PM
The law doesnt say baiting bears is illegal.  It says baiting bears is illegal if you hunt or intend to hunt over it.  It also says baiting for the purpose of attracting bears is not ok.  I am being technical here but thats what laws are.  

Doggone it Kain...if your deer or elk bait also attracts a bear to your cam, then it is illegal. A cam with no bait is fine for any animal. A cam is not considered an attractant by itself.

I guess if you ask questions on this site you are just asking to get killbilly ticked off at you.  Try to chill out.  I am only trying to clarify.  BTKR pointed to what I was looking for.
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Post by: billythekidrock on August 05, 2009, 06:31:50 PM
Correct Adna..

Straight from 655.
"it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait."

Now that is more exact.  What is 655?

http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/1997-98/Pdf/Bills/Session%20Law%201997/INITIATIVE%20655.SL.pdf
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Post by: Kain on August 05, 2009, 06:33:07 PM
So effectively they have made all baiting illegal in this state by interpreting the law this way.  Since bears are omnivorous they can say any bait would attract bears and thus be illegal any where there are bears.

Thanks BTKR.  I just like to see stuff in writing sorry to get anyone upset.
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Post by: billythekidrock on August 05, 2009, 06:36:35 PM
Elk cover scent =  attractant?????
This state is worse than I thought.

Unfortunately I have gotten the same answer 3 out of 5 times I have asked.  :bash:
One time I got a "your fine", and another was "it would be up to the officer".  :bash:
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Post by: stumprat on August 05, 2009, 06:37:30 PM
runamuk be careful out there with FIG NEWTONS and CHOCOLATE BARS.
You might bait me in. :chuckle:
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Post by: stumprat on August 05, 2009, 06:38:48 PM
"It would be up to the officer" is the one that always pisses me off the most :bash:
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Post by: runamuk on August 05, 2009, 06:39:29 PM
runamuk be careful out there with FIG NEWTONS and CHOCOLATE BARS.
You might bait me in. :chuckle:

 :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: billythekidrock on August 05, 2009, 06:41:33 PM
So effectively they have made all baiting illegal in this state by interpreting the law this way.  Since bears are omnivorous they can say any bait would attract bears and thus be illegal any where there are bears.

Thanks BTKR.  I just like to see stuff in writing sorry to get anyone upset.

No problems. It can get heated because everyone has their own interpretations, including F&G, and it seems like no matter how many times we mention it, someone wants to disagree or plead their case as to why they think they can break the law.

This is exactly why we need to stick together and keep the legal activities we currently have. Baiting deer for example, even just for cams. If they outlaw hunting over bait for deer then that would effectively outlaw baiting deer for cams.
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Post by: billythekidrock on August 05, 2009, 06:43:12 PM
runamuk be careful out there with FIG NEWTONS and CHOCOLATE BARS.
You might bait me in. :chuckle:

She baited me out the other night, but I didn't see no Figs or Newtons.  :yike:
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Post by: Kain on August 05, 2009, 06:45:44 PM
So effectively they have made all baiting illegal in this state by interpreting the law this way.  Since bears are omnivorous they can say any bait would attract bears and thus be illegal any where there are bears.

Thanks BTKR.  I just like to see stuff in writing sorry to get anyone upset.

No problems. It can get heated because everyone has their own interpretations, including F&G, and it seems like no matter how many times we mention it, someone wants to disagree or plead their case as to why they think they can break the law.

This is exactly why we need to stick together and keep the legal activities we currently have. Baiting deer for example, even just for cams. If they outlaw hunting over bait for deer then that would effectively outlaw baiting deer for cams.

