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How do you deal with elk - crop damage conflicts?

Elk population needs to be reduced in farmed areas?
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Farmers need to take ownership of land and maintain elk proof fence?
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WDFW needs to pay for farmers damage?
10 (11.2%)
Other Ideas?
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Offline Practical Approach

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Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« on: February 25, 2013, 10:59:08 AM »
http://www.goskagit.com/all_access/herds-of-trouble/article_9b37c4fb-67e0-5205-811e-d5d1b00ab368.html


There is a growing concern for elk damage in the Skagit Valley.  As the population rebuilds in the core areas of the historical habitat, elk naturally spill over into the Skagit Valley.  Historically, elk have ranged in this area and the Valley was once a wintering area for elk and to some extent still is during harsh winters.  However, there are now resident elk that probably don't migrate in and out of the Valley.  How, do you increase what was a depressed population while managing for elk damage.  Any ideas. 


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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2013, 11:09:44 AM »
Farmers should take ownership of their lands period, exclamation point, exclamation point

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2013, 11:12:52 AM »
farmers need to keep wolves on their property  :chuckle:
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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2013, 11:34:47 AM »
1000 elk, I think they under estimated the whole Nooksak herd size myself.

It is a daily gauntlet driving HWY 20, I cant count the near misses I have had.

They need to start culling the valley dewelling herd down a bit, seeing up to 150+ elk year around down low is crazy.  :twocents:

Master hunter program along with draw tags just isn't cutting it!  :twocents:
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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2013, 11:40:52 AM »
It's an interesting one to say the least. When there was a general muzzleloader season it kept them somewhat contained, if you were to move the border a little north it may help. A well defined border and enforcement would be a big issue with this idea.
The #of mini farms and cultivated land in the river bottom has also experienced a boom. Combine this with the fact that sierra Pacific has a largely monoculture tree farm (not criticizing ). The grass is greener on the other side so to speak.
Now to the more controversial side of things, the archers and master Hunters.  When it switched from muzzy to archery you lose most if the effectiveness. Although I don't question the effectiveness of an archer or his equipment,i think a seal bomb has a greater hazing effect and the overall kill #s were not substantial.
 The master hunter program is ineffective to say the least. I think it's the worst approach that the wdfw has taken. It's a joke when you consider all the paperwork and man hours put into such a limited pool of Hunters. The elk will be in the "killing fields" sometimes days before there is the coordination to get one on the ground. I also question the timing of when the majority of their harvest occurs. I know the muzzy season ran late but harvest was more spread out during a long season. I could go on and on.

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2013, 12:02:18 PM »
Looks like their gonna give out 20 Cow Tags in the 4941 area which probably means the Indians will also get 20 tags also. If everybody behaves themselves  :rolleyes: maybe they will give out more in the future who knows. But personally I think with it being pretty much all private its gonna turn into another Cluster@$&#. :bash:

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2013, 12:06:34 PM »
yeah transplant them to the saint helens area after they kill all the elk with hoof rot, no point in just killn them or open up alot of youth tags for that area  :tup:
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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2013, 12:18:05 PM »
Corall those that go onto the farm land and load them into a trailer and locate them north east of Mt. Baker or down towards Duvall, etc.  They could start a heard north of Winthrop as well instead of shooting them all.  :dunno:
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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2013, 12:24:55 PM »
Here's the problem:

Yummy thick green grass in the valley vs brown, dry mountains filled with bears and cougars:


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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2013, 12:37:34 PM »
I think its an issue of differing opinions. In that area you have some people that Are pro hunting and either will allow permission, or you have those that view them as thier pets and want no harm done. Many hobby farm owners do not see the cause and effect of allowing, or not, hunting. I  Like h2ofowler's idea of capturing and moving some to start an new area with some herds.
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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2013, 12:58:11 PM »
Like it or not the Tribes pretty much controls what goes on with this Herd. They want to increase the Nooksack Herd to about 1,900 or so. I don't see any kind of relocation happening besides no money in the budget.

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2013, 01:49:49 PM »
If it is a tribe issue, then there is little you or I will do to change it.

I would like to know what this means...

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2013, 01:58:44 PM »
Looks like their gonna give out 20 Cow Tags in the 4941 area which probably means the Indians will also get 20 tags also. If everybody behaves themselves  :rolleyes: maybe they will give out more in the future who knows. But personally I think with it being pretty much all private its gonna turn into another Cluster@$&#. :bash:
Would this not conflict the wdfw's stance. Would it not fall under their jurisdiction and be a violation of Chambers.

