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Title: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: hunter93 on June 10, 2011, 10:42:10 AM
hey evryone i am going to get one of these rifles, in a savage 200 i belive, so i was wondering what caliber do you think would be better all around for deer elk bear, and coyote thanks.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: Buckmark on June 10, 2011, 10:46:12 AM
Browning A-bolt in 7mm mag....
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Use the search feature, this subject has been debated on here more than what truck should i buy... :chuckle:
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: str8meat on June 10, 2011, 10:51:20 AM
30 06 hands down. heavy bullets for bear are crucial.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: KillBilly on June 10, 2011, 10:59:25 AM
BTKR has killed all his bears with a .270, even the sleeping one... :chuckle:.
A .270 has plenty of kill power and of course shot placement is important with any caliber.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2011, 11:19:56 AM
They're practically the same and there really is no right answer to your question. I like them both and I have one of each. I don't think the heavier bullets argument holds much water anymore, now that we have so many premium bullets available, such as the Barnes. I don't know what to tell you- just flip a coin I guess.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: mebco09 on June 10, 2011, 11:25:05 AM
.30-06.  only because there is a larger variety of factory loads and bullet weights.  Anything from 55 grain accelerators to 220 grain is available in .30-06.  BUT you won't go wrong with either caliber.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: GoldTip on June 10, 2011, 11:36:20 AM
For me there is truly no debate, 30-06 hands down.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 10, 2011, 11:50:52 AM
.30-06 for me because I don't have a .270. I want one!  :'(
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: RAMSFAN on June 10, 2011, 11:53:23 AM
I've got a 270 win. and love it. Shot my brothers 30-06 and for some reason I just like the feel of the 270 better. It's a great all around gun for many types of game
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on June 10, 2011, 12:08:01 PM
Which one is all-time most popular with hunters around the world?

30-06.

That said, the 270win is a great cartridge and capable of near what the 30-06 can do.

-Steve
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: addicted on June 10, 2011, 12:12:22 PM
3006 for the big game. wider range of bullets.  then i would buy a 243 barrel for coyotes and letting the kids when the primary big game season is over.   

thats the beauty of the stevens. you can order up barrels for pretty cheap for them in different calibers and change them yourself.  google shilen barrels and check out savageshooters.com  we have to stevens in the family. they shoot pretty good. 7mm08 and a 308.

a 270 can do everything you want to do, its all about where you put the bullet from .223 to 375HH.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: alecvg on June 10, 2011, 12:14:29 PM
30/06.  Wider range of bullets.  Perfect all-purpose imo.  And for bear, a .270 will deffinatly do the job, I have seen plenty killed with it, but a .30?06 puts them down faster, and less chance of loosing one.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: shorthair-on-point on June 10, 2011, 12:19:42 PM
I vote 30-06
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 10, 2011, 12:21:12 PM
.270 for this guy .. killed many bear and never had any trouble droppin a few .. 140 gr. hornaday ..dont matter if I can see him he is dead ... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: h20hunter on June 10, 2011, 12:22:26 PM
Carefull.......just like a Chevy vs. Ford debate...could get ugly.

No way to pick a winner in my opinion. Both proven, available, verstile, you name it.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: Buckmark on June 10, 2011, 12:23:07 PM
30/06.  Wider range of bullets.  Perfect all-purpose imo.  And for bear, a .270 will deffinatly do the job, I have seen plenty killed with it, but a .30?06 puts them down faster, and less chance of loosing one.
"Puts them down faster", really, i mean really......
From the Sierra reloading manual....."To try to compare the .270 with the .30-06 is a fruitless venture. Both have recieved many credits from countless shooters". I have both and it's a flip of the coin of which I'll use on any given day.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2011, 12:25:23 PM
The only real difference I see between the two, is with recoil. With the 270 you can use 130 grain bullets. 30-06, the lightest practical weight is 150. So you're going to have less recoil with the 270, if that matters. I don't believe there is any practical difference in killing ability between the two.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: MikeWalking on June 10, 2011, 12:41:54 PM
.270 is a great round, got one in a Mauser action.