Just to play this out isnt baiting for deer already illegal?  There is nothing you can use to bait for deer that would not possibly "attract" a black bear.  And as stated above
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it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait.
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Post by: stumprat on August 05, 2009, 06:46:05 PM
runamuk be careful out there with FIG NEWTONS and CHOCOLATE BARS.
You might bait me in. :chuckle:

She baited me out the other night, but I didn't see no Figs or Newtons.  :yike:


 :chuckle:
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Post by: runamuk on August 05, 2009, 06:48:52 PM
runamuk be careful out there with FIG NEWTONS and CHOCOLATE BARS.
You might bait me in. :chuckle:

She baited me out the other night, but I didn't see no Figs or Newtons.  :yike:

 :rolleyes:

naw I bait bear hunters with sightings of big bears ;)
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Post by: billythekidrock on August 05, 2009, 06:49:56 PM
Kain - Baiting deer is currently legal, but if guys are using it as a ruse to bait bears then you can bet it will be outlawed.

If you are legally baiting deer in an area where there are no bear, how could you possibly attract bear?


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Post by: billythekidrock on August 05, 2009, 06:57:26 PM


naw I bait bear hunters with sightings of big bears ;)

I want to meet the brainiac that told you there were bears in there. :chuckle:
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: Kain on August 05, 2009, 07:05:08 PM
Kain - Baiting deer is currently legal, but if guys are using it as a ruse to bait bears then you can bet it will be outlawed.

If you are legally baiting deer in an area where there are no bear, how could you possibly attract bear?




I am just throwing this out there for discussion.  My question is a hypothetical based on the topic we are discussing.  I am not trying to find a way around the law prohibiting baiting for bears.  I am trying to point out that the law preventing you from baiting a trail cam is the same they could use to prevent you from baiting anything that might attract a bear.  Thus making all baiting illegal in any area where there are bears.

If you are legally hunting deer over bait, and there are bears in the area, doesn't the possibility of attracting a bear make it illegal?  We all know (or should know) that shooting a bear over bait is illegal even if it was meant for something else.

You cant bait a trail cam for deer because it might attract a bear.
You cant bait for deer because it might attract a bear.

Technically there is no more chance of attracting a bear to either one.  Either one can be said to be for deer.  One is illegal and one is not?
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Post by: stumprat on August 05, 2009, 07:07:50 PM
All I can tell you is. Unfortunately in this state. It is up to the man with the ticket book. Then you have to prove your innocence.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: billythekidrock on August 05, 2009, 07:16:48 PM
I understand what you are saying and I think it is one of the variables that could get people in trouble.

Legally it is ok to bait deer. You are saying a deer bait "might" attract a bear. If no bear are attracted then you are ok. If it attracts a bear then you should probably move on.

If it were me...
For a deer cam I would stick with deer type baits...not donuts, filling, or meat.
For a bob/coug cam I would use meat or bones... not donuts, filling, etc.

If a bear came into one of the above more then a couple times then I would switch baits or pull the cams.

