Hunting Washington Forum

In my mind it really does not matter if you are using a rangefinder that provides ballistics. I use MOA and it works for me. I can convert the MOA numbers pretty quickly and have no issues.

I think Mil's is technically fewer "clicks" as .1 mil is .36 or whatever inches at 100 and most scopes are 1/4 moa so about .25 inches at 100 so when you dial out you spin the turret a little less.

I think you pick a system and learn it as they both can be effective.

I still shoot MOA but it seems like mils are gaining more and more popularity in the long range hunting world. Supposedly it is a more intuitive system I just haven't taken the time to learn it

Quote from: bigtex on December 11, 2025, 07:22:03 PM

Quote from: bbarnes on December 10, 2025, 08:47:22 PM

The problem is all the poaching goes on after dark, especially in big timber company‘s property that is gated the night shift comes in after everybody leaves during the day they hunt all night long with spotlights. There’s no law-enforcement until the daytime when they’re really only concerned about trespass violations.

Sorry but saying wardens don't work nights on timberland is just factually false.

In fact, many of these areas preclude night time use, which would be punishable as a trespass charge.

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There are certain groups where spotlighting isn't illegal or at least definitely not enforceable by WDFW.Its poaching in my book .

That's another rabbit hole we shouldn't be going down in this thread.

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Then lets go ahead and outlaw all trail cameras.  Lets outlaw range finders, I mean you should learn how to judge distance.  Lets go ahead and do away with scopes, you need to learn how to get close enough to where you don't need a scope.  There are so many things we all use now that have vastly more impact on hunting and harvest numbers than cellular trail cameras.  But I was disappointed they were banning them, but had accepted the fact.  Until I watched the IDFG Commissioner's meeting and found out 75% of the respondents to their survey did NOT want the prohibition, but they decided to basically say FU.  If that is the case then why go through the whole survey questions to give the illusion you give a flying F about what sportsmen actually want.

  Modern smokeless powder, primers, jacketed bullets, and barrels with rifling are advancements that have really made hunters more effective, banning those most effective modern advancements would save more wildlife! It's pretty obvious the commissioner's minds were made up, public input was only taken because its required to be taken. Legislators are elected by the citizens, I think there's a better chance of convincing them to not approve the ban. Like you, it's not a big deal to me, but more importantly public input was completely ignored. THAT'S NOT RIGHT