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2013, 02:05:57 PM »
If it is a tribe issue, then there is little you or I will do to change it.

I would like to know what this means...

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Farmers should take ownership of their lands period, exclamation point, exclamation point

I guess that there is 2 ways to look at it.  Does the state want to use private property for elk wintering grounds and compensate the farmer for their land use, or is the state just paying for crop damage due to the land being over it's carrying capacity?  I agree with the first but not the 2nd. 

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2013, 02:09:20 PM »
 
Corall those that go onto the farm land and load them into a trailer and locate them north east of Mt. Baker or down towards Duvall, etc.  They could start a heard north of Winthrop as well instead of shooting them all.  :dunno:
This sounds good in theory but if you have ever been involved in a relocation or even an augmentation you would realize that this is probably not a viable option. (especially at this time).
I can see where the farmer is coming from when he says it's a private hunting club, but there aren't too many options when you are dealing with 100%private land. A large scale kill would be a temporary fix at best, same with a move.

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2013, 02:11:44 PM »
Why is this the farmerís responsibility?  They are just trying to eek out a living on the land.  They didnít ask for the elk to be there and they are not allowed to protect their property from them.  Fences cost money and make it harder to work the land. 

If the state and the tribes want more elk then they need to pick up the tab for the damage that those animals cause.


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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2013, 02:27:30 PM »
If it is a tribe issue, then there is little you or I will do to change it.

I would like to know what this means...

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Farmers should take ownership of their lands period, exclamation point, exclamation point

I guess that there is 2 ways to look at it.  Does the state want to use private property for elk wintering grounds and compensate the farmer for their land use, or is the state just paying for crop damage due to the land being over it's carrying capacity?  I agree with the first but not the 2nd.
This is somewhat of a loaded question. Are the land owners doing everything possible and allowingthe powers that be free reign to remedy the problem? I know I wouldn't, therefore I would have to take a good portion of the ownership of the situation.
I don't think we are beyond carrying capacity by any means, the grass is just greener.

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2013, 04:03:16 PM »
Feeding Station  :dunno:

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2013, 04:32:21 PM »
Why is this the farmerís responsibility?  They are just trying to eek out a living on the land.  They didnít ask for the elk to be there and they are not allowed to protect their property from them.  Fences cost money and make it harder to work the land. 

If the state and the tribes want more elk then they need to pick up the tab for the damage that those animals cause.

Im not agreeing that it's the just farmers problem, but its along the same lines as berry farmers.  Birds are a major pain to raspberry, grape, even corn farmers, and they have come up with solutions, like LP cannons. Maybe theres a good solution out there no one has thought of yet because there too busy trying to get someone else to deal with the issue. 

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2013, 04:35:25 PM »
I have no comment OTHER THAN THEY PEES ME OFF !! But nothen new about that  :yeah: My tag is good for anywhere .....OUPS  :sry:  :dunno: :chuckle:
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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2013, 05:03:41 PM »
If the Farmer feeds them, then the Farmer should be able to EAT them..

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2013, 05:15:59 PM »
Why is this the farmerís responsibility?  They are just trying to eek out a living on the land.  They didnít ask for the elk to be there and they are not allowed to protect their property from them.  Fences cost money and make it harder to work the land. 

If the state and the tribes want more elk then they need to pick up the tab for the damage that those animals cause.

Im not agreeing that it's the just farmers problem, but its along the same lines as berry farmers.  Birds are a major pain to raspberry, grape, even corn farmers, and they have come up with solutions, like LP cannons. Maybe theres a good solution out there no one has thought of yet because there too busy trying to get someone else to deal with the issue.
Not to thread jack but are berry farmers compensated?

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2013, 09:43:50 AM »
i work with one of the tribes wildlife department and we are working up there now to get a better population estimate and get some collars on some elk up there to figure out theyre ranges..

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2013, 09:46:39 AM »
i work with one of the tribes wildlife department and we are working up there now to get a better population estimate and get some collars on some elk up there to figure out theyre ranges..

Well if you tag the ones on HWY 20 they wont be hard to find, in the fileds or timber next to fields. :chuckle:
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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2013, 09:51:42 AM »
I looked at 3 different herds up there this last weekend.  There are a number of cows already collared and ear tagged.

 



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