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Post by: Kain on August 05, 2009, 07:22:14 PM
Good advice.  I am just afraid that this is the kind of thing that can be used in the wrong way by both hunters and enforcement.  I dont like grey areas in laws.  I do not feel the law was intended to prevent you from baiting trail cameras but that is how they are using it.  I can also see where the abuse can come in on the hunter side. 
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Post by: Michelle_Nelson on August 05, 2009, 09:32:33 PM
Runamuk, I think the F&G officers expect hunters to bring some type of food with them.Either a couple snacks or a lunch.  I think if you are carrying 10lbs of steak, jelly donuts, Jam's, orJellies out in your pack they may question you.  If you are carrying a couple power bars, a sandwich, jerky, freeze dried meal, small can of fruit, apple, orange, etc, etc I don't think they would mess with you. 
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Post by: cohoho on August 05, 2009, 09:59:09 PM
I never saw deer ever on any of my old bear bait stations, ever...????  I guess deer don't like jello and marshmellows cook to a stinky mess with vanilla extract and molasses added and lots of dripping honey...  Kind of thinking about it, I never saw a deer eating any of the 500lbs of dog food and grease  mix either....      :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: coldsteel3d on August 05, 2009, 10:45:26 PM
Well............ I guess the moral of the story is don't post trail cam pics of bears with bait in the pic, and if you shoot a bear, forget where you shot it?  :dunno: Or show them the deepest, nastiest canyon in the area  :chuckle: Or don't shoot a bear where your trail cam is, and protect yourself.  :con:
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Post by: steeleywhopper on August 06, 2009, 12:25:45 AM
Good job on passing the little one, hopefully you will be rewarded with another oppertunity at a larger bear. On the other hand WDFW would probably consider you hunting near a bee's nest bait!!!!!! :chuckle: Just kidding, I had to throw that out.
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Post by: ICEMAN on August 06, 2009, 05:42:41 AM
I am so glad my trailcam is defective.
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Post by: boneaddict on August 06, 2009, 06:03:52 AM
ITs interesting that you bring up steelhead LTL because sometimes things one here sound or smell oftly fishy.   :)
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: catwithboost on August 06, 2009, 06:17:26 AM
No I am tired of your guys *censored*! I am done with this board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not hunting over bait and I do not have my cam in the woods for a week. You all need to get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: boneaddict on August 06, 2009, 06:23:54 AM
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Worried a little, or just paranoid
I would say a little edgy for sure since I didn't even know there were pics on this thread since I can't see them at work, or any posted have been removed. LOL   I was just making a general statement and teasing LTL a little.  He did the right thing by not shooting a suckling so I can't tease him about that this year.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: ICEMAN on August 06, 2009, 06:26:27 AM
Everyone chill out. Brian is a stand up guy.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: boneaddict on August 06, 2009, 06:30:12 AM
I guess I better go check the recycle bin and see what I am missing.  If I chilled anymore I wouldn't have a pulse.  In fact I need some coffee.  I'm thinking I am missing some content since I didn't know this was even about Cat. 
I do think someone should read backwoods 655 though and he may want to think about his peanut butter cams on here.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: ICEMAN on August 06, 2009, 06:32:37 AM
bone, wasn't meaning you, I was referring to the jacked portion of the thread which was inferring unscrupulous activity...
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: runamuk on August 06, 2009, 07:08:04 AM
I think the morale of the story is that you fellas absolutely LOVE to have the baiting is illegal discussion!!!

Im shocked when a fishing story doesnt bring up a big fight about baiting bears...lol

          hey, I caught a steelhead this weekend!  REALLY? WHAT DID YA USE FOR BAIT? ummm I used a sand shrimp! WELL,
          JUST REMEMBER ITS ILLEGAL TO BAIT BEARS!!!   WTF??  lol

I know we like the bait fight but good god how many times do we gotta have the same discussion? I bet BTKR and KillBilly have had to quote the bear baiting regs 600 times...lol 

Any way, I saw a small bear...no where near bait...not near a trail camera...I didnt shoot it...I maybe should have...  thats the story! ;)

dave

Well I have never hunted before so this whole bait thing is new to me...I wasn't doing it when it was legal I read the laws and interpreted them best I could....this discussion I thought was pretty darned informative other than a couple posts.......it is worth talking about before you are standing there with a dead animal and a gamey asking questions.....I prefer to not screw up because I hadn't thought to interpret something a different way.  I have all kinds of my own rules and ethics that are mine and have nothing to do with the laws....but learning the laws and how they might be interpreted is extremely important to me.....

thanks for starting this Longtat even if it got hijacked and went sideways.....
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: KillBilly on August 06, 2009, 07:47:48 AM
id shoot it, you get two tags :dunno:
He is being nice since it is my area and will be my first. If it was a 300lb bear and he let it go yes he needs to be smacked  :chuckle:

CF is everyones area... I'll go get him for ya :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: Mike450r on August 06, 2009, 09:08:41 AM
I know this thread needs to end but baiting for the sole purpose of taking pictures or viewing bears is not illegal.  Asking a F&W agent or any cop for that matter about laws only gets you the "I would or wouldn't cite you or arrest you".  I am of course only going off of the baiting for purpose of hunting RCW,  there may be something else in regards to feeding wildlife.

RCW 77.15.240 states: (d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.  The first paragraph of the RCW does say "attract", however, subsection D further clarifies that the intent to hunt is required to be in violation.  In my opinion no gray area in this RCW.