But, I think the 30-06 is a round every shooter should own though, at least at some point in your shooting days,  like a .22, 30-30 and 12GA.   The 30-06 has some real history behind it.. :twocents:   Got a Model of 1917 Winchester, WWI era in 30-06 looking back at me right now...
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 10, 2011, 12:45:18 PM
The only real difference I see between the two, is with recoil. With the 270 you can use 130 grain bullets. 30-06, the lightest practical weight is 150. So you're going to have less recoil with the 270, if that matters. I don't believe there is any practical difference in killing ability between the two.
ya your right bobcat but I swear by the hornaday 140 gr bullet out of the .270 ... 130 of course was made for it but I have dropped a few animals from all different rangers with this bullet and I am telling you their is a huge difference and without bragging I  ask you to please try them and see what i am saying ... peace brother !!  how far do you think it might be if you had a .270 zeroed in at 1 1/4 in. at 100yrds from center of bulleye and had a bear on Washington pass and you hold over his back by putting the hair line of his back at the very bottom of the scope and squeeze the trigger and the gun goes bang and after what seems to be minutes after the report the bear rolls down the mountain ....luck or serious killing power .. not being a smart a$$ but definately true !!plus a complete pass threw taking out one shoulder and coming out behind the other ....
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 10, 2011, 12:48:29 PM
30/06.  Wider range of bullets.  Perfect all-purpose imo.  And for bear, a .270 will deffinatly do the job, I have seen plenty killed with it, but a .30?06 puts them down faster, and less chance of loosing one.
"Puts them down faster", really, i mean really......
From the Sierra reloading manual....."To try to compare the .270 with the .30-06 is a fruitless venture. Both have recieved many credits from countless shooters". I have both and it's a flip of the coin of which I'll use on any given day.
buckmark ...have you ever tried a hornaday 140 boattail out of your .270 ? I agree about opinion but to me its fact ... just please try it and shoot that bear deadcenter threw the shoulders and watch what happens next ...thats all ... just friendly conversion ... :chuckle:
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 10, 2011, 01:03:23 PM
.270 is a great round, got one in a Mauser action.

But, I think the 30-06 is a round every shooter should own though, at least at some point in your shooting days,  like a .22, 30-30 and 12GA.   The 30-06 has some real history behind it.. :twocents:   Got a Model of 1917 Winchester, WWI era in 30-06 looking back at me right now...
hahaha ya i guess but a 30-06 is so over rated it bugs me..... maybe because I am a fan of smaller calipers ... I love taking animals out with smaller calipers and at longer ranges...if everyone would just please load up some hornaday 140 gr boattails and use imr 4831 and shot that thing in at 1 1/4 high at 100 yrds and anything within 300yrds put it dead center on the shoulder deer bear or whatever and SQUEEZE the trigger and please let me know if the shot was true and what happened to the victum....please give it a try so I can shut up !!! now I am being friendly so please do not get in a pi$$ing match over anything ... just opinion and logic ... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: Buckmark on June 10, 2011, 01:10:26 PM
30/06.  Wider range of bullets.  Perfect all-purpose imo.  And for bear, a .270 will deffinatly do the job, I have seen plenty killed with it, but a .30?06 puts them down faster, and less chance of loosing one.
"Puts them down faster", really, i mean really......
From the Sierra reloading manual....."To try to compare the .270 with the .30-06 is a fruitless venture. Both have recieved many credits from countless shooters". I have both and it's a flip of the coin of which I'll use on any given day.
buckmark ...have you ever tried a hornaday 140 boattail out of your .270 ? I agree about opinion but to me its fact ... just please try it and shoot that bear deadcenter threw the shoulders and watch what happens next ...thats all ... just friendly conversion ... :chuckle:
??? is it the 140gr hornady that kills the bear or the rifle?? I have not tried a 140 out of my .270, the only .270 i own is a weatherby (different subject), but i have shoot alot of animals with a model 70 in 30/06, Bar 30/06, a-bolt 7mm mag, Bar 300mag, and even a few deer with my little old Rem .244, and quite a few others, cant say anyone put them down faster than the other.....Should get a .50bmg, then they would just faint at the site of it... :chuckle:, just freindly conversation....
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: Bob33 on June 10, 2011, 01:13:11 PM
A .277 140 grain bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2950 ft/second and a ballistic coefficient of .495 (Hornady .277 140 grain SST) sighted in 1.25" high at 100 yards is approximately 7" below line of sight at 300 yards.