You have to intend to hunt the bear(s) that are being baited.  A photographer that does not hunt has nothing to worry about.  A hunter on the other hand would have a harder time proving beyond a reasonable doubt that s/he had no intention to hunt the bear(s). 
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: Mike450r on August 06, 2009, 09:24:10 AM
Thats awesome, I didn't see that post about pulling the cam and bait.  Must have been in the trailcam thread.   If that bear in the picture gets killed by the person that  owned the trailcam I would have to say it would be a violation of the RCW.   
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: saylean on August 06, 2009, 09:35:09 AM
6 pages on this thread and you didnt even take the shot or get good footage...

imagine if ya did! :chuckle: :chuckle:

Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: Mike450r on August 06, 2009, 09:46:58 AM
Wonder how long it will be before some post on this site is used by the AG's office as evidence.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: boneaddict on August 06, 2009, 09:48:32 AM
 :chuckle:
I'd probably suggest shooting a blonde bear in the sage brush at this point.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: Mike450r on August 06, 2009, 10:11:44 AM
No I am tired of your guys *censored*! I am done with this board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not hunting over bait and I do not have my cam in the woods for a week. You all need to get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You baited a bear to your cam then stated your intent to hunt said bear.  I haven't seen anything too brutal said about it at all.  I think people were letting you know that you probably shouldn't hunt that bear, maybe a good idea to just not hunt capitol forest at all while bear is open this year.  I would say you are fine at this point but an agent may say you are already in violation of the RCW, being out there "loaded for bear" as they say may compound things.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: Kain on August 06, 2009, 12:12:26 PM
Sounds like you and Cat were on top of things.  Sorry this thread got out of hand but I did find it educational.  BTW If I ever post anything on here that is legally questionable I would really like it if someone would point it out to me (politely if possible).  That doesnt sound like that  was the case here just a little misunderstanding.  We all try to stay within the law but they are also very confusing sometimes and not all the info you need is in the hunting regs. 

You should have shot that bear.   :chuckle:  I bet a little bear veal is sounding pretty tasty about now.  Save the second tag for a trophy.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 06, 2009, 12:46:26 PM
i read this thread and it sounds like people have the internet badges in full force over the baiting issue :bdid: way to go tat on findin a bear!!! even if you didnt shoot it. i am looking for my first this year. bought an idaho tag and a WA tag. hopefully i get a good shot at one between the two!!
TAT, keep doin what you do!!!
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: catwithboost on August 06, 2009, 12:54:39 PM


easy Miles! easy!   no one is hunting anywhere near the old cam site! You like to get people riled up on here...so do I but in a much different manner! Your not friends with catwithboost and where me and and cat both come from...calling someone a poacher is fighting words! When someone like killbilly teases him...  or BTKR, Iceman, or boneaddict teases me about killing milk suckers...theres no issue! but even calling someone thats not your buddy a poacher jokingly can cause real problems!  as iceman said, cat is a stand up guy!


You take it easy there big guy, I don't ever remember using the word "poacher".  

There's obviously some shady *censored* going down though, and that's only obvious.  When he blatantly posts, "I've found him, pulled the bait and now it's just a matter of being there at the right time"   there IS a problem.   In the end someone else will ultimately decide right from wrong...
Before the season started I was pm'd by 2 mods on this board saying that what I was doing is not legal. So I have never sat on the spot that I had my cam. Yes I was in the same part of the state. But not on the spot my cam was at. I do not have any interest in lossing my rights to hunt for a bear or any other animal. This is only my second year hunting bear and 3rd year hunting at all since I was 18yrs old and I am 38 now. I still have a lot to learn and did not now what I was doing was wrong. Then found out it was and that was the end of it. Take it how you want!!!
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: LongTatLaw on August 06, 2009, 01:02:35 PM
Bullblaster,

spend lots of time chasing em and Im sure it will work out! Doesnt take an expert to find bear in WA..I am no expert on Idaho but Im guessing its the same!

Miles, you keep your lil investigator hat on and try real hard and you let me know when you discover me doing something shady!!! GOOD LUCK!
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: Mike450r on August 06, 2009, 01:34:53 PM
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Before the season started I was pm'd by 2 mods on this board saying that what I was doing is not legal. So I have never sat on the spot that I had my cam. Yes I was in the same part of the state. But not on the spot my cam was at. I do not have any interest in lossing my rights to hunt for a bear or any other animal. This is only my second year hunting bear and 3rd year hunting at all since I was 18yrs old and I am 38 now. I still have a lot to learn and did not now what I was doing was wrong. Then found out it was and that was the end of it. Take it how you want!!!
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Thats all I needed to hear,  obviously I was not aware that you had been informed anything by PM.  Was never trying to imply anything just trying to give my opinion on that bear possibly getting you in trouble.  Trying to be helpful, guess it might not have come across that way.  Basically,  was saying if you shoot that bear and they want to make a case out of it you could be in for a long one.  Personally I wish you could blast it since you put in the work to locate it, I could care less if bait brought it into the cam and you wanted to hunt it.  But how I feel about certain laws doesn't matter to those who enforce them.  At least thats the impression I get when they throw me in the back of the car.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: LongTatLaw on August 06, 2009, 01:39:51 PM
Its all good!
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: LongTatLaw on August 06, 2009, 02:10:16 PM
LongTat loves the gamies! ;)

(http://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10191/dave_with_FWC.jpg)
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: billythekidrock on August 06, 2009, 03:59:17 PM
I know this thread needs to end but baiting for the sole purpose of taking pictures or viewing bears is not illegal.  Asking a F&W agent or any cop for that matter about laws only gets you the "I would or wouldn't cite you or arrest you".  I am of course only going off of the baiting for purpose of hunting RCW,  there may be something else in regards to feeding wildlife.

RCW 77.15.240 states: (d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.  The first paragraph of the RCW does say "attract", however, subsection D further clarifies that the intent to hunt is required to be in violation.  In my opinion no gray area in this RCW.

You have to intend to hunt the bear(s) that are being baited.  A photographer that does not hunt has nothing to worry about.  A hunter on the other hand would have a harder time proving beyond a reasonable doubt that s/he had no intention to hunt the bear(s). 

What part or "against the law" don't you understand. That is what the agent told us.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: bearmanric on August 06, 2009, 04:00:07 PM
i didnt want this to go were it did. alot of shady stuff going on in capital forest. gamies no whats happening. didnt want people in trouble here.Rick
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: tlbradford on August 06, 2009, 04:05:34 PM
LongTat loves the gamies! ;)

(http://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10191/dave_with_FWC.jpg)

Right after this picture the music started and Longtat received his strip-o-gram.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: billythekidrock on August 06, 2009, 04:10:02 PM
All right...looks like we got it settled down a bit. Let's get this thread back on topic and if you want to continue a baiting debate you can start a new thread.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: Kain on August 06, 2009, 04:11:47 PM
strip-o-gram!!!   :chuckle: :chuckle:  That's funny.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: LongTatLaw on August 06, 2009, 04:16:02 PM
BTKR,

You can lock it I guess??? :dunno:

No new info coming on here! If I see it again Ill be tagging it!
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: tlbradford on August 06, 2009, 04:17:58 PM
I always tease my law enforcement and firefighting buddies about using their uni's for after hour side jobs.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: pat2bear on August 06, 2009, 04:27:47 PM
So if I tied Timothy Treadwell to a tree in the woods and shot a bear..... just kidding.  :chuckle: I'm fairly new to the site and love reading all the stories like LongTats and looking at the trail cam pics. But really get turned off on the whole "gotcha" mentality I see sometimes. Its like watching politicians on capitol hill. But overall I really like the forum. Don't give up LongTat. Sounds like your working hard and I hope it pays off for you.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: Austrian Hunter on August 06, 2009, 05:28:03 PM


Miles, you keep your lil investigator hat on and try real hard and you let me know when you discover me doing something shady!!! GOOD LUCK!