A .308 caliber (i.e. 30-06) 165 grain bullet with a similar ballistic coefficient, a muzzle velocity of 2800 ft/second and also sighted in 1.25" high at 100 yards is approximately 9" low at 300 yards.

To each his own.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: MikeWalking on June 10, 2011, 01:15:14 PM
Hey any caliber that's 105 years old can't help but be over rated a bit :chuckle:

Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 10, 2011, 01:42:14 PM
hey no problem ...I always seem to get involved in this subject ..someday I will learn .......hell in all respect it is a 30-06 necked down to .277 so maybe I am over the edge , :tup: then it is definately the bullet ....
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: C-Money on June 10, 2011, 02:24:10 PM
Hard choice. Both are time proven cartridges. Read some reloading manuals, or read a few articals on each. Either way, you are a winner!
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: sakoshooter on June 11, 2011, 10:27:19 PM
I've got one of each and really love em both.
They're almost ballistically twins for mid weight bullets.
Because you said elk, I'd recommend the 06 but only because it'll shoot heavier bullets than the 270. Either way, I'd recommend a load incorporating one of the super premium bullets available today.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: addicted on June 11, 2011, 11:18:49 PM
once again the obvious winning answer is to buy one of each. doi
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: MikeWalking on June 12, 2011, 08:37:57 AM
once again the obvious winning answer is to buy one of each. doi

Should'a been the first reply :chuckle:
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 12, 2011, 08:53:13 AM
My record on Elk is 21 Shot at, 20 Killed.  I used a .270 one time.  Guess what I was using on the one I lost ?  Hit 4 times still got away.  Bullet Diameter is important on elk - which is why the .338 is better than the .300.  I've used both a lot and the elk get stopped quicker with the .338. 

I know people who love the .270 because they can blast in the shoulder and not ruing too much meat.  If you use one adopt that strategy.  I'd step up to an elk rifle if hunting elk.  The .270 can be used for elk but it is Not an elk rifle.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 12, 2011, 09:23:21 AM
My record on Elk is 21 Shot at, 20 Killed.  I used a .270 one time.  Guess what I was using on the one I lost ?  Hit 4 times still got away.  Bullet Diameter is important on elk - which is why the .338 is better than the .300.  I've used both a lot and the elk get stopped quicker with the .338. 

I know people who love the .270 because they can blast in the shoulder and not ruing too much meat.  If you use one adopt that strategy.  I'd step up to an elk rifle if hunting elk.  The .270 can be used for elk but it is Not an elk rifle.
i guess this could go on for ever .. but I must say I have killed over 20 bear with a .270 and 3 elk and only remember shooting one bear twice .. now like we said earlier a .270 is actually a 30-06 necked down to .277 which makes it a .270 .. so I will say it is bullet choice and shot placement is why you had a bad experience..guys shooting hollow points on big is bogus ..not say you used a hollow pt but hitting bones on heavier boned game animals takes realable ammo like a hornaday bullet ... I have not heard one person on hear tell me they have used a 140 gr hornaday out of there .270 and killed anything with it but me .. so all I am saying in my defense is please go buy some and shoot something ... please so someone will believe me .. I will drop any animal in Washington with a 270 .. and quickly...and another thing I will say is every bear I usually kill is over 200 yrds because where I hunt their is no way to get closer ... brush holes from hell !!!!wetside !!
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: hoyt2002 on June 12, 2011, 10:09:55 AM
There both ok rounds but there are better out there. 06/270 same thing guys. 
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: C-Money on June 12, 2011, 06:40:21 PM
My record on Elk is 21 Shot at, 20 Killed.  I used a .270 one time.  Guess what I was using on the one I lost ?  Hit 4 times still got away.  Bullet Diameter is important on elk - which is why the .338 is better than the .300.  I've used both a lot and the elk get stopped quicker with the .338. 