Will do. :rolleyes:  All I'm saying is with his previous post, it shows intent.  Care to argue that??  Regardless of where you guys are hunting, I'd exercise a little caution. ;)

Miles,
You need to stop putting damn viruses on this website!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: ICEMAN on August 06, 2009, 08:30:40 PM
So if I tied Timothy Treadwell to a tree in the woods and shot a bear..... just kidding.  :chuckle: I'm fairly new to the site and love reading all the stories like LongTats and looking at the trail cam pics. But really get turned off on the whole "gotcha" mentality I see sometimes. Its like watching politicians on capitol hill. But overall I really like the forum. Don't give up LongTat. Sounds like your working hard and I hope it pays off for you.

pat2bear. Many of us on this site have already met, gone on fishing trips, gone on rescue missions for other members stuck in the snowy woods, had Barbque together, raised money for good causes together, sent care packages overseas for fellow members. We all try to follow all the rules. This is what we do.

You have chosen a great forum to enjoy. I love it here. I love the good fellowship it provides. A few little battles like this are to be expected. Hopefully we all learn to slow down a little, and have a bit more faith in fellow members. I know longtat and Catwboost will succeed.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: bearmanric on August 06, 2009, 08:34:18 PM
they will do fine. LongTatLaw is a great hunter hard hunter. cat will learn alot from him. good luck guy's. Rick
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: KillBilly on August 08, 2009, 10:53:46 AM
Here's a good one for ya... Brian PM'd me and stated that our friendship was ended because I did not jump in here and take his side.
WOW, that makes me wonder if we ever true friends in his mind.
I did take the time to explain that this was a topic on LTL (not about Brian) but his own words and actions in several places on this site are what caused the suspicions in other peoples minds. Those same words and actions may have caused doubts in my mind also. I chose to keep my opinions to myself to save him any further grief. It really paid off, now we are not friends and I am really suspicious of his motives.

Good rule that I forgot to follow...keep your friends close and your enemies closer....
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: stumprat on August 08, 2009, 10:58:51 AM
Here's a good one for ya... Brian PM'd me and stated that our friendship was ended because I did not jump in here and take his side.
WOW, that makes me wonder if we ever true friends in his mind.
I did take the time to explain that this was a tpoic on LTL (not about Brian) but his own words and actions in several places on this site are what caused the suspicions in other peoples minds. Those same words and actions may have caused doubts in my mind also. I chose to keep my opinions to myself to save him any further grief. It really paid off, now we are not friends and I am really suspicious of his motives.

Good rule that I forgot to follow...keep your friemds close and your enemies closer....

Wow!
Too bad some guys wear thier heart on thier sleeve. When this topic initially got off track. It wasn't an attack. More of a discussion about the clarification of the law.

I also find it pretty strange that a friendship would hinge on a website forum.

Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: littlebuf on August 08, 2009, 11:28:01 AM
its funny this thread went the baiting route when theirs another one on here that i was sure would have a baiting comment on it and never did.....yet i guess
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: billythekidrock on August 08, 2009, 03:01:58 PM
its funny this thread went the baiting route when theirs another one on here that i was sure would have a baiting comment on it and never did.....yet i guess

Ya know, I think I know which one you are talking about and I had the same exact thoughts. I really thought the other one would ignite first.
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: jackelope on August 09, 2009, 07:59:31 AM
of the 1 or 2 hundred other threads on here a lot of different folks  have posted pics of baited bears with peanut butter, blocks, apples, etc why is it that this one got ripped on?

childish pissing match to me it seems.

sorry it had to happen, LTL.

a while back i started a thread asking about pulling baits. it's interesting it only got 5 or 6 replies or so.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,30749.msg362652.html#msg362652
that leads me to assume that a lot of folks baiting cameras that didn't speak up about it don't want to talk about it....why??
Title: Re: LongTat did what????????????
Post by: Ray on August 09, 2009, 08:42:18 AM
Let's move on.
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