I know people who love the .270 because they can blast in the shoulder and not ruing too much meat.  If you use one adopt that strategy.  I'd step up to an elk rifle if hunting elk.  The .270 can be used for elk but it is Not an elk rifle.
i guess this could go on for ever .. but I must say I have killed over 20 bear with a .270 and 3 elk and only remember shooting one bear twice .. now like we said earlier a .270 is actually a 30-06 necked down to .277 which makes it a .270 .. so I will say it is bullet choice and shot placement is why you had a bad experience..guys shooting hollow points on big is bogus ..not say you used a hollow pt but hitting bones on heavier boned game animals takes realable ammo like a hornaday bullet ... I have not heard one person on hear tell me they have used a 140 gr hornaday out of there .270 and killed anything with it but me .. so all I am saying in my defense is please go buy some and shoot something ... please so someone will believe me .. I will drop any animal in Washington with a 270 .. and quickly...and another thing I will say is every bear I usually kill is over 200 yrds because where I hunt their is no way to get closer ... brush holes from hell !!!!wetside !!

I shoot a .270win with 140 Accubonds, many one shot deer kills. Our elk camp has a few .270 shooters, and they are successful. I have been with two different friends who have killed elk with a .270, a spike and a 7x7. The elk did not argue that they wanted a .338 pill, they just died.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: GlennGTR on June 12, 2011, 06:48:58 PM
The 270 is more than adequate for elk, having killed 9 with a 270 myself. Good bullets, good shot placement will always get the job done. I have killed more than a few elk with a long bow and cedar arrows in my youth. It is absolutely assinine to think a 270 is not an elk cartridge. Other than that, I am going back to snoring because this kind of conversation can get boring real quick.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: DoubleJ on June 12, 2011, 06:52:31 PM
Have to put in my  :twocents: here without reading the thread.  Have you considered a .308?  Basically the same as a 30-06 but, since your considering the Savage 200 (I have one, it's my only rifle), you can do what I have done.  Buy the Savage 200 in .308.  Then buy a .243 barrel and a .338 Federal barrel.  Barrels go for anywhere from $50-$100 each and are easily swapable, once you know how.  I ended up with 3 rifles for $540.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: GlennGTR on June 12, 2011, 06:53:16 PM
The only real difference I see between the two, is with recoil. With the 270 you can use 130 grain bullets. 30-06, the lightest practical weight is 150. So you're going to have less recoil with the 270, if that matters. I don't believe there is any practical difference in killing ability between the two.

What about the .308 cal Barnes in 130 or 140 grain weights?
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: bobcat on June 12, 2011, 06:57:04 PM
The only real difference I see between the two, is with recoil. With the 270 you can use 130 grain bullets. 30-06, the lightest practical weight is 150. So you're going to have less recoil with the 270, if that matters. I don't believe there is any practical difference in killing ability between the two.

What about the .308 cal Barnes in 130 or 140 grain weights?

I just don't like anything less than 150 grains in 308 caliber. Not saying it wouldn't work. But then in that case you could also go to a 110 grain Barnes in the 270.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: hunter93 on June 13, 2011, 10:05:42 AM
ok thanks for the help guys, and no i havent really considered the 308. but i think i am going to go with the .270 because i have been shooting my pops 30-06 lattly and the recoil dosnt bother me, but it is just an uncomfterable caliber ofr me for some reason, thanks for all the help
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: DoubleJ on June 13, 2011, 10:14:38 AM
Just FYI, the .270 will go to a 30-06, 25-06, and a .338-06 A-Square with just a barrel change as well.  .270 for deer, .338-06 A-Square for elk, and .25-06 for coyotes.
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: Bob33 on June 13, 2011, 10:16:16 AM
(1) Find a gun you like. (2) Find some ammunition that your gun likes. (3) Practice. (4) Go hunting. (5) Enjoy the steaks!
Title: Re: .270 win VS 30-06
Post by: rebal69972 on June 13, 2011, 10:56:28 AM
get with some Buddy's and go shooting find the one you like and that likes you. to ask witch is better is all personal opinion. and everyone has one and they all stink. :twocents:
 i love my 30 06 my dad 308 my brother 7mm grandpa 243 and my uncle 270 this question comes up around our campfire...... well there goes $200 in ammo :bash: :bash: :bash:
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